Thread 40994778

Seen throughout various forms of old stone architecture is a leafy faced man called the "Green Man" or "Foliate Head" by many. This character or symbol is seen all across the world and supposedly symbolizes "rebirth" and springtime as a whole, but I've got a feeling is a lot more than that. If you're unfamiliar with this concept here's the wiki article about him.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Man

The article doesn't go into muh detail on what it represents, claiming it symbolizing various vague concepts, but I personally think it has ties to the "wild man" archetype, and also, similarly comparable to the "jester" archetype as well, since those are stemming from the same origin. Does anyone here have any information on this phenomenon? It fascinates me greatly, it definitely seems like there's a lot more to it.

You've pretty much got it. It's likely an old pagan figure, and most of pagan tradition in England was destroyed during the Christianization years. Laws were written about killing pagans and destroying pagan worship places, so any deeper meaning to the Green Man or what his significance was is likely lost.

My honest opinion? He's a bearded nature dude that shows up in holy places, and Anglo-Saxon England would have been very much "the wilderness" as far as any Romans were concerned. Green Man is probably just an offshoot of Silvanus, or he's a proto-nature spirit that inspired Silvanus.

>>40994778 (OP)
Druid / Pan / Nature / Pagan worship

Unironically, another disguise of satan, the devil, that old snake, and master deceiver - don't be fooled.

I saw him once in a bog.
He was in a tree.
He smiled fondly at me in a way that exuded such warmth it almost felt more genuine than any expression I had seen at that moment.
He opened his mouth as if to speak and held it open for several minutes, and I stood holding my breath waiting for a word. But he mouthed silently towards me, as if trying to communicate something I could not hear.
Then a gust of wind came quickly and blew him right from the tree: that is, when the tree had rebounded from the wind, the face was gone.

>>40994778 (OP)
Possible origin is Cernunnos, a Celtic God. Also, check out Sir Gawain and the Green Knight.

>>40994925
>nature is evil
Shut the fuck up glowie

>>40994778 (OP)
I too watch Armoured Skeptic

>>40994778 (OP)
It's a bit of a leap but bear with me. The fertile crescent was once covered in forests and the Phoenician sun priests looked a lot more like celtic druids than history books let on. Asherah was lady of the forest groves, they sacrificed humans like the druids, even temple columns in ancient Greece and Egypt are artificial stone trees designed by the tree cult. The Green Man is a Celtic version of the oak / storm lord whose weather turns the wheel of seasons and brings fertility to the land, in the Babylon area they just called him Ba'al. Modern sources interpret the Green Man as the representation of the sun god Bel during the Bel-tane holy day... so same conclusion. During the height of summer the 'oak king' or sun king is sacrificed to begin the start of winter by his successor the 'holly king,' this is also where the Burning Man effigy and festival comes from.

Jack in the green?
Fulcanelli wrote something about him in his second book. It wasnt that important, i think. Or i would remember it

Bump, I also want to know. Supposedly in Star Wars, the green man was “Yoda”

>>40997219
I initially thought of the “Lady of the Lake” reading your post, but your mention of turning the wheel made me think of Mithras. Interesting post anon

>>40995596
Cernunnos is originally Gaelic afaik

But yeah same vague nature-man archetype as the Green Knight and Green Man (and unironically Fern from Adventure Time)

>>40997219
Should I read the Golden Bough? Should I take the Druidpill?

>>40994778 (OP)
The wise old man of the woods comes in many forms

Reminds me of the dude from twin towers that was the tree guy the carried the hobbit bros >>40997675

>>40994778 (OP)
It doesn't symbolize anything. No symbol means anything, inherently. You're just going to get a bunch of people repeating shit they've heard from others. Colors don't inherently mean anything, numbers don't mean anything, shapes, letters, words, none of them mean anything. Planets don't represent anything inherently. Saturn isn't bad, jupiter isn't good, the sun doesn't represent masculinity, the moon doesn't represent feminine. The meanings are imposed by humans.

>>40998006
*tips fedora*

>>40998006
What a vacuus and meaningless post.
>the meanings are imposed by humans
No shit retard, that's what we're discussing. A symbol and its meanings.
>masculinity/femininity/pointless trite blah blah
But they do according to the 'meanings' ascribed to them, and as we live in muh society it is a distinction without a difference

>>40995596
>Green Knight
Very surprised that the show adventure time had a green knight reference. The character acting as the green knight is also a warped version of the main hero, which is what I suspect the Wild Man to be akin to Christ, the Wild Man or Green Man may be a representation of an antichrist.

"The Green Man" archetype is actually in a lot of different modern media and usually keeps the wild man/wacky jester character themes as found in the original meaning, to some extent.
>Green Man costume from Always Sunny in Philadelphia: Charlie dons a green screen suit and calls himself the Green Man, while wearing the suit he becomes more chaotic and rambunctious than usual.
>Fern from Adventure Time: As posted about above, Fern is a grass-bodied version of Finn, making him plant based person like what the Green Man usually is depicted as. He assumes the "Green Knight as also shown there, which has direct ties to the green man. Also worth noting Fern is antagonistic because he is literally controlled by a demonic parasite.
Peter from Peter Pan: A jolly and magical being who never ages and invites children to an island of wonder and adventure. The surname "Pan" evokes the idea of him being a satyr of some kind, which the Wild Man was often said to be.
>Link/Deku Tree from The Legend of Zelda: Link is stated to be based on Peter Pan, and even keeps the green tunic. Personality wise Link doesn't fit this motif, but the Deku tree, being a wise and plant-like forest elder, does. Interestingly, Link is wearing blue instead of green in Breath of the Wild, where he actually does fit the wild man motif much better this time.
>Luigi from Super Mario: Mario's younger twin brother. Often called "Mario's shadow", this shows there is a vaguely negative aspect between the two. He is even called "the man in green" in a few games. In one game he also fuses with a jester and a relic of chaos into an extremely powerful being, for some reason Luigi was the "perfect vessel" for this to happen. The symbolism there is very heavy.
>Jolly Green Giant: The frozen vegetable brand mascot. Since the wild man has Nephilim (giant) origins, I really don't need to say much here that isn't obvious already.
I'm sure there are a lot more but I can't think of them at the moment.

