Thread 41017235

There are no aliums. Not on earth, at least. Interstellar travel is impossible.

Reason: people never take energy required into account whenever they talk about ways to travel long distances in space. They also don't consider the mass and gravity of the required energy.

The warp bubble is really rearranging energy equivalent to Jupiter, in its most optimal state. More if it's less than optimal. Which means that the spaceship would have to have an energy field that has the same mass as Jupiter, and therefore also the same gravity. Anyone inside the ship would be crushed by the sheer gravity of their bubble.

A ship traveling inside a warp bubble would wreak havoc on any solar system it passes through, because the gravity of the bubble is still felt outside of it. The Alcubierre drive arranges the bubble to be locally flat spacetime, supposedly protecting them from the gravity of their own warp bubble. However, once you return to regular spacetime, the energy of your bubble would collapse into a black hole, and crush the entire ship and everyone inside it.

Similar problems come with pretty much any hypothetical methods for interstellar. The second you ask about energy requirements, you immediately hit world-ending requirements. Light speed, for example. Requires infinite energy. And therefore the ship's energy source will have infinite gravity.

>>41017235 (OP)
It's crushing to think about it, because we want to travel to other worlds so badly. They has to be a way. But if it's true... UFOs/UAPs add another strange dimension for us. Because it means something is here that, that's not us, that didn't come from somewhere else, but came from here.

>>41017235 (OP)
You are beyond retarded. Lmao spbp

>>41017771
Feel free to provide actual scientific claims that would counter anything I've said.

>>41017235 (OP)
> Reason: people never take energy required into account whenever they talk about ways to travel long distances in space. They also don't consider the mass and gravity of the required energy.

Really? People NEVER take the energy required into account? You’re the first one, right here in this post?

>>41017235 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW44J7jaGgs

>>41017910
>Please explain a technology that has not been developed yet with our current models of the universe

Here's a tip smart ass, there are huge gaps in scientific theories that leave room for currently "impossible" ideas to come to life. I'm not anti science but your take on the topic is retarded

>>41017934
Like what? Anything specific that's not just scifi-fueled fantasy?

>>41017934
>Please explain a technology that has not been developed yet with our current models of the universe
I mean, that's essentially what I did with describing the warp bubble. It hasn't been developed. It's not a real technology that exists. If you have some sort of hypothetical mechanism that would make interstellar travel possible, while also not creating an apocalyptic demand of energy, with its corresponding gravity problem, I'd love to hear it.
As of now, all you've said is "Nuh-uh! You're a dum-dum!" Which isn't very convincing at all. It's just incredibly childish.

>>41017939
>>41017922

>>41017910
Here's a fucking alien to show how retarded you are.

>>41017922
>>41017989
Highly speculative and not peer-reviewed. He claims infinite energy, which he doesn't actually backs up with anything. Nothing in his materials explains where the supposed power comes from.

Propellantless doesn't mean they'll be fast enough for interstellar travel to any significant distance. Chase claims near lightspeed, which is incredibly slow on a cosmic scale. Any form of interstellar travel must somehow circumvent the lightspeed restriction in order to traverse space.

Time dilation also makes long travels essentially "a one-way" trip. I don't mean this literally, but when the space farers come how, they will come back to a completely different world, one that may have long forgotten them. If you Travel at light speed, or near it, and travel on a two hour trip back and forth (this would equal many lightyears in distance), when you come home, everyone you've known is dead. This is because of time dilation. If you travel any significant distance, all of human society will possibly cease to exist, and you better hope you find a new planet to live on.

So here's a new problem. You cannot travel within spacetime without time dilation. If an alien were to travel here from thousands of lightyears away, their planet might not even exist anymore by the time they get here. Even if they experienced the trip as very fast.

>>41018087
the man developed the compact fusion reactor for lockheed. peter thiel is now running a company creating a-neutronic fusion reactors. it's... the world's most open secret. you better hope for time travel, because your half-ass opinion stopped passing about a decade ago.

>>41018005
Anon, that's a shooped image. Someone took an image of a prop, manipulated it, and shooped it into the image

>>41018173
Forgot pic

>>41018177
DELETE DIS

>>41018102
>still posting this debunked webm
its time to let go

>>41018177
I fucking hate you. Good job "debunking" the greatest alien picture ever taken. The original is obviously authentic you fucking retard, fuck you with this retarded post.

>>41018425
>he fell for a prop
>he also actually believes the OPs retarded story of how he took the photo too
lmfao

>>41018429
Kys faggot. Trying to debunk the best alien photo ever is extremely bad karma to humanities' awakening, well done you retard.

