Thread 41035197

I realize that ICP tapped into something very ancient with their craft . They represent the holy fool, jesters, hayookas. The dark carnival is like the shadow psyche of society. They are like ancient jesters in the kings court of society mocking convention and revealing truth. They skillfully play the part of the fool to tease out deep wisdom. They represent an archetype that spans across culture and history to the very dawn of human civilization. Juggalos represent, in modern times, a social role that has manifested in every generation since the beginning of time. They're the Dionysian, the trickster, Loki. They're the gypsies, the carnies, the thugs, the bards, the minstrels, the freaks, the clowns. They tapped into something really deep and primal and sacred

>>41035197 (OP)
This archetype is further represented by people like Jim Carrey, Roy Jay, and also by characters like "The Green Man" and the "Wild Man" which also coincidentally represent Pan or Nephilim as well. I theorize the central core entity being alluded to with all these characters is Lucifer or even just the Antichrist. It seems to important to the elites to be anything less than their own idol himself.

Well, the final joker card of the first deck was the wraith. On that album, they revealed that the path to Shangi-la was basically the path to heaven. The jokers were life's tests along the way.

https://youtu.be/Ooa6eVeMpZs?si=VRdGATpeWToSg2qY

The fool in the tarot deck essentially plays the same roll. The joker cards are the holy fool's journey.

I find it interesting people see jesters and clowns on DMT. The archetype is trans dimensional

>>41035197 (OP)
Absolutely. And what's so fascinating about it is they just stumbled into it. They were just suburban rappers who started dressing up like clowns because It was popular in the early 90s. They weren't sitting around in a college library reading about mythology and archetypes. Everything old is young again. It's great.

>>41035197 (OP)
every ICP fan (juggalo) i have encountered irl has been a mentally ill dysgenic subhuman of the highest calibur.

>>41038061
>calibur

>>41037268
>They weren't sitting around in a college library reading about mythology and archetypes. Everything old is young again. It's great.

It shows how real the collective unconscious is, the fact it was accidental.

>>41038061
Cry about it.

>>41038061
>every ICP fan (juggalo) i have encountered irl has been a mentally ill dysgenic subhuman of the highest calibur.

It just goes with the territory.The entire juggalo ethos is about the seedy underbelly of society. The carnival itself is a liminal space and real world manifestation. In a small town, the carnies and clowns are the freaks and dregs that show up yearly.

>>41038061
>dysgenic
Post face, coward.

The whole concept of the carnival itself represents the condition of carnality itself. Life is like a dark carnival, and it's filled with spiritual traps and pitfalls along the journey of you get ensnared you fall into hells pit. If you make it through, you ascend to Shangrila , or heavenly paradise. Jack Jackal represents how life, is like juggling fire, and if you fuck up, you fall into the fore. It's easier than you realize, especially I'n place like southwest detroit filled with plenty of snares, like drugs, violence, prostitution, etc.

>>41038176
>In a small town
Greetings.. from beyonnnnd the quary

The hatchet man to me captures the knight of swords in tarot. It represents decisive action and clear direction in the life path. It's braving adversity.

The knight of swords also represents clear communication, something ICP is all about

>>41035197 (OP)
>here's why my stupid niggerish subculture that no one can stand is historically significant
>i am somebody
it's not. and neither are you.

>>41038241
>>In a small town
>Greetings.. from beyonnnnd the quary
https://youtu.be/qmPiZewDayA?si=HECF_xczUhYyHJMh

https://youtu.be/-NWR5cHpJKo?si=E0ZGf3YWEL6MJ39a

I was thinking of Terrence McKenna when he related machine elves to carnivals in small towns

>>41038321
>it's not. and neither are you
Are you somebody? Does being a dick online fill your life with meaning and purpose?

>>41035197 (OP)
And?

