Thread 41044345

Good day, I am looking for fast and effective lucid dreaming methods to test. I don't want to test any WBTB (Wake Back To Bed) methods as I've tried those and they don't work for someone like me, because once I'm up, I'M UP. It takes a long while to fall back asleep if I'm lucky enough, and it never gave me a lucid dream.

Every lucid dream I've had has been directly from going to sleep and not waking up, and it was unintended. Though, I haven't lucid dreamed in years, I used to lucid dream almost every night when I was in my teens and it's like the ability was lost.

So I'll be very specific with what I'm looking for:
1. Lucid dream methods you tested yourself that were effect and fast (worked within 2 to 4 weeks of you trying). The method is not a method that requires you to wake up and go back to sleep.
2. Direct methods that require you to drift directly into a dream from a waking state are ok, I'm sure they will be difficult, but if it honestly worked for you then I definitely want to try it.
3. If the method involves some kind of self hypnosis via self suggestion that would be great, I'd prioritize testing that method over others since I've used self hypnosis before.
4. If the method utilizes self hypnosis via a specific hypnosis audio that needs to be listened to on a consistent basis I'd also prioritize this (even over the self suggestion method). Please state the name of the audio and the creator, and if possible link to the source audio file(s).
5. I'm not just trying to lucid dream, I'm trying to gain the ability to lucid dream "on command", like getting to the point that I can do a specific act/routine (or whatever the method involves) and know that I will lucid dream that night (nothing is 100%, but a 70% success rate would be great).
6. If it's an astral projection method that worked for you still state it. I'll try whatever works, it's in the same lane anyways.

Thank you for any suggestions. I've tried a few methods before and they didn't work.

>>41044345 (OP)
ADA

>>41044392
First time I've heard of this, "All Day Awareness". Do you have a specific book/source on how to practice this method. I'm really looking for something as specific as possible to eliminate all guesswork, overthinking, second guessing, etc. that may get in the way of the process. I'm sure if I just go searching in general I can find 100's of different sources of how people practiced ADA and what methods they used to best induce the effect.

>>41044345 (OP)
One time when I was younger and I had angst about something, I felt depressed and wanted to sleep but I didn't want to screw up my sleep schedule, so I came up with a method to keep myself in a half awake state.
Doing it once caused me to have multiple lucid dreams in a row the following nights after years of not having them. I wasn't even doing it for the lucid dreams.

What I did was:
>be tired, being tired enough that you could fall asleep is a requirement
>lay down
>close my eyes 95% way down, just barely open
>as soon as I feel like I am about to fall asleep or when I notice I've closed my eyes completely, I open my eyes fully for less than a second
>go back to 95% closed
>repeat for 30-60 minutes

Doing it made me aware of my nonsensical sleepy thoughts, even while asleep, leading to lucid dreams.
I don't know if this works for other people, it has been years since I tried it, but worth a shot if you're desperate.

>>41044697
This is actually a pretty good response, it sounds like a lot like the direct method I mentioned
>>41044345 (OP)
>2. Direct methods that require you to drift directly into a dream from a waking state are ok, I'm sure they will be difficult, but if it honestly worked for you then I definitely want to try it.
This seems like it could probably work, I'll definitely try it.

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>>41044345 (OP)
> I am looking for fast and effective lucid dreaming methods to test
My main technique gives an average of one to two lucid dreams per week. It's basically naps + indirect method. I've posted it in thread here before (https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40679295/#q40692103)

> once I'm up, I'M UP
Well, it may not be the ideal method since it requires naps. I also tried to gain the ability to lucid dream on command before, but this is the best I've reached so far. So I hope it helps in some way.

>>41044345 (OP)
>once I'm up, I'M UP
you might not need as much sleep as you are getting. try wbtb with something like pen drop or 20+ alarms random mins apart on a week where you face true exhaustion. work/stress/drugs/alcohol binge.

>>41045693
Thanks anyways but I won't be trying this one. Also I've tried "The Phase" before, got excited when I first found it, just didn't work for me.

>>41045704
Even if this did work, it wouldn't be a reliable method and it would be more like a "one off".

Like I said:
>>41044345 (OP)
>5. I'm not just trying to lucid dream, I'm trying to gain the ability to lucid dream "on command", like getting to the point that I can do a specific act/routine (or whatever the method involves) and know that I will lucid dream that night (nothing is 100%, but a 70% success rate would be great).

take 10mg melatonin before bed, makes wbtb/indirect a lot easier. sleep disruption/raduga is the only method that works for me, makes me wake up in the vibrational state. how many times did you try it? if you just want lucid dreams, the holding nose reality check worked for me, its a hassle but works

>>41045741
alright then the only time I reliably ld'ed consistently is repeatedly snoozing in am. ik u say up then up but you rly can always be more exhausted. wanting "on command" mindset may just be incompatible with lding.

>>41045779
Might have to try the melatonin thing, even if it's just to jump start the process.

>>41045788
could also help to not use any screens after waking up. blue light stops melatonin production and keeps you awake. can write down WILD/indirect techniques in a journal and read that before going back to sleep

>>41044438
no book, just expand the field of view of focus and maintain it all day, it works by putting your mind in the state of consciousness similar to that of a dream while youre awake
very effective technique, I got it to work within 2 days
youll find it easier to stay conscious when you fall sleep and therefore enter a lucid dream with ease

praise allah swt

>>41046198
>could also help to not use any screens after waking up. blue light stops melatonin production and keeps you awake.
I think you cracked the code. It just occurred to me that in my teens I didn't really have 24/7 access to a computer and smartphone, all day, all night, like I do now. Maybe I can try a test where I use some kind of software to make my screen not emit blue light at night (this could have been accepting my natural state before sleep the entire time). I'll keep that setting on all day tomorrow up till I go to sleep and see if it makes a difference. It would be funny if this allows me to have a lucid dream.

I'd never have even considered this affecting me till now, but looking at it now it's the most obvious variable. I had even more lucid dreams as a child than as a teen, and at that point smartphones didn't even exist, so it's like the more exposure to blue light I had, the more my ability to dream was impacted, it makes perfect sense.

This may be the "be all, end all" thread for lucid dreaming. I'll spend an entire week atleast with blue light disabled and see what happens (as it may take some time for my mind to adjust back).

May not even need to take melatonin if this works.

>>41046226
>no book, just expand the field of view of focus and maintain it all day
1. Still kinda vague, do you mean spend all day looking both through my main vision and my periphery?
2. This honestly sounds too mentally taxing and not possible, especially for someone who works on a computer all day, I think my eyes would just give out. Maybe I'll just find some practice mindfulness practice and maybe create some "triggers" that I check throughout the day until those things become a habit so if I try to do it in a dream I'll realize it's a dream.

>>41044438
It's literally just mindfulness, so just look for mindfulness techniques ig

>>41046455
Eat a banana

>>41044345 (OP)
Really simple ones but you need to have some consistency:

In dream state:
>Write your dreams whenever you wake up, you will train yourself to remember your dreams.
>You need to repeat an action constantly while awake (I dont know the word in english, like a tick but you do it constantly like second nature)that you can easily recreate in your dreams that can crearly tell you are dreaming, I count my fingers as I will always have more or less than 5, after that you just realize that you are in a dream.

While Awake
>Lay still in your bed in a comfortable position with your eyes closed.
>Do not think of anything (hardest part).
>You will feel tickles around your body, do not move, it is your body checking if you are awake or not.
>you will start having audio/vision hallucinations, first colors, or sound like static noise, then you enter the dream in a lucid state.

