Thread 40979868

God is infinite love, infinite goodness. God is inifinite just. He is justice itself. Therefore the innocent are spared and the evil are punished. Makes sense. Then we get to Jesus, God Himself, Justice incarnate. He comes to Earth without original sin and is perfectly moral in every sense of the word. However, instead of being spared, Jesus, deserving not even a mosquito bite, is beaten, tortured, and hung up on a cross by fellow humans. This is the most profound event in history because it is the untimate act of love, God sacrificing Himself made human, still perfect, for our sins, for our fuck ups.
But my question is this? Why are babies and children beaten and killed? Why do children get cancer and die in accidents? They are innocent, and even their sins are too small to deserve their life ending. Is it simply because they were born with the capacity to sin that they can be taken by God at any time? The inverse also. Why do evil scummy people live long healthy lives? Why do so many get away with sin and crime and degeneracy? Why doesn’t lightning strike prisons as often if God is infinitely just?

bro, just look at the language you're using.
infinite love, infinite goodness, infinitely just.
what does any of that even mean? and don't give me some crap. if you really could answer that question, well then there's your answer right there, innit.

>>40979886
His love, or wishing the absolute best and most happiness, for human beings is infinite, which means it knows no boundries at all. That’s why people will tell you God still loved Hitler in his bunker as they invaded Berlin.

>>40979868 (OP)
>This is the most profound event in history
Nope. Not even close.

Start here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1m0ytpq/attention_at_least_one_rapture_has_already/

Then read this comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1m0ytpq/attention_at_least_one_rapture_has_already/n5vpisj/

>>40979964
if you know definitevely where the real earth is why not show it retard

>>40979868 (OP)
Open your eyes. This world is exactly how an all powerful, all knowing God would want it. Things suffer and die because God wants them to suffer or die, it would be trivial for it not to be the case with an all knowing, all powerful God at the helm. Either God isn't all knowing and all powerful, so why call it God? Or God isn't all loving and is all knowing and all powerful and that explains the state of the world. God is obviously as evil as he is good (he created and then separated things into what is good an evil in the first place). The Christian propaganda of an all loving God fails under even a little bit of objective inspection into that claim, he is a monster and he created monsters in its image. The world is a reflection of God in all its aspects, good and evil and unfortunately there is more evil than good in this world and thus God is largely an evil being.

>Inb4 some fall copium
God knew the choices Adam would make before he created him. He could have easily endowed him qualities that would have no resulted in him cucking out for his woman - there are people alive today who would have told Eve to go fuck herself. Your God wanted this or he isn't all knowing. Pick.

>>40979868 (OP)
Your whole post can be shortened to the same overplayed question asked time and time again:
"If God is good, how can God allow evil to thrive and be perpetuated?"

A few possible reasons:
1. Free will - a lot of that shit is caused by us against us, God merely allows us to use the freedom we were given, it's our deeds that directly or indirectly harm us.
2. We live in a world of dualities - for good to be there and meaningful, there has to be some contrast by its absence
3. If our lives are merely small part of our existence, then so are evils we experience. Maybe later on there's no such and
4. We live to progress and develop. The single most effective way of development is adapting, enduring and overcoming adversity. Be it directly affecting us in our lives or being the grim setting we are to strive to both improve and elevate ourselves above of

>>40980137
>Free will
Never once mentioned in the Bible as a thing cares about. He violated free will time and time again, just to prove points or for the lulz. Also free will breaks down as soon as God is all knowing. You cannot know every single thought and actions something will have/take and then say that thing is free to choose, an all knowing creator programs robots, he does not create free beings.
> We live in a world of dualities
This is a choice God made, he wanted those dualities or he wouldn't have put them in place. If God is all good and can only create good then dualities don't exist, everything, including child rape, genocide and murder, is good.
>Maybe later there is no such etc
No one can prove that from here.
>We live to develop etc
A conscious choice by God to cause suffering and evil it is then. He could have easily made us the finished article at 0 effort on his part. This world and the beings in it are exactly how he wanted it. At last, an honest Christian (i take it?).

>>40979912

I don't believe....

look around you...

>>40979868 (OP)
His mercy balances out his justice and vice versa. It is not that they are not infinite, it is by their nature, these aspects balance eachother.

For the second part. Choices were made and the system was created how it was because of logical necessity. Not that God is bound by logic, but he chooses to follow ut because he is orderly.

Evil is allowed to exist so people can choose. It keeps going because of mercy and delay of judgement. It is true that evil should just not have happened. Yet it did, and God didn't do it. Specific individuals did.

We do know God is just and here is an example, Philip the Evangelist in the Bible teleported to an Ethiopian man who only had access to the scroll of Isaiah. Philip asked him if he understood it and Philip said, how can I? So Philip gave him the Gospel, and baptized him and he believed and was saved.