>>40994778 (OP)
the green man is pan

>>40994778 (OP)
the story of peter man is based on the green man(pan) also

>>40998792
*peter pan

>>40994778 (OP)
this is literally just what you see when you are a high and looking at trees

>>40997541
>Cernunnos is originally Gaelic afaik
Mostly Gaelic, but found as far North as Denmark.

>>40998764
What if Peter Pan is the Baphomet archetype, on one side the human Peter, on the other the bestial Pan; order and chaos, light and dark, the whole jungian duality

>>40994778 (OP)
yes in the sprawling gardens of a historic estate grounds, as I was walking through a square plot of flowers user some trees, I looked up and saw him.
Thinking of that moment makes me dry heave with how creepily shrunken the face was, and the leaves coming off were fleshy and almost bluish on the edges.
So I'm frozen looking up, into the crook of the tree, the face is gripped around and the blood is pooling into the face, and I can see the textures expanding in the engorged skin, and the eyes bulging.
and these crickets or cicadas start really picking up as i get tunnel vision and feel like I'm shrinking away, like a water vortex swaying around the drain.
and I'm feeling perfectly peaceful getting gacked down under this insect drone, and start hearing some buggish cackles poking out of the soundscape.
AND THEN A LOT OF BIRDS JOIN IN.
and an elephant trumpets from far off in the background.
and screams. and panic. and then a guy with a megaphone giving orders to the crowd
and I wonder if the elephant was hurting people.
and this primal state of perception he explained to me to be vegetation, and to be as a plant is to go where plants live, close your eyes and listen intently.

>>40994778 (OP)
higher intelligence managing plant growth.
You don't govern your own heart rate, don't shit on who makes your lawn grow.
Buy him a pint and give thanks.

>>41000334
Well, that got a reaction.

>>40998870
i was wondering the same. never a mother earth face. is it some timeline anomaly like back in my childhood the sun used to be female and heart at the left side where we put our hands during anthems or where medals go

Looks like Obad-Hai from d&d.

>>41000334
Interesting idea.

>>40997509
>Lady of the Lake
My guess is she originates as figures like Diana Nemorensis. At Nemi they had druidic nature worship centered around a lake reflecting the moon (queen of heaven?), and they also had a similar king-killing ritual.
>Before challenging the current ruler, the runaway slave had to pluck a golden bough from the grove of Nemi. The runaway slave and the current rex nemorensis would then fight to the death for the role of high priest. The tradition of the rex nemorensis offered the runaway slave a rags-to-riches opportunity of becoming king. However, it came at a cost: for the rest of his life, he had to fight challengers to the death in order to retain his position of power.

>Yoda
Big think, especially in the originals he's just as much a capricious trickster as some jedi master. In the new movies they depicted him as the black sun in front of a burning tree of knowledge.

https://youtu.be/6fek6iJlm8s

>>41000346
was me responding to [a reaction] to my own post
sorry for any confusion
>>41000525
It seems weird to us that higher/other intelligence's would have actual personalities. The mistake of forgetting that just being polite goes a long way.

Nice bullshit bud

>>41000661
Until it isn't, right?

>>40997219
You do realize that you're missing the most insightful part of this. The storm god: it's hercules. From susa-no-o to ba'al hamon and Veles. The enemy of the snake. Thor.

>>40994778 (OP)
The green man is John the Baptist aka Cernunnos aka Veles aka Pan who baptized Christ in the fires of hell.

>>41000334
>higher intelligence managing plant growth
Honestly, I've wondered if this isnt Bigfoot. A plant-based mobile intelligent life form that lives in the forest. Kind of like the Tolkien Ents. You cant see them or know they are there because they are part of the forest.

>>41001352
This is very interesting. Can you elaborate?

>>40998006
>No symbol means anything, inherently.
Holy cow you're dumb lol

>>40994778 (OP)
cool pic OP i like how the leaves around his face make a subtle pentagram

>>40994925
Nature is GOOD, the Green Man is good. Any religion which preaches that nature is "evil" must be evil

>>41002078
Christ went to hell for 3 days and resurrected. This was his baptism of wisdom; Baphomet.
The circus and the black lodge in twin peaks represent hell. The red velvet drapes represent the fires of hell. The clowns represent the the djinn who reside there. The djinn are the Annunaki also known as the Elohim. The Elohim are the Reptilians that well poisoners rant and rave about. Lucifer is said to be a seraph, which means fiery serpent in Hebrew. Scythians descend from the serpentine goddess Artimpasa and Artimpasa is Ishtar and Ishtar is Lucifer. Scythians were said to have been the oldest nation and it was they who were said to have built the Tower of Babel.
The fallen angels bread with Cain and his lineage according to the jews. Cain's real mother was said to have been Lilith.
Cain was the first freemason and it was the fallen angels who taught Cain warfare, art and music and magic and how to build. And the sons of God saw the daughters of men and saw they were fair etc etc...(fair means white and or noble and noble means Aryan)
It was the race of Cain, the Atlanteans who built the ancient world and all it's pyramids before the great flood. The native Americans speak of white serpents who built their pyramids. The Vedas describe their gods with blonde hair and blue eyes.
Aryans are the chosen people. And only an Aryan can be a Christ which means anointed and is also a Greek word.
God is the devil and the devil is God
And Aryans are his children
And Christ is his son
And Muhammad (who was white with red hair) is his prophet.
The black sun is Solomon's temple and Solomon's temple is the Kaaba.
The Kaaba is the black lodge.
To go to Hajj is to witness hell with your very own eyes.

