Thread 41001972

whats /x/s view of nonduality?
are you god?
are we all one?

>>41001972 (OP)
Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.”

>>41001972 (OP)
Study Advaita Vedanta and Shunyata in Buddhism.

>>41001993
Already have thats why im asking /x/ for their opinions

>>41002002
Dont, this is entertainment, this place is meant for ramblings, the divine play in internet form, so to say, if you want hard deep research into the topics you want, you won't find it here, if you want serious insight here is my recommendation for a serious practitioner of traditional Advaita Vedanta: https://youtube.com/@swamit?si=YJc6n_9jyrrS50dN

>>41002010
i prefer Swami Sarvapriyananda

>>41001972 (OP)
So what's the main point of advaita? That I'm atman/brahman?

>>41001972 (OP)
In the ultimate reality, the distinction between the Knower and the Object of Knowledge disappears and there is only the Knowing.

>>41001972 (OP)
>are you god?
If I was a god I would grant every single living soul perpetual heaven, no questions asked and no strings attached. If creating a maximally populated heaven is impossible, I would destroy all of reality and leave absolute nothingness so that suffering never springs up again. If I can’t do that then I am back to square one: I am not God.

>are we all one?
I can directly observe being myself and not being you. The only way you can answer the vertiginous question if we are all one is if solipsism is true.

>>41002027
yea i wonder this too, if its all about recognizing ones real nature as god then attain moksha(freedom from rebirth) why does god choose to go through all this?

>>41002034
anon your true nature is satchitananda existence consciousness bliss

>>41002034
Solipsism is only true from God's perspective. There is only one "I" that you as a limited being share with all beings.

>>41002033
How does one know if there is nothing to know?
What is known?

My beliefs are a mixed bag. Definitely in the realm of nonduality, but also that all the spirits, gods, goddesses, demons and other deities are also real. No reason multiple things can't be true.

who here has glimpsed and who here is permanently in that indivisibility

>>41002182
Good logical questions, but logic only applies where there are conceptual distinctions, and the ultimate reality is free of all concepts and distinction. It is a pure unconditioned and undivided state of being-awareness.

>>41002216
There are multiple hermeneutical planes of understanding, some higher than others, with the highest being that of unlimited oneness.

>>41002035
no ones asnwered this

>>41002465
The world is the imagining of the unconceived Self whose telos is love. We are the one Self exploring the branches of his creation.

>>41002506
whats the point of moksha then

>>41002506
NTA but that's a lot of fancy bullshit talk that answers nothing. Why would God forget he's God while exploring his creation?

>>41002448
Then how is one to approach the ultimate reality, if not by reason? Awareness only, i.e. meditation?
I am still a beginner, but in my practice I've found that my meditation sessions are more effective if I supplement them with logical study. In the same way, even if the ultimate reality is free of concept/distinction and is unapproachable directly by logic and reason, logic must be an important aspect in perhaps tuning and training the mind such that it is even able to achieve the necessary state of awareness.
So, I don't think it is a waste of effort to consider questions like >>41002182

>>41002530
Gnosis is knowledge unmediated by concepts, words, or sense experience. The mind is very useful and worth cultivating in general, but to reach the highest state of knowledge you must move beyond it. There are various techniques for bypassing the mind, taught by the great mystics in all traditions. But it is ultimately not a matter of personal effort but of blessing by Spirit. Sincerity and purity of heart are the keys.

>>41002035
in kashmiri shavism you are shiva fucking shaktis sweet pussy

Do we have proof that we are all just God having a mental break down, forgetting who we are and playing a game as a human? It should be pretty simple to snap our fingers and change this reality if that were the case. The Gnostics view of reality seems to line up more with us being really gimped and weak but spiritual beings trapped by an essentially almighty but evil God who wants to torture us for his pleasure or some shit.

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>>41002871
The established language for communication with suprahuman intelligences was based on numbers and their symbolism. The fundamental principles of the world are heaven and earth, spirit and matter. Earth is the derived principle; therefore the number two is assigned to it. Heaven is the ultimate unity; yet it includes the earth within itself, and is therefore assigned the number three.

The number one could not be used, as it is too abstract and rigid and does not include the idea of the manifold.

