Thread 41303713

Go read prayers to Isis/Ishtar. They legitimately sound very similar to the prayers said to Mary in the Catholic Church. My question is the following, is this the right thing to do? So many of the practices and beliefs of Catholicism explicitly go against the Old Testament. I’m wondering if Catholicism is Paganism or some sort of Gnosticism in disguise. The attached picture is a description of an invocation of Isis and her response, which reminds me of how Marian apparitions talk.

>>41303713 (OP)
Yeah man the two are practically indistinguishable.

>>41303757
Read about what Marian apparitions have said. A lot of them basically state they are the only ones holding back calamity on the earth. Some of these encounters really do not feel like they come from the humble Virgin Mary we read about in scripture.

>>41303775
>the humble Virgin Mary

>>41303775
Official Catholic appearances of Mary have been weirder

>>41303823
>pronounced easter in English
Based on fucking what? Cuneiform is syllabic, there's no ambiguity about pronunciation unless you literally don't know what the signs mean in which case why trust that it says ishtar at all?

I have no idea what the female identity is supposed to be but she is also usurping things from men, like Mithras, Michael, and Jesus. Off the top of my head:
>wearing a mantle of stars
>associations with roses
>birth on the 8th of the 7th month
>defeating the serpent
>having an immaculate conception
>body disappears after the 3rd day
>stella maris being added into the Michael-Apollo axis
>being represented by both Venus but also the Moon
With the introduction of Venus into our skyline it might have created a lot of confusion that allowed for a lot of switch-ups between entities. And I have no idea how this woman has such a strong cult following.
>>41303805
Oh never mind same as it ever was. No wonder coomer gachas are so popular.

>>41303869
>this woman
If you syncretise hard enough you'll eventually get a deity with every possible aspect.
Ishtar and Inana weren't even the same goddess initially.

>>41303891
I basically just reduced everything to four entities.

A primary pair that existed pre-floods/cataclysm, and then an additional pair that came to be post-flood that is in constant competition.
Everything else I just consider it to be characters entities sometimes getting confused with other things conflated with many other entities, also people adding in their personal experiences in life and stories getting ascribed to characters, etc.

But if you want a clean perspective you go have to go cosmic.

Or at least that's as far as I can go anyway it's not like I work for the government to be able to know anything, or super secret stuff.

>>41303869
>Oh never mind same as it ever was
Read a poem today from the old babylonian period where a girl calls her boyfriend daddy.

>>41303970
Hah, I'll take your word for it.

>>41303713 (OP)
This is the Divine Feminine principle pushing through Abrahamic dogma and already established and widespread methods of worship manifesting themselves as the most frictionless form of communication. Can't escape it.

>>41303999
Its the fault of the yawhist monotheist reformers for suppressing ashera worship in the first place.

>>41303713 (OP)
Or is it possible that Isis and Mary are just two names for the same deity? Why was Mary sometimes depicted as black? What did Fulcanelli say about this?

>>41303713 (OP)
Take a look at a book called 'The Glories of Mary' by A Liguori. Its probably about the most widely reprinted book devoted to Mary out of all of them. It's absolutely wild and bizarre to see how utterly unbiblical the whole thing has become.

Then maybe listen to this short presentation by an ex-roman priest (Richard Bennett) about how the roman church has elevated Mary into roles and titles that the bible only ever applies to Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxwYuWzC61s

A couple more here

https://bereanbeacon.org/the-parallel-of-mary-to-jesus/

https://bereanbeacon.org/the-biblical-mary-and-the-mary-of-catholic-tradition/

very good listening

>>41304440
>This excellent presentation also exposes the unifying worship of Mary with Islam.
Can you explain this? I am at work and can’t listen right now. Thanks for the information.

>>41304523
oh, its something Bennett was talking about yes. it seems that the roman church were at one point talking about how they wanted to teach devotion to Mary as a way to convert muslims to the roman church. he used it as an example of how they have elevated Mary i some ways to the level of Jesus in their theology and practice.

>>41303713 (OP)
Christianity is the only religion of god according to Jesus. Catholics literally worship and pray to saints. That's idolatry, inside of the church... in front of a crucified Jesus. If you can't see it you are probably just some bot, atheist, or retard. Christianity wss the last religion "delivered by god", possibly. Lutherans are based as fuck when proper. Languages and races are a punishment from god for building the tower of babel and trying to reach heaven. To race mix and try to get everybody to be the same fucked up same race creature is an act against god. Cathllics promote race mixing. God made us different as a punishment. What we are supposed to do is learn to work together, seperately, in our own countries with our own people. Not race mix and send rockets and shit to "heaven" and repeat the same blaaphemous acts we were punished for. God bless and such.

