Thread 41032222

Please help me understand /x/ bros.
If all my memories and everything will be erased before reincarnation what difference does it make in compassion to void/non-existence? If after my death I won't get access to my previous incarnations why I'll be stupid enough to "try again"?

>>41032222 (OP)

Theological answer: To atone for mistakes, sins, or negative karma accumulated in this lifetime.

Theological answer #2: To continuously participate in shaping the story of mankind through participation over lifetimes.

Metaphysical answer: Your 'soul' or animating force exists within a contained information field, and has nowhere to go except into a new body / vessel.

>>41032222 (OP)

Continuity of observer effect. All of us unravel existence by observing it. You affirm existence by existing. For existence to be true, it must be be witnessed. If all of us died and stopped existing, there wouldn't be any more existence, because there would be nobody to witness it.

>>41032294
this story isn't that interesting, it's begging for a mercy killing

>>41032329
Well then you know the way out, but you'll be back LOL

>>41032222 (OP)
Checked quads
I assume time doesn't really exist or matter outside of this place. I assume outside here "I" play games by limiting "myself" and I'll just be here until I decide not to be. We forget because that's what the game is
"I" probably includes everyone including (You)

>>41032294
>within a contained information field
why does this magical field cannot keep memories of my past lives?
>>41032328
>Continuity of observer effect
ok but why not just create new "soul" for each new life?

>>41032357
Believe it or don't

>>41032294
>Theological answer: To atone for mistakes, sins, or negative karma accumulated in this lifetime.

See this right here has never sat right with me. How can you atone for something you can't remember doing? You can't remember these actions you're being punished for from a previous life. You might not even have a similar personality. There's no way for you to truly be sorry for the actions or the karma with no memory of the acts. How can you be the same person that committed the acts if that person is dead? It's really just punishing someone else for the sins of another, it might as well be original sin.

>Theological answer #2: To continuously participate in shaping the story of mankind through participation over lifetimes.

More reasonable of an answer I expect that if the source could be said to want or desire anything that would be new experiences.

>Metaphysical answer
What about the pleroma?

>>41032357
>ok but why not just create new "soul" for each new life?

Laws of Thermodynamics
Energy does not disappear, it transforms

>>41032355
>"I" probably includes everyone including (You)
that will give this whole ordeal some sense

>>41032401
>What about the pleroma?

Existence above existence is a non-existent state. It becomes circular reasoning if you engage with the concept logically, but the Hermetic Gnostic would argue that Pleroma cannot be defined so logic, so we have a philosophical and teleological stalemate.

>>41032407
He's technically right to a degree. See picrel - every triangle cluster at the bottom feeds into the triangle cluster at the top, with the serpentine middle as the separation between 3D/4D.

>>41032420
would've been smart to attach picrel

>If all my memories and everything will be erased before reincarnation
memories are just a perspective of an event, if the event can be reconstituted then one's experience can be conjured, given certain preconditions
>what difference does it make in compassion to void/non-existence?
assuming you meant 'in comparison' and to answer, you are more than your experiences.
>If after my death I won't get access to my previous incarnations why I'll be stupid enough to "try again"?
the purpose of all and any life is to individuate to a significant degree of oneself. you can get access to previous incarnations, but compared to the process of becoming they -- especially at the beginning -- are basically window dressing. First things first, you know?

>>41032401
>How can you atone for something you can't remember doing?
In a near death experience the life review is said to be unbelieveably intense and can feel as if it lasted a lifetime. Nearly all the experiencers change their personality to be much better person.
My theory is during the life review your subconsious takes this to heart and shapes your personality for your next life. That could be why some people are naturally greedy assholes or kindhearted or any other personality trait. Our best traits is a reflection of what we've learned in a past life.

Yes I am aware of the flaws in this theory but I'm just trying to make sense of it.

>>41032401
I’ve never seen persona before. It says online that its fullness with Christ. I’m confused, does this mean a loss of self and absorption into the ether or a recognition of oneness but keeping the concept of individuality?

>>41034234
Pleroma***

>>41032222 (OP)
You do get access to previous lives after death. You can even access them in this life if you work at it enough. The life of Edgar Cayce is a good example of how previous incarnation can affect us.
Your physical body can have the memory wiped but your soul always remembers. Also planets closer to the galactic center remember more of their previous lives

>>41032294
Very good answer but I will say that you can live non physical incarnations, choose to be an elemental or guardian spirit. Work as a DMT jester, guide of souls, akashic records librarian, etc
I suspect most if not all of us have been what we would call angels

>>41032401
Some people choose to live a life of limitation to make up for not better using these gifts.
I once lived a life where I cursed others, black magic, where I didn’t fight but caused drama through ritual voodoo type behavior. My next life I chose was as an animal used to fight. In that life I learned what it was like to live and die like a weapon and animal instead of sacrificing animals as a weapon
It’s not about you as a person. The truth is the angels and higher beings don’t care about you (the meat suit that lives and dies in a blink of an eye) they care about your soul.
I remember reading about a person who killed themselves in WW1 during trench warfare because they couldn’t take all the death and blood. Decomposing bodies in a trench, watching buddies die for bankers and elites. They chose to reincarnate in a body of a baby that his WW1 friend and current wife decided to abort. To burn that suicide karma quick and if the couple didn’t abort him, he would’ve been born deformed and died young

>>41035216
Was just trying to cover the main bases but yes I suspect you're right, especially if there is a cycle between reincarnations.

