Thread 41278927

For among foreigners, it has been the custom, from the beginning, to require human sacrifice to Cronus - Sophocles

It is said also that the ancients sacrificed human victims to Saturn, as was done at Carthage while that city stood and as is still done to this day among the Gauls and certain other western nations - Dionysius of Halicarnassus

But indeed it was once permissible for the Scythians to appease Diana, the Gauls Mercury, and the Africans Saturn, with human victims - Tertullian

In the major disasters of war, plague, or drought, the Phoenicians used to choose one of their best-loved children to be sacrificed to Kronos. The Phoenician History which Sanchuniathon wrote in the Phoenician language, and which Philo of Byblos translated into Greek in eight books, is full of such sacrifices - Porphyry

How many peoples, such as the Taurians on the shores of the Euxine, the Egyptian king Busiris the Gauls, and the Carthaginians, have believed human sacrifice both pious and most pleasing to the immortal Gods? - Cicero

With full knowledge and understanding they themselves offered up their own children, and those who had no children would buy little ones from poor people and cut their throats as if they were so many lambs or young birds; meanwhile the mother stood by without a tear or moan but should she utter a single moan or let fall a single tear, she had to forfeit the money, and her child was sacrificed nevertheless; and the whole area before the statue was filled with a loud noise of flutes and drums so that the cries of wailing should not reach the ears of the people - Plutarch

The Saturn eating his kids meme comes from the fact that time eventually kills everyone.

Most of the ceremonial offerings to Saturn would've been a portion of your crops or animal meat, because Saturn was associated primarily with agriculture/crop yields (that's why he is often depicted with a scythe), and wealth (from bountiful crops). roman imperial finance, or spoils from war, and taxes were also conducted typically in Saturn temples. That's why you see a lot of finance corporations with Saturn imagery to this day.

Romans/greeks didn't sacrifice their children to/for Saturn. That rumor comes from the fact that romans associated Ba'al with Saturn because of the ways in which he was venerated in Carthaginian cultures, and I honestly think the child sacrifice thing was just Rome trying to put its near peers under a bad light like "they all sacrifice babies, they're evil, we need to kill them all" But it probably wasn't true. Also, Ba'al is a lunar deity.

During the same time period Ancient jews would frequently spread propaganda that early roman christians all worshipped Satan or that the angel of death was the guardian angel/spirit of Rome, again because they didn't like Rome.

Back then if you hated another country or wanted to run a psychological campaign of some sort to rally your populace for a war or conquest then you should just say "they worship the devil". This still happens to this day, because it's an effective tactic, though much less so, because most people can read now. Back then not so much.

So for ridiculous and superstitious reasons?

>>41278927 (OP)

1 orbit of Saturn is 29 years, its a very long time, that's a whole person's life. One life for another turn of the wheel? To a bronze age person, that's a no brainer.

Imagine you lived 5 thousand years ago, when you were a kid Saturn was in one place in the sky, and now, nearly 3 decades later, its in the same location. Now you have kids.

>>41279100

Modern public schools really suck, huh?

>>41279100
>Romans/greeks didn't sacrifice their children

While excavating Mount Lykaion in 2016, University of Arizona archaeologist David Gilman Romano and his team discovered the young boy’s remains. Gilman Romano asserts: “The one thing that is clearest is that we are not digging a cemetery. This is a sacrificial altar to Zeus, where thousands of sacrifices were made in antiquity. And in the middle of it, right in the middle, we found a human skeleton.” Because the resting place of the boy was an altar where sacrifices were made, his remains beg the question, did ancient Greeks practice human sacrifice? Certainly, the notion of human sacrifice was rife throughout ancient Greece indicated by the myriad myths associated with it. From the noteworthy sacrifices of Iphigenia and Polyxena along with others in the epic tradition to the fourteen Athenian boys and girls sacrificed to Minos each year to the countless classical plays of Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides who frequently deal with the topic. Time and time again, human sacrifice is a common dramatic theme in ancient Greece. But aside from legend, even amongst ancient chroniclers—from Plato to Pliny the Elder to Pausanias—reports abound that the rural enclave of Arcadia was notable in its penchant for human sacrifice. Could these remains be evidence that the Arcadians practiced human sacrifice much as the ancient chroniclers had long reported? Further, the young boy’s body was found without a head leading some to surmise that he may have been at least partially cannibalized. If so, were the Arcadians cannibals, as their folklore suggests

https://femminaclassica.com/the-highest-altar-human-sacrifice-in-ancient-greece/

>>41279208
They didn't, really.
Cant say the same about the children of the conquered, though.
The idea of killing your own firstborn comes from semitic cultures, where Saturn was worshipped as Baal.
In any case, I dont understand the modern bias against human sacrifice. Every day thousands are sacrificed to fentanyl, and still not one religious karen get scandalized by it. Really made one thinks.

