Thread 41290594

Like the law of karma Law of Trailaksa and the cycle of birth and death Samsara

>>41290594 (OP)
Jesus and God are definitely real, considering I have seen and heard demons who follow Islam and demons who hate the Rosary.

>>41290605
That is just an illusion created by your mind.

>>41290594 (OP)
I envy you and your religion
>t. christian

>>41290594 (OP)
It seems you have not yet become :DDDDD enough in order to post about this subject, OP

Transcend the false duality of east and west and let the ancient wisdom of the ebin one guide you to enlightenment, you would be wise to listen as you are clearly in an early stage of your spiritual development (he may also be able to cure you of your terrible furfaggotry affliction too if you ask nicely)

>>41290690
Then convert to Buddhism and Taoism.

>>41290594 (OP)
Real is a funny word, if you had trascended samsara as the Buddha had instructed you would realize that "real" is a figment of the imagination. Everything is real and unreal, tangible and imaginary. This black and white thinking of yours appears to be the byproduct of your ego.

>>41290704
That does not mean that God and Jesus are real. It means that Buddha's teaching about transience is correct.

>>41290746
To make an overt declaration requires direct knowledge something you seem to be unable to convey to the audience through your written speech therefore your point is null.

>>41290756
Save the logic acrobatics for fooling stupid westerners like you. The truth is that you are too stupid to understand the Buddha's words.

>>41290839
Words like "stupid" and "truth" are a projection of your subjective reality. I think it is likely even though I don't know the guy that the Buddha would call your overt declarations "improper speech", and "improper mindfulness". Contrary to two of the eight precepts of the eightfold path. I have passing knowledge of the dharma and much of what I know has been gained through direct experience. I doubt someone imposing their religion on others as if it were some sort of law would be capable of knowing greater truths.

>>41290839
If you're going to keep making posts like this then you may as well just drop all pretense and replace "hate racist" with "hate westerners" instead, it's not like being openly racist is anything new on 4chan

>>41290914
Oh yeah?
You have the Dhamma knowledge to resist the spread of Buddha's teachings. and promoting the illusion that God and Jesus are real?

what a joke

>>41290935
I have the dhamma knowledge to know that missionary work and converting others to any religion be it Christianity or Buddhism is ultimately futile and will ultimately result in ruin. Victory and failure are the illusions of Mara. The only way to truly save others is to find peace and knowledge within oneself and let ones enlightment radiate outwards. Inspiring rather than controlling.

>>41290594 (OP)

Cat and Dog are not real. But fish really exists.

>>41290959
Nonsense. Your aim is not to spread the teachings. On the contrary, your aim is to confuse the interpretation of the teachings. Be as vague as possible to protect ignorance and allow it to continue to exist among people.

This is not the Eightfold Path. The Eightfold Path is having the correct opinion. that he clearly knows the cause and factors in Paticcasamuppada.

But you misunderstand and have ignorance. You understand that defeating Mara is not victory. You are lost in the words of your thinking. You think for the sake of thinking. And that's what westerners like to do until it's broken.

>>41291005
Nani ?

>>41290839
You are mistaken. It is a difference of being concise. You are mistaking the concept of "Real" and "Genuine". And what makes a god is not divinity, but the act of worship. One may worship a cat and that would constitute a god. While there are naive people who would assert that god, and what is the almighty are the same. They are not. you may take issue with the rhetoric. But you are having a debate in English.

The question isn't whether if it exist or not. But by what definition one might quantify that which is "allmighty".

For example, 'fool's gold' is real, but it is not genuine. It is a substance, and fools have attributed their sentiment of value to it.

>>41290594 (OP)
woun't jesus be real just a failed person who tried to do something similar to the budda , under a buddist lence?

or at least the idea of jesus is real.

like I understand feeling like jesus is fundamentally a trap , but like isn't buddism a religion that by definition doesn't have to much of an ego about thier concepts.

