Thread 41092117

Is it true that the god of the old testament is actually moloch / the demiurge/ satan and exists to corrupt the message of jesus and the new testament?

Yeah that's the what they say. I think its more like the universe. Idk too much but he's there to challenge gnostics. The reason why the old testement God seemed wrathful is because Jesus hadn't died yet. And like in Job, satan or the prosecutor would argue a lot against man. Now that Jesus has died he can say that he has sacrificed his son who is worthy to redeem sin and now he is just as merciful as with David, but gets the right to argue the exchange of the Lamb of God, Jesus as a sacrafice. He is Alpha and Omega. Neither created, the natural state of existence not a void but a God. I am that I am. Time is just a construct that he pervades. He holds it in his hand. Same guy as today.

>>41092117 (OP)

The Old Testament is where you got Satan from in the first place

>>41092117 (OP)
That was one of the very first interpretations of the bible before any Catholic or Orthodox intervention. They read the old and new testament and came to the conclusion that each part seemed to be talking about two very different entities.

But... seeing how the world is today and how humans behave, I'm starting to believe that the Father truly did nothing wrong. We really do deserve what's coming. I came to this conclusion even when I was an atheist

>>41092117 (OP)
Jesus experienced the complicated paradox of divinity in a condemned world. He experienced tempation as any man. I say condemned because that is what it was until then. It's not to say that God didn't understand the impossible task of keeping to his commandments before but He is very aware of it now.

>>41092117 (OP)
>Is it true that the god of the old testament is actually moloch / the demiurge/ satan and exists to corrupt the message of jesus and the new testament?
Remember the Old Testament/Torah was largely decided by Judaism, and later, the New Testament was largely decided by a King that wrote a book on demonology. So you can probably expect there is true original unaltered texts, probably under the vatican.

Pre-creation. Am I God? A peice? A creation? Just this guy? Do I have a theme, Outlook/perspective, primordial source. Best guess we are a soul precreation. This just leads to more questions. What is the soul? I digress.

>>41092390
That was very confusing

Yaweh depicted with horns
https://www.bibleorigins.net/yahwehsbovineformsimages.html

>>41092411
Yep.

https://the5thkind.com/why-is-yahweh-god-in-the-bible-described-as-a-dragon-paul-wallis/

>In an even more surprising twist, Paul brings attention to the ways Yahweh himself is described. In 2 Samuel (2 Samuel 22:8-16), King David speaks of Yahweh in terms that parallel the fire-breathing Leviathan:.

>“Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth; burning coals blazed out of it.” – (2 Samuel 22:9)

>Here, Yahweh’s appearance and actions are not only terrifying but are explicitly connected with fire, smoke, and destruction—imagery often associated with dragons in various ancient cultures. Paul suggests that these passages challenge the common view of Yahweh as purely spiritual. Instead, they hint at the possibility that Yahweh was seen, at least in part, as a physical, dragon-like being.
>The prophet Hosea offers another account of Yahweh’s ferocity, using imagery that links Yahweh with powerful predators:

>"I will come upon them like a lion, like a leopard I will lurk by the path; like a bear robbed of her cubs, I will attack and rip them open.” – (Hosea 13:7-8)

>These passages paint Yahweh not just as a divine judge, but as a fearsome entity, closely aligned with primal, predatory creatures.

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>>41092117 (OP)

Im gonna save you having to study platonic philosophy, classical hermetic literature, learning Hebrew to perform gematria on the old testament, and digging up dead mesopotamian cults and just give you the answer.

You're the demiurge.

>>41092447
God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis
God exist beyond the heavens and earth.
Psalm 113

He is omnipresent. He exist throughout his creation. He can appear in many forms some of these form are like an elder striking fear into a prophet then making him feel at peace. Some a throne fiery chariot of spoked wheels riding through the sky. Ezekiel somewhere.

He can probably appear feirce if he wanted to. Maybe to an adversary. Man was made in his image. We are like him some how. He can probably assume any form he sees fit. We are a multitude. And we are watching.

>>41092475
>God
Yahweh is an entity localized to this world, not the cosmic creator-of-all his (((cult))) claims.

"God of this world" = Satan = Yahweh.