Thread 41272786

whats even the point of a 'Hell'?
is there meant to be some reconciliation aspect? like when some guy gets 100+ years in prison for some horrible crime there obviously isn't any notion he's coming out at any point a reformed man or some stupid shit
but in most cases where the guy gets like 20 or something years the idea is that he'll have changed and no longer a threat to society or wtv until his death

what does perpetual suffering even achieve?

in contemporary christianity it needs to be black and white so you are forced to accept jesus
in judaism you serve different sentences in there to purify your sins, only some are stuck there forever
in orthodox christianity everyone goes to the same place after death - being exposed to god. its your experience of it that is either suffering or paradise based on your own self judgement: Unbearable shame or bliss.

>>41272786 (OP)
>what does perpetual suffering even achieve?

We do not form hell. We form heaven, and hell is created as a potential inverse.

Job 1:6

One day the formulations of good came to present themselves before the selector, and their inverse meanings also came with them. The selector said to the inverse meanings, “where did this shit come from?"

Follow the way, the truth, and the life.

Everything that is not selected, will be vaporized.

They are like a dream when one awakes;
when you arise, Selector,
you will despise them

as fantasies

Hell is the knowledge of a place we did not choose.

>>41272786 (OP)
I like that if I'm exposed to Jesus, but I still choose not to worship him, I'm damned to suffer for eternity. Christians are sadistic.

>>41272786 (OP)
Where in the Bible does it say that anyone who doesnt make it to heaven is perpetually tormented in hell?

I’m Christian and see no reason to believe that is what hell is like for every individual. I think the perpetual torment is for very specific cases and i think most sinners without Jesus will just cease to exist, they will be denied eternal life in heaven.

>>41272925
Im a Christian and actually read the bible and dont let the world tell me what to think about things.

I have not read anywhere in the bible that says every single person who doesnt make it to heaven is eternally tormented.

God is a just judge. What kind of just judgement gives everyone the same punishment? That’s not just and so it’s also likely not going to be how the afterlife works.

I think most nonbelievers who arent horribly evil people will get the afterlife they are expecting: they will simply stop existing at death. Their soul and body will be dead.

Some next level evil people like satan, the angels who fell with him, demons, murderers rapists sociopaths with no remorse…okay maybe those people get a similar eternal punishment.

But for some lady who is an atheist but lives a more or less decent enough life I believe God will just destroy their soul and they will no longer exist.

What is so evil about giving people exactly what they expect?


TLDR; if you actually read the bible the punishments at the end of the world for nonbelievers doesnt sound black and white heaven or eternal punishment. There are even mentions of things like ‘outer darkness’ as a punishment which is obviously different than traditional ‘hell’ teachings.

>>41272786 (OP)
Hell is a place without
Heaven is a place with

There is no water in hell
There are the living waters in heaven -
from which all life springs forth.

Hell is a place to prove that you aren't a god.
You have to produce from the void like God did to feed yourself
And build for yourself
And it is a spiritual death in the form of stagnation
The Lord who is God of wisdom
Pulls for us concert from the sum of life and death
To lead our souls and mature us to
understand His grand message.
If you keep digging your heels into the ground or if the Lord ignores you then eventually you will be stagnated in the spirit
And led completely away from the
product of time that made you who you are.

But the Lord said he would forgive everyone.
He is the God of mercy.
Not the president
Not even the king
Albeit the God of mercy.
Lord of all the living.

The real Hells are a place to pay for any sin you committed you didn't already pay for in one of your life times or the Land of the Dead. It is beyond life and death and so one can take on the perspective of those they've hurt perfectly; each small insult and big crime is paid for. For most that's it, they are few who use occult powers to earn for themselves more punishment then that, for you have to really pursue it and mean it, we grade on a curve since people are idiots. If you have no idea what you're doing when you try some evil occult power and it does nothing we don't really count that, but if your soul were aligned with Satan and the evil was real and the danger then you have to pay for that, and that's where you get into eternity and longer in the Hells. Some few dable in helping Satan without cosigning themselves to eternities in the Hells but among the list there for an eternity or longer you'll find a bunch that sided with Satan for at least one forever against the Almighty.

It’s the only way to burn off their demonic energy. It’s not eternal.

>>41272786 (OP)
The point of it is to destroy the non believers that couldn't accept the Christ and give up their sin. They don't spend "eternity" in there, though to them they will experience eternity. The fires will leave nothing but ash, even the corrupted soul will be destroyed.