>>41002038
Green Man is also comparable to the Wild Man which is a hairy beast like humanoid too

Yeah he protects the eye of the world and tends to the grove surrounding it. He can only ever be found once by any individual, finding him is a bit odd as well.
Its based on need, not desire. You have to need to find him. It keeps out selfish people.
Legend says he has something to do with the dragon reborn, but who knows?

>>40994778 (OP)
>Green Man

>>40994778 (OP)
More Satan worship meant to take emphasis away from the only God and turn people from his church. We know what the green man is, it's a demon. No more explanation is necessary.

christfag fatigue is so real

>>41004716
I understood this reference

ouroboros, asymmetry, yonic/crow symbolism and green purple duality

>>41006723
May you always find water and shade.

>>40994778 (OP)
>there is an empty space on that building
>let's carve something there so it's not empty, let's make a face
>wouldn't it look cool to make a face out of leaves?
>some time later, another sculptor sees it
>hey that face looks cool, I gonna put one on the next column I make

and so on.

>>41006685
I have normalfag and redditor fatigue

>>41005957
A book a lot of people should read is "Love in the Western World," by Denis de Rougemont. His thesis is that when the Inquisitions hit France and Spain, Europe's indigenous religions went underground but preserved their rituals and beliefs in popular culture, such as Troubadour poetry and music, contemporary plays, and works of fiction. Some of these being Sir Gawain and the Green Knight and also the Aurthurian legends. So if you want to understand the Green Man, you need to read Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. There are motifs: the three kisses, the test of loyalty and honor, the beheading game, holly boughs, the King in Disguise, Morgan Le Fey, etc. These are basically symbols of the religion that existed that was suppressed by a Cayholic Church that would murder anyone for not believing its teachings.

>>40994778 (OP)
IRT OP's picture. These are Oak Leaves. This is a depiction of the "Oak King." Symbolic of the victory of the Summer Solstice to the Celts and the Druids. The "Holly King" was the onset of the Winter Solstice. This ia the constant battle between the dark and the light, between Summer and Winter.

>>41009097
>the three kisses
To also build on this ,you have Morgan le Fey, who is a not so subtle reference to the Celtic Goddess Morrigan, who is comprised of three sisters. So the Green Knight tale is one of a warrior being tested by the Goddess of War and Fate and passing this test. He remained true to his Goddess and his beliefs.

>>40994778 (OP)
Dudes living the bush covering themselves with foliage could also probably be found here and there across the globe if I had to reckon.
Mystery solved.

Green man means satan , idk why this is so hard for yall to grasp

>>41009210
Satan comes from the semitic root meaning "adversary." The green man has a pretty definitive root in Celtic lore and it's isn't some kind of adversary of God. Most likely, it was a symbol of the changing seasons. And Christianity incorporated a lot of the lore surrounding the Green Man into Christianity. The birth of Christ (Christmas) is the Winter Solstice, or rather the simultaneous death of the Oak King and the Birth of the Holly King. And Jesus was depicted with a crown of Holly on the cross in some European traditions. The concept of the Trinity is similar to the three sisters who comprise the Morrigan. It's stupid to equate this symbolism with Satan.

>>40994778 (OP)
Green man is the survival of the archetype of european pan. Wild nature deities that do what theyre gonna do. Sublunary spirits.
Shiva is representative of effectively the same phenomenon.
In Europe this archetype was "murdered" and suppressed in order to keep people submissive to oppressive government regime. By "killing" pan and what he represents, which includes nature itself, they could keep people from forming ecstatic and yogic religions that can form legitimate rebellion.
Pan came back as the green man, then came back as a folkloric representation of satan- a god of nature & fairies.
The archetype on places like 4chan comes out as pepe and even the anon tan. Green men, animal men.

>>41009405
The archetype of pan is very powerful, it can be suppressed, but not killed. Pan is both dead and alive, and eventually its going to come up out of the grave and wreak total havoc on western/westernized societies. Absolute full terror.
I believe that the diseases and invasive species epidemic coming witb global warming, are a precursor of this. It will be in full display if there is ever an absolute environmental crisis that is undeniable. At that point, we will likely see very strange ecstatic cults form.

>>41009371
your talking to someone who thinks everything outside of their specific denomination of christianity is "demonic".

Everything is demons except their faggot eregore. It's really irritating watching christfags try to broach paganism and hermeticism in general when their mind virus prevents them from forming a genuine organic opinion on the matter.

>>41009412
These cults, will be dionysian in nature. Witchcraft cults with no christian guard rails to make them appear "acceptable".
This will look very similar to vodoun. Possession will return, spirit worship of a wild god of nature. Absolute ecstatic rituals, embracing the chaotic world.
I imagine that these cults will be extremely anti government, and will actively be hostile towards bureaucracies.

>>41009435
These will be the most popular among rural people, who will abandon Christianity in favour of the god they can actually see- the wild and terrible god of nature. The sublunary spirits. The possessed witch priests.
Distinctly anti political, but only in the sense of being against state powers and bureaucracies. They wont adhere to ethnic truths, but will be entirely devoted to the wild god.
The first cult will again, develop after a natural disaster of humongous proportions. Tsunami. Earth quake, a fire. Something resulting from the global warming crisis.
They will rise up and begin to lead a charismatic religion, focusing around the nature god. This may be called pan, or may be given a new name. But the archetype will be the same. It will be exceedingly anti monotheistic, as it will arise to spite the current regime of the global north. It will follow from there that their movement will lead to a horizontal growth of orthopraxic, ecstatic with cults.
I imagine there will be incredible violence in the beginning. But it will be displayed most patently through rituals that are vivid, terrifying. And appear to work.
Rural people will attach to this, as a superior religion that is not "dead" and won't abandon them.
The people in the cities that will attach to it, will be primarily younger generations.
The moment we get a major disaster that cannot be avoided, that is distinctly a nature event, it will arise.
Thats my prediction.