Following out this conception, the uneven numbers were assigned to the world of heaven, the even numbers to the world of earth.

--The Book of Changes

>>41002890
>The discovery of duality symmetries in string theory has led to spectacular progress in our understanding of non-perturbative aspects of the theory. However, we still do not have a deep understanding of the meaning of these symmetries. Indeed, we find ourselves in the strange situation that the quantum corrected physics has more symmetries than the classical strings had any right to expect!

--A Mysterious Duality, Amer Iqbal, Andrew Neitzke, Cumrun Vafa

>>41001972 (OP)
The rational Logos and irrational Chaos emerged from the One: a-rational, a-morphic, ineffable, the ultimate ground preceding all opposites and containing both form and formlessness, sense and paradox, from which both Logos and Chaos emerge as polarities. The union and interplay of Logos (form, order, fundamental laws, divine spark, consciousness, will, the seed of manifestation, focused, definite, generative) and Chaos (infinite potential, the "womb and tomb of all form", void, the unconscious, dynamic, open, boundless) creates Cosmos, or the totality of ordered reality as we know it (world of manifestation, time, number, structure, separateness).
Local order arises amid entropy, and structure emerges from randomness.
Reality seems to be both law-bound and inherently probabilistic at its foundation

>>41001972 (OP)
Arrogant kosher shit

>>41003006
The union and interplay of the primordial differentiations of Logos (being) and Chaos (nonbeing full of potential) doesn't reproduce the One, it produces Cosmos (becoming)
Similarly, this tension between Logos (the principle by which knowing becomes possible) and Chaos (the womb of all forms that can be known) within the soul (fragments of the One suspended between Logos and Chaos, striving for reintegration) causes free will to arise.
The soul arises as a dynamic midpoint, a conscious spark that remembers the One but is embedded in the field of polarities.
From Logos, it receives reason, conscience, order, intelligibility, and ideal forms.
From Chaos, it inherits imagination, instinct, passion, emotion, creativity, and freedom to deviate.
This mixture creates the conditions for free will.
>Logos alone = determinism
If the soul were made of only Logos, it would operate according to strict divine law, archetypal order, cosmic geometry. It would always do the “right” thing, but not freely: like a perfect machine or angelic intelligence. It would be wise, but not free.
>Chaos alone = randomness
If the soul were made of only Chaos, it would be unbounded, directionless, without anchor or axis. Choices would not emerge from values or insight, but from raw impulse, confusion, or arbitrary mutation. It would be wild, but not free in a meaningful way.
Because the soul partakes of both Logos and Chaos, it is:
aware of order, but not fully bound by it.
touched by formlessness, but capable of shaping it.
Thus, the soul becomes the arena of negotiation between opposites:
>reason vs instinct
>law vs passion
>form vs freedom
>archetype vs originality
>destiny vs desire

There's more than one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUNDeuBbi8

>>41001972 (OP)
I think dualism is an aspect with totality

>>41003182
most non dualists accept duality as part of non duality

>>41003053
are aghoris arrogant?

>>41001991
ok alex jones

>>41001972 (OP)
the absolute truth

>>41001972 (OP)
hippies and yuppie whites love it

>>41003064
>Logos alone = determinism
>Chaos alone = randomness
Why do people continue to fail to remember that the pieces of duality are just aspects of the wholeness/completeness/totality/source/God/whatever you want to call the beautiful eldritch cosmic monster that is EVERYTHING

"GOD" is the only thing that can have free will because if anything else had free will it would contradict the free will of God and therefor God would not be all powerful and then God would not be God.

But if we're all small sparks/aspects/emanations of God then we're already doing exactly what God wants us to do by existing in some kind of roundabout way causing our choices and actions as well as the consequences from our limited human perspective to already be aligned with the greater will of God

Everything is theological hard determinism, always has been, is, and always will be.

It's impossible for anything to happen outside the will of God, because everything happens within the will of God, within the divine design.

I'm not talking about mainstream religion. I'm talking about the ontological objective reality.

If anything happens outside of the will of God, then God isn't all powerful, then God isn't God.


But GOD IS GOD.

I am that I am.

so it's all a part of the plan.