>>41303713 (OP)
This is.a fun idea but the Virgin Mary could not be less like Inanna aside from the title "Queen of Heaven." Veneration of Mary is still idolatry but Catholics don't really care about that in the traditional sense.

>>41304523
he also mentioned the Marian apparition site of Fatima in Portugal in this context, because Fatima was the name of Mohammads favorite daughter. seems like the muslims often go there because of that name, even though it really has nothing to do with islam. i guess they think its some kind of sign or something. But rome sees it as a way to attract muslims to the church.....by devotion to Mary. Its very strange.

>>41303891
It's always the same. Phoenician alphabet, greek alphabet, latin alphabet the name never changes. It is not a word, it is a label for a cosmic entity/planet. So how could the name really change? It's like saying a recliner and a chair used to be different things. It's either intentionally deceitful or you need to learn the subject that you are speaking on instead of "feeling" like you're right.

>>41303869
>birth on the 8th of the 7th month
source for this? I was born on july 8, in the month of sirius rising.

>>41304614
It's not strange when you believe in Christ lol. We have been telling you retards forever that they are the synagogue of satan. Telling you satanists are "taking over". "Satanic panic" lol those crazy Christians! We told you they practice idolatry. We told you islam was satanic. We told you muslims want to destroy christian nations, white nations. Christcucks! We told you to repent and seek god. We told you to accept jesus. Now you will have to settle for whatever the coalition of Catholic, Muslim, and Jewish satanists want. We told you "god hates fags" and that America was becoming satanic. Repent retards. You were told everything, and you even still actively deny it while watching it happen exactly as you were told. Kassandra watches Troy burn.

>>41303713 (OP)
nah, betas turned mary into a feminist

>>41304656
im not sure why you're saying that to me. i know why they practice their Marian heresies, but it still looks strange when you encounter it. know what i mean?

>>41304656
you've figured it out, but there's one final psyop they're saving for the end. that is the difference between "Spirit" and heart

the kingdom of iron and clay, is the kingdom of "law" and the kingdom of "heart" combined

iron = law, because on the babylon statue, the iron legs was the roman kingdom. rome was where Jesus was crucified. the cross is symbolic of the law, and the 2 legs which are like 2 pillars represent the concept of "FOUNDATION", so it is most definitely law

clay = the heart. clay is moldable or malleable.

the feet which is the final kingdom of babylon is a mixture of iron and clay

the statue of liberty is a man (iron) dressed up as a woman (clay)

ironman, you see songs talking about it in bands like black sabbath, iron man the actual super hero. "iron man" mode in games like runescape where you "solo" the game basically

>>41304710

"the heart is desperately wicked, who can know it" scripture says

heart represents darkness or paradox, which is like "infinity" or freedom

>>41304708
I don't understand completely, but I'm retarded myself so fuck it.

>>41304710
iron

>>41303713 (OP)
Rare catholic W

>>41304811
i mean that the Bibles teaches us that the human heart is a factory for making idols. its part of our fallen nature - we want to worship something, and in our sin that desire is corrupted and means we end up worshiping all kinds of things instead of the one true God. Israel did this constantly all through the OT, and we are no different. The roman church, for whatever reason, as taken to elevating Mary to a totally unbiblical status, along with the saints. it comes from this same urge.

in that sense, its not strange to see people worshiping something other than God alone.

But, when you actually see it happening or read a book like the one i mentioned above, it always seems very odd...very alien to the Christianity of the Bible. in that sense its strange.

>>41303775
>holds back calamity
>BuT tHeY dOnT sOuNd HuMbLe!!1!
Tiresome.

>>41304710
It means the battle between good and evil. Evil will destroy the world and humanity. Good will destroy humanity. To maintain that balance is to maintain humanity. Too much good=higher populations, more food, more animals, more pollution, more uncontrollable outcomes. Too much evil=pollution, murder, rape, distancing from progress which can't be gained back easily, destruction, the deterioration of intelligence and order. The battle now is to keep humanity from devouring itself and it's progress. Iron and clay. If you seperate them you have a home and a weapon. If you leave them you must wander. If you wander you must fight. You cannot leave the iron and clay, it is necessary for life at this point. Technology and man are intertwined until death at this point. We have facilities that would destroy the entire ocean's ecosystem if left unmaintained. We are on an unstoppable path to destruction that hangs on a string that 90% of the population doesn't know exists. They rejected god, and now god is smiling back.
>good luck
There is no return now. All of us are injected with cancer at birth. All of the world's population is like flu season. It's going around, but in the end it will die out when suitable "hosts"(food water) die out. Then the people in the jungles and on the islands never knowing that any of us ever existed will continue on as God intended. Humble and deserving. Righteous. While we all perish for spitting into God's face and trying to build the tower of babel again and again. Reaching for the heavens with talons and fangs and tentacles. Hearts and minds they said. Beliefs and freedom they meant.