Hell in chinese mythology is a bureaucratic shitshow of diplomats and officials trying to register the "deceased". You're only source of nutrition in the afterlife is libations. I had a nightmare of the canopic jars in hell before, apparently souls linger near their burial urns and speak amongst themselves in silence

The entire point is to escape hell via using a shi or personator to carry out your trivial persons duties while you slip away as a shapeshifting entity that can conjure it's own food through celestial gleaning or materialization. When you are a disembodied being you make your own body and eat your own imaginary food.

That's why it's an identity matrix, people want their loved ones to be apparent after the die so you hirer a daemon to be your stand in or servitor. It's like having a guardian angel who knows the workings of hell. The worse part of hell is the endless dying and reemergence into an infernal plane filled with demons that thirst for blood. It's like being born endlessly at a slaughterhouse.

Best case scenario is that you become a denizen of the underworld and get sorted into your boat (family) but since people aren't happy with their lives on earth they want to be someone else. That's why having a shi is important, cause it acts like a boundary daemon that punishes evil doers for the exchange of plutonic wealth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_(personator)

People encounter shis all the time in dreams, and sometimes they take on the roles of relatives, sometimes they can be harmful, but not always.

>>41272786 (OP)
Its reconciliation for everyone else that bad things happen to bad people and we live in a just world.
"Deserve" is a myth. Things just happen, with some probability. We say that someone who forgets to take a precaution one time doesn't deserve to lose both his legs and become a homeless drug addict...but that's just what happens, with some probability. So you're supposed to think of hell, or "the worst thing that could ever happen to you", when going about life, or else.

You don't even need fire and all that just lock someone in a dark room and the human condition will sort out the rest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacodemon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEucLZLMkac
You have to fight the cacodemons to escape hell, so it would be like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws8JocOpkvY

it's to control stupid golems and to keep humanity in FOGS regarding the demiurge system

>>41272925
>Christians are sadistic.

>>41272786 (OP)
PAIN, pain fear and ignorance are tools of the asshole false god that "loves you" and does this.
>>41273169
people will come to this cause its logically explains false religion. Which there is plenty of, 100s of religions and the ecumenical movement wanted to say they all bring people to Christ/God.
>you can enter heaven, so can you, and you. OMFG a war just broke out in heaven
We all know it is not going to be paradise with those people in it. They will turn it into Hell very fast.
>>41273172
sums up the church in a nutshell. They will never accept you and there is always need for constant correction. Their god will never get it right with you. You do not worship their fake Jesus and fake god.

>>41272786 (OP)
the purpose is to scare people on this Earth into following Earthly sociopaths.

>>41272786 (OP)
I don't believe in hell, but if it exists we're probably there now. We are all technically burning at the moment, just very slowly. It is a merciful hell, if so. Rather, it could be so much worse (or better, or both). Now as for why we're in hell I will defer to higher powers regarding that matter.

>>41272786 (OP)
What does it matter? If Christ came back from the dead, it's reasonable to assume the rest of the bible is true as well. You narrow it down to just that and make your choice. Humans will persist even after their death either way so you need a place to put them. You can't have them hanging around and fucking up the new kingdom on earth and they obviously can't go to heaven, so it's just dead nigger storage.

Because without fear of hell people would do bad things. It's an extra level of safety where Law would fail

>>41273983
there's no way that this can be a real answer that you actually believe in.

The point is a blunt weapon to beat your enemies and subordinates with.
Hell is an invention of weak men who want to wield power over their better.

>>41273999
More or less. I have no idea what heaven and hell are like. But I know with 100% certainty that Jesus is real and that He was crucified and he was resurrected. I don't really need to see anything else. Why would anyone? I know that is the truth and the world is specifically designed to do everything possible to distract and pull you away from that truth. I don't know what happens to people that don't arrive to the truth. All I see are a lot of people engaging in transient bullshit that doesn't matter, and I have no doubt that in many cases their conscience is seared and they're a lost cause, morally. I don't know what happens to those people, that's not my problem. I don't even know what's going to happen to me, that doesn't figure into it. I don't follow Jesus because I expect to spend the afterlife some certain way, I do it cause it's the right thing to do.

>>41272976
>I believe God will just destroy their soul and they will no longer exist
I think God loves us more than this. Imagine an incredibly loving, empathetic person, who was simply born into an atheist family. You think God doesn't value love for other souls above faith in His existence?

>>41272786 (OP)
>perpetual
First things first.
There are different sizes of Infinity.
A soul doesn't go to hell for no reason, it actively have done so much shit in his/ger lifetime that the most loving solution is put it in a eternal punishment [the lesser [countable] infinity]
Yes some souls can exist throughout SOME infinities.

>>41274081
I was born into an atheist family and found Christ all the same so your argument doesnt work. The Shepard leaves the 99 to find the 1 missing sheep.