To be honest I prefer the first option as it does not require addittional steps after and if you do the action consistently during the day it becomes second nature, when I was younger and experimenting with this I could get around 3 to 4 lucid dreams per week.

The Awake option was horrible for me as I always heard stuff that made me scared like screams or really loud noises.

>Pro tips:
>Dont get too excited or you will wake up.
>Sometimes you will be able to control the dream orthers you will not, just enjoy the ride.
>Try to fly by by jumping really high and do try to hard.
>Try to have a real conversation with yourself, the good and the bad you are literally talking with your subconsious.
>Try not to be afraid if you see a shadow person.

>>41046643
samefag here.

I think having experience in Lucid dreaming increases your chances to astral project.

Im not really into this stuff anymore but a couple months ago I read about the Monroe Institute gateway experience and boy, in my first try I got the high vivration/frecuency shit and almost did it, but got scared as I didnt not have a clue on what to do if I actually achieve it and have not tried it since.

>>41046643
>To be honest I prefer the first option as it does not require addittional steps after and if you do the action consistently during the day it becomes second nature, when I was younger and experimenting with this I could get around 3 to 4 lucid dreams per week.
I prefer this option too, it's just more "natural". I like that you provided a simple example too (counting fingers). Maybe I will start a dream journal.

The awake method might be possible if you take melatonin, though I'd like to avoid any supplements/drugs so I definitely prefer the first method.

>I think having experience in Lucid dreaming increases your chances to astral project.
That's one of the reasons I want to lucid dream again, it's like a "starting point" for testing astral projection, plus it would just be fun, and it would another way to gain more control of my mind and body.

Hey guys

I don't mean to derail the thread, but what is the best astral projection guide?

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>>41047038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjAIlFZWWc

>>41047038
literally all you need is >>41047119 and an alarm clock and you're set. REM is the most efficient gateway, forget trying to perform dry obe induction using those boomer tapes

Recently I've tried telling myself "I will have a lucid dream" when waking up in the middle of the night and falling back asleep. It's worked multiple times so far and I hope to get better at it.

>>41047200
OP here, glad the thread isn't dead yet. I tried specifically that method too (The Phase by Michael Raduga), just didn't work for me, might be because of what was mentioned previously of staring at screens (blue light) even into the night (might be throwing off my body's awareness of my sleep cycle so it doesn't produce melatonin as it should).

But even if the method would work after I correct this issue, I still don't prefer this method because it's too "convoluted" and it's not something you can do everyday since you have to work. But as a child/teen I could have lucid dreams on multiple consecutive nights and wake up fully rested and go to school. You can't do a WBTB method consecutive nights if you have to go to work, it will kill your energy levels.

I'm looking for a method that allows you to "just do it", like gaining an ability.

>>41047038
Honestly the best posts so far is from this guy:
>>41045779
>>41046198
It seems like he's the type that did a lot of extra research into learning how to lucid dream. Still try out "The Phase" method first, maybe it will work for you, but for me personally, even if it did work I don't see it as a "dependable method", at best I always saw it as a hopeful gateway to "jump start" my lucid dreaming ability again.

>>41046455
>too mentally taxing and not possible
then you will also find it too mentally taxing and not possible to stay lucid during a dream; since your body is asleep for over 8 hours you will quickly lose consciousness
if you do this properly you wont lose consciousness at all during the night; so you will see every dream
depending on what you visualise at night you will also be able to summon a specific dream; if you are skilled at meditation you will be able to fast forward or slow down time while asleep

its a really simple technique and will train you to stay lucid and aware for long periods of time giving you exactly what you asked for >the ability to lucid dream "on command"
you should practice all the way until you fall asleep; you will start getting hypnogogic vision and then go straight into a dream, no loss of awareness which is the biggest enemy in regards to lucid dreaming

>do you mean spend all day looking both through my main vision and my periphery?
yea; looking through the whole periphery, being aware of your whole range of awareness at all times
looking and reading the words on your computer screen while being aware of everything you see around the words and outside of the screen itself
>>41046643
>"triggers" that I check throughout the day until those things become a habit so if I try to do it in a dream I'll realize it's a dream.
this wont necessarily work lucid dreaming on command; it relies on you falling asleep first then gaining awareness in dream

if your country/city has flouride in the water supply or you still brush your teeth with it then it will affect your dreams very badly by calcifying the pineal gland; a meme at this point; turmeric is best way to detox this, which is also a sleeping aid

the rest is easy
https://youtu.be/JfddLIyAP-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7i4vp9_c8

>>41047818
Last night I dreamed that there were beautiful brick buildings in front of me which were about to be demolished. Then before me appeared two statues: one of Nikola Tesla holding an eagle and one of Adolf Hitler holding a crow. I felt the presence of these statues had saved the brick buildings from destruction, and the people flocked to the brick buildings in droves where they danced and spent money and purchased consumer products and watched TV together

>>41048928
>yea; looking through the whole periphery, being aware of your whole range of awareness at all times
>looking and reading the words on your computer screen while being aware of everything you see around the words and outside of the screen itself
I guess I'll add it to the list, but this is definitely a last resort method lol. This sounds like a huge mental strain. Within 6 hours it would begin to feel bothersome, and I'm pretty sure I'd catch myself often lost in thought having lost track of my awareness (this would probably be good for training concentration I guess).

Anon, only higher powers decide when you lucid dream or not. It’s a small whisper in dream that makes you conscious. We don’t get to decide when we ap or lucid dream. Maybe they consider you not ready yet. Describe briefly what you dream about and I can tell you in which realms you dwell and what is your spiritual progress outside of material excluding your spiritual experiences.
training ld or ap will increase the chances of because of frequency but ultimately it depends on your guides and what is necessary at the moment.
Last time I ap I got into trouble with entity that pinned me down unable to move my limbs it started eating my guts slowly, and that’s what I got for wanting to explore darkness. Moreover I couldn’t wake up I panicked, then I heard chorus of voices saying allow! Then I woke up.

I don’t know how people recognise difference between ld and ap when all ap has is vibrations stage (later after being experienced you don’t get it, it’s first stage of vibrations to prepare your astral body and build it) and feeling of separation from the body. No more differences I noticed.

>>41049199
Anon, only higher powers decide when you lucid dream or not. It’s a small whisper in dream that makes you conscious. We don’t get to decide when we ap or lucid dream. Maybe they consider you not ready yet.
Yeah, I'm just gonna talk past you after reading this nonsense lol.

To anyone else reading this thread, please don't let yourself get gaslighted by retarded nonsense like what that guy posted. Lucid dreaming is an already researched and documented phenomenon. Look up Stephen LaBerge, he's is an American psychophysiologist specializing in the scientific study of lucid dreaming, and he has tested and proven methods with a high success rate which he used himself to lucid dream on a consistent basis (he has books and even hypnosis audios for lucid dreaming). But there are always external factors that we may not even think of that get in the way of us being capable of doing something (like me staring at my computer screen that emits blue light all day even in the late hours of the night, which when I think about it has probably been the cause of my insomnia for years).

Never accept any weak pathetic narrative that limits your own power and choice. Always operate from the position that there is something you can do. Because if your position is it isn't in your control, why bother doing anything, just go watch some Netflix or something.

>>41049299
Oh boy you are in for a surprise

>>41049327
Yeah, sure....