I estimate it to be around 720 years between earthly reincarnations but that's based on my own hypotheses.

If 360 degree loop is 'eternal' life, and the life of man is 120 (as mentioned in Exodus) that gives us 480 (gematrically Sitra Achra, Lilith), and we know that 1080 is a division of time, which makes >1080 outside of time, with 1200 as Gavriel (Judgement).

So die, go through 480, shoot past 1080 into 1200 (judgement outside of time), that leaves a remainder of 720 (1080-360), and we start from 1080 instead of 1200 because 1200 is already outside of time.

A lot can happen in 720 years of soul-travel.

>>41032222 (OP)
reincarnation is a lie, that's why it isn't making sense to you OP - God doesn't want you stuck on a pointless cosmic merry-go-round, He wants us to be with Him forever, in paradise, as sons and daughters. He has revealed His nature, truth, grace, love and plan through Jesus Christ.

There are many, many lies in the world, and only one truth - it is Jesus Christ; it might seem hard to believe, but it's the power of God to make it so simple to understand. If it really is the truth, ask Him to show you, in meekness and in faith. God bless.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwJbS6jl_V0

>>41035366

You didn't ask, but an important thing to mention: The reason we add 120 to 360, instead of subtract, is because God is adding a surplus to man, not necessarily a deduction. Its the preprogrammed activation of mitochondria apoptosis. Ever wonder why mitochondria is stimulated under 480 nm wavelength?

>>41032222 (OP)
Reality is a machine that turns divine light in to suffering.
Couldn't tell you why, though.

What's the point? Wrong question. What's the alternative?

>>41032222 (OP)
Well, I don't believe reincarnation happens.

When someone thinks they receive memories from a "past life", it could be information transferred from that person, directly or indirectly. Gods can access any time, of course.

>>41035468
>low IQ take

>>41032222 (OP)
The point is to stop you from being free. If you keep coming back to this proto Hell then you will never be free and you will be here for ever working and they will consume your energy in the form of work and other things, feelings and so on. They want to extract the juice from your soul.

>>41032222 (OP)
if you didn't reincarnate the suffering would end at some point.

>>41035381
360 degrees is a circle because some babilonians choose this number instead of 100 720 or another

480nm - meters ware "invented" by french much more later

so your schizo math """working""" is also an accident

>>41036186
That's what makes it incredible

>>41036097
Reincarnation cycles take 25,000 years and it’s still nothing compared to how infinite we all are.
Your whole mindset sounds powerless and sad. Take responsibility and control of your life, something we would all be better off doing.
>earth is a hell trap
What a pathetic way to live your life

>>41035424
Based mindset
>>41036151
Heaven is so comfy and love filled that our souls chose the suffering of physical existence

>>41032222 (OP)
If you has truy evolved the wisdom makes part of you, and not of your physical memory.
The memory is erased because the cultural environment might be changed, when you are reborn, so whatever you remember could handicap your development in that new context.

>>41032222 (OP)

Your ego, your soul, is like a kilobyte of data.

When you die, this kilobyte of data goes back to the Source, which It incorporates into the broader field of information.

You are then 'erased', like a USB drive being reformatted, and sent back for more data collection.

Our souls are basically data reports to the Source.

>>41036097
this. reincarnation is normie cope, or worse. you're a wage slave for someone else's profits and then you die and that's how it is for 99 percent of the population.

>>41032222 (OP)
>the quads demand answers
Ok. tdlr; It’s for your eternal soul’s education.
It’s not exactly mandatory but you are a fragment of a larger being, if you don’t reconnect with it you can get lost in this world’s reincarnation cycle and not return to the source - which isn’t really “God” but your higher self who is seeking something bigger than you can imagine.
Life is like being that one space marine who loses his memory and lives on a feudal world protecting villagers. Some of the people here are just small souls without lines of connection to anything higher. They originally came here from a higher source but they have been asleep for so many reincarnation cycles they are independent of whatever they originally came from. You could say they are imprisoned here, or they forgot, or they’re not tied to their old higher callings and are independent. That lack of connection to their higher selves makes them weak and similar to the “villagers” that the space marine protects. If you remember who you are, you might not be a real super human badass irl but you are far more advanced than most other’s that you’re spiritually a space marine even if you don’t fully remember your “chapter’s” name or your real name. So people who just woke up are kind of like a space marine with amnesia. The trick is to get your identity back or create a new one.
Just the fact that a person knows they have a higher self puts them in an elite category compared to people who don’t know. The real trick is figuring out how to access (and then process) past life memories and getting in contact with your higher self. If you can do this without going schizophrenic, then you have the tools to do other things like manipulate reality to a certain extent via magic, or non-magic like writing a book. I gained past life memories without magical practice but through concentrated meditation and revelation through my dreams.

