Thread 41250086

I do not believe in Buddhist metaphysics. Its claims of rebirth and karmic cycles are false.

I do believe in the practical effects of Buddhist meditation. There are measurable psychological and physiological effects. I respect this.

However, such meditation practices are based in the idea of dissolving the self and destroying one's sense of the world. I am not interested in this.

I want to meditate for power, self-mastery, and effective knowledge. To magnify my own will rather than to abnegate myself. Are there methods for this?

>>41250086 (OP)
There's some GD stuff that devolves into blood magick. Gotta put the disclaimer for the State psychiatrist, but stuff like cutting yourself when you make an error.

Can I ask whether you'd discuss Buddhism more in depth?

>>41250086 (OP)
Basically you've got Yoga which is the unity of Self and God. If the "Father" isn't Adharmic then Orthodox Christianity is also a form of Yoga. Big if!

Then Buddhism which is a detachment which is agnostic to God. The POINT of Mahayana Buddhism is complete Omniscience, but it's a hidden teaching which you won't encounter, and if you do happen to encounter it, you'd be too daunted to go forward.

Then black magick stuff which can be RHP like following Dharma, you can work on a Dharmic will this way. And LHP which makes your will stronger than God/Fate.

I've prophesied one day men will control the fates like gods and not be slaves to Providence anymore. This follows from the Stoic idea coalescing from the disappearance of "gods" and the subsequent pendulum-swing back to the embodiment of Providence. It's still a form of Yoga.

I do some Caesarian stuff to enhance my will, but it's very secret and I won't tell you how to do it.

I'm a Buddhist so I'd recommend just doing the Buddhist emptiness meditation and learn to overcome yourself.

You seem to think your opinion matters, so try emptiness/non-self meditation and see if you're as strong and good as you think you are. If you like it after a month, read the Diamond Sutra and you will have a solid foundation for meditation. But don't get daunted by this advice, I say it because I am difficult to encounter.

In order to master one's self, the self must be ignored, weakened.
To feed the self is antithetical to your stated aims.
This will seem nonsensical until further down the path.

If instead material gain alone is your intention, simply do as the common folk do.
Study, compete, train, work. Tie your internal state to the external and jump into the rat race.

>>41250096
what's GD?

>>41250096
Yeah I am happy to discuss buddhism in depth. I know a shitload on it. I've ready the Pali Canon and I am reading the Lotus Sutra

>>41250197
I am happy to suppress or even abandon my ego. I want to weaken my self. I just want higher will, higher knowledge, higher wisdom, higher power

>>41250086 (OP)
>I want to meditate for power, self-mastery, and effective knowledge. To magnify my own will rather than to abnegate myself. Are there methods for this?
Uh maybe Initiation into Hermetics.
You learn to work with the elements, which gives you powers to do things like control the energy in a room, remotely project energy, induce clairvoyance, curse plants to grow or die, etc.

The training is fairly boring, so it takes an intense willpower, discipline, and patience to succeed.

You can find some practitioners online demonstrating powers such as this if you look hard enough.

In terms of spiritual development, this stuff is fairly useless, unless you have an intensive mind purification going on as well, otherwise it will just harden your ego and make you an asshole weirdo. But with mental purification going on, then its just another tool in the tool box.

You can also find guys teaching very specific psychic powers, like remote viewing and telekinesis. These powers are fairly useless as well, but they can be very enticing if you haven't yet done some ego purification. They take a long time to get gud, so you really need a ego drive to push yourself to train it

>>41251433
Yeah finish the Lotus Sutra then read the Diamond Sutra because it teaches you the baseline consciousness you have to meditate on for Wisdom and Power. Don't be put off by the talk of Compassion, it comes naturally with middle level states of meditation. After you understand the Diamond Sutra (you seem well off), practice no-self meditation like you're leveling a RuneScape character.

>>41251433
Oh yeah, if you like the Lotus Sutra maybe try Evola's book on Aryan Buddhism, it talks about gaining power thru Ascetic ideals. It goes a long way toward countering Nietzsche in On the Genealogy of Morality.

GD is Golden Dawn, Crowley's group

>>41250086 (OP)
You need at least 2-4 weeks of basic meditation practice if you want the spiritual experiences it can offer. You can have hallucinogenic level trips without drugs but it requires practice. Why should anyone share this information with you? Are you even ready? I ask, because some trips can make one go mad. Addictions and personality flaws can get amplified. Your thirst for power will be a hindrance. It's best to let it go. Learn to let go first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkXlKQS5Elo

>>41250086 (OP)
>dissolving the self and destroying one's sense of the world

It's more like realizing that the self is just and idea - a role which you have adopted and believe it was "you".
Dunno what you mean by "sense of the world"

>>41250086 (OP)
Just practice Hsing-I.