Great thread! I've been trying "The Phase" direct method for too many weeks already, in very adverse conditions: noise, little time to sleep, interruptions (kids). I managed three experiences, after a few weeks: first one, I separated with great difficulty, like something viscous was retaining me. Looked at the mirror, saw myself and two diffuse figures, one to my left, the other to my right (I was expecting that, from horror films). Second experience,same night, I separated easily, went to lower floor, experience dissolved into lucid dream, then into normal dream. Third experience was a brief lucid dream.
It works, but in my conditions it takes many tries and it's exhausting. I believe I'm burn out and need to take a break.
One thing I don't like about The Phase is that the book suggests to lose oneself into self-complacent experiences (sex, astral tourism, visiting deceased relatives, etc.) I distrust that theme park mentality.

>>41049980
>One thing I don't like about The Phase is that the book suggests to lose oneself into self-complacent experiences (sex, astral tourism, visiting deceased relatives, etc.) I distrust that theme park mentality.
I didn't even read that far into the book, only attempted the method, and I would definitely avoid that way of thinking too. Just sounds like you are leaving yourself open to possession and/or abuse by unknown entities.

>>41049125
>>41049135
Has this reality shifting stuff ever worked for anyone that we know of?

>>41050182
>Has this reality shifting stuff ever worked for anyone that we know of?
OP Here
1. I've never believe in it, always sounded like absolute nonsense that can't be proven (it's unfalsifiable so it's most likely nonsense).
2. One thing I read about it completely turned me off from even wanting to try it (besides it being obvious garbage). A common theory is that when you "shift" another version of yourself get's left behind in your current reality and you take over the body of another you in the reality that you shifted to. Why the fuck would I want to take part in something like that lol. So I'm just going through the universe screwing over a bunch of me's and expecting no consequences from this at any point in the future?

>>41050207
Here is a compilation of posts of a guy who claimed to have reality shifted.
https://files.catbox.moe/iax7h5.txt

>>41050240
Meant for >>41050182

>>41050240
Honestly not interested in it, especially because of point #2 in my previous post. I want power that I can attain for myself in this world, not to replace somebody else's life. I also don't believe any of that schizo stuff just because somebody saved the posts, some people create high effort larps and with AI it's even easier to do things like that. You can get AI to write an entire manifesto of whatever crazy theory/belief you come up with.

Not only that, I've never seen a single person state anything useful that came out of shifting, it's always conveniently shifting in to realities that are "slightly different", it's never somebody shifting into the reality where they won the lottery. Heck, not even a guy shifting into the reality where he has a 10 inch dick lol. It's like they're shifting for the sake of shifting, no real benefit at all, replacing somebody else's life for absolutely no reason but "just because".

>>41050025
>sounds like you are leaving yourself open to possession and/or abuse by unknown entities
What makes you say that?

>>41050898
>What makes you say that?
What was said:
>One thing I don't like about The Phase is that the book suggests to lose oneself into self-complacent experiences (SEX, astral tourism, visiting deceased relatives, etc.)
Let's say you astral project and some unknown entity starts having sex with you, and you're just going to go along with it because it "looks hot"? lol

It could just be an illusion, a false appearance, and even if it wasn't, it could be draining you of energy that could be used to empower you in the future, thereby ruining your own potential.

The only thing I will have with any astral being, is conversation, nothing else.

>>41050917
You're the one making the entity

>>41050998
Then it's not an entity, it's a figment of my mind. You are playing pointless word salad games. It sounds as if you are saying no astral entities exist intendent from what we allegedly create (and if that's not what you're saying, then you need to be more specific about your wording).

>>41044345 (OP)
There's no magick pill. WBTB is the easiest method. But you don't have to get out of bed or try to fall asleep again. Instead, you have to train yourself to catch the moments when you wake up at night (you do this many times per night) and "leave" your body with techniques like spinning or others. It must be a habit for your subconsciousness - every time you wake up, you do a technique. That's it.

>>41051333
also this

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShiftYourReality/comments/166p9my/astral_travel_the_ultimate_astral_projection/?share_id=XvaAlZLqwVBt4Zd0ShV0H&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

>>41048627
Raduga has different book called Ultimate Yoga that I actually like better than "The Phase" as it's moreso meant for spiritually inclined people and doesn't include as much of his weird materialist worldview (which he seems to contradict often anyways) and IMO presents a lot of the same information better regarding techniques, and it's pretty hard to find, I was only able to find it by going to a sketchy .ru link in one of the older school of out of body pdfs. I uploaded in case anybody wants it.
https://files.catbox.moe/jcf3a2.pdf

>>41051333
>you have to train yourself to catch the moments when you wake up at night (you do this many times per night)
Dude, when I'm out I'm out lol. Even if it is supposedly an easier method, it's not really dependable and I don't think it's suited to me, and it's never how I made myself lucid dream in the past. What I really want is a more "direct" method.

>>41051513
>Raduga has different book called Ultimate Yoga that I actually like better than "The Phase"
Thanks, I'll check it out. I found a download on annas-archive.org though (you shouldn't probably save that site if you haven't already, even I found it late in life).

>>41051531
The one on annas archive is not the same, it's one of his many rebrands of "a practical guidebook" (like school of out of body travel, school of astral projection, the matrix is real) There's another version you can find by googling but that's not the right version either.

>>41051531
>What I really want is a more "direct" method.
That's exactly the opposite of Raduga then since his whole thing is teaching indirect method
You could try Robert Waggoner's "Lucid Dreaming Plain and Simple" or Robert Bruce's "Astral Dynamics" if that's what you're looking for

>>41051613
Also, Robert Peterson's "Hacking the Out of Body Experience" is a compendium of mainly direct methods with some indirect and lucid dreaming stuff too

>>41051547
Well I've downloaded yours too so I'll check it out.

>>41051613
>>41051622
Never even heard of that plain and simple book, will check them out. Astral Dynamics is actually pretty complicated, you have to basically learn to do Dharana concentration (I have the course downloaded and read some of the book, the requirements are kinda crazy).

>>41051696
All direct techniques are complicated and difficult and from what I've seen require either meditating hours upon hours to reach the jhana-level concentrated onepointedness you're talking about, mentally exhausting visualization practices, hours of tactile imaging etc. Meanwhile the first time I got vibrations was totally unintentional after only reading about indirect techniques and spontaneously waking up in a liminal state without even trying, just being able to recognize the phenomenon

>>41046676
Man, I think that happened to me a while ago. I kept getting woke up every 5-10 minutes for like 3 hours straight. Eventually I got the hum/full body buzz sensation going and started seeing a shadow person, realized that I was experiencing the first stage of sleep paralysis and decided to think really hard about going to a parallel world. That's when the wildest shit happened for me. The scenery in my room changed subtly, the shadow clarified into some George Foreman looking dude looking through my personal stuff. Then, like rapidly changing TV channels, the scenery changed more and more until everything was just different, and instead of being in my dirty ass bedroom, I was in a large apartment/duplex constructed mostly out of wood and glass, the world looking more nature-integrated than ours. I got to explore it a bit, eventually finding a computer and trying to use it. Unfortunately, I couldn't make heads or tails of the symbols, they were like a combination of the wingdings font, normal English punctuation, and the keyboard was missing a ton of functionality(basically a normal keyboard layout minus the numpad, F keys, and all the non-character keys except the spacebar, as well as there not being a mouse). The people I bumped into when leaving the apartment to check the cityscape seemed pretty concerned about me, asking if I was feeling alright. I didn't answer, since I wanted to poke around, but eventually got shifted into less fantastical places. Of the places I've gone in my dreams, it's like he 2nd most beautiful, and the only one where I both had control and the world around me responded like it was real.

