Thread 41050033

Yes (YOU)
Explain yourselves

>>41050033 (OP)
Bump

>>41050033 (OP)
If you are going to be sure immature and childish what’s the point of following a spiritual path, whether pagan or Christian? Aren’t we supposed to break out of cultural conditioning and preconceived notions, and that includes if something is ‘gay’ or not?

>>41050165
being gay is bad according to Christianity
morality is also written on my heart right?
This is gross

>>41050165
> Aren’t we supposed to break out of cultural conditioning and preconceived notions
What? No. Who said we’re supposed to do that?

>>41050033 (OP)
Transmutation is satanic.
"This is my body, this is my blood" - symbolized by bread and wine.
Meaning - don't do what the rest of Judea is doing, it is abhorrent to God.
Meanwhile the babylonians and cannanites were eating human flesh and drinking blood, as they continue to do to this day.
The church - all of it - is Paulist, babylonian, following Saul and having a pharisaical class of priests that act as the middleman between God and his followers.
>OP is not a faggot and brings up an excellent point.

>>41050170
Seek truth and the actual reason behind things instead of dogma, any religion is useless if blindly cling to what you are ‘supposed’ to believe instead of the inner truths behind them out of a fear of going to hell

There is in truth no such thing as sin, only adultery from the truth and misalignment from the logos. For all is a conversation between man and God, and we can only comprehend God through ourselves. The laws of Isreal were oppressive because who can expect to capture the unspeakable? How can you capture lightening at the bottle? They were truly the best attempt of Bronze Age men and their preconceived prejudiced beliefs to write down the Will of God in law form, but such thing is impossible so despite that they are a mockery of the eternal truth. These laws existed in the context of their time, no written law can be eternally true, only the living spirit is. In those days there was no such concept of being gay, bi or straight and sexuality was used in a social context of domination (your sexuality was much more defined by social contexts, not at all by whatever gender you were attracted to, I mean we all know about Greece or Rome). We live in a world where people are inherently this or that, so we understand that people have an inherent rite to who they are, this inherently beingness in terms of sexual identity was not something that was conceived in the ancient world. You didn’t even have a right to chose if you were a sexual slave enuch concubine or not, it was just the role you played in society. Paul speaks against homosexuality because despite receiving the spirit he still had his personal prejudices, receiving the spirit does not make you infallible, perfect or eternally right. What the spirit does do is to be ever living, so our understanding of Paul’s words completely changes today into something he wasn’t even consciously aware of, so even if his words within of themselves aren’t the spirit they are the vehicle

>>41050202
I wonder if religious fundamentalists must have a higher rate of having autism, due to their lack of being able to understand nuances

>>41050251
Every so often I'll see one of these anti-catholic threads and I'll be like "haha yeah that's kind of silly/gay". Then without fail some satanist jew like this guy comes along and writes a long ass reddit paragraph about how "there's no such thing as sin" and I'm like, "yeah I'm just going to go ahead and stay on the team that's against you evil freaks".

>>41050355
So close to God, so compassionate, so saintly, you are just shining Jesus’ love aren’t you?

>>41050033 (OP)
Picrel will answer why they do what they do. In short it's to summon the savior into an avatar at the end of the world.

>>41050165
cope. it's creepy and weird, and frankly, there's not much else to say about it.

>>41050405
Creepy, grotesque and weird things are the most beautiful and profound things - pussy

>>41050033 (OP)
>Porn addiction is not rea...
Yeah.

That is on What satan spirits Influence people to do.

That do not have any connection with "Communion" which CHRIST learn his DESCIPLES! Nor that IDOL WORSHIPERS which are known as christians are CHRIST STUDENTS ... THEY ARE DECEIVED..

AND NOW YOU BLASPHEMY ON GOD !

YOU ARE JUST MAD BECAUSE YOU NOW THAT TIME IS SHORT!
SO YOU ATTACK CHRIST MORE THAN EVER!

Stay Mad Devils! It will not help you!

>>41050202
The Babylonians' and Canaanites' religions are all historical curiosities - they're all but dead! You have no proof that either of them ate human flesh. You hate Babylon and Canaan because your Jewish masters still blame Babylon for conquering Judah! And, Canaan for "seducing" Hebrews away from the Upper-upper-class YHWH in favor of Asherah and the Ba'als! "Sin greatly so that your God can forgive you greatly!"? With all that infinite Right Christcuck forgiveness around, where exactly DO you keep your "Morality"?

>>41051672
Just maybe, you should express your writing clearly enough so that others can understand your incomprehensible ravings. Your Statist Jesus was created by the Nicean Church Council under the very watchful eye of a "Christain' Roman Emperor! Your religion was stolen and turned into a government Tool to suppress anything other than what personally benefited the 'Christain' Emperors that succeeded the Emperor Constantine! And it's mostly been that way ever since! Your religion, as it is, is a Scam and a Fraud! The Deceiver is you and yours!