>>41252445
Particularly the Hsing-I standing posture known as San Ti. It's all about forming the intention you describe.

>>41252318
Damn do you have more freshman year insights to hit me with?

My self is just my consciousness. Buddha's non-self doctrine was a polemic directed against the prevailing ultra-essentialist ideology of his time. ("the self is a transcendent eternal immutable substance that is always there")

basically he said there was no self as understood by ancient indians. Not there was no self at all

>>41250086 (OP)
>I do not believe in Buddhist metaphysics.
>I want to meditate for power, self-mastery, and effective knowledge. To magnify my own will
You might just be the dumbest person on this board today. Literally everything you said is an oxymoron. Try reading some books before posting here again, dipshit nigger brain.

>>41251760
>You need at least 2-4 weeks of basic meditation practice if you want the spiritual experiences it can offer.
it takes 2 months to solidly establish a habit
2 weeks? go ask /pol/ about how much can happen in 2 weeks

>>41250086 (OP)
>I do not believe in Buddhist metaphysics. Its claims of rebirth and karmic cycles are false.
they are true, but it doesnt really matter right now
>I do believe in the practical effects of Buddhist meditation. There are measurable psychological and physiological effects. I respect this.
true
>However, such meditation practices are based in the idea of dissolving the self and destroying one's sense of the world. I am not interested in this.
this is a misconception, plus there's not much need to worry about full enlightenment level happenings when you're just beginning
>I want to meditate for power, self-mastery, and effective knowledge. To magnify my own will rather than to abnegate myself. Are there methods for this?
first you have to realize that yang cultivation helps shape the form of that which you cultivate,
but, yang cultivations dont build much yin
however,
when yin is cultivated, yang very easily rises to match its level
stillness is yin
it is a literal fact that making your breaths reach like 45, 50 seconds average duration in meditation will result in a spark of the metabolism similar to that of having finished a month's worth of a new workout/lifting regimen

>>41252757
xingyi is a martial art and san ti shr is a standing practice
any standing practice will help build power if done properly

>>41254453
> is a literal fact that making your breaths reach like 45, 50 seconds average duration in meditation will result in a spark of the metabolism similar to that of having finished a month's worth of a new workout/lifting regimen
Source?

>>41254219
>My self is just my consciousness
its more like your self is this persona of your present lifetime
your consciousness, your awareness, is the hand that fits inside of that glove
this is mainly what the realization is, that these personas are not a core part of you/your conscious awareness

>>41254470
my own experience, a dozen times over
when you fuck up and have to rebuild your gung, you get to watch the same signposts go by again
it happens at shorter durations in subsequent immersions, the first time takes longer to make it happen
this is a form of yin-yang going back and forth and manifesting each other
the yang intention & action of cultivation will give rise to stillness
and from yin comes some spark of yang
these all take different forms as one winds their way along the road of cultivation

>>41254481
Jesus asshole I just wanted a source for your claim about breathing in 45-50 seconds. It wasn’t even proper English so I don’t know what you’re recommending.

>>41254485
>Jesus asshole
lol damn bro, you asked, I told
its just simply that there are some things I've achieved that I've never been taught by anyone or read in any book
whether its the case that such things are locked away in sects and not spoken in public, or just that nobody who writes has achieved such things,
/shrug
it is what it is
achieve very long durations of breath, cultivate the awareness to a high degree, and yin & yang will transform back into each other over and over, with different signposts denoting different depths
I just also have the...quasi-benefit of having had to do it many times over, giving me the chance to see the same signposts again and again,
its made me emphatically sure of the methods I employed

>>41254594
>lol damn bro, you asked, I told
No, go back and read your reply. You were going off on a tanget about yin and yang. Not describing what you just claimed whatsoever. I just asked about the breath duration factor because you're not explaining anything.

>achieve very long durations of breath
Do you mean you're exhaling for 45 seconds? Not breathing for 45 seconds? It boggles my mind that you think I can read your mind and know already what you're talking about. If you had more empathy for others and the ability to read your own words outside of your own mind you'd understand why I'm still confused, which is why I called you an asshole.

>>41254649
bruh
you asked for a source for my claim, you didnt ask for the method of how to do it
I provided the source for my claim and some general high level insight
if you wanted specifics, you could have simply asked from the getgo instead of being a dick about not getting precisely what you expected
when I say 45 second breath duration, that covers one entire breath cycle of an inhale and an exhale
breath holds have their uses but not for stillness meditation, cultivating yin

>>41254667
>you asked for a source for my claim, you didnt ask for the method of how to do it
Really? Now you've earned the asshole label. Why would someone ask for a source for a wild claim like that and not expect some level of detail as well? Again, it seems like you lack empathy and self-awareness of what you're saying.
>when I say 45 second breath duration, that covers one entire breath cycle of an inhale and an exhale
Thanks. You could do better with explaining things but at least we know what you mean now.