>>41009435
your right about a stand alone complex forming around such a dionysian antinomian zeitgeist with many people independently having the same general idea of instinctually returning to something older and understood on a primal level.

>guess how I know?

>>41009500
Yeah, economic crises have been getting them to start germinating out in the west/global north. But it wont really start until there's a distinctly environmental disaster. One so huge, that it literally cannot be denied as anything other than that.
Afterwards, thats when shit gets weird. All the paganistic phenomenon, the unconscious materials, banished from polite imperial society, will come back with a potent vengeance.

>>41009619
Sounds interesting! What a beautiful city shining on a hill we will make free from the dour constraints of those who stole from our progenitors!

>>41007282
>green purple duality
thanks doc

>>41005989
you know in fantasy novels and videogames, the ones insisting that their god or goddess is the "one true" deity are usually the villains

>>41009412
Nature is a living thing and it's having an immune response

Christianity calls it the wrath of the lamb

I call it the wrath of Pan

Basically the headless shadow monster from Princess Mononoke is going to stomp our shit in and there's nothing we can do about it

>>41009405
>>41009412
Pan is only a companion of Dionysus' retinue and analogues (the Greeks wrote that Osiris and Balarma are Dionysus/Liber/Bacchus. It seems that he is the jaguar god of the Mayans, hypothetically he can also be Quetzalcoatl). Shiva is literally depicted as Dionysus (he still needs to put a pine cone on his trident) and is accompanied by various contradictory spirits

And yes, such a revival is impossible (unless Dionysus himself appears

in general, Jesus is a bit reminiscent of Dionysus, from Orphic mysteries, calmer

>>41009405
>>41009412
>>41009435
>>41009482
>>41009619
during the height of the covid outbreak something very strange happened to me. I quit being a NEET, abandoned my secularism and got into the occult. At first it was mere curiosity but it rapidly morphed into the belief that I had the calling and responsibility to help people in the decades to come to protect them from social, political, economic and enviromental trends. Money rapidly started coming in and everything took on an almost magical quality for the first time since I was a child

Throughout all of this there was a kind of mental imprint in my head of Iberia, Glastonbury Hill, Minoa, Cannan, and Sumeria, forests, and the desert sky at night, frozen Taigia, Redwoods and of howling winds and dark thickets of thorns and the soft beating of wings against the moonlit sky

It was brought on by a trip to the American southwest desert to absolute desolation in 125f heat at noon. Complete maddening silence and the remains of buildings plants and animals, I shunned all my previous ways and became oddly disiplined and ascetic often to the point of madness.

I felt some primevil goddess spirit telling me to build something so that life may begin anew to plant trees I would never know the shade of or taste the fruit of

When I stray from this path I am punished when I adhere to it I am rewarded.

Why and what is happening?

>>40994778 (OP)
How did you get this image of me?
Like bruh, that's just me lmao.

I'm just a left field wild gardener who loves planting fruits and create ecosystems and casually just you know, throwing thorny raspberries and blackberry seeds in your general direction.

This style of gardening isn't Human or a sort of "Bow to me" that is taming and industrialization; but rather hand in hand, tending to the fat teat of the ecology around you, giving your time and blessing into it, and suckling the copious drops it provides if you allow it, and share it amongst the ecological residents, who in turn make the ecology grander in design and more interconnected.

In that, I am both gardener, architect, wanderer, and caretaker. I am man, but I am in so in tune and in love with my element, that I seem partially imbibed within my environment.

That is the mindset that all good Men should have, to not lord over Domain, to not be swallowed by Domain; but rather to be in continued copulation with your domain, and enriching it to where you aren't sure where the Man and Domain begins.

There is much more to me as an Individual that just this mindset, that is just a personal hobby, a real world application of my beliefs. It's genuinely not my reason d'etre; just a side effect of my footsteps.

Like a giant who leaves footprints in mud that become lakes; my reason for being is not to make lakes, do not define just as such, it is just a side effect from my presence.

You big goofy silly. Now come, there are grapes and walnuts to harvest, and corn planted by the birds and deer. We've plenty of pheasant, and egg this year too, and the salmon have never been happier. Perhaps we'll be granted a kind access to honey reserves if we're shown the way and given permission to sample.

>>41009413
>your talking to someone who thinks everything outside of their specific denomination of christianity is "demonic".
In fairness, the Reddit-tier faggots that use terms like "Christcuck" are just as annoying as Christcucks. It would be awesome if we could all just discuss things and focus on their inherent truth instead of devolving into trite epithets or hyper-reductive arguments like "everything I don't like is Satan," but that seems to be beyond humanity at this point.

>>41009435
>I imagine that these cults will be extremely anti government, and will actively be hostile towards bureaucracies.
This might not be a good thing. Whatever you may say about Druids and the Celts, they did practice human sacrifice. It is with great caution that one should explore these topics and lines of thought. For me, I believe the "old world" was a competition between forces that required blood sacrifice and those that were caretakers of humanity. I don't really have a side in this one. On one side, I don't want a shepherd watching over me. I don't want to be a Christian farm animal herded by some greater being toward it's own objectives. On the other hand, I don't want to be sacrificing infants to whatever being requires a blood sacrifice to bind it's power to me and this world. I would honestly like these beings to just fuck off and leave us alone. I truly believe humanity would figure shit out on its own if "the watchers" stopped fucking with us.

