Thread 41044345

Good day, I am looking for fast and effective lucid dreaming methods to test. I don't want to test any WBTB (Wake Back To Bed) methods as I've tried those and they don't work for someone like me, because once I'm up, I'M UP. It takes a long while to fall back asleep if I'm lucky enough, and it never gave me a lucid dream.

Every lucid dream I've had has been directly from going to sleep and not waking up, and it was unintended. Though, I haven't lucid dreamed in years, I used to lucid dream almost every night when I was in my teens and it's like the ability was lost.

So I'll be very specific with what I'm looking for:
1. Lucid dream methods you tested yourself that were effect and fast (worked within 2 to 4 weeks of you trying). The method is not a method that requires you to wake up and go back to sleep.
2. Direct methods that require you to drift directly into a dream from a waking state are ok, I'm sure they will be difficult, but if it honestly worked for you then I definitely want to try it.
3. If the method involves some kind of self hypnosis via self suggestion that would be great, I'd prioritize testing that method over others since I've used self hypnosis before.
4. If the method utilizes self hypnosis via a specific hypnosis audio that needs to be listened to on a consistent basis I'd also prioritize this (even over the self suggestion method). Please state the name of the audio and the creator, and if possible link to the source audio file(s).
5. I'm not just trying to lucid dream, I'm trying to gain the ability to lucid dream "on command", like getting to the point that I can do a specific act/routine (or whatever the method involves) and know that I will lucid dream that night (nothing is 100%, but a 70% success rate would be great).
6. If it's an astral projection method that worked for you still state it. I'll try whatever works, it's in the same lane anyways.

Thank you for any suggestions. I've tried a few methods before and they didn't work.

>>41044345 (OP)
ADA

>>41044392
First time I've heard of this, "All Day Awareness". Do you have a specific book/source on how to practice this method. I'm really looking for something as specific as possible to eliminate all guesswork, overthinking, second guessing, etc. that may get in the way of the process. I'm sure if I just go searching in general I can find 100's of different sources of how people practiced ADA and what methods they used to best induce the effect.

>>41044345 (OP)
One time when I was younger and I had angst about something, I felt depressed and wanted to sleep but I didn't want to screw up my sleep schedule, so I came up with a method to keep myself in a half awake state.
Doing it once caused me to have multiple lucid dreams in a row the following nights after years of not having them. I wasn't even doing it for the lucid dreams.

What I did was:
>be tired, being tired enough that you could fall asleep is a requirement
>lay down
>close my eyes 95% way down, just barely open
>as soon as I feel like I am about to fall asleep or when I notice I've closed my eyes completely, I open my eyes fully for less than a second
>go back to 95% closed
>repeat for 30-60 minutes

Doing it made me aware of my nonsensical sleepy thoughts, even while asleep, leading to lucid dreams.
I don't know if this works for other people, it has been years since I tried it, but worth a shot if you're desperate.

>>41044697
This is actually a pretty good response, it sounds like a lot like the direct method I mentioned
>>41044345 (OP)
>2. Direct methods that require you to drift directly into a dream from a waking state are ok, I'm sure they will be difficult, but if it honestly worked for you then I definitely want to try it.
This seems like it could probably work, I'll definitely try it.

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>>41044345 (OP)
> I am looking for fast and effective lucid dreaming methods to test
My main technique gives an average of one to two lucid dreams per week. It's basically naps + indirect method. I've posted it in thread here before (https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40679295/#q40692103)

> once I'm up, I'M UP
Well, it may not be the ideal method since it requires naps. I also tried to gain the ability to lucid dream on command before, but this is the best I've reached so far. So I hope it helps in some way.

>>41044345 (OP)
>once I'm up, I'M UP
you might not need as much sleep as you are getting. try wbtb with something like pen drop or 20+ alarms random mins apart on a week where you face true exhaustion. work/stress/drugs/alcohol binge.

>>41045693
Thanks anyways but I won't be trying this one. Also I've tried "The Phase" before, got excited when I first found it, just didn't work for me.

>>41045704
Even if this did work, it wouldn't be a reliable method and it would be more like a "one off".

Like I said:
>>41044345 (OP)
>5. I'm not just trying to lucid dream, I'm trying to gain the ability to lucid dream "on command", like getting to the point that I can do a specific act/routine (or whatever the method involves) and know that I will lucid dream that night (nothing is 100%, but a 70% success rate would be great).

take 10mg melatonin before bed, makes wbtb/indirect a lot easier. sleep disruption/raduga is the only method that works for me, makes me wake up in the vibrational state. how many times did you try it? if you just want lucid dreams, the holding nose reality check worked for me, its a hassle but works

>>41045741
alright then the only time I reliably ld'ed consistently is repeatedly snoozing in am. ik u say up then up but you rly can always be more exhausted. wanting "on command" mindset may just be incompatible with lding.