>>41304864
it's all allegorical
https://youtu.be/AzFgM67O8io?list=RDAzFgM67O8io

>>41303713 (OP)
Yes, gnosticism is a perversion of the gospels and the gnostic texts of nag hammadi are forgeries. Consider how serendipitous and statistically improbable their discovery was.

>>41304864
>we are no different
Speak for yourself. I have never ever in my life felt compelled to "worship" anything other than God. I don't pray to Jesus, unless Jesus was God and blah blah blah. God doesn't care if I'm a little confused on the details of who is who except knowing that God is God. Everything else is just demon spawn religion nonsense. Catholics etc are blasphemous pieces of shit. Just like soap cleans skin. If I had dirt on my arm and washed it off with soap would that be strange to you? Your mindset is fucking retarded. I just told you mother fucker... it's part of their of their religion to be blasphemous and satanic. Why the fuck are acting like "we all are"? Bot or satanic "intellectual" that doesn't realize his beliefs come from the same place as catholics etc.

>>41304924
you have no conception of your sinful state and you need Jesus

>>41304893

logos = the old way
logos + void = quantum or "quad" (black cube) self referencing logic

the logos + void being quantum logic gets defeated by the oldschool logos. the oldschool logos "leaves room" rather than self encloses and completes its loop

watch terminator 2, arnold is the old logos way of logic, represented by binary. the quantum guy or black cube "quadra" logic robot can morph into different crap and was fluid and changeable

logos wins, which is what the jews want, and the antichrist is what makes the logos win

what will this look like? deceptive is what it will look like. hes going to look totally like the good guy (antichrist)

>>41304365
this is why the majority of protestants are gonna be screwed, you keep talking shit about Christ's mother

>>41304969
>logos + void = quantum or "quad" (black cube) self referencing logic

so the with the logos winning, its like inverting the black cube "inside out", so instead of being trapped by it you're free, making it a gold cube. thats what is meant by "the clay" or freedom

>>41304962
Accepting Jesus into your heart and replacing God with Jesus are not the same.

>>41303775
>A lot of them basically state they are the only ones holding back calamity on the earth.
Yeah because Mary brings peace, goodness and mercy.

Ishtar is Venus.
Mary is Moon.
Mary, the Divine Mother, which is a lunar archetype.

>>41304991
disagreeing with heresy is not 'talking shit'. like the Bible says, i think Mary is called blessed forever - after all, she was chosen to be the mother of Christ. Of all people she was blessed with seeing God in the flesh live His life more than anyone else.

>>41305036
Jesus is God anon

>>41305044
disagreeing with the apostolic churches is text book heresy. rather than presume catholics have "turned" Mary into Ishtar, you should consider that entities have attempted to muscle into Mary's image to manipulate world events (see fatima)

>>41304969
Assuming "he" is one person. Caligula, Nero, Caeser, and Titus all fit the build. Many others do as well. Just as the word for a planet is just a label so is "the antichrist". It is many men with the same goal. Interchangeable, fluid. Masonry is the vehicle and Mason's the passengers.

>>41305049
Jesus is God in what religion? He is the son of God, God's only begotten son. He died for our sins while asking God to forgive us. I'm not Catholic or whatever fucking religion you are using to usurp Christianity. The trinity is catholic bullshit not Christian.

>>41305072
>I'm not Catholic or whatever fucking religion you are using to usurp Christianity

lol

>>41303713 (OP)
You got it the other way around, OP

>>41305053
they were archetypal, but there will be a final one near the end of the film reel

>>41305051
they called her Theotokos, which i firmly believe.
>you should consider that entities have attempted to muscle into Mary's image to manipulate world events (see fatima)
i believe that those evil entities have led the roman church astray in its utterly unbiblical Marian doctrines and practices.

>the Trinity is absolutely Biblical. He is the Word, Who was God and Who was with God; He made all things, and without Him was not one thing made....and He was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.