>>41009963
unimpeded christian proselytyzing has done far more damage to the culture of /x/ than people who have disdain for them. It's just as disruptive as atheistic fedora tippers here trying to "debunk" everything. It's pretty obvious why this shift has been allowed to happen and the answer is entryism from crossboarding faggots deliberately corrupting what used to be a board about all forms of the esoteric and fringe not one singular militant interpretation of it that is openly hostile to anything outside this purview

Christfags are objectively a blight on /x/ and there is no reason to mince words about it. This isn't a disagreement of opinion it's an objective observation of openly braggardly imperialistic conduct by the adherents of christianity on this board.

They deserve the antipathy because they can't stay in their fucking lane. We have multiple generals at all times in accordance with their nonsense and they STILL derail unrelated threads. No other minority on /x/ does this to such an extent and they deny they do it on one hand and condone it with the other.

I'm fucking tired of tolerating their faggotry. This isn't about religious coexistance. This is about an outside group abusing the fact that their religion falls under a vague umbrella purview of what is allowed on /x/ and it's festered to the point that the erudite conversation you claim to want is literally fucking impossible

>>40994778 (OP)
This feels related;
"the coming forth of our Old Green Man, the Skull Hooded in Foliage" is mentioned here;
Liber Falxifer 3; pg 61; Station 8 of Akeldama;

https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-iii-the-book-of-the-52-stations-of-the-crosses-of-nod/page/57/mode/2up

>>41009405
>Green man is the survival of the archetype of european pan
Yeah. I don't think so. This anon hit it on the head
>>40997219
The green man is a representative of the Celtic/Druidic beliefs in the Oak King/Holly King, the points of highest and lowest declination of the sun or the solstices. And when you consider the Chivalric Texts, Sir Gawain Tales, Arthurian legends and what survives of Celtic and Druidic beliefs, this is pretty clear. The concept of Pan really is a separate gestalt, owing its origins to to the Greek Pantheon.

>>41009996
and the solution is simple. Make /rel/ and ban any non academic discussion of mainline theological discussion on /x/.

Exoteric religions don't need this kind of ( deliberate) handholding and it's made discussion of the Esoteric increasingly impossible

>>41009996
>I'm fucking tired of tolerating their faggotry. This isn't about religious coexistance. This is about an outside group abusing the fact that their religion falls under a vague umbrella purview of what is allowed on /x/ and it's festered to the point that the erudite conversation you claim to want is literally fucking impossible
So the response to simple-minded dogmatic faggotry is to be just as simple-minded, gay, and dogmatic? Just ignore the bullshit and move on. You are way too triggered.

>>41010017
>Make /rel/ and ban any non academic discussion of mainline theological discussion on /x/.
How do you even do this? Religion is absolutely connected to the occult and paranormal. Honestly, every time a "Christcuck" annoys me, someone like you comes along and reminds me the alternative is just as annoying.

>>41010031
>"hey guys lets talk about goetia, paganism, aliens, ghost, bigfoot an...."

>"DEMONS! HELL! DEMONS! HELL! DEMONS! CUM! DEMONS!

It isn't the same

>>41009877
>during the height of the covid outbreak something very strange happened to me. I quit being a NEET, abandoned my secularism and got into the occult. At first it was mere curiosity but it rapidly morphed into the belief that I had the calling and responsibility to help people in the decades to come to protect them from social, political, economic and enviromental trends. Money rapidly started coming in and everything took on an almost magical quality for the first time since I was a child
Very similar thing happened to alot of people. Will get more into detail about this later in post.
>Redwoods and of howling winds and dark thickets of thorns and the soft beating of wings against the moonlit sky
Your mind and body are craving a return to authentic spirituality and life. Human religion, traditionally, has been set in "liminal spaces", the most potent of which, have been sacred groves, mountains, deep forests, deserts.
>Why and what is happening?
Pagan and eastern religions, frankly, are not entirely different, in spite of what modernist say. They all share a basic core to them.
Where im going with this is very simple. When stillness is present, the unconscious is able to make itself manifest. It becomes very very subtle and can begin seeing into subtle realities. Such as spirits, hidden lands, etc.
When Covid happened, you were forcibly pulled out of the fake world that was built around westernized society. This world is meant to be hyper convenient and requires your attention to be constantly fractured. Being forcibly pulled out by covid meant your mind had time to get very very still. Effectively, you were in a state of mindfulness. During that, you plunged into primal ecstatic religion.
This put you in contact with a deeply potent psychic force. Similar things have happened traditionally in places from pre colonial India to ancient Greece. Happens even still in rural asian provinces.
(Cont)

>>41010054
Stillness will naturally bring someone towards "magic". These are two sides of the same coin.
That punishment & reward system, is you noticing something you didnt notice before. In the ancient world, the people knew that if you did not respect nature and the forces in it, you got hurt. They did not deny that killing a sacred grove could kill the spirits in it, but they knew doing so had drastic consequences. They knew you could just choose not to plant trees and etc, but that there was a hefty price to that.
In asia, they still know this in rural places. There was one, during the initial deforestation around shan state, they saw a serpent god die from his home being destroyed. Only the locals could see it, a giant white dragon falling onto the mountain and dying.
They knew the consequences for that, and they are experiencing now still.
The difference between the rural folk who practice the ancient religions and the westernized people, is that the westernized people have been conditioned to be so disconnected they would not be able to perceive this stuff.
You pulled out, your mind became subtle, now youre able to see how the world actually works. Especially when these forces start pushing you.
>>41009978
>old forces required blood sacrifice
Ehhhhh not so. IT did happen, but this was more common whenever a state became corrupt and started to control the local religious customs. This would cause a breakdown, which results in bacchanalian horrors.
(Cont)