>>41272786 (OP)
The point of Hell is to induce a terrible fear in you so that I can completely control you, and your life you lead. You're going there very soon! And I have the Only Solution your wretched life and the Existential Dread that I projected onto you by preaching to you to get you to believe it, and accept my orthodox solution! There is an infallible book, assembled by a biased committee, that you must read! A Holey Book that was written by the Omni-God Himself, or at least inspired by the God who will send you there, but He is not to blame for being an absolute schizophrenic asshole - you are! Therefore, you must repent! You must kneel, you must genuflect, scrape, and beg and whimper, you must accept the ritual drowning, you must symbolically or literally eat His Flesh and drink His Blood and plead it to your enemies like I'm doing to you now, so that you can hide your true Evil nature from your newfound God that you found! God says It's All Your Fault! "For Power makes Pure as the Wind-driven Snow!" Or you can say NO and have a good life free from Right Christcuck FUD!!

>>41272786 (OP)
Love these threads, filled with ignorant idiots talking about stuff they do not understand.

The reality is that we are already in hell.

They removed 20+ gnostic books from the Bible that explained quite well, that we are already eternal sparks/souls trapped in a material body where you are constantly ruled by our desires.

They removed those books because people who achieve gnossis (knowing) by reading that stuff, are no longer controlled by fear and stopped worked for Caesar.
It is all a known fact.

We are get trapped in hell to learn lessons and to learn to control our desires.

Everything else is bullshit to make you a servant, a slave for the system.

Hell as an idea exists to scare you into not raping and murdering. It's that simple

>>41274683
that's not what your jew book says lmao

your dogma dictates all humans should go to hell BY DEFAULT since you have original sin

they can only escape hell by accepting the jesus chicken sacrifice

>>41276224
It's a demagogical play on words. I'll ignore the blueprint of Jesus' story, which is identical to Mithras, Hiram abiff, Osiris, and many other "god's" cultures have worshipped throughout the ages.
The real gnostic blackpill is that we are already trapped in hell, we are eternal souls trapped in a human body temporarily.

But that story is blocked from history because it ruins the slave system of the masters, where you have to work hard and be good and other stupid shit like that so you would be useful to them so they wouldn't have to work themselves.

>>41272786 (OP)
Hell, and Heaven; are merely fields of information that are either positively or negatively charged.

How you end up in either quanta depends entirely on the charge of your own stratum. It has nothing to do with personal belief, right/wrong, morals/immorals, but everything to do with charge.

If your stratum is the same charge as the quanta space that is negative information, you go into the negative information stratum. If it is positive, you go into the positive one. They are just fields of information, nothing more nothing less.

>What the fuck why?
Why does a proton and electron exist? Why do atoms work as they do? Why do stars have spin and charge? Why are there fundamental forces of physics that operate in regards to polar opposite forces? Why is Yin attached to Yan?

Yes indeed. Why.

Regardless, to answer your question, "Hell" exists because it just does, what gets you there is not acts, but charge; if you negatively charge your own information, that's where you end up.

It's like being upset that there's shit in a toilet when you shit in the toilet. Duh. That's where it goes. You don't shit in the sink, that's where you wash your hands dummy.

>Why the fuck is there a toilet and sink in the same room?
That's what a bathroom is, literally. A sink and a toilet. A place to shit, and then wash your hands after shitting, if it had neither, it wouldn't be a bathroom.

>>41272786 (OP)
You put yourself in hell, god doesn't put you there.

>>41276743
>What effects my personal information charge polarity?

Your own subjectivity, if you live a positive life, you have a positive information stratum. If you have caused more positive things than negative things, that leads to more positive personal charge. If the Universe can scry through Itself and look at your entry and say "Yes, positive things were done with this one and positive after effects were had" you have a positive charge, this puts you in the positive quanta; where all positivities lay.

Likewise, the inverse is also true, if you keep a negative stratum, take more than you give, or purposefully stop more things than allow them to be, your charge is negative, and gets put into the negative quanta, where all negativities are.

It's nothing to do with belief, or morals; it's all about what you've done with your subjectivity. Did you do something with it? And if so, if you have, was it positive or negative? Did it create more things or prune more things? Of the things it created, where they positive or negative things? If they were pruned, was it to feed your own subjectivity, or protect the subjectivities of others?

There's a ton of different factors in that, that ultimately determine your stratum's charge, but its mostly, in the most basic sense "This is how the Universe and Reality marks the brief instance of You within its pages."

If I 3000 years from now, turn to your particular page, what would I read? "This was a man who lived a relatively plain life, full of mistakes and hope, but did his best for his days, despite not accomplishing his goals, but continuing to strive for more." I'd smile and say "Yes, this is okay. He chased windmills, but kept positive in that." if I opened your chapter and read similar, but you were depressed, and took your personal failings out on others, them I'd sigh and say "Shame, oh well. Maybe next time"

Tl;dr it's fundamental information physics and subjective personage that makes up Heaven or Hell.