>>41305093
>i believe that those evil entities have led the roman church astray in its utterly unbiblical Marian doctrines and practices

half of the true religion references things that aren't in the Bible, there are many things that Christ did and said that are not written. God has placed this stumbling block to filter out many people.

>>41305091
No, they were by definition the antichrist according to scripture. It's not, "almost", it is in fact. Your belief that 1 man could defeat God is blasphemous satanic faggotry first off lol. If you led a group of people seeking to dominate would you tell everybody or tell them to look out for "1 dude"? You are almost smart as fuck bro, but something is holding you back. Likely your association with biblical as reality rather than a balance of lies and truth carefully constructed.

>>41305100
>there are many things that Christ did and said that are not written.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

i'll take my chance with just whats written.

>>41305109
>Your belief that 1 man could defeat God is blasphemous satanic faggotry

lmao who said that? XD

>If you led a group of people seeking to dominate would you tell everybody or tell them to look out for "1 dude"?

he's the "the little horn". mary had "a little lamb". he's going to be a son (sun). hes not going to be some ferocious scary man lol. in terminator 2, john connor is a boy, he represents antichrist

>You are almost smart as fuck bro

no, i have a decent "right brain" but i struggle to get over 97 i.q lmao. its not really about intellect, i believe in God and studying His Word has helped me to see things, and His Spirt allows/opens my eyes to stuff

>>41305153
what's written tells you is that there is much more and entrusted to Christ's apostles...

a biblical man would have realized this means he must search out these apostles.

>>41305175
no it doesn't say that. i know that what they tell you, since then whatever they say must be accepted, but thats not what it says.

>>41305160
>there will be a final one
One means individual, singular. The entire phrasing of it is based on deceit. The lie that a single antichrist will enslave humanity rather than antichristians will enslave humanity. Code cracked. Enemies revealed.

>>41305298

he doesnt enslave, people are tricked into thinking hes good, so they hand him power. some speculations i've read is that he gets forced too. the world might be in such a chaotic state the people beg for him

and he is good by worldly standards, the reason he's bad is that spiritual reality exists and when people die they go to hell, so he doesn't solve the actual existiential problem, just the worlds problem

he's the morning star...just the morning star
Jesus is THE BRIGHT morning star

its like when pharoahs magicians made their staff turn into 2 small snakes

Moses made a bigger more epic snake and it ate pharoahs ones

>>41305414
the devil is just "life"

Gods is "eternal life"

like God is bigger, more grand. compare heaven to earth

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts" - Isaiah 55:9 KJV

pharoahs (satans) power is just less. its still powerful, but its not the real deal

>>41303713 (OP)
there is literally nothing in Catholicism that goes against the bible, protestants simply don't know their faith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hEP5bBaIvs
>>41305072
the trinity is the absolute expression of God revealed and can be found even in the old testament
>>41304599
you have no idea what idolatry is, this is the core of Christianity that protties don't get. God is not competing in glory with any being because he is outside the genus of being like he present himself to Abraham i am the i am, the identity of identity, the purpose of Christianity is the transfiguration in the person of Christ which is the logos, the word made flesh, we are called to be part of this divinity in this the saints are called the intersection of the saints is in quite literally the purpose of Christianity
"Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him".

>>41305414
If it was simple to explain as you believe we would be agreeing. If you were right we would be agreeing. Christ is not a single person, nor the anti-christ a single person. Words are not what you think they are. They are labels as I have repeated. This not about belief at all. It is about you misunderstanding words, roots, and language. You are never going to understand if you don't understand the purpose of language. Is a wooden sitting device no longer wood and simply a chair because you call it that? Is Saturn not Satan because their names are different? You completely understand, you just fail to apply the same metric to all words. As if certain words actually aren't just labels while others are. The phoenician alphabet, greek, and latin are all the same. Saturn, Satan etc. have never changed nor meant anything different than what they do now. Anti-christ isn't some future person that will pop up and do all of this. It is people actively doing it as we speak while masquerading as good. Clinton foundation, how many missing Haitian kids? You either reject reality or maliciously twist it to distort it so others can't see. Either way you are absolutely incorrect and continuing the conversation will be fruitless for both of us. I can only recommend studying the origin of language and it's purpose. >Gamma, Theta, Tau, Waw
>GOTY
>Gamma, Theta, Alpha, Tau
>GOAT
>Gamma, Theta, Tau
>GOT
The letter Y also represents the 2 paths one may take in life, good and evil. Pythagora's path. Wotlrds are labels. Letters hold the true meaning of words, and the letters you mentioned do not apply to any single individual, but a group of individuals. Language is the label of religion. It is not the definition of it. Wish you the best.