>>41035197 (OP)
lol

WOOP WOOP

>>41035197 (OP)
also their musics fuckin sweet
i dont know shit about any of this stuff but i fuckin love icp especially the great milenko and bang pow boom albums

>>41035197 (OP)
>ICP
>Truth
>Wisdom

So the thread is a joke, right? They haven't "tapped into" anything. Not on purpose. They're fucking dunces. I've heard their interviews. Just dirtbags with low class and shit taste who sort of made it in rap. Cult following. No mainstream recognition as anything other than a hate group/gang in the eyes of the government. A joke like Nickleback to actual music fans.

Here's your average card-carrying "Juggalo". He even did time for assaulting and robbing innocent people with his Juggalo gang.

>>41040433
>>41040415
Eternal holier-than-thou redditors in this thread are much more cringeworthy than any juggalo. I don't have any connection to this subculture but I'd rather be a clown on the fringe of society than such a boring square with a boring life.
>>41038061
>calibur
found the subhuman

>>41042894
They hate it because it's genuinely one of the most inclusive and understanding subcultures in society

>>41035197 (OP)
they knew the Illuminati were behind Chris Benoit's death. They revealed it in a song and Donald Marshall confirmed that they wanted him dead since they had beef. https://youtu.be/Lv_P-E-fplk?si=GFnvsn5doi-dVM6w
22:26 in their song Chris Benoit backmasked they admitted he was an Illuminati sacrifice

>>41042913
24:20 more specifically I meant.

>>41040341
>i dont know shit about any of this stuff but i fuckin love icp especially the great milenko and bang pow boom albums

Fuck yah. No I was just high over analyzing it.

>>41040415
>So the thread is a joke, right? They haven't "tapped into" anything. Not on purpose. They're fucking dunces

They're fucking geniuses. Not all smarts is book smarts either. There's intuitive intelligence. Anyway, you either get them or you don't.

>>41042913
>22:26 in their song Chris Benoit backmasked they admitted he was an Illuminati sacrifice

That's crazy. That one was a really dark song.

>>41042905
clowns and people who like animals a lot have always been the bedrock of any circus
that's why the internet relies on both ICP as well as furries, yet pretends to hate them both

>>41037162
Well when we die we get absolutely humiliated and made fun of by the entities in the next phase of existence till we come back here to escape for a little while if we are lucky

>>41044262
So you're saying one of them would have had to been sacrificed in order to allow David Benoit to wrestle instead of being shipped off to an oil field

People who hate ICP have bad souls. They're socially acceptable scapegoats and easy. Normalfags don't care about them. It's always that specific kind of preening failed normalfag (especially millenials from that 2010's era irony poisoned online twitter/SA hipster nerd subculture) who for some reason all trooned out so I think they don't like ICP because it hits closer to home for them than they'd like and they need to feel superior to someone but even though they're racist/classist they won't be openly so ICP is a safe outlet for their sadistic controlling urges centered around a warped sense of guilt/conformity induced purity and neo yuppie obsession with status

It's why they hate clowns too ironically enough. They take themselves too seriousily. It's why the Joker made everyone asshurt and why they recoiled at sincere but juvenile edgyness. They can't let themselves have fun and it's also why they hate sex and anime despite secretly loving it. Many of them actually probably listen to ICP occasionally despite what they say

Anyway I've taken the clown pill and wish to turn myself into a clown. Pommi specifically.

>>41044354
and in the end ICP won. No amount of mocking juggalo funerals saved those people from becoming even bigger losers than the people they mocked

Never take yourself so seriousily. I like "Miracles" it's a genuinely beautiful life afirming song that speaks to something universal about what it means to be human but came out at a time that terminally online people couldn't appreciate it's message or were openly hostile to it because muh reddit magnets

I was one of the people who mocked them back in the day too and now the only way to repent for my crimes is to try and turn myself into a clowngirl (IWNBACW)

I really love Miracles. Such a great song. Everything that life is about. Life is beautiful but so many are afraid to truly live

>>41044413
They mocked them for showing support to a type of individual they would all consider a "lost cause"
Now they're facing karma

>>41044422
checked. If there is one thing I've learned it's that earnest passion always wins out in the end and you can actually predict future trends by what currently generates the most contemporary antipathy without an actual rebuke other than catty mockery

