Thread 41030638

Anyone here into this stuff and practices?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aos0hnwiHt8

>>41030638 (OP)
oh boy a mo pai thread
qigong threads always bring out an interesting brand of retard
mo pai threads especially
even if you believe in the mo pai stuff, iirc, john chang got busted by the ancestors of his lineage for showing off to westerners and stopped teaching publicly
even back 10-15 years ago people were struggling to piece together the pieces from rumors and hearsay and at most people thought they figured out the first one, two, maybe three levels
the chances of anyone having real mo pai are pretty much close to zero

better bet is to go after someone who is teaching publicly
longmenpai (Dragons Gate) is being taught by Wang Liping and books by Nathan Brine. Wang Liping was featured in the book "Opening the Dragons Gate" and has his own magical mystical stories attached to him.

There are other Qigong teachers out there teaching solid stuff, B.K. Frantzis has been at it a while as well as Damo Mitchell.

None of them are shooting fireballs though, so depends on what you want out of life.

>>41030638 (OP)
Enter Mo Pai, Van Gelder
Works by Jeff McDuffie

This shit glows, hard
>>41031229
And so does this shit

>>41031248
I prefer Chaos Magick, desu.

>>41030638 (OP)
Wtf? Is that mans into the "C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!" irl?

>>41031287
That glows too

>>41031342
VGH
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos_all.php

One of the better threads gets a bump

>>41030736
According to John Chang in the Magus of Java (page 51), the secret to filling the dan tien is semen retention paired with yogic breathing exercises and meditation. Semen retention and yogic breathing generates ching (essence), the precursor to ch'i. In order to transmute ching into chi, you must meditate down into the theta state (where your mind separates from your body) for roughly 80 hours total. Once you hit that mark you are supposedly able to feel a dense amount of chi in your lower dan tien.

In short, don't nut and practice Wim hof method paired with transcendental meditation daily.

>>41032624
Who IS this Dan Tien guy?

>>41032668
Hahahahahahaha.

>>41032624
what if i told you he's not the only one who says that and its not secret kek

>>41032624
Wim Hof method is a load of shit, other than that this protocol seems reasonable.
t.someone who has learned from a different lineage

>>41032624
>Semen retention and yogic breathing
Do you know if there's a solution for guys (especially ones who might have yang constitutions) who do the above, but experience trapped heat in the head and headaches? But no meditation, and the simpler version (no locked tongue suction on the roof of the mouth) of yogic breathing. Meaning, just synchronizing a Kegel hold with an inhale. So:
1. Inhale while doing a Kegel hold.
2. Hold one's breath while holding the Kegel hold.
3. Wait until the body is ready for another breath.
4. Exhale while releasing the Kegel hold.
5. Rinse repeat.

we are gonna have super powers, bros

Practicing standing while sinking the energy (sung) has really helped me chill out. Also more energy. Semen retention also works, but you can build up too much of a charge if not transmuting properly.

>>41032776
I have a yang constitution and I prefer to bring energy down from the upper dantien (heart chakra) into the lower to feel power there. My energy naturally rises and stays in the upper centers and my sacral feels pretty empty most of the time if I don’t circulate it down. Try circulating it down. The end goal is balance throughout all of your energy centers and the ability to move energy in a smooth circuit where you want it to go without blocks. Trying to blow out your crown can cause problems for someone who is not used to energy residing there. Hope you get something out of this comment.

Yall niggas don't even know how to meditate though. You dont know nothing bout no jhana, no samadhi, no trataka, and no Raja yoga

Do you think you could speed up the process if you put a magnet/electrostim on your perineum?

>>41034073
chinese bro

>>41034073
He's a taoist bvll

>>41030638 (OP)
Tried it for a while. It made me uncomfortably angry and violent albeit abnormally strong. I'm not a warrior so I work with the soul star instead of the lower dantian. I may be physically much weaker now but I'm happy and I easily make friends.

>>41030638 (OP)
>Anyone here into this stuff and practices?
Plenty of anons into qigong, taichi and other similar eastern spiritual practices.
Mo Pai however is discouraged. As >>41030736 mentions all the materials circulating publicly on the practice are incomplete, usually bits and pieces from Chang's students who broke/fell off early so people going into it tend to not achieve much or often get minor, vague results followed immediately by severe issues stemming from their incomplete, unbalanced practice leading to deviation and disruption of their physical and subtle bodies, often leading to chronic health issues and even organ failure. Like building a building or an electric device with only part of the materials and schematic and then winging the rest. May look impressive at first but will turn into a pile of junk or violently break apart into rubble and shrapnel the moment you'll try to put it to use.

>>41034073
Yes. Most anons are armchair magicians at best. Lots of tidbits of knowledge, tons of books but no will to practice to experience things.

>>41035436
Soul star? What kind of LARPy terminology is that? I mean, care to tell us and give us resources on what tradition you pursue?