>>41017235 (OP)
YOU IDIOTS JUST DON'T GET IT! YOUR MIND TRAVELS THROUGH THE UNIVERSE AS A LIGHT SIGNAL! ARE YOU 10 YEARS OLD OR WHAT? THE UAPS YOU SEE HERE ARE THE LIGHT SIGNALS OF BEINGS WITH HIGHER MENTAL STRENGTH, THAT'S WHY YOU CAN SEE THEM WITH THE NAKED EYE!

>>41018433
that sounds like a chatbot wrote your post
explain to a real OGfag how the OP of that image explained how he took that picture
we are waiting...

>>41018444
He saw a fucking alien and then took a picture of it, got it? Fuck you again.

>>41018449
>
wrong. thanks for proving to the thread that you're a shitposting larping newfag
imagine being you.

>>41018102
>appeal to authority
But he didn't invent interstellar travel, now did he? A fusion reactor is infinitely less complex than interstellar travel. And that's not dismissing the incredible technology of a fusion reactor. The whole point is that everyone, just like you, greatly underestimate the size of the universe, and the energy requirements.

For example, let's say they succeeded in making a fusion reactor that solved all current energy consumption of all countries. Ten of those would still not even be a fraction of what is required for even visiting the nearest solar system in a timely fashion. Even our moon is way further away than most people realize. The edge of our solar system is so far away that it would take Parker Solar Probe, the fastest manmade object 2 688 years to reach the outer edge of the Oort Cloud, while traveling 635,266 kilometers per hour.

Do you understand what I'm saying? You're not comprehending the scale which we are talking about. It's so far away that we can't even use kilometers when talking about distance, because the number would be too big. We have to use AU (Astronomical Units), and even then the numbers are just insane. So despite how amazing that fusion reactor is here on earth, on a cosmic scale it's less than an ant's fart is to our atmosphere.

>>41018465
Yeah, I'm literally right. He took a fucking picture of an alien, that's all I said you fucking imbecile.

>>41018487
still wrong. and no I will not spoonfeed you. I will just farm your frustrated replies for my amusement
imagine being me

>>41018493
>imagine being me
I'd rather not, I love being me more than anything. I don't need spoonfed, I read that fucking thread myself of that anon who took a picture of that alien, kys

>>41018500
no you didnt.

blud reallly thought he could lie like hes on plebbit and fool OG anons like me
>i-i was in that thread believe me brah
L O L
K E K

>>41018444
"chatbot" is a very generous term for a shitposting bot.

I can't help but noticing that OP is the only one who's actually making an argument rather than just shitposting.

Throwing a thing through space at the speed of light makes no practical or even logistical sense, correct, but there's all sorts of weird potential avenues of physics that could be tried, and we obviously don't have a complete or even necessary accurate model of the universe in the first place.

Whatever other intelligent entities here have been here forever anyway. They probably occasionally LARP as aliens, likely as a communicative mockery of the long-term glowie psyop mythologies of gray abductions.

>>41017235 (OP)
Lol, LMAO even.

>>41018087
Biosphere ship. Instead of leaving your solar system behind, build the spaceship around your solar system and take it with you.

>>41020271
because OP is a dumdum and his shit is all retarded and deserves no serious counter arguments anyway

>>41020284
>but there's all sorts of weird potential avenues of physics that could be tried
Like what? I would like to hear any alternatives, but no one has anything. I suggested what I think is the most likely option, warp bubbles, but the problems with it makes it completely unrealistic and unfeasible. Any allusions to some hypothetically unknown science doesn't really say anything. That's really just the same as saying "magic".

Is there any theories that don't rely on warp bubbles or lightspeed? I mean, wormholes is a theory, but it's completely speculative. And it's hard to survive infinite gravity, so you'd be spaghettified on an atomic level before even reaching the entrance. If the exit could be kept open (it wouldn't unless modified somehow), we would see it as a white hole, which has never been observed. So the issue with all proposed methods of interstellar travel rely on pretending physics can somehow cease to exist, just to make the idea work.

>>41018177
>OH FU-...

>>41020313
Nihilism is and always will be a cheap justification for authoritarianism and acts of terror
By their own logic all research and discoveries are inherently meaningless

So because humans haven't discovered or rationalized interstellar travel or faster than light travel, other civilizations can't do it.

Sometimes you can let physics do the bulk of the work for you.
Like heatpumps, that shit is magic.

Who says the only way to achieve FTL is through warping space a la alcubierre?
For all we know there is a way to rewrite locality, literally swap regions of space.
Maybe it's possible to pop through the surface layer of space, and let its surface tension yank you across near instantly.
Some very common magic fucking crystal that generates free gravity and inertial projection?

We don't fucking know shit.
The likelihood of them coming here is miniscule, especially since we would be very uninteresting to a species that has this ability.
Maybe we could be a charity project, or a fun ant farm for one of their kids.