Here’s a good example of why we reincarnate
D: is Dolores Cannon
S: is the subconscious of the client under hypnosis
Page 132

>>41039118
>one learns what is perfect by experiencing that which is not.

>>41039118
>>41039135

Here’s a chapter called “So Called ‘Bad’ Lives”
In this part she describes different levels of schools, retreats and a spiritual hospital to help those souls learn from their mistakes
Specifically Hitler on these pages

>>41032222 (OP)
If you retained all of your memories and thoughts then the story would get stale and stupid. Your higher self and the void itself take care of all of those things.
Trust God's process.

>>41032546
>My theory is during the life review your subconsious takes this to heart and shapes your personality for your next life. That could be why some people are naturally greedy assholes or kindhearted or any other personality trait. Our best traits is a reflection of what we've learned in a past life.
I think that is a nice theory. That's imo your higher self retaining the distilled version of your goodness which indeed shapes the "heart" of the future you.

>>41039299
Oh also humanity is the one doing things wrong. Then in our hubris we either blame God or assign it to randomness (a lie)

>>41032222 (OP)
Its one conciousness stemming from the field. The consciousness only "separates" only via perception of time.
Hope this helps.

To become the baddest mtffkker. You worship to a god? you are weak. Politically it is a political conscious form for humanity.

>>41032222 (OP)
no point. its fake. don’t waste your time on that.

>>41035424
Boredom, the other anon already answered but:
There are other souls that have never been incarnated, that are just feeling pleasure all the time, and if they dare to step out of it, they miss the pleasure and come back.
We were the kind of souls that were bored of it, that wanted to know how all other things feel like.
Specially... free will.
Apparently, this world isn't about the material and physicality of it, it's about free will, the other souls I'm talking about don't have it and have to follow what happens like leaves in the wind, the only option they have is to have free will and see how's it like.
You, me, and the others like us couldn't take the same things over and over, life is different, you didn't like the alternative, most dead people come back in 16 months in average because they get bored of the alternative again.

>>41039856
Very true

>>41032222 (OP)
Don't think about it too hard
>>41032294 's post is probably the most hopeful version(s) of the answer

>>41039290
>Client: Hi, can you help me with my problems?
>Dolores Cannon: No, let's talk about Hitler's problem with his father first.

>>41032222 (OP)
Because deep down 99.999% of humanity do not want to leave their lives behind. Even if it sucked they want to keep on living it. So they keep returning to it over and over again.

>>41035216
Westerners seem to never really grasp this one but it is present in Buddhist theology. That humanity is relatively rare among all the different types of incarnations that one could have. Majority of them being non physical like this.

>>41032222 (OP)
You already don't remember the vast majority of your life. Even the moments which you cherish most are really fuzzy, aren't they? That doesn't mean those events were meaningless.
A lot of similarities with this thread:
>>41031826

>>41032222 (OP)
>>41032294
OP asked for a point of meaning outside the cycle, a grander purpose. You're giving "how" answers, not "why" answers.
At the end of the day all your reasons are basically
>continue the simulation so that it keeps running
Probably not what you intended, but you're correct in a sideways sort of way. The fact that no one really knows should give you a clue that there is no point other than to keep the system running. Depending on how you view the system, it's a game at best and a living hell nightmare at worst.

>>41032401
Trust your gut. Atoning for sins and cosmic school argument don't make sense given memory wipe and the fact that everyone suffers regardless of their choices, and constantly. Also the fact that a being has to atone for "mistakes" made in a simulated reality (a game) with suffering that feels extremely real is maddenly sadistic. Even the fact that a person has to suffer to grow in and of itself is beyond insane. Basically torture simulator.
Think about it. Just being alive is torture. Retarded dense but fragile body, feels like ass to move around. Brains dumb as fuck, can't even comprehend more than 2 variables at a time without machines or pen and paper. Constant questioning with no real answers. Fear as the base code of the game. It's a nuthouse man

>>41035236
Sounds made up to me. How can you possibly know about your or your friend's previous lives?

>>41040143
I'll add on that I don't actually believe you necessarily lose everything about yourself (memories, personality, etc) anyway. The common perception of reincarnation is that you are one type of animal and then sequentially become other people or animals over time. I don't really see the time element the same way, and as others have pointed out, you won't necessarily have a physical body.