>>41279208
A single skeleton does not a tradition make.

>>41278927 (OP)
>Why did Disney animators sacrifice their children to Donald Duck?
This is how dumb you sound.
>>41280394
Beat me to it. It's like when people thought there was human sacrifice going on at Stonehenge, but later we found out that, oh, no, people were just being buried there. Except in this case it's just a single kid. For all we know, it was a special case and he was already dying, and they took him there in the hopes that Zeus would cure him.

No.41279213
i am zeus i have never allowed human saciface to do so would be to sacilage the oly and blaspheme its spirit.

are you sure it isn't chonos.
you must be confused.

because if you killed some one in my temple i would curse you to be forever hated by all maen and even you bloodlines.

who ever wrote the orginal text from your souce is very deceptive.

>>41280850
Go find a baby, shill, there are none here.

Cosmic cataclysm because of the rearrangement of the planets.
Jupiter's inward motion threw other planet's orbit into disarray.
The gravity likely made some of Saturn's satellites get pushed inwards or destroyed.

>>41281430
>but how is this /x/ related!? get out of here you normie!
It's all connected - through Mithras
The actual main character of this universe, the one you replaced with Atena, etc.

she cracked the code and got suicided for it

>>41279226
>inflict pain/pleasure upon oneself is the same as killing my kid in the womb so i don't inconvenience myself

I know what you believe, you are not a good man.

>>41281437
Better not spread it around among. How many of us do you want t meet the same fate.
Use your brain idiot.

Another problem is that these myths get regurgitated with no additional processing or new insight being provided. People will talk endlessly about the golden age of Saturn but will never even make a cohesive thread with anything to explain anything.

Maybe they even go around saying, that we have to sacrifice children and animals in order to get to the golden age once more, and they don't know this is just an aftermath of a cosmic event not an actual process you need to recreate over and over again.

Jupiter crashing into Phanes/Castor over and over and over again.

>>41281430
I forgot to mention that if there were a secondary star, it likely got crashed into or content stolen. Its not just about Saturn, but also Uranus.
And when you think about Neptune and its etymology its about clouds and moisture of the sky not the deep sea.

So again, its about this whole mess that happened.
But, my biggest issue is how far back the whole thing happened. Were humans alive by this time? Was it another species, was it the same star, was it in another system, and we have been getting fed really ancient data to try to figure out?

Obviously these myths are not just pure entertainment to push your own personal agenda, unlike how people nowadays exclusively do which is why I have been hyper-critical of this board and its participants since I first visited.

>>41281609
>pure entertainment to push your own personal agenda
Newsflash, the (((teams))) patrolling this board are well aware anons are trying to decode age-old mysteries. 90% of the sensationalized date-predicting succubus-obsessed schizo posting is a shill or botscript working to limit the hangout or strawman the actual theories.

>>Was it another species, was it the same star, was it in another system, and we have been getting fed really ancient data to try to figure out?
Dark Crystal, the three became one. Jupiter is a cooled down and condensed brown dwarf, that's why unlike any other gas giant it still has the magnetosphere of a small star, but does not emit enough light (anymore) to show it. Sol is properly termed Jupiter B and is still burning bright because it's much younger (the literal Son/Sun of god, the second sun formed by Jupiter's ejected core.) It is taught that Saturn entered the arena with its own coterie (which is said to have included Venus and Earth.) The fight between Jupiter and Saturn was the fight between Marduk and Tiamat. Both lost the battle but Jupiter won the war, Sol became the single light of day and either itself fixed, or is used to represent the fixing of, the current heavens. They say this is why Earth has a 'negative' suffering-based economy due to its Saturnine origin, as well as explaining the elites' control etc. It would also explain the great divide between the loosh-harvesting deities/religions of the simulation, like Yahweh, versus the actual process of spiritual awakening and cosmic truth. Wherever our origin, it can be assumed the souls symbiotically piloting human meatsuits didn't originate in the Saturn system or on Earth, in fact it's so traumatic to us that it makes us forget all else. But sadly as this is 4chan you cannot trust a thing I just wrote, in fact I pulled it out of my ass and I'm high on meth and banging 6 tulpas rn fr fr. Isn't this fun?