>>41305558
I'm not even going to talk to a faggot that disagrees that Catholics practice idolatry. Dumbass youtube rainbow pastor wannabe.

>>41305208
>I am a BIBLE BELIEVER
>NO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT

yea ok. faith and works btw

>>41303970
>>41303990
I like one about farting (queefing?) on their husband's lap.

>>41305558
>>41305625
Me again. Logos is satanic. It's hebrew bullshit. All hebrew teachings were made null by Christ you fucking idiot. So 99% of what you say hasn't ever been relevant to Christians. Take your Jewish bullshit sonewhere else.

>>41305652
???

Didn't Christ say something about not one jot of the law being nullified?

>>41305652

whoa man, logos isnt satanic. logos WITHOUT Christ brings condemnation, so it sentences you to death. the law is actually GOOD though. careful my bro

>>41305625
>>41305652
>everything i don't like is [stuff]
It's so easy for your faggs just trowing words as if they didn't had a meaning prior, it's why schizos are so tiresome

>>41305640
rome wants you to think that those verses are saying theres some other teachings that we handed down which are not recorded in scripture. In reality, each of them is refering to the teachings which are also recorded in scripture. its really that simple.

take a good look at the verses you have in mind. what i said is the case in every example.

>>41305616
>Wish you the best.

thanks man, u2. we may be at opposite ends of the world, but we understand each other

>>41305686
>>41305684
>>41305662
Logos started being taught after the rise of protestants and zionism. You idiots are following jewish christians, not the teachings of Christ. To the one guy, why the fuck would Christ uphold the laws of the synagogue of Satan? Are you all literal retards? Logos is semitic hebrew bullshit. I never even heard of that shit until I went to a major nationwide church that supports zionism. You guys are just repeating what somebody else said and pretending you have a relationship with God. Good game, I'm out.

>>41305690
circular reasoning. Christ left a church and left authority to His apostles. if your church has nothing to do with these apostles, it is a church, but not Christ's. simple as.

>>41305710

logos = the law anon

>>41305732

ill clarify for you

logos can mean the following:

1. The Word of God
2. The Law (the 2 great commands, OR the 10 commandments, OR the subsequent 618? 619 sub/smaller commandments)
3. Trifold Logic (e.g past/present/future, correct/wrong/undecided)

it also has loose connotations to other trifold logic methods such as the trivium etc

>>41305725
I believe that it is Rome that has departed from the faith once handed down, since a lot of what it teaches, especially the Marian doctrines which are the context of this thread, are simply not part of the written record. There is no secret oral tradition which is so different and alien from the written record that God has preserved for us.

There is, for example, an unbroken record throughout the entire Bible of people only praying to God. They all just prayed to God. The book of Psalms are prayers to God. The prophets all prayed only to God. Everyone in the NT only prayed to God. Jesus taught that we should pray to God. Jesus prayed to God. the apostles prayed only to God. Stephen, while being stoned to death, prayed to God. Again and again we are told to pray to God, that He will help us, forgive us, guide us and so on. But no, the romans tells us, actually there was an oral-only tradition of praying to Mary and to other dead Christians all along, and thats what you should be doing too and, if you dont, you are 'talking shit' about them.

No, thats not true. its just not there. theres no sign of it, not a whisper. its wrong.

>>41305796

oh, and duality. dualism and trifold logic is closely intertwined

>>41305796
>>41305815
All of which is not Christian and is rooted in judaism/canaanite cults. Go back to your synagogue.

>>41305832

dude, The Bible literally created reality. God spoke it into existence. logos is just talking about the foundation of reality (THE WORD)

>>41304627
The ancients talked about tables and chairs and beds and couches but you're here telling me "well it's all the same because it's furniture". Moderns invent categories that are intended to reduce meaningful differences.

>>41303713 (OP)
Getting that the new and old testaments are books of different gods is understanding Christianity 101. The two preach against each other so viciously the only reason they are together at all is Rome more or less rewriting the old to make a politically useful state religion. Normie Christianity implodes under any real scrutiny the two preach completely opposing things if Christians actually understood anything their religion preached Christianity as it is would collapse period

Catholics always adopt local customs into heirarchy.
>old testament
Awful nasty stuff, animal sacrifice, genocide, bronze age shit same as the other bronze age pagans
>new testament
Plagiarize greek philosophy + kooky jews scream about world end bc they lost a war

>>41305832
>not Christian
>rooted in judaism/canaanite cults

Most ironic statement.

>>41303713 (OP)
reaching pretty hard