Thread 41116818

Can you create something with no reference? I've always found it weird how most cosmic horror entities tend to have human/animal like features as of conceptualizing something that has no relation to us is nearly impossible. So how do you actually create a lovecraftian horror piece that is so alien that no one has ever thought of before.

>>41116818 (OP)
You just say it is indescribable and give the closest analogy you can. Obviously it isn't possible to describe something that there is no actual reference for.

>>41116818 (OP)
>wants to create something with no reference
>that something is inherently a reference that already exists
Come on, man. Lovecraftian horrors already exist. You're not going to create a lovecraft horror free of its influence of lovecraftian horrors.
It's like trying to shoehorn in elves to your fantasy world but they're TOTALLY not the same elves seen in other fantasy worlds.

>>41116818 (OP)

Well, the trick here would be to pull a convincing "Lovecraft effect" of the enity simply appearing in a rationalized form to the human mind. Think like a form of mental censorship for the incomprehensible, if you want to cover it in a literary fashion it might be best to go for outright contradictory appearance behind the surface level of some "tentacled monstrosity". Motivation will be trickier from a narrative perspective, in case your story even requires you to go that deeply. I could provide a few story hooks here ... a monothematic primary motivation completely outside human motivation, a "mindless" mode of action contradictory to any logic yet appearing still deliberate, a motivation that might be relatable to humans but in execution goes completely against any mutual understanding ...

Nope
Humans can't truly create from 0
We are not much different from AI, everything we make is a mix of other things. It's all a mix of things that already exist.

>>41116989
Then how did we develop language? There's no such thing as why , how or who in nature though? Are we confined to all we know and are incapable of creating something new unless we can directly experience it.

>>41117008
Language and Music are proof of something greater imo

>>41117021
So it was seeded into us?

>>41116818 (OP)
You can but it's the human and animal features that make them unnerving. I've found this picture of Yog-Sothoth that doesn't have any and while it's not something I'd like to see floating through the night sky I'd be much more scared if I saw a mass of tentacles, eyes, and teeth instead.

>>41117082
It still has some form of relation to life though like amphibious egg sack or frog eggs.

>>41117021

Noosphere, correct. Conceptualspace. ^^

>>41117021
Language and music are natural. Some animals have regional dialects to their langauge, and an appreciation for music is widely reported with even the ability to compose music being a thing in some species. It's no Bach, but it's still impressive.

>>41117178
>regional dialects
And regional accents as well. I forgot about that one. Life is rad.

>>41117040
yes, by the drugs
https://www.bitchute.com/video/74L19UkAHwBG

>>41117178
Not high level language though where theyre able to cooperate and question their experience and develop an ego. Plus we still don't know how came into being

>>41117199
WTF is this?

>>41117226
>where theyre able to cooperate and question their experience and develop an ego.
You can't really test for that since we still can't hard define ego. We have seen fads and trends in many species. We've seen recently learned behavior spread, and even taught to those outside their groups, in many species.
We have no clue how far down it goes. The more we study them the more intelligent we find them to be. Or the less value we realize we should place on intelligence to begin with, since it's not something that is unique to us.

>>41116818 (OP)
>Can you create something with no reference?
Cool you're not going into more details or a real context.
>>Lovecraft
You know the ball we call earth spins a lot longer than this fucker, right? Mostly likely much longer than ((history)) want us to believe. But sure, why not Lovecraft. With a grain of the pedo Stephen King and some cryptic texts of Poe. Let's make us a world in which the human mankind and it's mythologies spins around a few hundred years.

>>41117569
Poe was a literal pedophile though.

>>41118044
Your dad is a pedophile

>>41116818 (OP)
Not super alien but uncommon, I feel there is something inbetween shipwrecks and fractal patterns found in water, trees, etc.