>>41278927 (OP)
You just posted a quote saying it was to multiple gods and not Saturn specific.

Anyway the reality is that ancient people tended to interpret the religious practice of other cultures pretty loosely at time. The main features of cronus in greek religion is his status as overthrown father and his sort of generalised bloodthirst. If the greeks saw one of those traits in a deity that say "yep we've got one of those too".
Syncretism happened, but you can't assume that identification and parallelism mean that everyone thought there was only like 10 gods under different names. There were lots of local goddesses called ishtar and even the people who worshipped ishtar didn't think thst the ishtar of this city and the ishtar of that city were literally the same gal in a different place. Isthar was simultaneously a grand queen of heaven and a sort of category to which a local deity could belong. Here's an article on jstor (you have a jstor account right its free) that does a brief overview of how we can see this tendency during the reign of Assurbanipal specifically. The language of the time pretty clearly distinguishes between multiple regional ishtars that are capable of working together in cooperation and seem to be delineated from Ishtar in general.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/4200556

Point is you can't just read Sophocles talking about foreign worship of cronus and be sure he thinks its literally the same deity. It is more complex than that. It gets double complicated when you start looking at early christian sources who think it's all bullshit anyway.

>>41278927 (OP)
(((pagans)))

>>41278927 (OP)
And what exactly were Christians doing when they were burning people at the stake?

What do they sacrifice now? And do the Gods like it?

>>41278927 (OP)
I'd just like to point out that while we know disappointingly little about what the greeks thought of stars they identified as wanderers, the big gassy ball up there we refer to as saturn was not considered to be the the god cronus or under the power of cronus. It had its own name, Phainon, named for the being that was the god of it. The light in the sky itself seemingly not being considered a deity in itself but somehow the property or intrinsically connected to the deity Phainon. I'm open to the possibility that it was also associated with cronus but as far as I'm aware the only literary references to that are made by romans or by nonnus writing in the 5th century AD so that might be influenced by roman tradition.
Point is as always it is more complicated

>>41285897
Killing off worm infected people.

>>41281592
I shall not let her death go in vain. We are all adults here. Whisper through art if you care about your present incarnation.

>>41278927 (OP)
The following is merely a hypothesis.
Burning can cause rain.
In great drought with the prospect of famine, people pray for rain.
The greater the burn the more likely there is a greater amount of rain.
A greater sacrifice to the sky comes to be associated with a greater likeliness of appeasement and rain. And over time "quantity" becomes associated with "quality". More valuable livestock, greater potions of grain, eventually one's own kin.

The priest cast then mistake correlation and causation, peoples prayers were answered. Perhaps such things will work for war, or love, or wealth. The priest who appease the sky seem to think they know what they are doing.

And selection bias means those most favored by the sky champion superstitious practices because "it worked for them".

So the chain of thinking goes from burning offerings to the sky from desperate superstitious peoples in antiquity.

>pagans
your first quote literally says 'foreigners' anon. theyre talking about your spiritual forefathers, the jews

>>41285897
Human sacrifice.
Christians are the worst sacrificers, their hypocrisy knows no bounds. Their sacrificial burnings were neurotic acts. No wonder the world is so sick in the head today.

At least sacrifice done by pagans were clean.
For instance, in eastern europe they used to feed the opfer with the best food, gave him the best women, the best clothes, etc, for a year, then he was conducted to the rites and offered to Sventovith on the top of a rock. He died proudly for the god, after enjoying the best delights of life.
Same was done in pre-columbian america, where the sacrificed lived lavishly for a year or more before going to the pyramid to be sacrificed.
Bataille explained how the psychological mechanism of sacrifice worked. Pagan societies believed you needed to spend for a god, in order to bring a good bounty. This is the opposite of a society of accumulation where the money is constantly reinvested.

Because they weren’t three steps out from being stupid cavemen. we always hold what the cavemen in higher regard than our current intellectuals.

>>41288655
It probably started like this, during a deadly drought two Neanderthals were engaged in a fight over one of the last mammoths, the moment one managed to delete the other, clouds began to gather and start poring rain, this made the stupid animal believe that some greater consciousness was proud, thus creating the first blood cult where they continue to murder people for rain or some shit.