The point is everything doesn't seem fair, but there are things God does that there are reasons for we don't have the context for. And we can learn more, but there is always more to it.

>>40979868 (OP)
If anything bad happens it's for a good purpose: if a baby died, it helped facilitate something that's your 1:1. Think outside the box and then you realize that baby dying is a strangely resonant feat of divine messaging.

>>40979868 (OP)
Psalm 130:3–4 If you, O Lord, should mark iniquities, Lord, who could stand? But with you there is forgiveness, that you may be feared.

Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.”

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

>>40979964
The rapture is not Christian, it's an American made heresy

>>40979868 (OP)
>if God is infinitely just?
He must not be in total control. What if that´s the point, God´s not in control; we are? We´re responsible. Get it now?

>>40979868 (OP)
Stop looking at religion and the dogmatic myths they’ve created. What we keep thinking of as “God” is more than what you can, apparently, comprehend.

>>40979868 (OP)
Apparently the God of this world is Satan and when we originally sinned, the Father made a covenant with man that would last 5,500-6,000 years; that we would be subject to Satan’s rule until the covenant has been fulfilled. So the reason why pain and suffering exists is because we are currently Satan’s (The Demiurge’s) children. However, in order to make sure not all hope was lost, the Father came to Earth as man and shed His perfect blood, reversing our original transgression and allowing any that believe upon Him to be saved in death. So either we are still waiting for the covenant to be fulfilled, or the Earth serves a purpose for the heavenly hosts and dualism (Good AND Evil) is an unfortunate reality that must persist for our evolution. Think of it like a court case. Satan is trying to prove that by separating yourself from God (free will), evil will always remain. The Father is trying to help us realize that there is no such thing as the self, and to align our will with His, so that we will transcend our physical bodies and return to Him. Reincarnation is real and even if you believe in Jesus in this life, you will come back until the law has been made witness to every living soul in the universe - to prove that it IS possible to have free will and reflect True Divinity.

Something I am wondering heavily is based on a podcast I saw.

There was this channel called "Almost False" which interviewed a "Satanic High Wizard". You can believe or not believe, but his story made sense.

One of the things he mentioned is that the devil wants abortions, around that time I often combined Moloch and Satan. And one of the ways they kill them, is letting "the breeders" give birth and they murder the coming out baby with a surgery knife. They do this to perform rituals called "Hex" which cna be for money, love, murder, etc.

Apart from all of that, where do these children go? They have no fault of what happened to them. I have two theories, you can critize them but is just what I think:

1. The kids get reincarnated based on who they were going to be. Meaning that if a baby that was killed and was going to live a good life, he/she gets reincarnated in a normal life.

2. "Predestination" These babies were always going to die. I do not know how to explain it well.

>>40980137
5. Evil doesn't exist and is an artefact of misperception

>>40982757
Yeah because sacrificing children to an evil entity from 2000 years ago is subjective and depends on interpetation

>>40982765
this is assuming death, pain, and so on are real and not artefacts of believing yourself to be corporeal, limited and mortal

>>40982777
I mean, is fun to think that you are the only person on the Universe but it often serves for narcissistic behavior. Because if no one exist then what is the point of caring for them?

>>40982787
In my experience compassion only increases as you release your belief in suffering. You focus less on yourself and see and care for people more deeply.
Of course if someone's suffering the last thing you do is tell them
>your pain is illusory
The path of spiritual understanding has to be walked willingly, it can't be imposed onto another

>>40982811
>The path of spiritual understanding has to be walked willingly, it can't be imposed onto another

You know, there is actually a pretty good advantage at thinking everything ia an illusion. I heard this on a reddit video and it has stick to me ever since, but people who lie to themselves and actually believe themselves are often more successful and happy. I mean, people who control what they believe in.

>>40980193
> You cannot know every single thought and actions something will have/take and then say that thing is free to choose
Where does this pants on head retarded idea even come from? It genuinely makes no sense at all if you think about it for more than 2 seconds. How does God knowing what you will choose to do influence your ability to choose at all?
God knows your future in the exact same way that you know your own past. Do you not have free will because you’re unable to change the choices you made in the past? Of course not, that would be retarded.
There is literally no logical through-line from “God knows what choices we will make” to “therefore we don’t have free will”.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but blaming God for your own choices is not a very good defense for your actions.

>>40982863
>I hate to be the bearer of bad news but blaming God for your own choices is not a very good defense for your actions.

NTA. But how does God work in this regard? I remember that some unique people intervened in some points of my family's life and I have heard about people who have left Satanic covens and etc. There seems to be people and cases where God takes action.