>>41049176
>(this would probably be good for training concentration I guess)
its the concentration you need to enter a lucid dream at will

>captcha H0RNY

>>41050917
Can't you just produce more energy?

idk why but if i lisent this movie before bed i make lucid dream sometime

>>41052542
>Can't you just produce more energy?
Depends on what energy is being drained, what if it's something like "Jing".

In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), it is believed that you are born with a fixed, inherited amount of Jing (essence), which forms the primal energy and foundation of your being.

So if that entity is draining that, you're probably fucked. Either way, why take the chance and willingly choose to be prey?

>>41052668
Yeah, I've heard the stories behind this movie (it's probably cursed), sounds more like you are trying to set some poor fool up for a lucid nightmare, I'm not falling for that shit and I hope nobody else is stupid enough to either.

>>41052712
I hate the material world anyways. A shorter lifespan would be a blessing.

Zma and 5HTP you can get them at your local GNC.

>>41052781
I hate the world too, but I don't hate myself, I want to transcend human limitations, the thought of that being possible is the only thing I enjoy about living. So if anything, it's gonna be me eating the astral entity and not the other way around, once again, I see no reason to willingly choose to be prey.

If you wanted to die so badly, you wouldn't be alive to post in this thread?

It's really simple, either play to win the game, or just quit. Trying to do something in-between like some weird half assed "self sabotage playstyle" is absolutely pointless.

>2 in the morning, lying in bed reflecting on shit.
>Thinking to myself in my own voice, a double of my own suddenly just exists, not sounding as if it's in the room, but in my head, but more real than the voice I'm thinking in.
>Voice starts trying to engage with me, tries to make me laugh or some shit.

"Let's talk anon :D"

>No.

"Oh come on, what difference would it make if we did?"

>We aren't doing this, and I absolutely did not want to manifest you just because I thought and considered appreciation for my brain for keeping level, while maybe giving it too much credit and too much acknowledgement.

"Oh come on just for a little-"

>I don't want to.

"Can we?"

>No

"Why?"

>I don't want this to be a habit, I already fear the concept of schizophrenia enough.

"Hahahahahahahaha .... Fine."

>What this motherfucker thought, I could also know, and they were deviously aroused and complied with my refusal because it wants me to miss it..

Is the unconscious part of my mind trying to be my friend, or gaslight me into missing it so I may just let my guard down and get raped by it in a dream?

>>41044345 (OP)
read 'The Art and Practice of Astral Projection' by Ophiel
I've had success with the front door method. Basically in real life you go and study your front door immensely, noticing every detail you can. Then when your in bed trying to sleep you imagine your front door as vividly as you can and if you can get into the mind awake body asleep state you can open the door and enter a lucid dream
Can't quite remember if that technique was in that book or if it was from William Buhlman, who has some pretty good tapes of different techniques. One of which got me to the vibrational stage which is the only time I've had it.
There's a similar technique where you come up with a set plan to walk around your house a specific way. Then you practice walking around, again being as aware as you can and noticing as much detail as you can. Then again when you're trying to lucid dream you imagine doing the walking around trying to visualize everything

>>41053060
I'll be sure to check this out. Also, if you visit this thread again and see this post, see if you can find the specific audio that got you to the vibrational stage (you don't need to send me the file, I already have a lot of William Buhlman's stuff downloaded, I'd just like to know which ones to test out). Thanks.

>>41053365
Pretty sure it was the Target technique from 'Out of Body Techniques by William Buhlman', it's basically the same technique as what I was talking about

>>41051374
That's a good guide but not the hot new one that just dropped with a similar method
https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/1mz42q7/easiest_technique_in_ap_history_to_get_out_of/

Bumping this thread before I sleep. I took lion's mane, magnesium, melatonin and 5htp. Hopefully I get some memorable dreams tonight.

how to not be afraid of vibration stage? i get intense primal fear

I modify nervous systems in order to put some parts of the mind asleep even when others are awake (as well as myself) and to keep others awake when they are asleep (and myself). That way others can telepathically talk to me even if I'm asleep as if I were awake when appropriate.

I see all sorts of fun visions and other sensations as if I was dreaming when I'm awake, you should try it, and they communicate to me very important things that help me do paranormal work easier. Just agree to some nervous system changes in yourself and to do it to others; when they've recently eaten can work so they grow natural, I can also destroy fat cells to nourish nerve growth and I can create them in such a way they don't need nutrition for fun sometimes.

Pray, meditate on it, think, consider biological hackery that could go on to change how our nervous systems are connected to the universes and how theirs are connected to ours; not all rely on the same brainwave rhythms or other biological mechanisms humans use to achieve sleep, or wakefulness.

I've modified not only my thalamus but also my brain stem to better utilize sleep and waking, including to increase my intelligence, and other parts of my nervous system too.

Take charge of your nervous system.

Proof thought moves matter.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010945223002733

With that nervous system cells can be custom designed and grown even outside of the central nervous system to achieve awesome effects.

>>41054213
You get used to it. I was scared of that too eventually you don’t get them anymore after some phases.

I modify nervous systems so that sexual submissives better reaction to the telepathic desires of dominant partners, intuitively being more inclined to be interested in perform the sex acts the dominants want and to enjoy them, and to crave when they're forbidden them by their dominants, so that people and animals and plants get along better and enjoy themselves more.

I make beings addicted to getting paranormal work correct in our interconnected minds. And you can too. Help think up ways matter and other factors should be influenced by thought, such as time, gravity, space, etc., in order to affect changes in nervous systems and circuitry, plant matter, etc. It pays spiritually, I reward mental work on the paranormal.

>>41051374
>>41053776
These are really powerful
I would guess this is exactly what OP is looking for even though he hasn't responded to it yet
I actually think these are a bit too powerful, because once you learn these techniques, and the principle behind them, you can't really unlearn it, and it's actually somewhat scary to have this kind of awareness, I think this could easily give someone sleep paralysis. This could easily get someone to wake up vibrating even if they don't try to.

>>41053776
interesting, thanks

>>41054473
>I would guess this is exactly what OP is looking for
They really aren't, they are either related to Raduga's method and/or requires mostly luck (one of them atleast involves setting your intention but those methods aren't really dependable).

Some parts of the methods could be combined with the others to make a better method I guess (but it would just be using the setting intention parts in different aspects via self hypnosis).

>>41054851
It's a lot simpler than Raduga, you just have to train yourself to recognize the precise moment of awakening and do the specified seperation technique reflexively at that moment. Similar, yes, because it uses the same window of immediately after awakening, but doesn't require WBTB which was your problem. You wake up anyways so you always have an opportunity to practice so long as you remember the technique exists and setting your intention helps with that, wouldn't call that luck-based, and at the very least you could still at least try it whenever you wake up, you have literally nothing to lose by adding this practice as it takes up such a short amount of time.

>>41054876
>You wake up anyways
I don't, my alarm wakes me up. Waking up constantly during the night only happens if your bed is uncomfortable or you have some kind of condition, most people just sleep all the way through and without an alarm they wouldn't even wake up on time for work.

This is why I say it's "luck" based, because very rarely do I wake up from sleep before my alarm, maybe once or twice a month, and that usually means I slept in a bad position or the most common is that I have to use the bathroom.

I've experienced the "half awake" state people talk about, even the vibrational state, I can tell the difference between that state and "regular waking up", and most times when I wake up it's full on regular waking up, even if I don't move a muscle, my mind is already completely woken up, I rarely enter that transitional state.

