Thread 41286196

demiurge/satan/shaitan/etc are just copes trying to keep the highest divinity's hands clean of the suffering we experience in the cosmos.
The truth is that the One encompasses all, the good and bad
Trying to create a separate entity to blame makes no difference in the end, since the highest power should be able to sweep them away with no effort
Inb4:
>the highest power is keeping them around to teach us moral lessons
If that's the case the other entity is still redundant, the highest might as well be teaching us these lessons himself

>>41286196 (OP)
Not disagreeing but this kinda just gets us back to square one with 'the One' not being all good. Personally, I think that makes the most sense, but people seem to have trouble admitting that. Gnosticism saw this, but then fell into the trap of 'but above this bad guy there's a good guy!'.
Abraxas or a similar deity makes the most sense. Nothing is without the other.

If devs on Earth can make computer people to play sims.
God can make hylics to play sims with.
No need for every play thing to be self-aware.

This moral cuts through the bullshit.

If there are self-aware apertures, they must be sovereign.

>>41286231
There are no sovereigns, there is no distinction between a hylic and a psychic, apart from the powers they are both puppets.

>>41286240
Simple Law:

Whatever is Self-Aware Aperture MUST be Sovereign.

>>41286245
you are a slave to the script like all of us, idiot, no one escapes the determinism and control of the one, I know part of the global script and it has been executed without changes, no one here is free, you and I, we are all just puppets in a puppet show of the one, the creator is all and omnipotent, therefore he controls everything, nothing escapes his control, if something were out of his control, the one would not be the supreme deity but a false god

>>41286196 (OP)
Only 2 systems make sense to me: either non-dualism where the One contains and transcends all apparent opposites, or absolute dualism where the good and evil deities are equal in strength and have both been around forever, locked in eternal struggle and stalemate.
Systems of monotheism with an evil entity that is both lesser in power and a non-eternal created being, who is just allowed to run amok for a while runs into the middleman issue in the OP.
Personally non-dualism seems to be the simplest and most elegant solution

>>41286196 (OP)
Monad here: We (gnostics) are Hell.
Jigoku Dimension.
Hi, hi, we are Hell. The Demiurge is ded, Satan lives still, not sure how badly wounded.
Amateratsu is Gone, I roam free

>>41286196 (OP)
Have you considered the possibility that the notion of there being only one God might be a cope aswell? There used to be a pantheon of different Gods before the Abrahamic mindfuckery that we currently suffer under.

>>41286196 (OP)
God loves drama. If Satan weren't a separate entity you wouldn't know which one to resist and which one to serve. You must resist Satan and serve God (and ultimately you must be able to forgive Satan).

>>41287980
Tose gods are just réflexion and slaves/servants of the one thereforce the one is the only real god

>>41286196 (OP)
To be almighty indeed means they can sweep them away. That doesn't mean it doesn't take effort or time. Principles of context still apply.

The supreme god seems indifferent or consenting

Or maybe we're God just dicking around one of the most degenerate server

>>41288368
>limitations and constraints

Not omnipotent then

>>41288389
>Or maybe we're God just dicking around one of the most degenerate server
Now you're getting it.

>>41288395
Having omnipotence is not an obligation to exert force. It would be akin to destroying the Rubik cube instantaneously and recreating it in its finished configuration, vs solving it and preserving the transitions of entropy to a finalized state. The former requisites the very destruction of time itself. Omitting all states of reality in-between.

I personally do not consider these in-between states as having any value, it would be my preference to omit the pointless noise that is humanity, and maybe it will be.

However,

You are also you are assuming the almighty is "good" or "bad". Or that power equates instant gratification and lasting contentment.

It does not.

>>41288473
You cannot self create if you have to go through a transaction to achieve a result

Also you can definitely say when something is good or bad

>>41288491
Let's say you we're outside looking inward. You create enough entropy to output a strip of film in an instant. Even thought there is an internally consistent chronology encoded in that data, it's observation does not refute the spontaneous synthesis of that entropy. You are too preoccupied with your personal world view.

Likewise, while good and bad exist. They are attributes that require an observer. And therefore are subjective. And those narrow attributes only constitute a single one dimensional continuum which ultimately collapses to entropy.

>>41286196 (OP)
consider this.

"the highest" always seeks novelty. but because it is omniscient and omnipotent, there cant be anything new, since it knows all.
except through a mechanism: amnesia.

it creates a vessel, an avatar, the human body, shatters itself into infinite limited pieces, incarnating through those vessels in a limited (non-omniscient) form and endlessly experiences novelty, as you and me.

"evil" is nothing other than ignorance, which is non-omniscience..

God is not evil nor is it a cope or excuse.
reality simply is and all is fine, with all the good and bad.
without these dualities, there would be no contrasting and thus no discernment/perception.

evil exists because God (you) decided to temporarily forfeit omniscience, to experience novelty. the evil is justified, because beyond you, there is nothing else. in other words and from an absolute POV, when person A does evil to person B, whats really happening is God doing evil to himself.. think of it like slapping your left hand with your right one.
the sting/pain/evil is justified because of novelty and fun.

you can also observe this naturally: people do painful things and derive great pleasure or satisfaction from the results:
resistance training, fasting, competitive play, etc...