>>41276747
christ cult gaslight

1. hell is a created place

2. jewgod arbitrarily decides who goes there

>>41276206
This is the truth and it's self evident by looking at the nature of this world.

We come into this life screaming and covered in blood and the vast majority of living beings will spend that life struggling every day just to prolong it only to die a horrible death. Everything that lives relies on the death of other living things to survive. The whole system runs on death, decay and suffering.

Yaldabaoth doesn't need to create some separate realm to throw people into to suffer for all eternity when he could just subject us to infinite lifetimes in this sick world.

>>41272786 (OP)
I'm sure some other anon has said this, but the purpose is control and incentive for those who may otherwise give into their darker side to not do so.

Not everyone has either the intellectual capacity nor the reasoning skills to understand why you shouldn't commit certain acts. A threat of eternal suffering is enough to deter some of those types.

>>41272925
>reject god
>ok bro
>the only other thing possible is abyss
>???
>you chose this
My guy if you won't take the only island in an endless ocean, that's not some punitive game, that's just the fact of the matter

>>41272786 (OP)
>whats even the point of a 'Hell'?

Hell is just heaven for people with bad desires.
It's a free sand box where those with evil desires and intent can fulfill themselves to their hearts content, without hurting those without evil desire who will be safe and isolated.
The reason it's such a bad place, isn't because it'd designed that way from the start as some form of punishment, but because it's made that way by all the bad people doing bad things to each other.

>>41272786 (OP)
Welcome to Hell, how may I help you?
We do what we want because we can.

When I was going through some angels vs demons over-thinking, I consulted with a Catholic priest, who told me that Hell isn’t a place but rather a state of mind.
He also suggested that one shouldn’t pray to God out of fear, but out of love and gratitude.
His advice helped me get out of that mental hell.

>>4127674
Behold the Right Christcuck ignoramus … doing the exact same thing I predicted he would do! Shame his victim into following his Death and Resurrection Cult and its monstrous Deity! QED!

>>41272786 (OP)
Originally to house satan in exile (and his minions) because he is an immortal being who cannot normally be annihilated.
Later on, mortals can find themselves there if in their life they aligned with satan. Thus go join him in his domain
>>41272925
You are already damned by living in the corrupt world and being descendant of adam. Jesus offers a fix but it isn't a love me or I'll fuck you situation, it's more love me because I did you the favor of unfucking you.
Every day you guys jack this up, too many sermons not enough reading

God is like a tree that grows endless fruits of all varieties. Some of these fruits are bad and should be discarded. That's all it really is.

The point of Christ is that God wants to save us flawed fruits, so long as we have hearts worth saving.

>>41272786 (OP)
If you hate God you hate yourself. Hell is hellish because it is absent of God (yourself) but you - the self hating conscious remnant - are still around and hate yourself and existence so Hell is bad because it is a reflection of your own rebellion against yourself and God. It’s also not much because what’s left of you in Hell is just a sliver of what you once where before death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyBsmNOMtLE

Watch this, (it's short)

it's for people who do this

>>41273172
>scripture is the only reliable standard for morality
>see? The scripture proves it
The exact opposite of logic and i wish people would stop pretending that the bible can be and should be expected to be used to prove anything.

>>41272930
Im starting to think perpetual torment in hell isn't a thing. It never says we get tormented forever, it says the flames there burn forever, but not man. It also says we're destroyed in hell, meaning eventually gone, no eternal.

Another point to note is: being in Heaven with Christ is eternal life. So why would we also have this eternal life in hell? The point of death is that we don't exist. Meaning you burn off your sins and then get annihilated. That makes the most sense to me at least.

>>41272786 (OP)
>whats even the point of a 'Hell'?
The church gets to control people using the fear of Hell. The point of Hell is that it is a tool for control, mind control. If you can convince someone that Hell is real and if thet act or do x action then they will go to Hell the chances are that that person won't do that action for fear of going to Hell.

>is there meant to be some reconciliation aspect?
Hell is for the devil and his angels. Are you the devil? Are you one of his angels? Then rest it easy. Don't worry. Be honest, tell the truth, don't steal, don't murder people for no reason and etc and you will go up. Don't worry about it.

I only know Hell, Op.
Been on Earth for a while, I think you're insane. If you're given a hand accept it.
We like Hell, you don't.

>>41272786 (OP)
Sin must be atoned for. You can either accept Jesus’ Sacrifice on your behalf, or you can atone for your own sins.