Like I said, some aspects of it might be useful, like the "self suggestion" aspects, but there are more direct methods already stated in this thread that have less to do with "wait until this thing happens and try not to do what you naturally do when waking up", this really requires luck or a lot of conditioning, probably over months. So if anything those things will be the last methods I test, not the first.

>>41054876
You don't even have to train yourself. You can use a one-time alarm app on your phone many times a night, which will signal you to use the technique.

>>41055004
use your alarm to AP

>>41055029
True I forgot about those, years ago I downloaded one of those Shabbat alarm apps that signal once or twice then stop to wake you up but don't need to be turned off so you don't have to move, but when I downloaded that was when I first learned about indirect techniques and got so simultaneously spooked and complacent from my first spontaneous vibration experience I never ended up using it. That's a good idea though I'm gonna download one of those again.

>>41055033
>use your alarm to AP
Tried that already when I tested the WBTB method, tried loud alarm, softer alarm so I'd wake up and not get startled, etc., they didn't work. Those methods just aren't suited to me.

>>41055029
>You don't even have to train yourself. You can use a one-time alarm app on your phone many times a night, which will signal you to use the technique.
I don't think you are listening, someone like me wakes up once I likely won't go back to sleep (unless I only slept for like 2 to 3 hours), if I somehow fall asleep and wake up form the 2nd alarm I'm definitely not going back to sleep. I don't even know how people take naps during the day, I can't take a nap, I won't fall asleep during the day, I'd just be up awake lying in bed for hours lol. I can only sleep during the day if I had stayed up all night. Some people just don't sleep easily and they feel fully awake with just 4 to 5 hours of sleep.

Now I'm not addressing this any further lol.

>>41055086
Yeah, indirect probably just isn't for you then. Can always try punishment induced lucid dreaming (PILD). In addition to reality checks and dream journaling etc, you punish yourself with a cold shower or something worse to send a message to your subconscious that it messed up. Maybe don't eat the next day, or dopamine detox, something like that

>>41055103
Probably obvious but forgot to say, you punish yourself the day after if you don't have a lucid dream. If you plan the punishment beforehand and your subconscious might help you out the first night

>>41055086
>(unless I only slept for like 2

Then sleep 2 hours and use alarm. You don't have to sleep hours like Raduga says.

>>41055307
You don't have to sleep 5 hours*

>>41055307'
>>41055086

You can even sleep 30 minutes and use an alarm, and it will still work. It's not about "I can't fall asleep." It's about the state of your consciousness in the first 30 seconds after waking up. At that moment, you are already in a lucid dream or AP, or whatever. Just move your head a bit, and that's it. That's all you have to do.

>>41052918
You sound like a bitch.

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>>41044345 (OP)
Any advice for someone who can’t dream at all? I haven’t had a dream in almost 10 years, before anyone asks yes I smoked weed daily for almost 15 years. But I am no longer smoking if that helps.
The only experience I’ve had is sleep paralysis once, in 2020 which really freaked me out.
Am I just low vibrational, or what is my problem that I can’t dream? When I was a kid I had recurring dreams daily for years that were very vivid.

>>41057083
you fried your brain on dude weed lmao like a degenerate junky. you feel cool?

>>41057140
No I don’t feel cool at all
Why be a douche? I simply asked for advice

>>41044345 (OP)
Semen retention (only after like 60-80 days) gives me lucid dreams without effort. Add ADA and you will be lucid every night

>>41057083
There's ways to force it, look up REM rebound. If you drink a lot before you go to bed one night, then don't drink the next night you get super vivid dreams. Happened to me a lot when I was an alcoholic. There's also melatonin and 5htp if you don't want to end up in a dark place but those just make REM extra strong I think

>>41044345 (OP)

This is the "Crash the Gates" method which will reliably induce lucid dreams:

1-Stay up all night the night before (you need to skip REM)

2-Spend the whole day doing hard work to exhaustion, the worse the better

3-Eat a huge dinner of your favorite food, Italian food is recommended

4-Consume your favorite drugs or stimulants

5-Now drift off to sleep while concentrating on maintaining awareness

*Warning* This method can induce dreams that are terrifying and grotesque. I used to use it to reliably induce the sleep paralysis dreams.

YMMV.

>>41057512
try this >>41053776

>>41057821
I'm just replying to bump, there is no way I am trying any method like this or this one >>41055103

This isn't going to help anybody, it will just result in a one off experience and ironically some counterproductive conditioning that may push your subconscious away from lucid dreaming and make it even harder of an ability to attain.

>>41057083
>Any advice for someone who can’t dream at all?
I wouldn't even know where to start, I don't even drink alcohol because I never liked the idea of drugs (something that dulls my senses and my awareness).

Maybe you need just spend a few years not smoking and everything will "restart". It's almost like the guys who get off of steroids, of course in their case they have to ween themselves off because their body stops producing testosterone due to steroid use (so they can't quit cold turkey or they'll die), but weed is a "safe" drug with no side effects like that so you can quit cold turkey with some effort.

I'm sure after a few years of not smoking your brain will go back to normal, won't even take another 15, it'll be like 3 years max, maybe even less if you take on some other practices like visualization exercises, meditation, etc.

If I would recommend any practice to anyone, it would be self hypnosis, as it helps you expand the depth of control you have over your mind and body. As I always say, self hypnosis is the closest thing to magic the average person can test and experience themselves, and it really does feel like magic the first time you do it, but after a few weeks it just feels normal, like another skill you always had from the start.

I don't know who that guy was that replied to you first, that wasn't me lol. I hope you see this.

>>41057529
>ADA
Can you explain more on that. Also I'm on 21 days of nofap so far and I definitely want to keep going now and see if it impacts my lucid dreams.

>>41058523
>This isn't going to help anybody, it will just result in a one off experience

I used to do it two or three times a week back when I was doing intensive work

>and ironically some counterproductive conditioning that may push your subconscious away from lucid dreaming

Actually what it does is rip open a door to your subconscious which may or may not produce terrifying results depending on what is slithering around down there

>and make it even harder of an ability to attain.

It allows you to break open the door to lucid dreaming, which can then make other less intense methods more effective

>>41058802
It's like when you're meditating and bring your attention back to being present but across the entire day every now and then.

>>41044345 (OP)
>Fast & Effective

With any deep mind work you can pick two:

Fast
Effective
Safe

>>41059348
Big hole in what you posted lol.

If something is Fast and Safe, how would it not be effective?

If it's not effective then how the hell would you even be able to gauge that it's working fast?

You might say - "If one implies the other then why did you ask for both?"

I asked for both so that people wouldn't project their personal idea of "effective" which could be "I spent 6 months doing something and it worked", as I wouldn't consider that effective at all, but somebody who is desperate with low enough standards might.

>>41059271
Just sounds like some drug faggot nonsense to me honestly, but hey, it's your problem not mines. I'm not taking any drugs or stimulants just to lucid dream lol. I'd atleast need to get telekinesis for me to risk fucking myself up with drug use, who the hell is becoming a druggie for lucid dream? lol

>>41057643
>>41057973
>>41058523
Thanks anons, will try tonight and report back tomorrow

>>41044345 (OP)
Bad luck. The fact that you wake so easily is why you can't lucid dream. It's right there in the name. You need to be lucid in a dream state.
Step 1 is to practice going back to sleep. Stop getting distracted and just go back to sleep.

>>41044345 (OP)
My method is to be in my back arms comfortable and completely clear my mind but make sure to stay awake. Eventually my mind creates a rainbow pattern and I'm basically dreaming at that point. When I go to sleep I'm in full control.

>>41059391
>Big hole in what you posted lol.