Eternal bump

>>41051803
BURN IN HELL SODOMISER!

>>41051941
Good argument

>>41050033 (OP)
I'm Prot we don't do this nonsense

>>41052083
Two protestants can read the same page in the Bible and come to different conclusions.

>>41051941
Is that all you have, you ignorant zealous turkey? A screed without merit and a Judgment. Maybe you should read the Jesus quote about doing just that, because you've just earned yourself a Triple-Minus Ungood Ticket from your Sweet and Fluffy "Lord", and you're in hot water! Besides, you're not going to make any converts that way, you Right Christcuck ignoramus!

>>41052053
What argument?

>>41052083
So you don't do what your "Lord" told you to practice it and commanded you to do so! You too, get a Triple-Minus Ungood Ticket from your Sweet and Fluffy "Lord"!

>>41051572
Take a good look at their faces, in OP's picture. Their expressions are perverse.
Porn just made us aware of female perversion.

>>41052699
Most women have rape fantasies

>>41050033 (OP)
This is Catholicism.

All I do is read my King James Version of the bible. I just call it "The Holy Bible" or "God's word" because that's exactly what it is. It is God's preserved word. The version of the bible is important because not all versions are the same.

Let's compare John 3:16 in the KJV to the NIV for example:
(KJV)
16 ¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


(NIV)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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The bible teaches that a corrupt tree cannot bear good fruit.
Luke 6:43-45 (KJV)
43For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.


These two verses are different. The NIV would have you believe that God has no children other than the Lord Jesus Christ but the KJV correctly states that Christ is God's only BEGOTTEN son.

We are created but to be begotten means that Jesus Christ came forth from the Father. There is no trinity. God has a son. We don't worship him but faith in the sacrifice that he made is what saves. Its all about faith. Its not about works.

The Catholics would have you do all of these "sacraments" and long drawn out prayers that they repeat over and over. That's not what knowing God is. That is ritualistic and spiritually dead. God doesn't like mindless repetition. A prayer should come from the heart. God knows you on a deep personal level. He knows you better than anyone, even yourself.

>>41052926
Many translators clearly had an infernalist agenda. Eternal conscious torture in hell is clearly false. Universalism or annihilationism is true probably universalism.
https://benthams.substack.com/p/universalism-a-comprehensive-defense?utm_source=publication-search

Continued (I'm the same one that posted >>41052926 )

I understand that many people have a poor impression of those that believe in the one true God by the Lord Jesus Christ, His only begotten son. Many denominations of Christianity have strayed from God's word and they do things that simply do not align with God's word.

Psalms 138:2 (KJV)
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.


Everyone that calls themselves a Christian should be reading God's word. The most important thing is to have faith and be saved.

Romans 10:9 (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


This world has nothing but God has everything. All you need is faith. Don't be fooled by the false promises of this world. Don't believe the lies. God requires from us the same thing that he's always asked for: FAITH.


>>41053021
The people that publish the NIV are the same people that publish "The Joy of Gay Sex". A corrupt tree cannot bear good fruit.


You know, I've been having such a great time reading my bible and having fellowship that I haven't really looked into the more scholarly side of things.

>Eternal conscious torture in hell is clearly false
Revelation of John 20:10 (KJV)
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

I go by scripture and I'm not sure how else to interpret the phrase "day and night for ever and ever". Sounds like eternity to me.

1/???

>>41051731
>The Babylonians' and Canaanites' religions are all historical curiosities - they're all but dead
lol no
in fact you're probably a practitioner

>>41053076
11 Revelation
The Book of Revelation is a very weird book. It includes these prophecies that many think are of the second coming. The main infernalist passages people point to in revelation are Revelation 20:10-15

“And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. … And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

I think using this as an infernalist proof text is very problematic.

The literal translation of the words typically translated as forever and ever is aiōnas ton aiōnōn which literally means ages of the ages. But that doesn’t mean it’s eternal, as was discussed before.