>>41010103
This is happening all the time modernly in Christianity, albeit in an appollonian style. They just do not call it human sacrifice, when it actually is.
The real state of classical religion was that you were in a flow of forces, and your position was to find out how best to get along with them and even direct them.
These often had blood sacrifices of animals. Not all of them though, the refined ones tended towards vegetation and substitutes. Some even had animals that were deemed sacred to a particular divinity. Execution of which, had a severe penalty (like the story of the goddess and her deer).
This is not to say dont be wary. Do, infact, hold caution. We have suppressed something that needs to be expressed for over a thousand years. These are psychic forces which are getting really agitated. The issue comes straight from us and our empires. They tried to kill psychic necessities that cannot be destroyed, that only made them stronger and more agitated.
It will be a good thing when they break loose ultimately, but them breaking loose will not be pretty. It will be the worst I think for the most repressed people in society. Pure libidinal unconscious energy made manifest will be an extreme shock to the nervous system of Puritanical types. They will have strange dangerous and frightening experiences.
>I feel it would be better if the watchers fucked off
The reality is, we need ecstatic religion. We need to be able to confront and work with these forces. They exist regardless of what we do, we are part of them and they are part of us. Ignoring them and trying to banish them, has clearly made the world more dangerous than it ever has been.
The west succeeded where the Azteca failed. Human blood pours constantly to make a global empire, all while locking away these "superstitious" elements for the commoner. All under a guise of secularism & Christianity.

>>41010137
Doing this, makes society beyond unstable. Without ritual, we lose our standing. Without appeasing and working with these very real, psychic forces, we become oppressed by ourselves and later destroyed! If we cannot work with these forces, we become haunted by them in the forms of neurosis and terror. Both as legitimate entities, and as their unconscious archetypal realities.
When the witch cult is properly implemented, life will get better. These psychic forces will get directed in ways that uplift us again.
But until we deal with the problem- that there is a psychic blockage threatening to explode- we will get worse and worse until it finally explodes.

>>41010184
maybe I'm the one. At least at the bare minimum I can get a couple friends to and maybe some cute goth girls to LARP with in the woods.

>>41010040
nta
how would someone who is versed in the occult and metaphysical things Master Christ accomplished and the discussion thereof, annoy you?

for the wall of text spammer
how would sheperds go on and about and catch immaterial spirits and kill them?
i feel you grossly overestimate their abilities.
no thing new under the sun.
i guess they only repressed and put it under punishment to pursue/listen to any "natural" entity like pan, lucifer, prometheus or any other. which would probably be a net positive to the evolution of mankind, anyway. (time showed us it was positive)
would you agree that on the other hand the shepherds themselves got baited by ahriman, nowadays, to do his bidding?

>>41010254
>>41009877
although in a pathological way I've come to realize that despite the occult trappings everything I've attempted to do with magic/paganism is an attempt to make the family I never had and recreate my most treasured memory of a school camping trip in the forest with my class before all of us grew apart and became divided along racial, religious and political lines because that fleeting night in the woods staring at the stars was the happiest I've ever felt in my life and I just want everyone, someone (and myself) to feel that way again forever even if I have to LARP to get it because that was the most alive I ever felt in my entire life.

As far as origin stories go you could do worse I guess. Maybe that along with what >>41010054 says is why these forces are acting through me as a conduit because that's fertile archtypical/thematic ground to work with.

>>41007925
nobody asked

>>41006685
>>41009210

>>41009963
>Reddit-tier faggots that use terms like "Christcuck"
christfag has been a 4chan word since before you watched a Tiktok on gnosticism and started posting here. Christfags have been getting shat on since at least 2010 when I started using this site. On 4chan, christfaggotry has become a massive nuisance among newfag tradlarpers on multiple boards, to include /x/, /k/, and /fit/. IRL, christfags are responsible for the destruction of multiple ethnic European religions and systems of magic in the name of what is very much a Jewish slave cult.

Your cult is not welcome, and it hasn't been for a long time.

>>41010040
>the alternative is just as annoying
the "alternative" is literally anyone who is not a christfag. Please explain to us in vivid detail how a Buddhist who has never heard of 4chan is "just as annoying" as the wannabe Catholics on this website

>>41010656
>Christian makes a shit post
>I respond calmly and factually
>you blather on off topic for 15 posts about "christfags"
You are clearly the biggest bitch in this thread. Get back on topic.

>>41010282
>how would someone who is versed in the occult and metaphysical things Master Christ accomplished and the discussion thereof, annoy you?
Topic is green man. Christian wants to talk about Satan. Redditfag wants to bitch about Christians. I'm interested in green man.

>>41010996
>>41010137
>The reality is, we need ecstatic religion. We need to be able to confront and work with these forces.
Aescetics would disagree. I think even Celtics and Druids would disagree. Whatever these forces are, they can only exist and influence our realm through us. We choose whether we let them influence us. Their influence isn't fait accompli. And ironically, the story of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight is pretty much a didactic tale about the importance of chastity, restraint, and devotion to your vows. Sir Gawain did not give in to the temptations of Morgan Le Fey (a symbol for the Morrigan) and the Green Knight (pretty clearly a symbol for the Holly King) spared his life. It's a story that teaches the value of overcoming nature (both our external and internal nature), not worshiping or participating in the chaos that comes from it. Failure to understand basic aspects of paganism is why pagan revivals will never succeed. It's basically an excuse for repressed people to act in a decadent and uncontrolled manner instead of a means to understand the universe free from the restraint of dominant religions.

This thread again? Is this some sort of ritual posting?

>>41011102
You seem informed... Can you give me a QRD on the story of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight?