It's why furries, nu metal and weebery is more popular now than ever. Fuckers never admit their complicity though. All the shit I got mocked for doing is now socially accepted by people who act like it was their idea all along

>>41044413
>Never take yourself so seriousily. I like "Miracles" it's a genuinely beautiful life afirming song that speaks to something universal about what it means to be human but came out at a time that terminally online people couldn't appreciate it's message or were openly hostile to it because muh reddit magnets

I dig the Pomni image. Yah, I actually fuck'n love Miracles. It's a celebration of the mysteries and beauty in life. All Shaggy was saying with the magnets line was that magnets are miraculous. I understand the model with electrons and all that. It doesn't capture how fascinating they are in their own right.

>>41044413
>I was one of the people who mocked them back in the day too and now the only way to repent for my crimes is to try and turn myself into a clowngirl (IWNBACW)

A shout out to the juggalettes! Whoop Whoooop!

>>41044463
>checked. If there is one thing I've learned it's that earnest passion always wins out in the end

My friends brother in law grew up in Southwest Detroit and wes in the same class as Violent J. He went up some of his earliest shows and said everyone thought he sucked. He was driven by that honest passion, and look where he went with it.

>>41044327
>So you're saying one of them would have had to been sacrificed in order to allow David Benoit to wrestle instead of being shipped off to an oil field

Naw, I don't know. This is the first I e head about this It was a sad and dark chapter, weather he was killed by the Illuminati or just rood raged on his own family. It's sad either way you cut it.

>>41037268
>>41038094
You're morons. They're evil fucks
https://youtu.be/RtqIb7Mwal8?=MqhUxqiMyPp5s8ri

>>41044354
>trannies hate clowns
meanwhile, all my trannies friends literally a doing clown porn onlyfans collabs and getting rich off of them
i'm pretty sure i didn't get mandela'd, what about you anon?

>>41044689
You misunderstand. I too am a troon who wants to make clown content oddly enough. Your friends sound awesome. I was merely throwing shade on that particular crop of maladjusted 2012 era "weird twitter" person so I know where the anti juggalo and "ironic juggalo" sentiment of the 10's comes from and what those people are like. Just ribbing on a subgroup within a subgroup in a self depricating way. I really, really hate that incestuous cluster of people because the damage they did to nerd hobbies and trannydom cannot be understated. Luckily they mostly aged out and the current gen is a bit more level headed.

Glad to know there are others like me out there though.

>>41044816
fair enough. i do have to admit that i'm not actually sure what you were trying to say in your original post, so i guess board culture made me assume bad intent
one notable friend of mine invented the "blobby box" -- a VR hypno scenario based on picrel, it was hilarious terrifying in the best way possible, and there were consequences
luckily we're all happy and healthy still! I think!

as for making content, the important thing is to get into the habit of making content. you gotta produce at least a handful of terrible shitty media before one of them starts to approach what you actually wanna make, and then you gotta produce ten times as much terrible shit again before you actually start making things you genuinely can feel proud of having made, so get to it, silly!

>>41044892
>based on picrel
this one...

>>41044816
>I really, really hate that incestuous cluster of people because the damage they did to nerd hobbies and trannydom cannot be understated

Yah I picked up on that, that you are a troon. It doesn't really bother me if someone is l,g,b,t,q, or a. I just don't like how it's been politicized. I hate terms like "ally". It's just too demanding, and I hate the way corporations promote it.

But, basically, if you're cool and I vibe, I'm good with you Also, if someone's interesting and doesn't wear it as their total identity, I'm more likely to vibe with that kind of person.

At the end I don't much care about the labels, or constructs. I just want people to click on a soul level. That's why I like EDM shows. It transcends identity boundaries. I think events like the gathering of the juggalos captures that.

I hope the new crop does transcend (no pun intended) the older, crustier Reddit culture surrounding trans. They act a lot like the chuds they like to criticize.