>>41279100
we must've imagined those sacrificial Tophets full of incinerated dead kid urns everywhere the Phoenician-Cartheginian Levantine-Mediterranean protokikes ever set foot in number

>>41288773
>tfw you realize gaza is their child sacrifice appeal to ba'al to stop the noticing
>tfw that shit backfired tenfold
>tfw ancient Carthaginians threw their own heirs in the fire to protect their nation
@Netanyahu what's good bro??

finna dunk this lil nigga to keep the gene pool clean like my queen said

>>41278927 (OP)
I dunno. I heard the hexagon on Saturn correlates to estrogen and dopamine. It does seem like they want us full of estrogen and competing for dopamine.

>>41289556
I support it, as long I'm not the one trooning out.

>>41278927 (OP)
>Pagans
You mean jews. They worship YHVH who is Cronus AKA Saturn. That's why the Sabbath is on SATURday

>>41278927 (OP)
Cronus was sent to Tartarus by Zeus - no one worships him. The Right Christcucks human sacrifices aren't mentioned, Witch and Heresy trials - human sacrifices all! The Phoenicians sacrificed to the Ba'als, but in their contest with Elijah, there is NO mention of sacrifices. Ba'al is a Hero God; they sacrificed their best children when they were in dire straits. When moderns sacrifice their fetuses for convenience, they only "sacrifice" their bio-trash, which is only good for "parts": hormones, DNA, and for 'harvesting" chemicals! Ba'al was blended into Iupitar when the Romans destroyed their civilization. The Palmyra Temple and its Arch, which the ISIS terrorist savages destroyed, was the last temple to Iupitar-Ba'al!

>>41278927 (OP)
>Pagans
It's the people that proliferated the concept of the "slur" Pagan that sacrifice children to Saturn. They still do it to this day whether ritualised and mock (Christian - the whole religion predicated on the inversion of Jupiter's triumph over Saturn where Saturn larps as his own son being sacrificed to himself in a perverse kapparot ritual) or actual physical castration rituals (Jews and Muslims)

>>41279100
The Saturn myth, ironically is the telling of a geriatric old fuck that won't accept the natural flow of "time" and robs the cradle because he's a greedy nigger, sort of the opposite moral of "let time take it's course". I suppose it is a tale as old as time however

>>41279100
Ah of course, Semitic religions have never had child sacrifice or ritualised castration, in fact they definitely don't do it to this day

>>41278927 (OP)
Hmm. Prabhupada does mention in his Shrimad Bhagavatam, about hindus who worship the gods of miseries, namely Shani(saturn) and Dhumavati, to be guarded from the same evils they bring. Though he doesnt mention human sacrifices, i think.
Im kinda more interested in the scythians with diana or gauls with mercury, thing. Ive read here and there about the black virgin, the golden bough, eleussian, chipre, ephesian misteries, about these goddesses which might as well be one and the same... but its the first time i read about mercury being on the same uh, human sacrifice business

>>41279226
Look at the circumcision of infants and tell me a mock (or partial, really) castration of an infant isn't somehow associated with Saturn

>>41281430
>The actual physical celestial body known as Jupiter actually supplanted the one known as Saturn
Crazy

>>41285897
>What do they sacrifice now?
You think the people who push and promote abortion as the new progressive whatever dont know who they work for?

im inclined to believe romans might have sacrificed humans but i love my white ancestors and white people never do wrong nor were savages

>>41289642
>Jehovah
>Jove
I feel like this is another one of their inside jokes too

>>41289770
Ey but saturn castrated his own father.
Completely different
(Just joking)

>>41283387
>You just posted a quote saying it was to multiple gods and not Saturn specific.

Yeah, it wasn't just Saturn, human sacrifice was very common among pagans at one time

>>41287182
>your first quote literally says 'foreigners' anon. theyre talking about your spiritual forefathers, the jews

No they are talking about pagans, try reading you lardnat

>>41289642
>>Pagans
>You mean jews. They worship YHVH who is Cronus AKA Saturn. That's why the Sabbath is on SATURday

Then why do you always blame them for things Jehovah did? Make up your fucking mind schizotard

>>41289903
>Then why do you always blame them for things Jehovah did?

What the fuck are you talking about? Jehovah/YHVH is the god of the jews. He demands foreskins so the jews get the foreskins. He says you can rape virgins? Jews do it. Do I need to clearer?

>>41289805
This was always confusing to me. Staurn/YHVH/Cronus/Enlil was slayed by Zeus/jupiter yet Enlil was also Jupiter? How?