>>41010468
>although in a pathological way I've come to realize that despite the occult trappings everything I've attempted to do with magic/paganism is an attempt to make the family I never had and recreate my most treasured memory of a school camping trip in the forest with my class before all of us grew apart and became divided along racial, religious and political lines because that fleeting night in the woods staring at the stars was the happiest I've ever felt in my life and I just want everyone, someone (and myself) to feel that way again forever even if I have to LARP to get it because that was the most alive I ever felt in my entire life
anon that is the realest shit I've seen on /x/ in years and you are absolutely felt

>>41011131
>Green Knight shows up and starts talking shit to King Arthur on Christmas (Winter Solstice)
>Challenges Arthur to a beheading game
>Gawain jumps at the chance to prove himself and accepts the game, sparing his King
>Gawain gets the first shot to behead the Green Knight, succeeds
>Green Knight (still alive) holds up his head with his hand and says his turn is next year
>Almost a year passes
>Gawain realizes he's about to die and heads toward the the Green Chapel where the Knight lives
>Sidetracked by a celebration at a nearby Castle
>Lord of the Castle goes out hunting
>Lord's wife tries to seduce Gawain three times
>Gawain refuses her, but each time receives a kiss
>Gawain accepts his fate, heads to the Green Chapel (which is actually a mound of dirt) on Christmas
>Green Knight about to behead him, but stops and nicks his neck
>Green Knight was actually the Lord of the Castle and says he was testing Gawain
>Lord's wife was actually Morgan Le Fey and she was testing his honor
>Gawain passed the test

I dont know where but I KNOW I've seen green man somewhere before.

>>41011287
this sounds like Dark Souls lore

>>41010962
I'm not even close to the only one trashing christfags.
>blather on
Between that and the quotes around the word christfag, you're terminally reddit. Also, nothing wrong about what I've said, and it's all completely off-topic because the Green Man appears on christfag churches and any records pertaining to his origins would have been destroyed during the christfag ethnic cleansings of the middle ages.

>>41009996
Who is the true God?

>>41011287
Context:100 years before the first version of Sir Gawain appeared, the Catholic Church began its erasure campaign of any native European religion. Practicing your religion meant death. Talking about it meant death. Right about this time, a bunch of weird ass stories were written that were completely nonsensical and absurd (Iike the Gawain story), but for some reason, extremely popular. These stories weren't stories and they weren't entertainment, they were religious beliefs embedded in a media the Catholics couldn't censure. So people like the Cathars, Druids, etc. preserved their beliefs in "fictional works" meant for "entertainment." So when you read Gawain, you are supposed to read it as religious metaphor and encoded religious belief.

>>41011287
Beautiful

>>41011302
>this sounds like Dark Souls lore
The entire genre of gothic lore and chivalry stories literally arose from 14th Century troubadour poetry, like Gawain. So it doesn't surprise me.

>>41009161
very nice lady morrigan is

>>40994778 (OP)
The Green Man symbolizes the growth within. It is the thinker, not the thought. The ego is the thought, the thinker is the thing that created it, the true self.

It might be based on an anthropocentric model of entheogens that expand consciousness. It is medicine and related to serpent wisdom. The "green man" of Greece was Dionysus above all, although Asclepius was the great school of medicine (also a staff with a serpent) and Apollo was the destroyer of the serpent. None of this is necessarily good or bad. It's a bunch of versions of the same thing — how we deal with our inner emotions. We wrongly ascribe moral correctness to what is the moral judgement of the moment. "It is right" is true because you thought it just now and is right in the moment you thought it, but it is not right for all eternity because there are higher powers that cause the world to constantly change, although there may be a time in a future cycle (using a SEMI-cyclical time concept) where it will be right again.

>>41011508
I think this is the core of Buddhist teaching. This is what non-attachment actually looks like.

This also leads into another thing that I think Christianity gets wrong as it is currently taught. The basic problem with acting morally is that it will not always be the path of least resistance or obviously provide benefit. So what makes you continue to act morally in spite of this? The common Christian answer today is to outsource this motive to a god that keeps you in line. For those of us who are not schizo enough to believe in such a story, we need something else. Maybe we need harsh discipline from outside because we can't provide it to ourselves; look at the amount of alcoholics in the world, for instance. However, the answer that I've come to myself is that I should be motivated to do things simply because they match the vision that I had before doing them. In other words, the congruence between word and action, or between vision and actualization, is the only "reward" that one ought to need in being virtuous. This is an individualist rendition, but the basis is solid and shouldn't lead to amoral behavior, provided the people are not mentally ill to begin with. At least personally, this wouldn't lead me to amoral behavior.

So, I think Christianity was originally more like the Buddhist teaching of this non-attachment and this pursuit of vision, and later on it became about obeying an authority.

>allowed have entire succubus and nobody threads
>allowed to discuss pagan stuff
>allowed to talk about new agey stuff
>but if someone dares bring up Christianity, they're totally le forcing it on me!!!!
Grow up.

>have multiple boards with dedicated christfag threads
>decide to insert christfag cult into a discussion about a non-christfag symbol
>realize you're bad at arguing per the norm
>deploy christfag victim complex
>avoid responding directly to posts in a sad attempt to look cool and disconnected from the issue
You don't even have the maturity to fuck off and quit pressing the issue, making your reply hilarious. Indirect replies still count as (You)s, btw, so hurry up and give me another one.

>>40994778 (OP)
The Green Man is the best.

>>41011668
But others are allowed to insert their interpretations? Where does the line get drawn? Why is that one thing off limits?

>>41012196
just once, just once I'd like to see a christfag admit they're being obnoxious cunts and that people are right to dislike them for their conduct and that they hold the true culture of this board/site in contempt but it's okay because god/jesus supersedes that.