The infernalist reading on which people are literally cast into fire and burning sulfur is quite barbaric. Instead, the universalist reading makes sense of why sulfur is used, for sulfur was used in gold and silver refining. Zechariah 13:9 describes fire being used for refinement, as does Isaiah 48:10, and Malachi 3:3. First Corinthians 3:15 says "If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames,” and many other verses have similar themes. In combination with the broader biblical themes and book of revelation, this is saying that believers will suffer persecution now, but those who do not believe and reject the good will be painfully refined, suffering more in total

>>41053117
>>41053076
Revelation 6:14-16 describes the “kings of the earth” hiding from the lamb and Revelation 19:19 describes the kings of the earth declaring war against the lamb, and Revelation 17:1-2 makes the same point. They are consistently the bad guys in the book of revelation, as well as in Psalms 2:2-3 and Acts 4:26. However, Revelation 21:24-26 says “By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.” Psalm 72:11 says “All the Kings of the Earth will worship him and all the nations shall serve him.” The nations also sided with the anti-Christ, yet they will enter the city. This means that the kings of the earth who rebel against Jesus and the nations will eventually enter the city

The book of Revelation is a deeply confusing and poetic book—it’s not really clear what it’s talking about. It might be talking about the Roman-Jewish war, as many theologians have argued. It’s hard to draw any firm theological conclusions from this. Its purpose was to help keep the faith of Christians facing persecution, describing in poetic terms how their faith would pay off, but it shouldn’t be taken literally, unless one thinks that sinners will literally lie in fire

The word used is basanisthēsontai which often just means suffering. But universalists think people will suffer as knowledge of their sins washes over them. They think they will be cleansed and purified through the love of the lord

>>41050033 (OP)
Crude, crass, foul, and stupid. Anti Christian shilling tends to have the opposite of its intended effect on me.

>>41053124
>>41053117
>>41053076
Eis means into, so here it’s saying into the ages to come, not that it will continue throughout all of the ages to come. If I say “going into the coming year, I have a headache,” that doesn’t mean I’ll have a headache for the whole year

This reading makes more sense of Jesus as the lamb. Richard Murray notes “Lambs have no wrath. So, the term is an oxymoron. It’s an image clash where wrath itself is deconstructed by the jarring contradiction of two complete terms. This then allows divine wrath to be conceptually recast as the restorative and curative energies of God. Hence the Lamb.” The most direct and literal reading of Revelation tells of a vengeful Jesus getting revenge—that’s not consistent with his loving nature and injunctions to turn the other cheek. We must read the book of Revelation as being in accordance with what’s told in the rest of scripture

>>41053131
Maybe that's because you have a persecution complex

>>41050376
>You have to like my evil garbage or you're not like being a nice Christian or something
Heard that often enough

>>41052926
The Greek doesn't use begotten, it translates directly to something like 'the son the only one of his kind'.

>>41053139
Or maybe I just react badly to stupid, crude, foul things. It's a mystery.

>>41053204
If you reacted as badly to hypocrisy you wouldn't be a Christian

>>41053117
>very problematic.

I'm KJV only and I believe every word in that book is from God. The KJV is absolutely perfect and I say this because I've spent over 10 years studying it deeply along with being saved for nearly 20 years.

I don't believe that its a good idea to study many different translations. God's word states that He has preserved His word. If you have faith in God then have faith that He preserved His word and you don't need a bunch of translations.

Luke 9:26 (KJV)
26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.

I don't think any of God's word is "problematic" there are simply things we understand and things we don't. This world is what is "problematic".

>>41053124
In my personal opinion, you're overthinking things. Remember that Jesus Christ is the express image of God. That means that he is just like God. Jesus often taught things in parables and would not reveal things to the masses. I firmly believe that there are things in the bible that no man can understand unless God teaches them.


https://www.bible-truth.org/KjvDefensePage.html

>>41053321
Are you kidding me? I'm literally chuckling to myself reading this
inerrancy is obviously false

There are lies in the Bible. The flood never happened and science proves this is the case
There are contradictions.
inerrancy is really just a massive joke

>>41053343
NTA but the flood is a terrible example. There are proofs of major floods from that era.
I agree inerrancy is not the thing to get attached to. The importance is more in the symbolic than the literal.

>>41053430
There's far too much barbarism condoned by God in the old testament. Jesus kills pigs.
There wasn't a mass extinction event a couple thousand years ago.
There's overwhelming evidence that the kind of flood described in the Bible never happened.
The earth is obviously millions of years old at least
Proto humans and wild animals were suffering and dying for hundreds of thousands of years before "humans made in the image of God" ever showed up.
Abrahamic religions were invented by men very recently.

>>41050033 (OP)
You guys ever see Jews fucking the air? It's really gross.

apocrypha Jesus told Mary Magdalene to eat his cum

>>41052627
Brother it's not even in the Bible, it's a tradition of men

>>41052124
And a faggy Pope can change what the whole church believes if he declares what he says ex cathedra (*cough* Vatican 2 *cough*)

>>41050033 (OP)
Christianity is a psyop doctrine that's enforces humiliation, submission and domestication as a spiritual practice.

>>41050276
Not only religious fundamentalists, every sort of ideological activists works the same way. Because they're the same thing psychologically speaking.