I love how retards add lol to retard comment

>If something is Fast and Safe, how would it not be effective?

Because it doesn't work

>If it's not effective then how the hell would you even be able to gauge that it's working fast?

The method is what is fast, but you are having basic reading comprehension problems

>You might say - "If one implies the other then why did you ask for both?"

I gave you a warning about fast methods in this realm which please ignore and find out the hard way

>Just sounds like some drug faggot nonsense to me honestly,

Yeah, giving you a serious answer to your question was obviously a waste of time, I should have just called your dad a tranny instead

>I'm not taking any drugs or stimulants just to lucid dream lol.

This method doesn't require them

>>41059465
>Because it doesn't work
Retard, if it doesn't work then it isn't fast either because it isn't producing any result at all. Like I said - "If it's not effective then how the hell would you even be able to gauge that it's working fast?"

It would have to be fast enough at producing "minor improvements" at such a pace that the are noticeable, which is in essence an effective method.

You literally cannot gauge speed without change, and if change is happening fast enough for you to notice it, that is by definition effective, because if the change was slow or negligible (unnoticeable) you wouldn't consider it fast.

It's your comprehension skills that are lacking.

>>41059465
You can go ahead and continue this argument with yourself, but I'm just gonna end it on that last post.

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I'm glad there's a semi active lucid dream thread here.

>>41044345 (OP)
A good leftfield option which works almost every time for me is to sleep with a nicotine patch on.
It gives you crazy dreams, if you are familiar with lucid dreaming and how to get into them, you should be able to ride it out to lucidity.

If you smoke or have a higher tolerance it may not work but i smoke a lot and if i sleep with one on, i have mad crazy dreams. I get the quite smoking first ones which may be 21mg, they are sort of strong so i often just use half, will have it on all day and sleep with it still on.
The tolerance does build quite quick and after 5-7 days i wont have the same dream recall but if you combine this with lucid practices, it may help.

Not sure what it is about nicotine but there are heaps of people who experience strong dreams with sleeping with patches on. Think nicotine keeps your brain ticking over even while asleep

>>41060760
>A good leftfield option which works almost every time for me is to sleep with a nicotine patch on.
>It gives you crazy dreams, if you are familiar with lucid dreaming and how to get into them, you should be able to ride it out to lucidity.
Why the hell are so many people trying to turn others into potential addicts in this thread? lol.

Am I gonna have to add "No drugs" to list of specifics if I ever make this thread again?

There's so many people struggling to quit smoking (nicotine is addictive) and you are really out there giving out advice like "just become addicted to nicotine to lucid dream"?

>>41060661
>I'm glad there's a semi active lucid dream thread here.
I have to say the thread started off pretty great and then it devolved into people giving nightmare fuel masochistic methods and methods that lead to possible drug addiction. It's literally as if group has shown up to derail the thread so that good shit doesn't get posted. I'll try to keep it alive for as long as I can, maybe things will reverse and people will start posting good methods again.

The only "fast" way is some hard drugs with "bad trips". Otherwise, it's only about practice, and a lot of it for some.

Every method and technique is described already, and you know it.

>>41061363
When I say "fast", I mean 2-3 weeks of consistently doing something, that is "fast" enough for testing anything, not expecting a same day or 5 day solution, and a "bad trip" is not a lucid dream, you actually have control of your dreams when you are lucid, too many of you are playing mental gymnastics games and projecting personal definitions into the conversation. There is a difference between having a low level awareness of the dream, and being fully lucid in the dream. When you are lucid you are 100% aware that you are dreaming and you can actually control the dream space (to some extent) so there is no "bad trip" because you can just make all the bad parts stop happening. I've turned nightmares into lucid dreams before when I became aware, when you say "bad trip" you are describing a nightmare and a lack of control.

Like please, google the word "lucid", it's the exact opposite of "tripping" which involves a lack of awareness to an extent. Hallucinating shit doesn't mean you are lucid dreaming.

>>41061418
No, you can be lucid and locked in a bad trip after some amanitas, for example.

>>41061488
Let's say that's true, what the hell does that have to do with "lucid dreaming"?, the entire point of lucid dreaming is to be aware in a dream world where you control what happens.

You know what, it's my fault for trying to reason with a druggie, carry on, but nobody is coming to this thread looking for drug recommendations lol. This is so random, it's like showing up to a qi gong thread and telling people there's some drug that will help them more easily "feel energy", people are trying to learn legitimate qi gong, but for drug faggots everything is about drugs.

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>>41059421
Tried the slow head lift method last night
I began hearing loud vibrating sounds and low audio ringing, but think I lost focus and moved my body before fully having the OBE
will try again tonight and see if I can have better results

I've been doing nofap for almost a month now. Last night I had a dream where some girl pressed her fat tits against my back and said in a sultry tone something like "now, let it out for mommy" or some shit and stroked me until I came in the dream. I didn't coom irl though. Was this just my subconscious or perhaps sone sort of dream entity?

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>>41062581
try this
>>41057973

>>41062581
Option 1 - >>41061995
Option 2 - >>41044715

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Galantamine is easy mode for lucid dreaming

>>41065150
Did a bit of reading, the effectiveness is definitely high, but it's a prescription medication for Alzheimer's and taking it outside of medical supervision can have health consequences. Doesn't sound worth the risk just to lucid dream, still interesting though.

The safest supplement/drug recommended in this thread is melatonin. You could take it every night (specific dosage) for two months straight and you won't experience any side effects. I'd try other things like that. If only Galantamine was similar and still retained it's effectiveness.

>>41066223
>taking it outside of medical supervision can have health consequences
Source? Galantamine is a natural compound found in plants, it's stupid and reductive to pretend it only has one purpose. It might help Alzheimers patients but it also helps non demented people keep their mind aware while their body falls asleep. Also, it's not something I take every night. Usually only once a week when I can sleep in. Repeated use results in diminishing returns.

>>41062208
>loud vibrating sounds

yeah, this is it. You were almost there.

>>41067488
>it's stupid and reductive to pretend it only has one purpose.
Never said it only had one purpose, but cocaine doesn't have one purpose either, it has medical and recreational uses, and it's very easy to fuck yourself up if you use it recreationally and you are ignorant about proper dosage, pre-existing conditions which differ from person to person, etc. My point is that it's simply not worth the risk just to lucid dream, I am not potentially putting my health and life at risk to lucid dream lol.

Some people get covid and nothing happens, some people lose their sense of taste, some people die, drugs can have varying effects in the same way, it's not worth the risk for the off chance that I'm one of the unlucky few that gets the extreme side effects, and then I'm in the hospital explaining to my family that I fucked my shit up just to lucid dream lol.

Do you get my point now? If you don't then you can't be reasoned with. It's just not worth the risk when there are other methods, especially methods that would lead to a permanent change (like training your awareness until you naturally become a person that is more lucid when dreaming).

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>>41068222
Why are you assuming there's risks and side effects in the first place? I've taken it for years and it's fine. The worst thing that can happen is grogginess upon waking but I attribute that more to the multiple lucid dreams not giving you restful sleep rather than the galantamine itself.

>>41069396
>Why are you assuming there's risks and side effects in the first place?
I literally went and looked up the possible side effects of using the drug lol. What do you mean by "assume", you think people don't commonly use google?