>>41012196
>But others are allowed to insert their interpretations?
Yes. Those are actual interpretations. Christfag responses in this thread (and broadly throughout the world) are a very crude and simple computation:
>IF figure =/= jesus, god, christfag figure
>THEN figure = Satan, evil, bad
It's not an interpretation, no thought goes into it. It's an allergy, and if some faggot with a nut allergy told me to throw my almonds away I'd tell him to eat shit too.
>Where does the line get drawn?
Christfaggotry. It's categorically not occult because it is THE major western religion. It's like when cops try to get in on punk culture.
>Why is that one thing off limits?
See above. You can't even deny that I'm right; the first christfag response immediately warned that the Green Man is trying to "deceive" people, and I'm pretty sure you (hard to tell, you're all pretty much the same guy) were the one that wrote him off as a demon. You didn't want to discuss the topic, you immediately demonized it. You people literally are not able to deviate from that if-then computation.

>>41012289
I'd love to see a Gnostic interpretation that isn't "Christian God = secretly bad, we have to le escape the matrix bro" but Ive yet to see such a thing. It's just people's beliefs, nobody is forcing anything on anyone, it only affects how they interpret reality.

>>41012574
>'d love to see a Gnostic interpretation that isn't "Christian God = secretly bad,
Kek. It do be like that.

>>41012289
>It's not an interpretation, no thought goes into it. It's an allergy
And your allergy is to say the word Christfag a bunch of times and pretend that's anything resembling an opinion. Seriosuly, stfu. I've asked you before. Get back on topic. The annoying Christians seem rational and well-reasoned compared to you.

>be me
>peasant in Southern France in the year 1200 AD
>just trying to live my life
>Pagans keep bitching endlessly about "Christfags"
>try to talk about the weather, they blather on about "Christfags"
>try talking about crops, they blather on about "Christfags"
>try talking about the Winter King Festival which should be fun, they blather on about Christfags
>try talking about Green Man, they blather on about Christfags
>Christians show up and ask me if its cool if they kill all the Pagans
>Me, please do
Pretty sure that's how the Inquisitions went down.

>actual interesting topic comes up
>immediate arguing and name calling
Odd

>>41012892
It's just a name. Same as using namefag or tripfag. Even if I wasn't posting valid and on-topic opinions, you and your ilk immediately came by to talk trash about the subject at hand, so you don't get to be a victim either.
>>41012948
absolutely WOUNDED post hahaha
>be pagan in 9th century
>try talking about the meaning of the Green Man
>random guy who's been talking about some magic jew shows up
>"HOLY SHIT THAT'S EVIL"
>call him a fag
>"WHAT THE FUCK, CAN'T I SHARE MY OPINION??"
>christfag proceeds to outlaw pagan symbols and practice under pain of death
>because they're the victims and we're just mean

>>40994778 (OP)
Green man faces are probably descended from Greek and Roman masks depicting Dionysus and Bacchus respectively.
They didn't crop up as how we know them Today until around the 12th century and were pretty much only seen in Europe. There is zero evidence that they were used by pagans with the earliest record stating that they were dating to around 1930 with fuck all evidence to support that claim at the time or since.

It was just an in vouge artistic choice for awhile. Same thing with Hellmouths being popular for around 300 years and then just dying off.

>>41013106
You are Indian arent you?

>>41013238
>(green man wasn't seen) until around the 12th century and were pretty much only seen in Europe.
Mentioned this before in this thread, but check out "Love in the Western World" by Denis de Rougemont. He's not a lightweight. He was a serious academic and one of the people that laid the groundwork for the EU. He explains all of this. Yeah, Green Man didnt pop up until the 12th Century. That's when stuff like the Bogomil Crusades and the Albigensian Crusades started. That's when widespread suppression of Cathar beliefs and Pagan beliefs started in Southern France/Northern Spain. That's when weird stories like Grail Quests and Sir Gawain started popping up. These events are connected. Beliefs system (I'll use Pagan as a catchall) were forced underground, but were spread through poetry, Troubadour song, love mythology, and pop culture in general. Their beliefs became encoded into popular culture to avoid suppression and to enable expression at a time when the punishment for such things was death. Green Man was absolutely Pagan.

>>40998764
>The Jolly Green Giant is Nephilim
This is why I come here.

>>41013365
He's not wrong, it's a recurring motif.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Garth_Greenhand
My favorite ASOIAF theory is the one where Garth Greenhand and the other mythic heroes birthed clone babies to reincarnate into thus achieving effective immortality through the ages. What a fantastical idea no?

>>40994925
Sorry "The Great God Pan is Dead"
(Spoilers: He's not. But we all like a new change of clothes once and a while) And if you think He's evil then ask why he died for your sins.

>>41013351
hahaha oh man. Disregarding the fact that more blacks and hispanics are christian today than whites these days, I am incurably Angloid

>>41015771
Post hands

>>41015920
now, i'm getting pretty close on Bingo; have you been raped, possibly in prison? If either of those is true and you call me a jew we can put the kibosh on this whole thing

I said Luigi was the green man in a previous post but I literally just saw this today...
A costume you can wear in one of the games, lol. Very on the nose!

Every /x/ thread that I read makes me understand more and more why the Roman response to Christianity was TCD.
Arthurian myth, strong monarchies and knightly orders were the only good things to come out of that religion, and I think that they exist in spite of Christian doctrine not directly because of it.

>>41018190
What are Christians doing to harm you right now? Really suspicious that you specifically hate Christians but don't mention another religion to hate.

>>41019035
Stop responding to him. He's a troll. Dont feed the troll. If he violates rules, like being off-topic or spamming, just report him.

>>41018190
100% agree with every point

>>41019035
>Really suspicious that you specifically hate Christians but don't mention another religion to hate
If your only moral high ground is that your opponents aren't hateful enough, or are insufficiently indiscriminate in their hate, aren't you kind of proving their point?

>>41019035
I already have "whataboutism," pick something else. Also, I don't hate Buddhists because I've never been exposed to them, and every American has been exposed to christfags.
>>41019191
Disagreeing with you, your religion, and your talking points isn't trolling. Trolling would be something to the effect of, i dunno, coming into a thread about an old European nature symbol and immediately calling it the epitome of evil.