>>41035460
oh yes, i have been told in many cases it leads to serious health issues

>>41035462
It's the one above the crown.

John Chang here, I AM

>>41036611
these niggas making up new chakras lmao

>>41030638 (OP)
Never found a qi gong method that allowed me to quickly begin to feel qi energy for the first time. Nothing emboldens practice like an undeniable life changing experience.

Oh and please don't mention that usual one of feeling the warmth between your hands after rubbing the palms together and them slowly moving your palms apart and then close to eachother back and forth. It doesn't work and it keeps getting posted over and over online. I swear there should be some kind of standardized simple method by now in some specific qi gong practice, but even if it does exist I just can't find it.

I'll bookmark this thread and check again tomorrow, hopefully someone posts such a method.

Everything I've read online is about that Mo Pai stuff causing people injuries, even posts from people that practiced it. Avoid that nonsense, it's pieced together information and it seems like the important pieces that ensure safety and proper training are missing.

>>41040008
Standing practice combined with sung (sinking) for about fifteen minutes and you should start to feel the chi.

>>41030638 (OP)
saw a youtube vid of one of his students using force pull on some cans on a basement window sill in 2012 but haven't been able to find it since

>>41040118
Was just about to go to sleep and saw your post.
1. Do you mean Zhan Zhuang?
2. Is there a specific named book, or specific named lineage/style you derived this method from (e.g. Spring Forest Qigong)?

Your response seems legit, but it's too general, it would be great if you could state something specific, especially if it is the method you used to feel chi. I don't even have any context of what "sung" is and I'd likely be missing whatever fundamentals or prerequisites I may need to even do the practice right and even do what is required to feel chi (that's why I want specifics, specifics remove as much doubt, confusion, overthinking, etc. as possible).

>>41040148
I remember that one

>>41040158
>Do you mean Zhan Zhuang?
Yes, but I do it with arms at my side with armpits open.
>Is there a specific named book, or specific named lineage/style you derived this method from (e.g. Spring Forest Qigong)?
Energy Gates Qigong. I'm a relative beginner so I just use Frantzis' Opening the Energy Gates of the Body.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nkMa5N8ZAG8
Paul Cavel has some good stuff as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZu2ShAhkAI

>>41040346
Came across this in relation to the sinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xi9v0R2PMk

>>41032802
two more weeks right ? lets GOOOOO!!!

>>4103813
give us a routine to practice also some videos or books to look over thank you sir

>>41040346
seconding for Bruce Kumar Frantzis and Paul Cavel
their system focuses heavily on the downward flow and sinking chi so if you are looking to get good with standing and sinking start there

>>41040596
heard good things about damo mitchell but only read one of his books, he describes similar sinking processes so if he resonates with you cant go wrong as far as i know

I'm largely metal-water based with a spark of yang fire and no earth to ground me. I find visualizing or feeling my qi as water (or syrup in the case of yin) flowing down into a gourd helps bring/keep it down. When my yang rises my body moves syrupy yin down and the yang follows (I say my body because I don't force it, I just... "know" that's what it needs and my body follows suit. If you try to force it, you just create more yang). Don't know if that visual can help anyone else who has trouble with yang rising, but it's what works for me.

>>41041459
the main thing to be careful of with visualizations is, especially if you are good at it, you can visualize a lot of stuff but that doesnt mean its happening in your body or your energy
ideally you want to shoot for a felt sensation in your body
now, if you have good sensitivity in your body and your visualization can induce that felt sensation, you're probably ok
but especially a lot of beginners start with visualizing or trying to get the right image or analogy in their head when really they need to be looking for a feeling

So if i get a head rush and start convulsing until I have to stop before I disintegrate I guess there's something going on.

>>41042125
just dont give yourself a seizure
focus on downward energy

>>41042132
I can handle the energy if I keep it outside of my body. It's too big to fit in a small vessel.

>>41042125
>I guess there's something going on.
Oh yes, however like these other anons have recommended, focus on bringing the energy downward, into the feet and ground. The initial phases of practice should be about sinking and grounding energy.
>ideally you want to shoot for a felt sensation in your body
Seconding this.

>>41041991
That's a good point. When I say my body does it, I feel the heavy yin sink and the rised yang drain down after - it's not purely visual. I'm not really sure how you'd sink your yang if you can't feel anything at all (how do you even know you have rising yang problems if you can't feel it?), someone with 0 feeling is probably better off with other methods

>>41032776
>But no meditation
retard

>>41040148
they only did it with help from john
who is now ded

>>41030736
>>41035460
good, there are non-retards itt
these guys are correct

>>41030638 (OP)
Although I'm a fan of many Eastern spiritual practices, it's also full of conmen and charlatans. I would imagine that extraordinary capability would not be televised, but just never shown off.

>>41043046
they fear outsiders learning about it and using it for evil, although john chang have taught several westerners and even allowed them to journal and share what they have learnt