>>41017235 (OP)
>>not on earth at least
>>denying every leaked real documents, vids, pics and testimonies.
Yeah they are in your ass. Faggot.

>>41018482
holy shit you actually believe space travel will work like driving a car from NY to commiefornia and that you have to take into account shit like energy consumption or travel length. does your tiny reddit peer review brain also think you'll land on a planet that perfectly matches your biology or that you'll need to spend resources to terraform it? kek qeq

>>41017235 (OP)
Human trying to human their way into space travel.

>>41017235 (OP)
Thinking inside the 3D box. "Interstellar" travel is possible by moving up into higher dimensions not bounded by time and popping back into the phase-space you need to. Merkaba.

Humans sure do love to project limitations as reality.

>>41017235 (OP)
Well, there's SOMETHING here...

>>41021118
It's paradoxically both degrading and narcissistic

>>41017235 (OP)
I thought this was a scene from that old movie “close encounters” but I don’t recall it being this vividly detailed, which made me think “it’s another bull shit a.i. video” then as I watched it,I couldn’t tell if it were. the physics seem real enough to me. Where when was this? and was Sammy confirmed the pilot?

>>41017235 (OP)
Basically this >>41021568 it quite obvious that a dimension we currently lack the cowtools to observe and measure properly is influencing our dimension

>>41021568
Ok, so how does this work exactly? And which "higher dimension" is traversable? How would a fictional chariot work? Are we talking about reality or Narnia? I know it's tempting to just say words you heard in a youtube video as if they mean anything, but they don't.

>>41021814
So other than Rick and Morty, what source is this belief based on? How much energy does it require? And can us 3D creatures even survive going into other hypothetical dimensions? Can you actually travel through dimensions, or is it really just a rhetorical tool physicists use to understand their own math?

This is the problem whenever I start challenging people's strongly held beliefs, taht they refuse to challenge themselves. I never get any solid response. It's either shitposting or just people parroting random words as if they are an explanation in and of themselves. Or it's just facebook motivationals like "everything is possible if you believe in yourself".

Give me something concrete, dude. Or else I'm just going to dismiss it as completely empty parroting of phrases. As it stands now, none of you seem to even be thinking people. Just meme copying machines.

>>41021793
I have no idea. It looks great, though. I figured it's probably from a game or movie. Could be from a high school project, for all I know.

>>41021568
>yfw
Literally none of that means anything.

>>41021607
this
OP is a fag as usual

>>41021964
Here's something concrete and you can put it in your pipe and smoke it.We don't have everything figured out and science changes all the time

>>41021118
Considering how dead-certain you guys are that it's possible, you don't provide any rational arguments for it at all. Not to mention that most of you will see a video of a party balloon and think it's a spaceship, without any other context at all.

>>41022014
See? Because you've based your beliefs on literally nothing, and let them solidify. Now you can't even argue for them at all, because you never thought through them at all. It's all just scifi brainrot. You're like those airhead women who insists you need to eat goji berries to "increase your vibrations". Doesn't mean a fucking shit. You lack critical thought.

Interdimensional travel, huh? Which dimension exactly should we use? Can't even answer that one, can you? Your beliefs are just based on movies and video games.

>>41017235 (OP)
The presence is real. Flying saucers are real
You can contact them using CE5.
You are just living inside a comfortable bubble of lies, keep living inside it, some people cannot handle the truth.
Some of use know the truth because we dared to believe and we were rewarded with a sighting, an encounter or an abduction.

>>41022255
>You can contact them using CE5.
>literally just imagination
cool beans

>>41017235 (OP)
>Muh pheezzeekal umposblity
Dood, them whitecoatniggas don't fucking know 90% of things by their own admitting, and you come here talking about impossible things?
Laughable

>>41021964
>what source is this belief based on?
The nature of the observable universe itself.
>>41021964
>And can us 3D creatures even survive going into other hypothetical dimensions?
Who knows, maybe one day
>Can you actually travel through dimensions
Most likely
>>41021964
>This is the problem whenever I start challenging cope cope cope cope
You're a bot or a glowie

>>41023071
>more nothing
I've literally begged for you to challenge my perspective, and you've failed miserably. At least you participated, sort of.

>>41023229
I accept your concession

>>41022493
What do you think imagination is?

>>41023262
In your head.

>>41021607
/thread

>>41017939
>Anything specific that's not just scifi-fueled fantasy?
X-rays didn't pop into existence when discovered in 1895. They were always there. People just didn't have a way of interacting with them prior to Röntgen.

Who knows what else is out there just waiting for us to discover it?

>>41018482
Never mind the energy requirements, just think of what would happen if the ship struck even the tiniest of objects at relativistic speeds.

>>41023430
How would a telepathic alien communicate with another being?