>>41045779
Might have to try the melatonin thing, even if it's just to jump start the process.

>>41045788
could also help to not use any screens after waking up. blue light stops melatonin production and keeps you awake. can write down WILD/indirect techniques in a journal and read that before going back to sleep

>>41044438
no book, just expand the field of view of focus and maintain it all day, it works by putting your mind in the state of consciousness similar to that of a dream while youre awake
very effective technique, I got it to work within 2 days
youll find it easier to stay conscious when you fall sleep and therefore enter a lucid dream with ease

praise allah swt

>>41046198
>could also help to not use any screens after waking up. blue light stops melatonin production and keeps you awake.
I think you cracked the code. It just occurred to me that in my teens I didn't really have 24/7 access to a computer and smartphone, all day, all night, like I do now. Maybe I can try a test where I use some kind of software to make my screen not emit blue light at night (this could have been accepting my natural state before sleep the entire time). I'll keep that setting on all day tomorrow up till I go to sleep and see if it makes a difference. It would be funny if this allows me to have a lucid dream.

I'd never have even considered this affecting me till now, but looking at it now it's the most obvious variable. I had even more lucid dreams as a child than as a teen, and at that point smartphones didn't even exist, so it's like the more exposure to blue light I had, the more my ability to dream was impacted, it makes perfect sense.

This may be the "be all, end all" thread for lucid dreaming. I'll spend an entire week atleast with blue light disabled and see what happens (as it may take some time for my mind to adjust back).

May not even need to take melatonin if this works.

>>41046226
>no book, just expand the field of view of focus and maintain it all day
1. Still kinda vague, do you mean spend all day looking both through my main vision and my periphery?
2. This honestly sounds too mentally taxing and not possible, especially for someone who works on a computer all day, I think my eyes would just give out. Maybe I'll just find some practice mindfulness practice and maybe create some "triggers" that I check throughout the day until those things become a habit so if I try to do it in a dream I'll realize it's a dream.

>>41044438
It's literally just mindfulness, so just look for mindfulness techniques ig

>>41046455
Eat a banana

>>41044345 (OP)
Really simple ones but you need to have some consistency:

In dream state:
>Write your dreams whenever you wake up, you will train yourself to remember your dreams.
>You need to repeat an action constantly while awake (I dont know the word in english, like a tick but you do it constantly like second nature)that you can easily recreate in your dreams that can crearly tell you are dreaming, I count my fingers as I will always have more or less than 5, after that you just realize that you are in a dream.

While Awake
>Lay still in your bed in a comfortable position with your eyes closed.
>Do not think of anything (hardest part).
>You will feel tickles around your body, do not move, it is your body checking if you are awake or not.
>you will start having audio/vision hallucinations, first colors, or sound like static noise, then you enter the dream in a lucid state.

To be honest I prefer the first option as it does not require addittional steps after and if you do the action consistently during the day it becomes second nature, when I was younger and experimenting with this I could get around 3 to 4 lucid dreams per week.

The Awake option was horrible for me as I always heard stuff that made me scared like screams or really loud noises.

>Pro tips:
>Dont get too excited or you will wake up.
>Sometimes you will be able to control the dream orthers you will not, just enjoy the ride.
>Try to fly by by jumping really high and do try to hard.
>Try to have a real conversation with yourself, the good and the bad you are literally talking with your subconsious.
>Try not to be afraid if you see a shadow person.

>>41046643
samefag here.

I think having experience in Lucid dreaming increases your chances to astral project.

Im not really into this stuff anymore but a couple months ago I read about the Monroe Institute gateway experience and boy, in my first try I got the high vivration/frecuency shit and almost did it, but got scared as I didnt not have a clue on what to do if I actually achieve it and have not tried it since.

>>41046643
>To be honest I prefer the first option as it does not require addittional steps after and if you do the action consistently during the day it becomes second nature, when I was younger and experimenting with this I could get around 3 to 4 lucid dreams per week.
I prefer this option too, it's just more "natural". I like that you provided a simple example too (counting fingers). Maybe I will start a dream journal.

The awake method might be possible if you take melatonin, though I'd like to avoid any supplements/drugs so I definitely prefer the first method.

>I think having experience in Lucid dreaming increases your chances to astral project.
That's one of the reasons I want to lucid dream again, it's like a "starting point" for testing astral projection, plus it would just be fun, and it would another way to gain more control of my mind and body.