>>41291029
You use that "Westerner" term as a shield. As far as I can tell the entire world is fucked up East and West. So are you trying to imply that your geographic location gives you some sort of moral high ground? My aim has never been to spread the teachings just seek knowledge within myself and let that be the foundation of my charity. I didn't say that defeating Mara isn't victory, I said that victory and defeat in terrestrial terms are the illusions of Mara. To truly be victorious over Mara one must overcome the sensory attachments of the bhavacakra.

>>41291044
That is not anything interesting or worth explaining. It's just a Christian excuse. When science proves that God does not exist They made excuses by "redefining" it.
Created in the world in 7 "days"? The day of God is no longer than the day of man, etc. The entire Bible is a movie so overwritten and edited that it is nothing of interest.


>>41291047
It is possible. In the Middle Ages, there were fabricated stories of saints in distant places that completely copied Buddha's history.

>>41291105
You have a huge ego.

>>41291133
LOL>>41291133

>>41291105
How about you separate the Bible and God because the Bible was created by retarded humans. God is based, God is the entire multiverse and we live in the Universe so we are fractals of Him. Does God make more sense to you now?

>>41290605
anon can you expand on this? I've always found it sus that "djinns" can supposedly be Muslims, since djinns are just demons. Is Islam demonic?

I had an encounter with a demon at one point and I read it the Quran when I was psychotic

>>41291158
Are the terms "Westerner", "Buddhist", and "Christian" not sensory attachments created by the ego? Does practicing Buddhism as a religion rather than a methodology not defeat the purpose? You say you're a Buddhist, but who are you as a person?

>>41291159
If we separate the human texts, there is no evidence left to indicate the existence of God in Christianity and Jesus.

checkmate

>>41290594 (OP)
There's mountains more evidence for the resurrection of Jesus than there is for "reincarnation" or other Buddhist claims. Has anyone actually "achieved enlightenment" in modern times?

>>41291159
The Bible has dual-authorship: the humans writing and the Holy Spirit working through those humans. This idea that we're all "fragments of God" or whatever is demonic. No. We're finite beings, God is infinite. The pot is not the same level as the potter.

>>41291205
The only primary evidence for the existence of Jesus is secondary evidence....
That is, writings that "talk about" rumors of the execution of Roman officials. and there are no Roman documents attesting that it actually happened.

There was no corpse, no bones, no name of the author of the story that had been told over and over.

On the contrary, remembering one's life is everywhere in every nation and every language around the world, from the past to the present.

There are still people who have attained Arahantship in Thailand.

>>41291253
Why did you make this post in the first place?

>>41290605
Spirits can follow religions, they dont magically know everything just because they are spirits. Lots of demons I know worship Christ.

>>41291105
>It is possible. In the Middle Ages, there were fabricated stories of saints in distant places that completely copied Buddha's history.
I mean people wanting to be saints accidentally getting into the same territory budism gets into is interesting and most importantly for you important.

I understand that the true objective facts of buddism are problably the only few non permanent things , but the religion itself , how people teach themselves buddist concepts should be complete open for grabs no?

we are in a era were a bunch of crazy people could either try to make the entire world Cristian or aetists , you need to care and think about situations of buddism in places untuched by the budda himself , because we all might forget everything about buddism soon.

>Jesus and God don’t exist
But
>Buddha existed
OP, real scholars, secular scholars that is, ones that are ideologically involved with Buddhism, can’t even place the century Buddha allegedly lived in.
So why should I uncritically accept your claim about the Buddha, and discourage the claims of others who’s evidence is just as bad?

>>41291360
*ones that are not ideologically

>>41290594 (OP)
>Buddha, Jesus, and Zoroaster walk into a bar
What do they say to each other?

I see you post often thai furry anon, both here and on /pol/ I think? You're pretty cute. What do you think about the Gnostics? I go to a Buddhist temple but I can't bring myself to dislike Jesus because of their writings.

>>41291360
We use the Buddhist calendar here. And it was after Buddha's death in 2568 year. Sri Lanka and many other sects are not very different these days. And Western scholars who have calculated the history of the lunar calendar have said that it is only 60 years old.