>>41044948
>EDM
eating disorder music absolutely is the best
i'd recommend checking out some underground drag if you got any nearby, you might find more explicitly clowny people there
>the way corporations promote it
everyone hates this
>hate terms like "ally"
this just means you're a coward though, which is fine too
>crustier Reddit culture
you have seen nothing, the worst chund trannies are now in their 50s, transitioned 20+ years ago, and cannot cope with "bro" being gender neutral

>>41035197 (OP)
>>41036003
>>41036341
>>41037162
>>41038238
You'd like the zombie apocalypse summoning thread that's up. You'll know why we need jesters.

>>41044983
>this just means you're a coward though, which is fine too

Naw, it means I don't want to submit to social pressure to virtue signal. I don't really buy into it whole cloth as a political cause.

If I believed in the political cause and stayed silent, I would then, in fact be a coward.

My issue with the trans movement, is I think the establishment is promoting external augmentation too much as an intervention for gender dysphoria. There's a motive there for big pharma to promote more surgeries and pills. I think with many people who find their selves in a paradoxic identity state, they may be better served by integration and self realization, by accepting the paradoxic aspects of their psyche.

To me it takes bravery to express this view, as I can set myself up for ostracism by a lot of people who perceive it as bigotry or hate, when it is out of genuine concern I hold and an intention to reduce harm. Maybe it's misguided or I don't have a full picture, but with my current understanding of things, this is where my sincerity resides.

>>41045034
>You'd like the zombie apocalypse summoning thread that's up. You'll know why we need jesters.

Cool, thx, I'll check it out my dude

>>41045062
https://youtu.be/s28ISo0kz0E?si=WI7Fzq1GIoKXP6s2

Cut em up chuck! Go nutty! Cut em up chuck, Get Bloody,!

>>41044892
yeah I can't wait to start honestly. I want to be operational within a years timeframe and it's starting to piss me off when external shit derails everything

This is gonna fucking happen. I have an actual creative vision I'm trying to make real it's not just for the money. I only fear the time I wasted. I'm not some fucking poser I ate rice for two years to afford everything, I made fucking spreadsheets and documents like some autistic supervillian. I even did sigil magic and rituals.

It feels so good to have all of ones interests and lifestyle intersect. Who knows we might collab someday. I also had novel plans involving VR

>>41044463
We're also seeing this attitude towards becoming a parent at a young age, there's kindergarteners saying they would rather have kids than keep going to school

>>41045308
when I was a kindergartner I wanted to be an evil wizard who lived in a barren mountain cave making potions.

>>41045236
>It feels so good to have all of ones interests and lifestyle intersect. Who knows we might collab someday. I also had novel plans involving VR

I hope you find happiness and fulfillment.Please consider working on the psyche itself. I don't know if all this surgery will bring you fulfillment in the end. It's all external. I think a lot of gender dysphoria has to do with where the Anima/Animus intersects self-,identity. Happiness won't come from material things, be it a mansion, a car or a cosmetic surgery. These things are just temporary.Usually how we imagine the future outcome isn't how it is. How we think we will feel or how others will relate to us may be drastically different from what we imagine. This is something famous people and rich people and "people who have made it" have commented on. They reach the goal but still feel an empty void in the end.

>>41045378
I'm more cognizant than you think and I know what the gravity of what I'm trying to do is. I may have waited too long.

This is a deliberate calculated process that I have been striving for for years. I want my impact in life to be to entertain others and give them something that connects them to eros, comedy and the collective unconscious.

It's fitting that I would troon out. What I want demands a cost. It has to be earned. Call it a muse, the divine spark, "imagination" whatever, I have it and I have a responsibility to entertain the masses and make then delve into the parts of their soul they are not cognizant of. People live dreary lives and I can alleviate their pain away from them through eroticism and archtypical storytelling

Not getting the chop either, it's an asset not a negative (thank god for Clomid).

I have a dormant desire to crush some clussy that surfaces when exposed to clown girls
Are you down with the clown, /x/?

>>41045503
Honk Honk

This is the 10th time these past few months that /x/ has expressed resonance towards the ICP. I too have been suddenly getting into them (mostly the old stuff). Their album art and musical flow has a hypnotizing element to them. I haven't even liked rap shit since 10th grade.

