Thread 41037553

Why is it that most serious occultists have to read dozens of books and spend years cultivating energy and perform super specific rituals under certain conditions and at certain times to get their magic to work, but witches just toss a frog leg and a lock of hair into a pot and they can suddenly fly around on brooms?

Why is a witch’s magic so much simpler than “regular” magic and does it work the same way?

>>41037553 (OP)

>Why is it that most serious occultists have to read dozens of books

Who told you that?

This kind of thinking is merely an egregore of occultic thought.

Occultists who endlessly mimic and fail other people's rituals are failing for exactly that reason.

Magick is a free-for-all.

You either have the chops or don't.

>>41037711

Good retort, but I'd point out those ceremonial magicks are contained within a framework and often led by someone, not usually participatory beyond ritual theatre, and not the sort of magic I thought we were discussing.

>>41037553 (OP)
ur basically asking the difference between a natural born psychic/mystic and someone practicing/copying their craft

>>41037734
I’m asking why these guys do all the theatrics whereas the solitary with simply throws together some basic ingredients with maybe a little blood and suddenly has more magical power than the robe dudes could ever dream of.
Why all the ceremony and ritual when it appears that simple folk magic is more immediately potent?

>>41037804
Ahh okay.

There's so much ground to cover here, I'll try not to be TLDR.

Ceremonial magick is made to benefit the group leader. Even if the ceremony is intended to the benefit of the group, it's the leader who is acting as the focal point of the energies.

Belief = Power, thus, being able to lead a group of believers grants you certain amounts of power.

Anyone who tries to mimick these ceremonial magicks, without a group of believers, is obviously not going to be very successful, because the entire framework of the ceremonial magick is built on having available witnesses and believers.

Folk magic, on the other hand, boils down to personal willpower. It's the power of personal belief.

Now, witches magick typically revolves around the Moon and its cycles, which is already tied to feminine spirituality. Thus, female witches are able to more easily tap into a natural sort of magick, most likely owing to Mitochondrial DNA (the maternal lineage gene, going all the way back to the ancestral "First Woman", basically our ancestral "Eve").

Men attempting to perform witches magick, which is lunar-based, need to separate / dissolve their male ego. This is why men often resort to semen retention or 'kundalini' practices.

Notice women never have to do "semen retention" to do any sort of magick? I mean, that's biologically obvious, but it's a reason.

>>41037553 (OP)
>Why is it that most serious occultists have to read dozens of books and spend years cultivating energy and perform super specific rituals under certain conditions and at certain times to get their magic to work
Christianity creates an anti-magick field.
>but witches just toss a frog leg and a lock of hair into a pot and they can suddenly fly around on brooms?
They say it's astral projection.

>>41038139
So I do magic while awake it has to be in silly robes at certain times and with all sorts of chants in languages I don’t know, but if I do magic while astral projecting it becomes as simple as finding a frog and a pot of water

>>41037553 (OP)
folk magic requires you to become someone's bitch

>>41037553 (OP)
The average woman can "manifest" sex, romance, attention, free stuff, good job, and a house, just by having a pussy.

This is a totally unrealistic scenario for a man. For a man to manifest a house and sex and "stay at home dad" with magic would be considered very successful. This is expected to come effortlessly for the average woman. These are the things you have to take into account when considering woman magic, or woman being into "manifesting".

>>41037864
very good point
magic energies are tremendously amplifed in groups
Christian prayers groups can be very powerful despite no-one having any magic training

>>41038682
Womans magic is always a joke because the average young woman can easily manifest free sex, dates, free stuff, and basically everything they want.
It only takes a very slight push for the magic to work.
For a man though, a very large push is required.

>>41038813
It's mostly because of elite pedo magick
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>>41037553 (OP)
>but witches just toss a frog leg and a lock of hair into a pot and they can suddenly fly around on brooms?
Spoiler - A lot of those references to creepy things in a witches brew are reverse euphemisms for plants and other natural ingredients as a way to document the recipe while keeping it guarded from prying eyes. Thus they are formulations from accomplished herbalists and often passed down generationally.

>>41038762
that's not manifestation, that's prostitution

>>41037553 (OP)
Because witches aren't stupid retards

>>41039594
What does that even mean?

>>41037570
this guy witches

>>41037570
agree but chops can be gained

t. chop gainer

>>41037553 (OP)

* society trains men to suppress and ignore the very facilities you need to make magic work (alternatively: they don’t have much of it in the first place)

* they need endless largely nonsense correspondence tables to arrive at a state where „everything is connected“ to get a glimpse of access to what comes quite naturally for women

* they historically hated women for it and used to burn them at the stake because they got scared of their powers

* learn to identify and never listen to posturing booksmart armchair occultists

>>41037711

The fact that they chose this attire and atmosphere, recorded a video of it and put it on YouTube should tell you a lot about this organization and its leaders

But it’s a good honeypot, similar to Crowley (though to his credit he does have a proper lineage and has many legit practitioners aside from the edgelords)

>>41037553 (OP)
Witches are a race apart; they don't require complex rituals because they have a natural gift for magic.
These witches are the descendants of an ancient fairy race present in Europe

>>41037553 (OP)
TLDR: There's different ways to get the same thing done, and there's a different variety of ways available because every part of the world has access to magick but not the same concepts of it.