The remains of his bones in Kapilpas and the soil in which they were buried along with Ashoka's pillars also date back to the same period as the Buddha.
King Ashoka's inscriptions extolling Buddhism appeared only a few hundred years after his death. He inscribed in the language used only in his era the existence of the Buddha in various places. inscribed on his pillars throughout India and
And its credibility is so high that Dharmachakra is on the Indian flag. that is based on Hinduism

>>41291253
Uhh, buddy the execution of Jesus is mentioned by both Josephus and Tacitus. No serious scholar argues he never existed.

What does it mean to attain Arahantship? Have these guys written about their experience? What does attaining enlightenment actually mean?

>>41291437
Not OP but Pythagoras existed and is well documented to exist. So, according to the logic of Christian apologetics and the historicity of Jesus, the cult of Pythagoras had some grounds because he actually existed.

>>41291477
5head take. I was just making the point that Jesus definitely existed historically which OP was denying.

The argument that Jesus rose from the dead is separate and in my opinion follows from the apostles going to their deaths for it and the conversion of St. Paul.

See this article

https://faculty.som.yale.edu/jameschoi/whychrist/

>>41291437
Tacitus only mentions Jesus in one sentence.
Josephus is jew

We know who an Arahant is by looking at his habits and conduct and his answers to questions about what he should know.
In Thailand, there are many monks who have the ability to understand people's thoughts and communicate with them telepathically.

In the Tripitaka it is recorded that they existed. and consistent with the records of The Macedonian side when they occupied India and brought sculpture to the Buddhist people and gave birth to Buddha statues.

Question and answer between Menander and Arahant Sankarajan There are records regarding the actual existence of the Buddha. The speed of the mind is faster than anything in the world. Maybe even faster than the speed of light comes from the answers to Arahant Sankarajan and Menander's questions.

I will quote your explanation. That is Dhamma that is more profound than ordinary humans can imagine. This is the principle that the Buddha really exists. In my opinion, contradictory teachings in the Bible are evidence that God does not exist.

>>41291522
Evidence / source for this claims that monks can do telepathy?

Why do you believe the shit in the Tripitaka (written ~2,100 years ago) but not the New Testament (~2,000 years ago)? And the Menander shit is from the Milindapanha which is also 2,000 years old. Why do you believe this but not the Gospels?

Show me some contradictions in the Bible???

>>41290594 (OP)
why the fuck are you here

>>41291542
Because those sources are not from the Buddhist side themselves, they are reliable. But Christian information comes primarily from themselves.

>Show me some contradictions in the Bible???
https://sciencebasedlife.wordpress.com/2011/03/20/a-visual-representation-of-biblical-contradictions/

>>41291549
And you ? :)

>>41291105
I am not a proponent of Christianity.
It is an anthropological definition based on the concept of idolatry, and the traditional Greek/Pagan gods. A good is simply an object of worship.

The christian definition of god is wrong. And the definition I am pointing to is consistent with all gods, given the history of apotheosis. Which is what you would refer to as 'enlightenment'.

The English words represent concepts, and I am simply giving you the English equivalent.

The fallacy of your argument is effectively demonstrated when you substitute 'illusion' for 'god'.

A christian's understanding of illusions are flawed, therefore illusions themselves do not exist. The problem here is that you are ignoring the underlying observed phenomenon and how the concept is applied in practice.

The nuance of it is important because of quantification. How else is one meant to translate such concepts between languages? By it's very principle it is the concept that westerners use to explain the concept of Buddhism as Buddha being an Asian god, an object of worship and veneration.

>>41290594 (OP)
Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords. Hinduism and other eastern slop is just that. Slop.

what do you think of vajrayana/tantra

>>41291680
It is the same nonsense as western people's intellectual obsession. They are fascinated by magic and rituals. They are obsessed with recruiting new followers to compete with other Hindu sects.

>>41291672
And he killed the whole world with a flood. Send lions to eat children who mock his people. And kill a husband and wife who refused to donate money to the church?

>>41290691
So much this

>>41291724
>magic
Is magic inherently bad in Buddhism? Is it forbidden?

What about the Precious and Holy Cross?

Does that exist?

+ + + Jesus Christ Our Savior Please Help Us.

Analockman things he is wise, but he is just autistic. BTW, do you fuck ladyboys? The trannies from Thailand are hot and easy