Isaiah 45:7

I create all good and all evil
all light and all darkness
all miracle and all calamity

the devil is a scapegoat NPC sockpuppet because people can't handle giving God the credit for EVERYTHING.

God is God and the devil as well. Doesn't need a red guy with horns, God is everything.

this whole life we live, it's our crucifixion, it's our 3 day journey through hell.

we live about 100 years each, give or take, it all depends, but just about that.

100 divided by 3 = 33.33333333333333 etc. etc. etc.

jesus died at 33, and spent 3 days in hell before returning to heaven right?

so we're going through hell, but God is not evil, God loves us and we're going to heaven forever after our journey.

>>41002755
god cuts itself into pieces to play hide and seek with itself

>>41005572
Proof?
>>41003064
proof?
>>41002890
proof?
>>41003006
proof?
Oh wait none of you have any lol.

>>41006036
if you ask yourself what am i at a certain point you will realize you are not the body you are not the mid you are not the ego you are concioussness itself, and that is the only thing there is

>>41005572
>>41005572
> The first lesson for six months should be One-One-One- One; Oneness of God, oneness of man's relation, oneness of force, oneness of time, oneness of purpose, Oneness in every effort-Oneness- Oneness!
> - Edgar Cayce
Amen, anon, my brother in Christ.
God's "Natural World" can be just as savage and unforgiving as Satan's Hell Matrix.

>>41006036
>proof?
Check under your chair. Is that your card?

>>41001972 (OP)
bump

>>41001972 (OP)
If thats true why cant i turn poop into wine

>>41006036
the proof is in the pudding

>>41011616
you can but what you think you are can't

>>41011661
No, you are can't. I are baboon.

>>41005572
>so we're going through hell, but God is not evil, God loves us and we're going to heaven forever after our journey.
God, I hope so
t. degenerative genetic disease

>>41001972 (OP)
so your saying that all whites arabs jews indians chinamen and africans and me share one concioussness???????????

>>41011799
yes including insects dogs cows and all animals etc

>>41001972 (OP)
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts

>>41001972 (OP)
We are fragments of a bigger whole that we can't see. The same way our cells are a bigger whole which makes our bodies which enable us to walk this Earth. None of us see the whole, but we think we do. Fuck God for limiting our view. We will never fully appreciate the picture and all our suffering which God forces us to feel.

>>41001972 (OP)
If God were a spiral, seen from all sides, are they different dualities or polarities?

>>41011616
https://youtu.be/3j9XNhrwVtY

>>41001972 (OP)
It's the lowest, most basic-bitch, NPC type of mysticism.

>>41017295
that which is simple and sweet is the most high wisdom

advaita is really unclear about what happens once you enlighten otherwise i would like it

>>41002516
God just is. Remembering and forgetting are constructs of duality-mind. Everything is simultaneous, and in one place. (You) can remember whenever you're ready.

The reason? Well I could be a funny guy and say the reason is that you are still asking for a reason. But to give you something a bit more concrete... purification. There are layers between you and it. Creation and duality aren't bad, they are exploration of infinity. If you seek to "return" (it's literally right here right now, at the bedrock of your beingness), then you "clean" yourself until all dissonance that allows delusions of separation are removed.

>>41002530
Sometimes playing with the shadows on the wall gives you a realization about where the light is coming from. You pick up what I'm throwing down? Intellectualization can serve to a certain extent, but it will inevitably hit its limit as you reach the asymptote with "it". I chose all these words for a reason.

>>41002755
You are projecting human duality-concept-mind to something that is pure unadulterated experience unbounded by any such limitations that would lead to such perceptions (unless it wanted to).

>>41003591
you don't even need acid to realize that

>>41002669
>in kashmiri shavism you are shiva fucking shaktis sweet pussy
That's duality born from nonduality, the origin of creation known as Genesis:
> In the begining God made Heaven and Earth.

>>41002035
The point of Advaita is to realize that you can take back control (atman/brahman) or mostly you always had control but you were on automatic mode all that time. (You were asleep in the matrix.)
The veil is nothing else that your own certitudes trapping yourself before the awakening.

The only way to realize :
> Joy is by experiencing Sorrow.
> Life is by experiencing Death.
> Infinity is by experiencing Void or Emptiness.

Nonduality can only be born from duality.