>>41254685
>bitches about what are we expected to read your mind on this
>expects to have his mind read and have particular things in his mind answered without having asked
oh, you were given some level of detail
it just wasnt the detail you expected
then you sperged out and called me an asshole
chuckle worthy

worship Shiva one can get powerful Will

Olfactory anon if you are here I got 1 question:
Can I do breathwork/anapanasati right after I eat a whole meal? Should I wait for some time?

>>41256817
wait some time bro
ideally you want to have the guts able move as freely as possible
this is more or less the idea behind eating one meal a day, so that the evening sit can have the guts an unencumbered as possible
same reason wrt sexual activity, you want the pelvic floor to be as smooth as possible

>>41257047
Thank you!

>>41257055
namaste fren

>>41254219
You actually have really good, I'd even call it prophetic, insight. That is because while anatta (no-self) is preached in early sutras like the Diamond Sutra, the Nirvana Sutra, Buddha's final oral teaching, explains, thru an analogy with a doctor, that anatta is not a universal medicine for every situation. One title of the Buddha is, "Medicine King."

The illustration of the medicine is that there is an incompetent doctor (the Hindu-philosopher) who prescribes milk "medicine" for every ailment. Then the King gets a better doctor who has upaya (skillful means).

The new doctor says to behead everyone who takes the milk medicine.

Then when the King gets sick the new doctor comes and prescribes milk as medicine. The doctor says, wtf, are you insane?

It is finally concluded that the milk medicine prescribed by the incompetent bungling doctor was prescribed not from True Knowledge of the First Noble Truth (of suffering), but rather as if a worm whirred thru a log, and a letter was randomly formed.

The worm (Hindu-philosopher), is able to write "Self," but he doesn't know why.

The Buddha having Omniscience knows that Self is Buddha, as well as Eternal and Bliss, and Buddha is Dharma. This is the teaching of the Tathatagarba (Buddha-Nature).

So what prompted this is you have deep natural insight into the Truth, since you said
>The Buddha taught that the Hindu notion of the Self is false, not that there is no Self

Do yoga & eventually you start picking up on subtle energy stuff. Really illuminates how things going on in the physical body (that you can adjust directly) form the basis for most of your thoughts, emotions, social expression, worldview etc. And that's just if you do it 3-5 times a week like a regular exercise thing. I'm sure there's far deeper levels to go with it than what I've accessed.

In general I'd say a pre-req for any kind of lhp stuff is you need to be able to harvest what's useful from a tradition while being able to totally disregard aspects of the dogma that don't do it for you, and come up with your own creative reframe

>>41255093
So do you just pray to him?

>>41251640
I am pro-Nietzsche though. i want nietzschean meditation. Balancing and magnifying passion and drama and art and will and power

>>41257119
Not sure if you're being sarcastic but the insight came from
1. examining the contradictions in buddhist teaching
2. examining the historical context of the buddha's teachings, knowing that he taught different things for different people/situations

I'm no expert in anything but for the past 13 years I've been practicing meditation and I can tell you this: It takes tons of time sitting if you want to achieve anything through meditation, imagine that you are a totally untrained person who wants to deadlift 600 pounds, guess what, it will take you hours through years of training in order to get there, and even doing 10 push ups (which don't even train the same muscles as the deadlift lol) will help a bit, so don't waste any time and start sitting.

Please, go and sit for 10-15 minutes right now, total dark, no sounds (wear ear protection if you have), don't use back support and close your eyes.
Can you stop your thinking? Can you at least watch the thinking mind without getting caught up/hypnotized by it?
Can you focus only on your body and your breath? How is your breath? Is it deep, slow and prolonged?
Please do these and answer if you can, but even if you don't it's ok, what I want to say is that you gotta sit a lot.

>>41257843
It appears to me as though you are doing too much reading and almost no experiencing. This is not only likely pointless, but possibly detrimental to your studies.
Reading about higher level concepts without the appropriate level of experience is how people fall into the trap of deluding themselves they have experienced those advanced states when in actuality their ego simply put on a puppet show for them based on what they had read in their studies.

>>41259568
I don't think you understand buddhism

>>41259568
far too many cases of this going on
>>41260245
buddhism without cultivation is neutered

>>41260675
Well your begging the question because you think reading a Sutra isn't "cultivation." In other words you're just defining cultivation in terms of meditative practice because you have a big ego