Thread 41289917

is it real or not? where is the proof? is there proof?

>>41289917 (OP)
can't be proven or disproven

Do you guys think if more people believe in karma they will become good, or they will just invent some distorted meaning for what it means to be good?

Take the open individualism pill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YszCjl8ZHkw

How quantum immortality could work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65jdcvSOOjI

>>41289953
believe does neither make someone good nor bad... and good and bad are two sides of the same coin, constituting dualism, which is the cause of strife and suffering. the goal is to achieve non-dualism (advaita), there is neither male/female, friend/foe, hot/cold, etc. but absolute unity or holy oneness.

"globohomo" is the way.
love and peace "hippy shit" is the way.
though it does not come naturally because the beings confined in this binary system which is the digital simulation or matrix, are by necessity polarized one way or another.
necessity because without contrasting, mundane discernment/experience cant be, thus material existence (hell) cant be.
the goal is not to bring peace to earth, thats impossible, but to elevate earth to a non-dual state, which practically leads to the destruction of all borders between poles.
the zeitgeist is orchestrating it, it is what the process naturally unfolds into.

from oneness we descended into the illusory multitude and from here we will return back to oneness. and this holy cycle has neither beginning, nor ends, its purely the nature of "isness"

>>41289917 (OP)
If there was proof it wouldn’t be paranormal. Just like your manhood cannot be proven via empiricism.

>>41289917 (OP)
Once a mostly crazy Chinese man got perfectly sane when we were alone together and told me reincarnation is fake and Jesus Christ is real

It's real but I don't think I'm coming back to this planet or realm or whatever it is.

It is a demonic trick

>>41289917 (OP)
It’s worth it depending on the quality of your next life, now the only question remaining is how to ensure you get a good one?

>>41290253
>only question remaining is how to ensure you get a good one?
Hindu scriptures would say:
dharma, mantras, homa, charity
then some culture specific remedies (which do not need to be done as the other above can be done instead): things like donating cows, and feeding brahmins.

Then they mention specific rewards for specific forms of charities.

Basically if you were a good religious person, you can be born in a good family, with family wealth, education, good job, and religious upbringing. So you get every advantage in life pertaining to a middle class person, but its all you need for spiritual development.

Sinners get cursed by various things:
abusive families, single mothers, poverty, bad health, weak diseased body, no education, untouchable jobs.
Maybe a prostitute gets reborn as a cleaning lady in sketchy neighborhoods as an example.

Anyways lots of quotes from hindu scriptures on that concept

>>41289917 (OP)
Humans get reincarnated into pigs and then get reincarnated as devas. pigs=devas=archons

>>41289917 (OP)
>is it real or not?
Yes.

>>41289917 (OP)

They followed our joke car designs to the letter. Three foot pedals! Who knows what other lies we put in the data archives. We knew our dumbass descendants would not invent anything, and just rip off our inventions and claim them as their own.

>>41289925
FPBP

1. THY spirit, that went far away to Yama to Vivasvan's Son,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
2. Thy spirit, that went far away, that passed away to earth and heaven,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
3. Thy spirit, that went far away, away to the four-eyed earth,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
4. Thy spirit, that went far away to the four quarters of the world,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
5. Thy spirit, that went far away, away unto the billowy sea,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
6. Thy spirit, that went far away to beams of light that flash and flow,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
7. Thy spirit, that went far away, went to the waters and the plants,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
8. Thy spirit, that went far away, that visited the Sun and Dawn.
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
9. Thy spirit, that went far away, away to lofty mountain heights,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
10. Thy spirit, that went far away into this All, that lives and moves,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
11. Thy spirit, that went far away to distant realms beyond our ken,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.
12. Thy spirit, that went far away to all that is and is to be,
We cause to come to thee again that thou mayst live and sojourn here.

>>41289917 (OP)
100% real. Look up the research of Ian Stevenson.

>>41289917 (OP)
My dad had a strong memory of the man he was in his past life what he was doing when he died. He was some missionary or something and he was helping some people escape some bad situation on a mountain and he slipped and fell off a cliff and then he knew his name and the day he died and that was his birthday in the 30s.
He told me the story as a child and I'd always meant to ask him again and get the name and the location and see if I could somehow track the records down and prove it was possible, but I forgot to revisit the subject before he died himself.
But it made me believe in that kind of thing. He's probably a toddler now somewhere in the world. He was also sensitive to ghosts and stuff but I wasn't. I think certain people can see and hear and feel things that others cannot. Different members of my family feel the house was haunted but it never worked for me; I never noticed any of it.
I don't think there is or can be proof of such a thing. I know my dad was an honest and trustworthy man who didn't make up bullshit. I know a few anecdotes from over the years that make me really believe something we can't understand is moving our world. But I don't believe in any god. It's all energy and we know it goes somewhere. I feel there is something to deja vu and eternal return. I feel I'm stuck in an unsuccessful round myself; like I need to learn something this time around. I don't like myself very much and I'm not very good to people a lot of the time. I feel something about all this though, like life isn't what it seems and that there are do-overs or resets or something. But unlike a lot of the nuts on this board, I don't think there's a damn thing to be done about it. There's no understanding or harnessing or controlling any of it. We cannot be certain about anything. We all perceive the world subjectively in our own way. And yet there are observable laws and certainties we can count on about our shared reality.
I love to contemplate it all.

>>41289917 (OP)
No. And if it ever was real, I shattered the cycle already.

>>41289917 (OP)
some evidence: people naturally joke about it implying they had past lives/will have future lives. even people who do not come from cultures where it is an active element of the belief system
jews believe in it. most people dont know this because its not an important part of the religion, but they have scriptural arguments for it

>>41296732
Cool. But people believing things isn't evidence. Even if they believed really hard. In religious debates all of the "evidence" on that side always comes down to "but we have the witness testimonies". Which is just more believing in the bible no matter what. I'm not trusting some character in the bible any more than I'm trusting the 'god' of the bible. It's ALL without proof. Equally.

It's more of an ontological proof. It just makes sense from a logical standpoint. Some people do claim past life memory, and very strange occurrences are recorded.

That aside, what is more likely? That you just happen to exist now and in a whole eternity you didn't exist at all and roll never exist again? A whole fucking eternity? What are the odds you'd happen to be dlive right now in that? That's incredibly, astronomically low.

The other possibility is this is just part of a natural process. The whole universe has been doing this forever and your point of awareness has been reincarnating forever and will do so forever. This incarnated state you find yourself in is just one instance in an infinite line.

>>41289917 (OP)
I have past life memories.
As for proof, it's hard to prove when most people, events, and places are entirely forgotten history.

>>41289917 (OP)
Why would there be proof?

>>41296809
>people believing things isn't evidence
The fact that belief in reincarnation is more widespread than we tend to recognize at first glance, not being constrained into a few specific religions but being an independently occurring sentiment and even being present in more formal religions than people are usually aware is evidence. This means it is a thing that people feel should be correct intuitively.

This is far more compelling than all the rational arguments for it combined since they can never be tested. Rational arguments can only say 'well you cant disprove it because i can show how it can be consistent with our current views', which doesnt offer any positive backing to the idea. The spontaneous universal understanding that it is true however is positive backing. Of course this doesnt concretely prove anything, but it is a piece of evidence.

>>41289917 (OP)
Yes, but we exist in both the past and the future.

Most people don't need to remember their past lives unless it's to understand past karma

The population numbers don't make sense for reincarnation

>>41300344
You can be insect in your past life.

>>41300344
The non-incarnated souls outnumber the incarnated souls by 10,000x.
That's the error your making, is thinking heaven is running out of souls to run through the meat grinder on this earth.