>>41289944

But you said he was Saturn Schizotard

Make up your fucking mind

>>41290029
>How?

This is bullshit is why is doesn't make any sense. Retard schizo NPC decided that every ancient god is the same god with no logic or argument behind it

>>41290098
Literally what? Are ye a brainlet? I think you are clearly confused.


>>41290106
Scholars made these connections something you clearly lack the iq to understand. Every religion copies things from the other. Hope it makes sense to your simple brain.

I watched the movie Cube yesterday, and saw nothing saturnian about it.
This movie was being forced here a while ago, by the saturkarens, as a "occult" movie. But the movie is just about a retarded box with traps inside. The movie ends with a literal retard going into the light, hinting the movie is simply a artistic retardation.
This shows you the extent of the saturkaren retardation in this board. Anything that resembles a cube is muh occult or have teh joos associated with it. Fucking tiresome. Fuck you saturkarens. Saturn is a based ROMAN god, the father of agriculture, without him we would be in the paleolithic and not having computers. I'm tired of you.

The nation which Dido founded [Carthage] when she landed in Libya were accustomed to appease the gods by human sacrifice and to offer up their young children - horrible to tell - upon fiery altars.

- Silius Italicus

>>41290270
Saturn ate his own children and is clearly meant to be Cronus as the Romans stole these gods from the greeks. You are clearly a glowie/moron who doesn't know basic history and is no different from YHVH cucks going "Nuh uh! My god is based!" Fucking idiots.

For I cannot find language to speak of the infants who were immolated to the same Saturn, on Account of his hatred of Jupiter. To think that men were so barbarous, so savage, that they gave the name of sacrifice to the slaughter of their own children, that is, to a deed foul, and to be held in detestation by the human race; since, without any regard to parental affection, they destroyed tender and innocent lives, at an age which is especially pleasing to parents

- Lactantius

Children were openly sacrificed in Africa to Saturn as lately as the pro-consulship of Tiberius, who exposed to public gaze the priests suspended on the sacred trees overshadowing their temple—so many crosses on which the punishment which justice craved overtook their crimes, as the soldiers of our country still can testify who did that very work for that proconsul. And even now that sacred crime still continues to be done in secret. It is not only Christians, you see, who despise you; for all that you do there is neither any crime thoroughly and abidingly eradicated, nor does any of your gods reform his ways. When Saturn did not spare his own children, he was not likely to spare the children of others; whom indeed the very parents themselves were in the habit of offering, gladly responding to the call which was made on them, and keeping the little ones pleased on the occasion, that they might not die in tears.

-Tertullian

>>41290312

Saturn and Cronus are the same god you lardtard

>>41290243
>Literally what?

Make up your NPC mind whether Jews worship Jehovah or Saturn, they are not the same gods

>>41290243
>Scholars made these connections

This shit is the lamest NPC take on reddit

>>41290457
>>41290465
>muh NPC
>NPC again got ya!
Is that your only insult mate? Hylics worship YHVH like you(kek).
And yes they are. Jehovah is latin for YHVH but your too fucking stupid to understand as it very clear to anyone with a brain. This only a google search away for anyone who actually has a brain.

>Scholars=Npc
Yep you're a brainlet.

Why did christians sacrifice the planet to infinity negroids?

>>41290447
The romans said so, but the reality is that their deity was different in character to cronus.

A massive bone pit hints at human sacrifice and fertility rituals when Romans ruled Britain

Dead puppies, potential human sacrifices and a painted dog penis bone buried in a ritual deposit in an ancient quarry shaft in southern England are revealing what fertility rituals may have looked like in the early decades of Roman conquest.
“It was filled with an absolutely shocking number of bones,” says Ellen Green, a bioarchaeologist at the University of Reading. “You couldn’t move around in there without stepping on something.” Green describes the find in a recent issue of the Oxford Journal of Archaeology.