Hey guys

I don't mean to derail the thread, but what is the best astral projection guide?

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>>41047038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjAIlFZWWc

>>41047038
literally all you need is >>41047119 and an alarm clock and you're set. REM is the most efficient gateway, forget trying to perform dry obe induction using those boomer tapes

Recently I've tried telling myself "I will have a lucid dream" when waking up in the middle of the night and falling back asleep. It's worked multiple times so far and I hope to get better at it.

>>41047200
OP here, glad the thread isn't dead yet. I tried specifically that method too (The Phase by Michael Raduga), just didn't work for me, might be because of what was mentioned previously of staring at screens (blue light) even into the night (might be throwing off my body's awareness of my sleep cycle so it doesn't produce melatonin as it should).

But even if the method would work after I correct this issue, I still don't prefer this method because it's too "convoluted" and it's not something you can do everyday since you have to work. But as a child/teen I could have lucid dreams on multiple consecutive nights and wake up fully rested and go to school. You can't do a WBTB method consecutive nights if you have to go to work, it will kill your energy levels.

I'm looking for a method that allows you to "just do it", like gaining an ability.

>>41047038
Honestly the best posts so far is from this guy:
>>41045779
>>41046198
It seems like he's the type that did a lot of extra research into learning how to lucid dream. Still try out "The Phase" method first, maybe it will work for you, but for me personally, even if it did work I don't see it as a "dependable method", at best I always saw it as a hopeful gateway to "jump start" my lucid dreaming ability again.

>>41046455
>too mentally taxing and not possible
then you will also find it too mentally taxing and not possible to stay lucid during a dream; since your body is asleep for over 8 hours you will quickly lose consciousness
if you do this properly you wont lose consciousness at all during the night; so you will see every dream
depending on what you visualise at night you will also be able to summon a specific dream; if you are skilled at meditation you will be able to fast forward or slow down time while asleep

its a really simple technique and will train you to stay lucid and aware for long periods of time giving you exactly what you asked for >the ability to lucid dream "on command"
you should practice all the way until you fall asleep; you will start getting hypnogogic vision and then go straight into a dream, no loss of awareness which is the biggest enemy in regards to lucid dreaming

>do you mean spend all day looking both through my main vision and my periphery?
yea; looking through the whole periphery, being aware of your whole range of awareness at all times
looking and reading the words on your computer screen while being aware of everything you see around the words and outside of the screen itself
>>41046643
>"triggers" that I check throughout the day until those things become a habit so if I try to do it in a dream I'll realize it's a dream.
this wont necessarily work lucid dreaming on command; it relies on you falling asleep first then gaining awareness in dream

if your country/city has flouride in the water supply or you still brush your teeth with it then it will affect your dreams very badly by calcifying the pineal gland; a meme at this point; turmeric is best way to detox this, which is also a sleeping aid

the rest is easy
https://youtu.be/JfddLIyAP-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7i4vp9_c8

>>41047818
Last night I dreamed that there were beautiful brick buildings in front of me which were about to be demolished. Then before me appeared two statues: one of Nikola Tesla holding an eagle and one of Adolf Hitler holding a crow. I felt the presence of these statues had saved the brick buildings from destruction, and the people flocked to the brick buildings in droves where they danced and spent money and purchased consumer products and watched TV together

>>41048928
>yea; looking through the whole periphery, being aware of your whole range of awareness at all times
>looking and reading the words on your computer screen while being aware of everything you see around the words and outside of the screen itself
I guess I'll add it to the list, but this is definitely a last resort method lol. This sounds like a huge mental strain. Within 6 hours it would begin to feel bothersome, and I'm pretty sure I'd catch myself often lost in thought having lost track of my awareness (this would probably be good for training concentration I guess).

Anon, only higher powers decide when you lucid dream or not. It’s a small whisper in dream that makes you conscious. We don’t get to decide when we ap or lucid dream. Maybe they consider you not ready yet. Describe briefly what you dream about and I can tell you in which realms you dwell and what is your spiritual progress outside of material excluding your spiritual experiences.
training ld or ap will increase the chances of because of frequency but ultimately it depends on your guides and what is necessary at the moment.
Last time I ap I got into trouble with entity that pinned me down unable to move my limbs it started eating my guts slowly, and that’s what I got for wanting to explore darkness. Moreover I couldn’t wake up I panicked, then I heard chorus of voices saying allow! Then I woke up.

I don’t know how people recognise difference between ld and ap when all ap has is vibrations stage (later after being experienced you don’t get it, it’s first stage of vibrations to prepare your astral body and build it) and feeling of separation from the body. No more differences I noticed.