>>41290291
>seeks novelty
unfulfilled in unity
>suffers through ignorance
unfulfilled in multiplicity
We're dissatisfied no matter what state we (the One) are in
Reunify as the One to dispel ignorance and suffering, and then we seek novelty
Split into infinite becoming to experience something new, and suffer through ignorance and amnesia
We're screwed

>>41290291
Making people remember is pointless. The whole point was forgetting, why force others to remember?

People do not realize that truth is not what they want, 'truth' is 'immutable', and to know that to be almighty is merely to induce genesis by omission is an entirely pointless form of omnipotence.

Ignorance is a choice, hypocrisy born of epiphany.

And it does not do to make the 'NPC's' 'remember'.

>>41286196 (OP)
Cool. Where did this get you?

>>41290838
So if neither form is ultimately satisfying, what is the solution?
Go from a sleepwalker in the cosmos to a lucid dreamer, without becoming so aware that you fully awaken yourself and reunify with the One? In other words treading the fine line between the One and the infinite?
That might be enough to satisfy you for the rest of this current life, but it's probably not a permanent solution. You'd have to restart the process from scratch an infinite amount of times for each incarnation that follows

>>41291646
Learn about trivialism. Learn from the suffering of others, and actively and proactively follow the easy path. And accept that while a solution exist, that it may be an extremely difficult one.

And as a it pertains to the last point. Take a good long time to not fall for greed and create a very very thoughtful definition of 'what is enough'?

>>41286257
>>41286257
really? then what would be a short list of deviations?

>>41286196 (OP)
>trust me, satan isn't real everything is One, Jesus isn't Lord, do as thou wilt

you are a worker of iniquity

>>41290838
>unfulfilled in unity
no, because the current status quo is part of its eternal beingness, thus, it is always fulfilled and in fact always was: the status quo has neither beginning nor end
> unfulfilled in multiplicity
no, God is perfectly content, always has been, always will be.
its not in a process. it is and always has been and the state that is, is the fullness of reality, including this illusory multiplicity and absolute oneness. thus it is continually experiencing novelty, from the "beginning" - there was no state before that were God had to introduce this process, thus prior suffered. these are all time-bound logical errors. it is in the timeless and there all things always have been sort of in parallel or at the same time. thus there was never a state where God suffered.

we and the current status quo ARE part of God's perfection...

>>41291768
if Christianity were real, it would be every moral being's obligation to rebel against such a viscerally evil god.

>>41291768
the enlightening message of "Love me or go to Hell." /s

>>41286196 (OP)
On your death bed you'll arrive at the same conclusion that everyone else does, there's one God, you've been denying Him your whole life, you're responsible, you're the one that's created the evil in your life and no one else did. It's good that you're at least thinking about it now and you might eventually find yourself in a situation where you have to admit the truth to yourself. That's generally the only way a human being ever gets it. You either die to yourself now and go through the pain or you suffer later. That's always the choice that's ultimately before you.

>>41292365
God could have created perfect beings with free will.

All of this is unnecessary.
The only moral explanation is that it is a videogame.

>>41292415
You can take it right back to the very beginning of sin and defiance of God. You can ask yourself "Why did God create Lucifer, knowing that he would rebel?" If God makes the decision not to create Lucifer then free will doesn't exist at all, if He's consistent and universally applies the principle. If He doesn't create Lucifer and is consistent in that course of action as a response to all beings who would defy Him, then there's no universe where free will could exist, because He would preemptively intervene anytime there was the slightest hint of rebellion.

You could also look at it this way. What if Lucifer was the lesser evil? What if He chooses not to create Lucifer in that moment, but evil then manifests through a different far worse mechanism than if He had just gone ahead and created him? If you were omnipotent, those dominoes would always be something you'd have to think about in any decision. So our idea of morality is surface level at best, and that's essentially what we're given, because it's all we can know.

>>41291768
>didn't refute a single point
The copers and scapegoaters have arrived

After reading many /x/ posts, I have come to the conclusion that no one on /x/ knows shit, but they act like they do anyway.

>>41292365
The sins of the world upon Christ?
You don’t even know your own religion.
OP is right, according to you.
>The evil of the world is on God/Christ
Also, you’re a bastard to propose that all evil one experiences is their own fault. May God grant you wisdom in this.

>>41290291
>the highest always seeks novelty
>because it is omniscient and omnipotent, there cant be anything new, since it knows all
Why does there NEED to be anything new?

>>41294573
Maybe ask direct and concise questions rather than beat around the bush. Are you upset that there isn't an answer, or that the answers aren't useful to you? Maybe you are more preoccupied with an specific outcome in mind and want easy solutions, like everyone else.

K