>>40982892
I’m not entirely sure what you mean but I’ll try to answer.
God operates through grace. The only reason anybody repents and believes is because they were given graces and they responded to those graces.
All people are given sufficient grace to be saved, meaning that nobody who ends up in hell has any right to blame God for their own choices. They were given grace to repent and they did not respond to it.
Think of it likes this: imagine you’re at a train station and a train stops in front of you. The doors open and you are free to step onto the train. If you choose not to step onto the train, it will leave and it won’t come back.
The train is grace. The choice to step onto it or not is yours to make, but you may only get one chance.

>>40979964
Damn this like some bible belt expansion pack type ARG that can be a standalone cult

>>40982841
>everything ia an illusion
I think you misunderstand. No one said that.
>people who lie to themselves
what is a lie and what is the truth? Is it a lie to say "I am loved" even if I don't feel it? Or is it truth to say "life is pain" just because I feel it? How can you lie if you don't know the truth?

>>40982919
Yeah that makes sense.

Which makes me think. All people who joined Satanic covens, evil organizations, etc. Had a sign to not join? Had a chance to repent? I would love an example.

>>40982940
God’s moral law is written on the heart of all people, which is what your conscience is. Ideally this would prevent anyone from joining an organization that is clearly evil but when someone habitually ignores their conscience then eventually their heart is hardened and they can no longer hear it.
But it also depends on what angle you look at this from. They technically have an infinite number of chances to not join the group or to quit after they’ve done so. Every second that passes is a chance to use their free will to do good rather than evil.
So to the people you mentioned who left the satanic coven, maybe that was their one guaranteed chance to respond to God’s grace or maybe it was something else. It’s possible that someone prayed for them, or that their guardian angel was able to get through to them, or xyz abc. The grace could’ve come from anywhere.

>>40982990
Correction: grace only comes from God, but the cause of that grace being given to those people could have come from anywhere.

>>40982990
It feels so weird. You know, I have been trying to turn to God for two years as for now. But my porn addiction keeps bringing me back to wrongness. I even stopped praying. I just feel unworthy of praying knowing that the next day I could end up watching porn. And one of my greatest worries is that I have a fixation with a fictional blonde girl that keeps bringing me back to porn, she feels more like a mental paralysis/succubus than anything. I feel like I am going to hell.

>>40983005
Don’t worry bro Jesus had to overcome his flesh as well so he understands and sees you wanting to win this fight. He’s on your side. Fasting really helped me unlock discipline and self-respect but I still got so much to learn. I know you got this bro we can conquer lust and come out (lol) on the other side.

>>40983033
Thanks. Do you know about books about how to do spiritual/mental cleansing or where I can search for them? I really want to have a clear mind, something like a reset withtout losing memories.

>>40983005
Have you been baptized? If not I would start there.
And I get you about the porn addiction. Until very recently I couldn’t go longer than 2 weeks before falling back into that sin, but thats why the sacrament of confession exists. (I also had a mind virus that took over whenever I thought about it but it goes away when you go to confession and partake in the Eucharist) When you give in to the sin, go to confession and mass. Partaking in the Eucharist (assuming you’re a baptized Catholic) is also a great weapon against lust and sin of any kind.
It may sound trite but it’s true: it’s not about how many times you get knocked down, it’s about how many times you stand back up and try again.
Pray the rosary, it is a weapon against demonic influence.
Go to mass every Sunday.
Go to confession when you fall.
Take the Eucharist when you’re not in mortal sin.
Make these things habits and sooner or later you will be freed from this obsession.

>>40983005
Oh yeah also that other anon is completely right. Fasting is also a weapon against lust. Your body can’t afford to be horny when you’re hungry, as food takes precedent over being horny.

>>40979964

FUUUUUCK I've been seeing your posts about "AHHHH THE SECONDS ARE FASTER ME AND MY FRIEND 'P E R F E C T E D' COUNTING TOGETHER" for years now, please fuck off, you tried this on /pol/ too I think

>>40983047
The unique problem I have is that I do not have great churches next to me. I only have a tiny one near to my home but is too tiny and I think is closed most of the time. Is there any chance I can get a person to baptize me properly? And also a tiny place to pray in my home?

>>40983085
I would contact a larger Catholic Church near you about OCIA and ask them what you should do. They’ll be able to help you out.
The problem with trying to fight lust outside of the church is that you’re doing it with only your own willpower which is almost always fail you. The church provides the sacraments specifically to help sanctify you. The sacraments are like nukes that you can drop on sin.

Genuinely asking because I'm so confused at this point, if people claims rapture dream is more like psychological things instead of real, how do you explain children with rapture dream? Because it seems like there are many videos of child talking about their rapture dreams lately, and I mean REAL children, not fake AI testimonies

>>40983372
What is rapture dream? Full detail please.