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Anonymous No.41049746 [Report] >>41049785 >>41051472 >>41051948 >>41053432
The miracle of our lady of fatima is good evidence for Catholicism
The miracle of our lady of fatima is good evidence for Catholicism

0. Introduction
This is the first installment in a series of articles surveying the evidence for Catholic miracles. My objective is to present the miracle case for Catholicism in a way that is rigorous enough to persuade those that are strongly predisposed towards skepticism. That means every claim has to be established by contemperanous sources and every skeptical explanation has to be excluded by multiple lines of evidence.

In this post, I focus on the evidence for Our Lady of Fatima. In the first section, I demonstrate that skeptical explanations of the apparitions that were reported by the seers are untenable. In the second section, I demonstrate that skeptical explanations of the Miracle of the Sun are not tenable either. In the third section, I conclude that the best explanation is that Fatima was divine vindication of Catholicism. In the fourth section, I respond to the strongest objections to that conclusion.

1. Six Apparitions
An adequate theory of Fatima has to explain the six apparitions.

(Preannounced schedule) - Between May 13th and October 13th, 1917, Lucia dos Santos (age 10), Francisco Marto (age 9), and Jacinta Marto (age 7) reported six apparitions. After the first apparition on May 13th, Lucia reported the apparition told the children to return to the same location, the Cova da Iria, once a month for six consecutive months, on the thirteenth day of each month.1 On August 13th, the children were detained by a local official, which prevented them from visiting the Cova that day.2 On August 19th, the children reported a ‘make-up’ apparition at Valinhos, a field about a mile away from the Cova.3 The rest of the apparitions conformed to the schedule that had been announced in May.4

Continued here https://motivacredibilitatis.substack.com/p/our-lady-of-fatima#footnote-anchor-49-169864342
Anonymous No.41049785 [Report] >>41049791 >>41049800
>>41049746 (OP)
For the believer, no proof is necessary.
For the unbeliever, no proof is enough.

The problem is most people argue for or against God from the unspoken premise of "God doesn't exist". Of course every conclusion is going to support that premise.

When talking about Catholicism, most people start with the unspoken premise that Catholicism is a false man made institution, and again, their conclusions can't go against the premise.
Anonymous No.41049791 [Report] >>41049796 >>41049799
>>41049785
That's a false dichotomy
Anonymous No.41049796 [Report] >>41049803
>>41049791
What dichotomy? I said nothing about two states. I said most people argue in bad faith (aware or not) with an unspoken premise.
Anonymous No.41049799 [Report]
>>41049791
Oh, you mean the "lust provoking quote"? That's obvious bullshit just to get anons to read my reply.
Anonymous No.41049800 [Report]
>>41049785
I wont say it was 100% but the miracles at fatima certainly contributed to my conversion.
I would say that no proof is enough for those who refuse to believe
Anonymous No.41049803 [Report] >>41049808
>>41049796
There are people who are open minded and want it to be true but don't believe.
There's people who believe there's evidence that Catholicism is false
Anonymous No.41049808 [Report] >>41049897
>>41049803
Yes, that's true. The quote is badly worded to imply a false dichotomy, althought it doesn't necessariyl say it. For the believer, such, for the unbeliever, such, for everyone else, you could argue and convince them. Again, it was so incidental to my point I didn't even notice you were replying to my "lust provoking" quote.
Anonymous No.41049897 [Report] >>41049913
>>41049808
That's alright my bad
Anonymous No.41049913 [Report] >>41050206
>>41049897
Not at all, it was atually my bad, with a bad lust provoking quote. I apologize.
Anonymous No.41050206 [Report]
>>41049913
No problem
Anonymous No.41051061 [Report]
Bump
Anonymous No.41051169 [Report] >>41051391 >>41051462 >>41051498
From my research, there are a few Gods that have used different names when dealing with different cultures, but they used the same titles for every culture. There’s one that likes to be called Lord/Lady, which is BAAL (BAAL means Lord), and Jesus hates Him and specifically tells in the Gospel that he will reject those that come to Him calling him Lord. Well, It just happens that Lord in Aramaic is spelled Mary/María, and in the West we got it wrong and we took it as the name of the mother of Jesus, who in Aramaic is Miriam/Mariam. So, the María of Fatima and the Catholic Church is likely BAAL, who can appear as either gender. Other god used the title King (for example Moloch). It could be that the God of Jesus is Sin, because he uses the title Father.
Anonymous No.41051391 [Report] >>41053442
>>41051169
What if this is just law of attraction and God isn't real
Anonymous No.41051462 [Report]
>>41051169
I'm gonna be that guy, 'Lord' is just another word for King and lots of people throughout the bible are called lord (King David comes to mind). Calling Jesus Lord is the same as calling Him king and it's not a reference to Baal in any way. And if you're wondering what God the Father thinks of 'Baal' He was repeatedly instructing the Israelites against the worship of it and radically removing anyone who claimed to be a 'prophet' of the creature pretty consistently. Your interpretation doesn't hold up at all unless you throw out all references made to what we know about Baal in favor of your own fanfic.

Back on topic, someone correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't the first Mary apparition appear to some kids a few times, lie about when ww1 would end, then disappear? That's what I've heard thrown around but I don't actually know what the catholic verdict is.
Anonymous No.41051472 [Report]
>>41049746 (OP)
SHE IS AN ALIEN
READ
>>41051428
Anonymous No.41051476 [Report]
I won't worship Mary or pray to a statue or pray vain heathen rosary. Catholicism doesn't exist in heaven.
Anonymous No.41051498 [Report]
>>41051169
Jesus himself is similar to Baal, because Baal is the same as Hercules and Dionysus

The whole mystery associated with him was that he died and was resurrected. If in Egypt and Greece this is clearly visible, then in others it is not so, but in Babylon Marduk was saved by his son Nabu (Mercury). There is also a myth about Illuyanka where the son acts as a trap for the monster. In Greece, thanks to Dionysus (who essentially acts as a trap), Zeus manages to defeat the Titans

in short, there was a father + son connection

and yes, there really aren't that many gods and in Babylon they knew this, so Marduk absorbed most of the gods

+the myths got mixed up, in the Phoenician history of Philo it is said that Thoth-Mercury confused the myths
Anonymous No.41051948 [Report]
>>41049746 (OP)
What if this is just good evidence miracles exist and not necessarily good evidence Christianity is true
Anonymous No.41053432 [Report]
>>41049746 (OP)
But why would The Creator even put on the show of fighting "Satan" when he could just snap the Devil and all his forces into non-existence. You still believe you're worshiping The Creator?
Anonymous No.41053442 [Report] >>41053462
>>41051391
How can a being have the ability of a conscious force, but no acknowledge it would have come from somewhere.
Anonymous No.41053462 [Report]
>>41053442
Turtles all the way down.
Consciousnesses came first "matter" came after