>>41045456
>This is a deliberate calculated process that I have been striving for for years. I want my impact in life to be to entertain others and give them something that connects them to eros, comedy and the collective unconscious.

Well more power to you, can't fault you for that. It sounds like you want to be the holy fool archetype that guides people to psychic wholeness and alchemical union.

>>41045553
>This is the 10th time these past few months that /x/ has expressed resonance towards the ICP

That's cool were picking up on the same vibe. I made the post cause I realized DMT jesters are really juggalos. It's been the same for me dude. I've been listening a lot to the first joker card set this past month and Wizard of the Hood. The past couple days I really got down with The
Mighty Death Pop too from the second set. It's a very underrated album. Bang Pow Boom is the shit too.

>>41045456
>This is a deliberate calculated process that I have been striving for for years

At the same time, just act out the archetype you want to channel. You don't have to wait for some great surgery, anymore than the cowardly lion had to wait to get a medal to prove his bravery. He proved it in the journey with Dorothy.

There's a downside to merging with an archetype. It's good to keep it as a mask or persona that's acted out ritualistically. Merging with an archetype can be a descent into madness, kind of like Joker on Batman.

It's the difference between the fool upright and reversed. The holy fool vs the the folly fool

>>41045603
> cause I realized DMT jesters are really juggalos

I never seen no DMT jester with faygo.

Riddle box / great malenko are where the real homies at. The new one good too tho.

>>41046495
Clussy vs Juggalo

>>41046479
I know what the social and medical downsides are. Boy/Manmoding is a thing you know. I don't care if I'm a male presenting individual with "gyno" and if I change my mind taking Clomid and topical T gel prevents atrophy and infertility. I'm not getting castrated bro.

There's also the inverse risk of not transitioning where people who don't take E and repress it for decades usually snap mentally in their 50's. It's a documented phenomenon. I've felt this way ever since I was a child and no "integration" is going to fix that.

If I wasn't serious about my choices why in the fuck would I do this in this current socio political climate? Nobody tricked me into this and I'm completely sober about what I'm doing. There's no magical ideal I'm deluding myself about obtaining if anything I'm hyper critical about my chances.

I am an informed consenting adult making my own informed choices fully aware that they are semi irrevocable and come at the risk of social alienation and medical/physical consiquences

My only regret is not doing it sooner. I unironically wish I had been "groomed" at 18 at least in terms of how my outcomes physically would have been

>>41036003
oh fuck yeah I love the green man.

>>41045553
I listen to them every september to remember my dad. We used to drive around the city listening to the 1st album when i was little.

>>41035197 (OP)
I got something for you OP.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/514968201/

>>41046771
for what it's worth, i started hormones with 30
the other anon does not understand gender dysphoria, not transitioning when you recognized you need is the worst form of social, psychological, psychic, and karmic suicide

>>41047408
yeah normalfags don't understand the weird dissociation from the self it causes. They also don't get how jaded some of us are about the whole thing I know I'm biologicaly male, that's not the point.

>>41047472
it causes the most toxic aloofness with unhealthy surrogate coping mechanisms which always revolve around dissolution or substitution of self to the point you see yourself as a disembodied point of consciousness with a male avatar that isn't really you and not an actual physical person. These people who think you can therapy, medicate or meditate your way out of it are retarded.

>>41046663
>I never seen no DMT jester with faygo.
I'm not saying you would, but the way the jester entities they fuck with people is very juggalo like.

>>41047393
>I got something for you OP.
Shit doesn't relate to me. The thread starts off saying star wars was boomer culture. First trilogy is definitely gtn x. Boomers made star wars, but Gen x grew up on it. Total shit take. Violent J id gen x, but all the fans were mostly millennial.

>>41047484
>it causes the most toxic aloofness with unhealthy surrogate coping mechanisms which always revolve around dissolution or substitution of self to the point you see yourself as a disembodied point of consciousness with a male avatar that isn't really you and not an actual physical person. These people who think you can therapy, medicate or meditate your way out of it are retarded.