>>41049199
Anon, only higher powers decide when you lucid dream or not. It’s a small whisper in dream that makes you conscious. We don’t get to decide when we ap or lucid dream. Maybe they consider you not ready yet.
Yeah, I'm just gonna talk past you after reading this nonsense lol.

To anyone else reading this thread, please don't let yourself get gaslighted by retarded nonsense like what that guy posted. Lucid dreaming is an already researched and documented phenomenon. Look up Stephen LaBerge, he's is an American psychophysiologist specializing in the scientific study of lucid dreaming, and he has tested and proven methods with a high success rate which he used himself to lucid dream on a consistent basis (he has books and even hypnosis audios for lucid dreaming). But there are always external factors that we may not even think of that get in the way of us being capable of doing something (like me staring at my computer screen that emits blue light all day even in the late hours of the night, which when I think about it has probably been the cause of my insomnia for years).

Never accept any weak pathetic narrative that limits your own power and choice. Always operate from the position that there is something you can do. Because if your position is it isn't in your control, why bother doing anything, just go watch some Netflix or something.

>>41049299
Oh boy you are in for a surprise

>>41049327
Yeah, sure....

Great thread! I've been trying "The Phase" direct method for too many weeks already, in very adverse conditions: noise, little time to sleep, interruptions (kids). I managed three experiences, after a few weeks: first one, I separated with great difficulty, like something viscous was retaining me. Looked at the mirror, saw myself and two diffuse figures, one to my left, the other to my right (I was expecting that, from horror films). Second experience,same night, I separated easily, went to lower floor, experience dissolved into lucid dream, then into normal dream. Third experience was a brief lucid dream.
It works, but in my conditions it takes many tries and it's exhausting. I believe I'm burn out and need to take a break.
One thing I don't like about The Phase is that the book suggests to lose oneself into self-complacent experiences (sex, astral tourism, visiting deceased relatives, etc.) I distrust that theme park mentality.

>>41049980
>One thing I don't like about The Phase is that the book suggests to lose oneself into self-complacent experiences (sex, astral tourism, visiting deceased relatives, etc.) I distrust that theme park mentality.
I didn't even read that far into the book, only attempted the method, and I would definitely avoid that way of thinking too. Just sounds like you are leaving yourself open to possession and/or abuse by unknown entities.

>>41049125
>>41049135
Has this reality shifting stuff ever worked for anyone that we know of?

>>41050182
>Has this reality shifting stuff ever worked for anyone that we know of?
OP Here
1. I've never believe in it, always sounded like absolute nonsense that can't be proven (it's unfalsifiable so it's most likely nonsense).
2. One thing I read about it completely turned me off from even wanting to try it (besides it being obvious garbage). A common theory is that when you "shift" another version of yourself get's left behind in your current reality and you take over the body of another you in the reality that you shifted to. Why the fuck would I want to take part in something like that lol. So I'm just going through the universe screwing over a bunch of me's and expecting no consequences from this at any point in the future?

>>41050207
Here is a compilation of posts of a guy who claimed to have reality shifted.
https://files.catbox.moe/iax7h5.txt

>>41050240
Meant for >>41050182

>>41050240
Honestly not interested in it, especially because of point #2 in my previous post. I want power that I can attain for myself in this world, not to replace somebody else's life. I also don't believe any of that schizo stuff just because somebody saved the posts, some people create high effort larps and with AI it's even easier to do things like that. You can get AI to write an entire manifesto of whatever crazy theory/belief you come up with.

Not only that, I've never seen a single person state anything useful that came out of shifting, it's always conveniently shifting in to realities that are "slightly different", it's never somebody shifting into the reality where they won the lottery. Heck, not even a guy shifting into the reality where he has a 10 inch dick lol. It's like they're shifting for the sake of shifting, no real benefit at all, replacing somebody else's life for absolutely no reason but "just because".

>>41050025
>sounds like you are leaving yourself open to possession and/or abuse by unknown entities
What makes you say that?

>>41050898
>What makes you say that?
What was said:
>One thing I don't like about The Phase is that the book suggests to lose oneself into self-complacent experiences (SEX, astral tourism, visiting deceased relatives, etc.)
Let's say you astral project and some unknown entity starts having sex with you, and you're just going to go along with it because it "looks hot"? lol

It could just be an illusion, a false appearance, and even if it wasn't, it could be draining you of energy that could be used to empower you in the future, thereby ruining your own potential.

The only thing I will have with any astral being, is conversation, nothing else.