Personally I see "you" as being like a shadow on the wall cast by a higher-dimensional object which casts other shadows, both simultaneously and sequentially. Like the fire might go out, erasing all the shadows, but it is relit 10 years later, and one of the many shadows can't tell the difference and thinks he's the real deal, the one and only.

>>41040211
Past life regressions are a simple way. Some are lucky enough to have memories at a young age. The CIA supposedly has a computer that keeps track of everyone’s past lives. There’s psychics who can access the Akashi’s records. Meditation is another popular method. I mean this shit is pretty well known in many esoteric schools and goes back before recorded history

>>41032546
Thats how I see it, your previous life events and actions shape your next, at least who YOU are on a spiritual mumbo jumbo level

>>41032222 (OP)
I do understand the purpose and benefit of reincarnation in terms of living new lives for new experiences.
But i DO NOT understand the necessity of forgetting the memories of previous lives. Or even just the memory that it is just one incarnation. It does not make sense to me why this is seen as some mandatory thing. Surely if you aren't stupid enough you can live more lives even knowing each one is just a temporary thing, you don't need to think that each life is the only one and go in with a blank state. I simply don't get it, why do I need to forget?

>>41041014
It’s not mandatory. You don’t even have to incarnate in the flesh.
There’s many planets where you keep all your memories but were further from the galactic source on the outer edge of the Milky Way so it’s much harder to remember your past lives. There’s actually a select number of souls incarnating in the flesh for the first time here and they have to take imprint lives just so they can function. Otherwise simple arguments would send them into constant anxiety
TLDR you chose to play the game on hard mode

>>41040004
The conversation can be healing and explain the different levels of the astral realms. It was the subconscious of the client who brought up Hitler as an example. The knowledge the client gains is healing no matter what example they use.
I think the RA material mentions something similar about Hitler but I can’t remember if RA brought it up or Don Elkins asked specifically about him

>>41041014
I remember hearing that the reason we forget is so that we are all on a equal level, many people (like most members of this board) have lived many lives all over the universe not just earth;
However many more souls have only just hopped into this game for the first time.

we would have an unfair advantage over the "bots"/hylics.

>>41037991
>Take responsibility and control of your life
Fuck you. What an NPC tie responde level. aha Get control over my life? How? Human beings are not in control. There's no way for a human being to take control of his or her life. What a non sense think to say. How can I raise above all the laws and restrictions that are set in place in this reality and take control of my life? Non sense.

>What a pathetic way to live your life
Are you telling me that there are not traps in this reality? Are you telling me that this world is free of things which will trap you which we call traps? aha You are a fucking idiot. Why am I listening to you? aha

>>41032222 (OP)
You have to reincarnate to evolve and learn all the lessons of earth. You were chosen for this time. When you die and cross back over out of the earth plane, you'll get back your memory of who you really are and all your lifetimes. Your memory is only erased when you're born as a human, you get it back as soon as you die and cross over.

SPIRIT GUIDES SPEAK OUT! HOPEFUL Channeled Message A NEW EARTH Is Being Birthed NOW!" | Jamie Butler

https://youtu.be/6WHVyRnOclE?si=lYo159sptsvCuKAR

>>41032294
What sense does it make to require atonement from a completely new and unrelated person? May as well exact contrition from an orphan in Zimbabwe.
It's also not a very logical or efficient process, is it? Since the new person literally could not have learned or remembered any lessons from "their" previous life.
As for "information field"... you said it was contained? But it has nowhere to go? Well, which is it? Is your self contained within an information or is it not? What is this "information field", exactly? Why are you conjecturing about it if it doesn't actually serve any purpose?
So, ultimately, you have COMPLETELY failed to address any of the OP's questions.

Keeps you going...
Other wise...
Death becomes bad company...
Well that's wot dad tells...
His daughter...

>>41040954
Is it possible to learn this power? Where do I start?

>>41040024
Am I in the 0.001%? I'm pretty sure I know exactly where I'm going in the next life (it's not here) and I am completely fine with leaving this world behind, including all the attachments to all the people I've known here too. I'm sure I will be taking lessons I've learnt, and my current karma, but that's about it. My memory will have a soft reset and then I will be living in some distant realm, far from here. Have I unironically broken out of the cycle? Or am I still in it, just living in a different planet/universe?

>>41042678
Cry some more baby bitch.

>>41042719
Zoom out left brained faggot.
It’s not about the person. The spirit world only cares about your spiritual development. They will literally let you burn to death in a car crash (happens everyday)
Do you say what sense does it make to die in call of duty?
It’s just a fucking game
No one cares about you on that side. Your angel laughs when you trip. You have infinite lives to get it right