The hole full of bones—the largest ritual deposit discovered of its kind dating to the Roman Britain period—gives archaeologists hints about the ways that conquered British did—and didn’t—adopt the cultural practices of Rome as early as the first century A.D.

https://archive.ph/7nwl7

For, over and above these serious disasters, considerable alarm was created by portents which occurred [ca. 216 BCE]. Two Vestal virgins, Opimia and Floronia, were found guilty of unchastity. One was buried alive, as is the custom, at the Colline Gate, and the other committed suicide. L. Cantilius, one of the high-priestly secretaries, now called “minor high priests,” who had been guilty with Floronia, was scourged in the Comitium by the supreme high priest so severely that he died under it. This act of wickedness, coming as it did amongst so many disasters, was, as often happens, regarded as a portent, and the commission of ten men (decemvirs) were ordered to consult the sacred books. Q. Fabius Pictor was sent to consult the oracle of Delphi as to what forms of prayer and supplication they were to use to propitiate the gods, and what was to be the end of all these terrible disasters. Meanwhile, in obedience to the books of destiny, some strange and unusual sacrifices were made, human sacrifices amongst them. A male Gaul and a female Gaul and a Greek man and a Greek woman were buried alive under the cattle market (Forum Boarium). They were lowered into a stone vault, which had on a previous occasion also been polluted by human victims, a practice most repulsive to Roman feelings.

-Livy

>>41279100
Fuck off you fed mason shitstain, youre a fucken retard prattling on in the wrong place. Why would you think anyone would consume your goyim spun drivel, taught by the gubmint at a ridiculous elementary level of conception?

>>41281592
Fuck off you fucken pussy ass little bitch, get ready for the fucken end and strap up or go on being a little cunt yellow as shit til your grave. Dont wanna fight this evil? Then off yourself and join the enemy

>>41290608
>Hylics

And who did you get that idea from moron?

>>41290608

Again, Make up your NPC mind whether Jews worship Jehovah or Saturn

>>41290608
>Jehovah is latin for YHVH
Jehovah was made up by the English.

>>41290890

You were made up by shitty botfarm

>>41290898
What are you even trying to say?

>>41290312
>basic official history
I am supposed to care?

>>41290927

You are such a stupid NPC that they could run your code on a casio watch

>>41279111
I think the Saturn thing is this more or less. It seems as though it was a very old god, native to Rome or the Etruscans. If there's any world-controlling pedophilic death cult, I am convinced it is based on babylonian kabbalah instead.

>>41278927 (OP)
>Why did Pagans sacrifice their children to Saturn?
Did? They still do

>>41278927 (OP)
liberal statist bootlickers didn't have abortion access at that time.

>>41291754

No, they would throw their baby down the well or leave it outside for dogs to eat instead

>>41290788
You think you can handle what's going to be freed from Tartarus? Are you a demigod that can take on the hellspawn supposed to overrun the surface world? No you're not. No one is. No one will be. This is the most retarted shit. I like larping and telling bs stories but once in a while a thread like this comes along with someone like you. Better reroll your character. Int is below average. Kek.

>>41290312
>Saturn ate his own children
That's a analogy for time devouring the individual, you dumbass. Jupiter is the only one who isn't devoured, giving origin to electromagnetism, which in its turn created the planets. And while inside time the other gods teaches the arts and sciences to humanity, until they are released. After that human civilization starts.
>who doesn't know basic history
I know more history than you, enough to tell you most of it is fake, with 1000 years duplicated by the Vatican in order to sell the two more weeks meme.
Both Jupiter and Saturn are great gods, not this christian /pol/tard delusion about jews. Christianity is a religion for npcs.

>>41279005
The cube must be destroyed.

>>41290765
>What about Titus Livy, author a century earlier than Tacitus of a monumental history of Rome in 142 verbose volumes, starting with the foundation of Rome in 753 BC through the reign of Augustus. It is admitted, since Louis de Beaufort’s critical analysis (1738), that the first five centuries of Livy’s history are a web of fiction.[7]www.mediterranee-antique.fr/Fichiers_PdF/ABC/Beaufort/Dissertation.pdf. But can we trust the rest of it? It was also Petrarch, Brotton informs us, who “began piecing together texts like Livy’s History of Rome, collating different manuscript fragments, correcting corruptions in the language, and imitating its style in writing a more linguistically fluent and rhetorically persuasive form of Latin.”[8] None of the manuscripts used by Petrarch are available anymore.

Christians can't stop lying about the gods. They will try their best to smear their names with a web of lies, quoting fake writers who never existed and were created during the european renaissance.
They will try to associate paganism with pedophilia, because they are obsessed with this subject. There are several scandals in the christian church involving children and they want to pull pagans down to their same level.

>>41278927 (OP)
Saturn worshippers did do this, including the Abrahamic religions. The current realm has always been influenced and largely ran by Saturn worshippers. Gnosticism exposed this and much more, that’s partially why they hate Gnostics so much.