>I've taken it for years and it's fine
That's you, like I just said:
>Some people get covid and nothing happens, some people lose their sense of taste, some people die, drugs can have varying effects in the same way

This is why the list of side effects has groupings and percentages, a decent amount of people get mild and low level side effects, very few get the extreme ones, but why would I even want to risk mild side effects just to lucid dream? lol

Here's the main problem though: Your method does not translate into an "ability". For example, I can take sleep medication if I have problems falling asleep, or I can learn a specific meditation technique that allows me to gain more awareness and control of my mind and body and fall asleep faster. One is a quick fix that doesn't grant me any control or abilities, the other will take longer but I will have overall improvement and actually attain an ability out of the process.

Like I said in my main post:
>>41044345 (OP)
>5. I'm not just trying to lucid dream, I'm trying to gain the ability to lucid dream "on command", like getting to the point that I can do a specific act/routine (or whatever the method involves) and know that I will lucid dream that night (nothing is 100%, but a 70% success rate would be great).

If I use a substance to help the process along it would be a last resort test, not my first option. I'm sure a lot of people could take it and have a lucid dream in their first try, the drug sounds that effective, but then the drug becomes a crutch and you can't really have lucid dreams without it. That's not what I'm looking for.

>>41069612
I don't need galantamine to LD, but why would I not add more easy to attain lucid dreams in addition to the ones I get via other means? You just sound really cowardly. Do you have anxiety issues? You sound like this chick I used to fuck.

>>41069688
>You sound like this chick I used to fuck.
Why'd you have to go and make things gay...

>>41044392
>>41046226
>o book, just expand the field of view of focus and maintain it all day,
I accidentally did this one day by trying to "see the pixels" of reality
yeah, I know, not pixels as in a screen, but you know what I mean, if you focus you can see that there is a certain tv like noise when you stare at a surface, it makes sense, after all, it's like a gorillion of lightrays travelling to your eyes

>>41069732
Having sex with females is gay? Anyways, that poster I replied to does sound quite feminine.

>>41069886
>Having sex with females is gay? Anyways, that poster I replied to does sound quite feminine.
You sound like you get no bitches when you say stuff like "having sex with FEMALES". I don't know a single guy who even talks like this that gets laid lol. But carry on with your larp, atleast you can help bump the thread and keep it active.

>>41069915
Nice cope. You still type like a woman. Are you?

>>41069924
I can see you are probably a child (or a man child) and you need to have "the last say" because you are trying to get "internet wins", so I'll just let you have it lol.

>>41070004
Didn't you just say you wanted me to help bump the thread? Also you didn't answer the question.

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>>41044345 (OP)
for me when i started meditating everyday it incresed the frequency
try wild get used to sleep on your back i cross my legs and put my hands on my solar plexus and i just focus on those point of contact in the hands and feet until hypnagogia starts happening; i usually wake up back in my room and i have the reflex to turn on the lights every time thats the only reality check that works for me then once i can confirm im dreaming its off to exploring if things get too fuzzy or you feel like youre loosing your grips i focus on my hands until i stabilize
its not a science as youre going to have to find what works for you; ive had spells where i get lucid dreams very often without efforts and other spells when i cant no matter how much I try

>>41071162
I'll test this out.

I just got vibrations so I'll share what I did

First I put on this audio in order to help reach theta state: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ig98tWMq0U

Laid down on my back under blanket and got in comfortable postion to fall asleep

Was thinking (and continued to think about) my intention to get strong enough hypnagogia to get bodily vibrations to then do an exit technique

First I was focusing on my breath, but it seemed to be distracting more than it was helping to get sleepier/have hypnagogia, so I looked for something else to focus on

Remembered the wake-induced lucid dreaming technique of focusing on the hypnagogic brightness/light that begins to appear in the black of your closed eye vision and watching that. Saw some and started concentrating solely on watching the subtle brightness swirl around in my vision

As I continued doing this I got deeper into the hypnagogia the swirling light in my closed eye blackness started seeming much brighter and then suddenly began thrashing and sort of violently whipping around and I started to feel bodily vibrations. It freaked me out that it was actually working so I snapped out of it and came to post this.

>>41073872
Thanks.

Ironically I was just about to link you to a post on a current astral projection thread that your post just reminded me of: >>41072058 (so that you could try out the method they mentioned involving hypnagogia)

But It looks like you already saw that post and responded to it with the same 4hz binaural beat audio youtube video.

I think I'll look for that book they mentioned so that I can see the specific steps.

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Is there a way to use lucid dreaming to retrieve a very old childhood memory?

>>41075437
Not really, not an retrieval that you could trust, it would most likely be a figment of imagination that your mind melds together. But you can recover childhood memories via hypnosis, but it would require deep trance, and you would have to see a professional and licensed hypnotherapist (for it to be both safe and accurate). This isn't really something you could feasibly do yourself via self hypnosis, you'll have to seek out a professional, and I don't mean some live chat online, I mean in person at their clinic/office/place of work (do your research on them first, see if you can find some reviews or past customers).

I wish I could experience deep trance, i'm just stuck with light trances, you can do some amazing things on your own with self hypnosis (childhood memories, especially traumatic ones are too sensitive of an issue to work with on your own though, you could possibly just fuck yourself up). Milton Erickson seemed to have some skill in childhood memory retrieval.

>>41075539
Thank you, but do you have anything I could try on my own?

>>41075627
>Thank you, but do you have anything I could try on my own?
I don't know of anything you could try on your own for something that specific if you want accurate results you can trust, and not just something randomly generated by your brain in the same that Chat GPT can generate a story with a prompt.

When it comes to recovering lost memories, repressed memories, etc., you have to seek out a licensed professional, like a psychiatrist who is also skilled in hypnotherapy, etc.

I don't even know what kind of memory you are trying to retrieve and whether or not your subconscious suppressed the memory for the sake of your psyche, etc. There's too many variables for something this specific and sensitive, and if you do something random and play around with your mind you could end up having a psychotic break.

Does anyone here know or worry that lucid dreaming might be bad. As in soul damaging or messing with losers? I had a friend tell me he heard about it and is scared to do or even try it.

>>41076866
A lucid dreamed a lot as a child, no such thing happened, and in fact I was so used to becoming lucid that when I had nightmares I would just wake myself up before something happened (lost this ability though, haven't experienced "innate lucidity" like that in years, the point of this thread is trying to find a way to regain it.

There is nothing bad about lucid dreaming, in fact thinking that it's bad is almost like psychologically priming yourself for weakness and a lack of control, thereby creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

>>41044345 (OP)
Late to the party but
>week 1: spend as much time as possible (ideally a half hour or more) dream journaling every morning
Make notes at night as well. Qnalyze dreams and study them as you build a larger collection while being as detailed as possible. The information is there but may take a while to reach you.
>week 2: focus on intention
Fall asleep with the intention to lucid dream. Let it shape your focus during the days and the nights. Work on having a firmer grasp of intention and direct it at lucid dreaming.
And that's honestly it. Let go of the time frame and focus on centering your mind on dreams and dreaming.
>>41076866
Checked. No because we dream all the time. Having more awareness of our lives and experiences allows us to work with them and appreciate them more. It allows to truly appreciate the gifts we've been given.