Then go cut it off then and take hormones. At the end of the day, I really don't care. I'm going to continue to provide a contrary opinion when it's brought up. Its a historical anomaly and a fast. It's a problem, gender identity disorder, unique to hyper modernity and was virtually non-existent to extremely rare in the past

I think a lot of people are going to regret this in old age, in reality.

If dressing like a clown and whoring yourself out on only fans makes you happy, it will likely be short lived. You might end up with a lot of lost self respect.

I'm not going to just agree with you out of politeness. I'm here to reveal the shadow side of all of this. .If it goes south, don't say nobody offered a counterpoint

You can naturally turn yourself into a true hermaphrodite by raising your Kundalini. Picrel is how to do it. The coccygeal glomus is where the Kundalini resides. Choose the Sun Goddess over the Saturn God.

>le "no historical precedence"

>>41047472
it's the worst, but that moment where you do actually accidentally recognize yourself out of the corner of your eye in a mirror you didnt expect for the first time is gonna change you in the best way possible, even if it might not last
you got this

>>41049585
>>le "no historical precedence"
It's a result of being chronically online and being able to indulge in fantasy During one's formative years. When reality and the fantasy ideal that was built up don't sync up, people feel distressed

>>41049556
Cool, but why don't you get rid of your name, namefag. It's like you want to say something sincere while wearing a huge 'I am retarded don't take me seriously' sign

>>41049437
I'm not cutting it off. I've said that already and like I said people who repress the dysphoria into old age also end up unhappy and usually their psyche breaks. We've also always existed the only new thing is HRT therapy.

>>41049609
>Fantasy
I live in a real world full of good things that I enjoy and everything is fine
>Reality
The world is a rotten, boring hellscape simulation designed to psychologically torture me and everyone is a demon and they're all in on it

>>41045366
That sounds awesome! And great art btw. Love that take on Pomni <3

>>41049658
>why don't you get rid of your name, namefag.
It's to trigger jackasses like you.

>>41049868
>I'm not cutting it off. I've said that already and like I said people who repress the dysphoria into old age also end up unhappy and usually their psyche breaks. We've also always existed the only new thing is HRT therapy.

Yah, I know you mentioned a medication. I'm just saying, at the end of the day, I don't really care what you do, whatever extreme it is. I don't really want to be expected to validate your choices out of some social nicety either. I feel for the fact you feel mentally tortured, but I have my own shit to deal with. I think what's being pushed as a solution, with social affirmation, is a massive sham. All I can do is agree to disagree I'm not going to be untrue to myself to validate someone else just because it might make them feel better. You do you. Don't expect people to like it. That's what being a juggalo is about anyway. Tie a rope to your dick and jump out a 10 story window. I don't give a fuck at the end of the day. I'll tell you what I think, but in the end, fuck it. Woop Woop!

>>41049890
>>Fantasy
>I live in a real world full of good things that I enjoy and everything is fine
>>Reality
>The world is a rotten, boring hellscape simulation designed to psychologically torture me and everyone is a demon and they're all in on it

There's magic all around this bitch. That's the paradox, just like they talk about in miracles.

Black and white is illusion. Truth exists in paradox and perceived contradiction. The more I move in life, the more I realize this. Aspects of life are hellish, don't get me wrong, but there's a miracle about just being alive. Experience itself is a miracle, even with all the fucking bullshit that goes with it

https://youtu.be/8GyVx28R9-s?si=m2XW-n7vJcWnuFIQ

"A caster of mind-bending, illusions
From the nether void of the shadow walkers
Excel from Shangri La, The Great Melinko"

Like any real poet, like the bards and holy fool's before them, they expose truth in paradox, that darkness is the shadow from light.

Jesters used to wear contrasting colors (white and black/red and blue), just like juggalo paint. There's truth behind the veil of perceived duality.

>>41049890
>>Reality
>The world is a rotten, boring hellscape simulation designed to psychologically torture me and everyone is a demon and they're all in on it

That's just a paranoid take. That's not reality. Fact is, most people really don't give a fuck about you and are dealing with their own problems. The universe, for the most part, doesn't really care about us that much.

>>41049380
The threads not about gen x, it’s about the spiritual clown rape that gen x all suffers from.