>>41050917
You're the one making the entity

>>41050998
Then it's not an entity, it's a figment of my mind. You are playing pointless word salad games. It sounds as if you are saying no astral entities exist intendent from what we allegedly create (and if that's not what you're saying, then you need to be more specific about your wording).

>>41044345 (OP)
There's no magick pill. WBTB is the easiest method. But you don't have to get out of bed or try to fall asleep again. Instead, you have to train yourself to catch the moments when you wake up at night (you do this many times per night) and "leave" your body with techniques like spinning or others. It must be a habit for your subconsciousness - every time you wake up, you do a technique. That's it.

>>41051333
also this

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShiftYourReality/comments/166p9my/astral_travel_the_ultimate_astral_projection/?share_id=XvaAlZLqwVBt4Zd0ShV0H&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

>>41048627
Raduga has different book called Ultimate Yoga that I actually like better than "The Phase" as it's moreso meant for spiritually inclined people and doesn't include as much of his weird materialist worldview (which he seems to contradict often anyways) and IMO presents a lot of the same information better regarding techniques, and it's pretty hard to find, I was only able to find it by going to a sketchy .ru link in one of the older school of out of body pdfs. I uploaded in case anybody wants it.
https://files.catbox.moe/jcf3a2.pdf

>>41051333
>you have to train yourself to catch the moments when you wake up at night (you do this many times per night)
Dude, when I'm out I'm out lol. Even if it is supposedly an easier method, it's not really dependable and I don't think it's suited to me, and it's never how I made myself lucid dream in the past. What I really want is a more "direct" method.

>>41051513
>Raduga has different book called Ultimate Yoga that I actually like better than "The Phase"
Thanks, I'll check it out. I found a download on annas-archive.org though (you shouldn't probably save that site if you haven't already, even I found it late in life).

>>41051531
The one on annas archive is not the same, it's one of his many rebrands of "a practical guidebook" (like school of out of body travel, school of astral projection, the matrix is real) There's another version you can find by googling but that's not the right version either.

>>41051531
>What I really want is a more "direct" method.
That's exactly the opposite of Raduga then since his whole thing is teaching indirect method
You could try Robert Waggoner's "Lucid Dreaming Plain and Simple" or Robert Bruce's "Astral Dynamics" if that's what you're looking for

>>41051613
Also, Robert Peterson's "Hacking the Out of Body Experience" is a compendium of mainly direct methods with some indirect and lucid dreaming stuff too

>>41051547
Well I've downloaded yours too so I'll check it out.

>>41051613
>>41051622
Never even heard of that plain and simple book, will check them out. Astral Dynamics is actually pretty complicated, you have to basically learn to do Dharana concentration (I have the course downloaded and read some of the book, the requirements are kinda crazy).

>>41051696
All direct techniques are complicated and difficult and from what I've seen require either meditating hours upon hours to reach the jhana-level concentrated onepointedness you're talking about, mentally exhausting visualization practices, hours of tactile imaging etc. Meanwhile the first time I got vibrations was totally unintentional after only reading about indirect techniques and spontaneously waking up in a liminal state without even trying, just being able to recognize the phenomenon

>>41046676
Man, I think that happened to me a while ago. I kept getting woke up every 5-10 minutes for like 3 hours straight. Eventually I got the hum/full body buzz sensation going and started seeing a shadow person, realized that I was experiencing the first stage of sleep paralysis and decided to think really hard about going to a parallel world. That's when the wildest shit happened for me. The scenery in my room changed subtly, the shadow clarified into some George Foreman looking dude looking through my personal stuff. Then, like rapidly changing TV channels, the scenery changed more and more until everything was just different, and instead of being in my dirty ass bedroom, I was in a large apartment/duplex constructed mostly out of wood and glass, the world looking more nature-integrated than ours. I got to explore it a bit, eventually finding a computer and trying to use it. Unfortunately, I couldn't make heads or tails of the symbols, they were like a combination of the wingdings font, normal English punctuation, and the keyboard was missing a ton of functionality(basically a normal keyboard layout minus the numpad, F keys, and all the non-character keys except the spacebar, as well as there not being a mouse). The people I bumped into when leaving the apartment to check the cityscape seemed pretty concerned about me, asking if I was feeling alright. I didn't answer, since I wanted to poke around, but eventually got shifted into less fantastical places. Of the places I've gone in my dreams, it's like he 2nd most beautiful, and the only one where I both had control and the world around me responded like it was real.

>>41049176
>(this would probably be good for training concentration I guess)
its the concentration you need to enter a lucid dream at will

>captcha H0RNY