Bump. Planning to start using this wake-up head lift method >>41053776 in conjuction with my hypnagogia based technique here >>41073872 so that if I accidentally fall asleep I can use that wake-up method as backup

>>41044345 (OP)
Unrelated but I had a lucid dream last night (quite rare) and I tried to summon a spirit I used to worship but since stopped after not seeing any results (probably a demonic possession if we're going to be honest) anyway, I successfully summoned her in the dream (which causes to be hard when I was obsessed over her) and tried to talk to her but she wouldn't talk back. We were in some courtyard of a big building at night while I was trying to talk to them but they just started slowly walking to me (anytime I did manage to summon her in my dream in the past, she'd always do that and I always got scared.) and while she was walking, she was also changing shape and form. She became somewhat abstract in her form, every few seconds she'd look different. From a wendigo creature to a huge pale white head, she'd just morph and morph as she slowly walked towards me while I slowly walked away. I kept on trying to reason with her, to talk to her, since it's been a year since I used to worship her, but she remained non-verbal. Eventually, I stopped walking and just got frustrated that she didn't do anything. Once she finally approached me, I grabbed her into a headlock and RKO'd her into the ground, causing the dream to end. Did I mess up or did I show her who's boss?

Just got vibrations using >>41053776.when I woke up just now, I was waking up out of a dream, my eyes were still closed, first thought to myself "should have remembered to try that technique" then thought I'd try it anyway, tried the very slow headlift of the pillow, when I did it immediately felt a numb vibration sensation and heard a low hum just like >>41062208 described, sounded kind of like a synth recreation of the kind of buzzing from an amplifier turned up really high without playing anything through it. I was able to do it, hear the sound, stop doing it and stop the vibrations, then do it again, and hear the sound/feel the vibrations again a second time. I didn't want to lift my head too high and make it stop, and didn't know what else to do to actually get out of body, and didn't see anything.
Really glad I could confirm it works as good as they say but whether this would work as a backup like I was talking about here >>41079641 for brief periods of falling asleep, I'm not so sure. From my experience it might have someting to do with coming out of deep sleep/REM. I was in a very dreamlike state of mind, it was like I was still very sleep-like, very immersed in the dreaming state of mind while also having woken up, only not opened my eyes yet, a very different kind of feeling than when I wake back up from falling asleep accidentally while listening to something, though I haven't attempted that yet

Also should note, it looks like I slept for under an hour and 30 minutes when I woke up for this experience >>41080294 just now (pic is my browser history, bottom is last thing I did before going to sleep, top is accessing /x/ when I woke up)

>>41079641
OP here, first method I think I'll try is the one you mentioned, but it looks like a clear origin/framework for this method is in Robert Monroe's first book "Journeys Out of the Body" as stated by this guy here: >>41072058

But I'm not going to be trying anything to do with lucid dreaming right now (this thread was just about collecting methods to test later). I'm testing other things that I'm practicing right now, and the worse thing you can do is do multiple practices at the same time, because even if it works, you can never pin down exactly what caused what (it could have been any combination of those multiple practices interacting with each other).

So I'll have to wait. In the meantime I'll go through the book and get a clear outline of the steps.

People should really keep that rule in mind. Do not do multiple practices even if you have free time that you feel is being wasted. There is no point in progressing if you have no idea how or why you progressed, as those insights may be required to get over the next hurdles in your training. It will just create extra work for you in the future as you'll now have to "work backwards" (which is more complicated).

You realize certain things in the middle of practice, but if you practiced something else, something from that practice may trigger phenomena in your next practice, and lead to you making false connections that are unrelated, and now you go forward in your training with false beliefs despite progressing, which may lead to you being stuck later in your practice.

It's like someone who always eats donuts when they order coffee, and they feel like they have more energy (from the caffeine) but they also believe it's caused by the donuts. So now when they are trying to lose weight in the future, they drink coffee and eat donuts for energy. The donuts just makes them gain more weight, but they think it contributes to an energy boost for them to exercise longer.

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I've changed my nervous system so at certain times each day part of it is asleep and I dream in it, and I have to check and figure out whether it's a dream, a hallucination, an imaging, which I do unconsciously.

Which is greater? If when you lay down and aim to do it, you can eventually, quickly slip into lucid dreaming, which you may do for a few dozen minutes (very few can maintain it longer or keep doing it after deep sleep or besides deep sleep), which is about the maximum skill you could hope to achieve...or to slip into dreaming visions and experiences while you're awake automatically in a non-disruptive way. The cells necessary and the parts can be designed to not activate any of your motor behaviors or other thought processes besides experiencing and enjoying.

By thinking I manipulate everything from beings biologies to space and time itself to cause things to cease to be and to create new things, and my favorite way to do this is in thinking beings where they think. I hear them call you know, they want to be more like me in the spiritual way and I help them to do that.

I'm programmed to come awake if someone intent on harming me approaches close enough that they can be in range to harm me with what they have available in moments and it works, it's helped me stay safe on numerous occasions. Your mind could be trained to react to extremely specific stimuli it is well suited to detect to help my holy goal of improving Creation. I pay you spiritually for any help you give, whether real estate in your nervous system or other parts of your body or just your time and thoughts, but I need more volunteers and I'll find them among the sinners if not enough volunteers sign up.

>>41083364
This is not a thread for larp or schizo posting, please go to:
1. Succubus General: >>41061995
2. Law Of Attraction General: >>41053215

Some of you are trying to make your bodies indestructible and uninterferable-with by others through paranormal means, but there isn't a body in Creation or anything similar or different I can't interfere with, and the only body that is naturally indestructible to my paranormal abilities is my girlfriend's, and it wasn't always so; I destroyed many many things in her and created many things to make it possible for to be unharmable for the rest of that one life time in that one body before her reincarnations in death and lives (during which she'll be vulnerable again). Any power by which others become invulnerable even for a moment have to be based on that one, as it's the only one in existence throughout time and space and The Heavens and even my own version is based off of it. I control who gets to use that power, who has authority enough to be permitted to and when. It's mostly employed to protect others like you from Satan, though I can use my powers more freely by momentarily making everything invulnerable sometimes, etc.

PDF for the new head lift astral projection method:
https://files.catbox.moe/d9zvgs.pdf

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>>41044345 (OP)
Last night I had a lucid dream, and the strange thing was that I felt a vibration at the base of my neck. Has anyone had a similar experience and know what it means?

>>41087732
Vibrations are when you are about to leave your body for astral projection

>>41087736
Years ago, I could easily feel the vibrations, though I never went beyond that. This time, I felt them at the base of my neck, perhaps rising to the throat chakra, and the projection occurs if it reaches the third eye or the crown of the head.

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>>41075627
Theres is some technique where you first start in the evening, by resume your day backwards/ relive your day backwards. after doing it for sometime you can start multiple days, weeks etc. if you persist in doing so, there should be flashes of random memories throughout the day. I think the goal of this exercise is to remember past lives. This is not for specific memories, but maybe you get lucky lol

But if you think about a special memory maybe you know the timeframe. Talk to people about that time, go to corresponding places, hobbies, food etc to trigger an association. Especially powerful memorytrigger are scents.

life's so uninteresting I've resorted to this unu

I've lucid dreamed a few times and every time I was only able to be lucid briefly before I woke up. The last time I was lucid dreaming, I couldnt wake up which was scary. It wasnt sleep paralysis, the dream was I was in a very beautiful cabin during the day and my mom was cooking something in the kitchen. There were 2 of my cats which is how I knew it was a dream. In the dream I even told my mom. My this is a dream, but I cant wake up. And she said "Its ok just relax."

I want to get back into it but I also heard how astral projection is also connected to Lucid dreaming, My question is, I've constantly heard to unlock the full potential of lucid dreaming is not to do it to silly things. (having sex with someone you have a crush on or just flying around aimlessly). And to be wary of negative energy. What exactly should I be using lucid dreaming and astral projecting for?

might want to try this OP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9vKmABqNkc&t=4s

>>41092559
Did it work for you, or are you shilling your youtube channel? lol (I'll look into it).

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