Long story: Everyone has their own belief system of magick and how it can be controlled, but the Asian community isn't going to view it the same as the Mexican community nor the Indigenous American community because our histories, stories, and community experiences shape our understanding of the world around us. So if African tribes never see snow, how would they conceive notions of snow-based magick like Europeans can?

In this life, solitary practitioners view their own craft through a lens all their own and with the oversaturation of info, they now get to pick from anything they want: be that old folk magick from the norse, or ceremonial magick from more modern sects. Results vary from individual willpower/dedication/skill points from uncontrollable variables like bloodline.

>>41038813
What amazing retardation. I guess you've forgotten femcels exist and that they complain about the same bs as incels do, so they are, in fact, not manifesting free stuff, dates, sex, etc.

Magick is inherent in all people, it's just that being so closed off/mentally ill/willfully retarded shuts the gates to access that stuff. And for good reason, no one needs incel morons going around "summoning succubi" and "manifesting catgirl uwu gfs".

Phenomenal cosmic power: itty bitty mind.

>>41037553 (OP)
Never suffer a witch, unironically. Never even suffer a women who is in to kooky things.

>>41037553 (OP)
>>41042397
>from uncontrollable variables like bloodline
The main reason the effect of bloodlines is observed is by familiarity of a particular group of spirits with a group of humans. If a potent spirit works within a particular family and leaves it then so do the phenomena. The beings across the veil are intelligent enough to use operant conditioning. >>41042415
>shuts the gates to access that stuff. And for good reason, no one needs incel morons going around "summoning succubi" and "manifesting catgirl uwu gfs".
I would disagree. In isolation and by not having social pushback this behaviour is amplified. If youve communed with a higher being you actually leave with a sense of awe and right and wrong which dissolves such antics. Being stuck in isolation and with radio silence just increases the probability of retardation to grow like weeds in a garden. My main guide needed one stern look when I was in a bad spot years ago to remind me of all the noble deeds I was letting go of. That sort of contact, if more common, would keep people from being their lesser self.

>>41042571
I think you misunderstand but I'm assuming through ignorance, or merely trolling.

Bloodline variables comes in different forms, yours being one of many, but not the only nor most power/main one out there.

There's also this neo-paganism mentality that all higher beings are positive and above humanity in morals and ethics. Not so. It's as easy to walk face-first into a malevolent being's territory as it is to commune with a supposed guardian spirit: and each one is as easy to piss off as the next. Just because we're humans does not give our ignorance a free pass when we walk into the unknown. There is no "white light" visualization that will keep you safe when you well and truly do not know how to actually defend yourself.

It is argued that solitary practitioners learn the hard way whether something works or not, whereas people who learn from their elders or written documents get to know how history treated their ancestor's attempts. But the same can be said vice versa. There are equally retarded solitary practitioners with their heads up their asses as there are scam cult leaders and their groups: neither of which carry real power but do pretend to.

>>41042595
>but I'm assuming through ignorance, or merely trolling.
what do you mean ignorance? How are "bloodline correlations" observed? Do you own the participating media and master it to such a degree that you can rule out whether it the correlation is planted by those who do master the medium?

My argument was that beings who actually move things and understand the medium can make arbitrary "correlations" and other "learned effects" appear to "teach" people that particular ways work. What might be passed down from elders can just be a larp spawned by a group of beings who seek to entrench their position in the collective unconscious. While it may "work" it works at the mercy of some other intelligence, whereas true effects are the same as picking up a spoon and dropping it. I dont really see the relevance of the rest of your post, neither do I see a compelling argument against the supposition that we cannot (yet) rule out that observed effects are planted, manipulated and planned even across different lives.

They have to make love to the devil, and their souls are condemned to hell.

What kind of spells and rituals do folk magic and witchcraft practitioners even do? I've mainly read about ceremonial stuff.

>>41037864
So magik is D&D for even bigger nerds

>>41042415
>here is one anomalous example that disproves the general trend
Yeah I'm sure the femcels are just having unrealistic standards.
The average woman can reasonably expect to "manifest" a free house, a lazy girl job, social attention, a slave that does chores for her, and be a stay at home mom, over the course of her life.

The average man can expect to: slave away hard in career and hand over the fruits of his labor to a woman, get zero attention from woman until finally some lazy fat girl decides she can be his slave.

If you aren't taking into consideration the differences between the free stuff a woman gets, compared to the average man, who has to work for everything and be invisible, then you are being delusional.

>>41043238
if only people put friendship first

>>41040126
they get their knowledge from the tok

The Eye of newt/tail of lizard shit is the last folkloric remnants of the western equivalent of the animal medicines used by the chinese

>>41043014
Historically folk/low magic is about personal gain while witchcraft is specifically antisocial magic with intent to harm your community