Thread 41304749

How does praying for yourself or someone else work? Why not pray for everyone on earth instead of a specific person? What about the problem of evil and divine hiddeness? What about all the people who's prayers don't come true? All the babies who get blown up and stuff

>>41304749 (OP)
Praying doesn't do anything and never has. Yahweh can only be compelled to act by animal sacrifice. Christians know this, which is why when they say "I'll pray four you" it really means "Go fuck yourself."

>>41304749 (OP)
Also what about free will and God being super concerned about not violating anyone's free will

>>41304758
Makes sense, explains why he doesn't answer my prayers since I'm vegan

He also really seems to like child sacrifice

>>41304749 (OP)
Prayer is just Law of Attraction for the superstitious.
And Law of Attraction is just simplified Chaos Magic for the layman.

>>41304869
Problem with law of attraction is it seems like it only makes sense if solipsism or semi solipsism is true or free will doesn't exist

>>41304749 (OP)
It does something in a parallel dimension to this lower 3d reality. After a prayer a change is made in Heaven, this changes the lower level 3d reality.

>>41305119
multiverse?
What changes?
What about free will not being violated? What about solipsism being false? What about the problem of evil and divine hiddeness? What if two different people pray for contradictory things?

>>41304749 (OP)
Most people have no results with praying because they ask God to give them something that is not from God, He doesn't like it. Materialistic and similar things that are from Satan.
This is why God doesn't give them what they ask for. And so they wrongly conclude it doesn't work.
More often than not people pray for money, winning the lottery (gambling sin), having hot sex partners (sin), having big houses, big cars, worldly power positions, the death of other humans etc. These are all from Satan. Of course, God will not assist you in your sinning attempts for a good reason.

If you pray for health, better human relationships, higher spiritual advancements. It will work a lot more often than what probability would suggest. Obviously you have to pay for important goals more often with more desire. If you are on the path of sainthood or becoming like Jesus (no sex, no meat, no alcohol, no evil deeds etc), more of your prayers will be met. This is why religious people ask saints to pray for them. Their prayers are almost always successful.

All prayers are heard and received. Keep on trying. Change the wording of your prayers. Pray with good intent.

Praying for health recovery that stems from glutteny, alcohol, drugs, coffee, sex and other sins by a not so actively religious person with shallow faith in God and Jesus for selfish reasons won't be that effective. But if you fast, you are determined to change your ways, you have strong faith, you pray for the goal 3 times per day, and you want to achieve it for good purposes like becoming healthy again to be able to help others, it will work. Especially when a group of Christians pray for the same thing.


Another way of enhancing the effectiveness of your prayers is to offer someghing to God. For example, you promise him that in return for your health recovery, you will advertise Christianity to atheists, posting Christian memes on 4ch. Then you will experience more success.

>>41304749 (OP)
If you can go to alpha, theta, delta brainwave levels and remain conscious and you pray, prayers will change reality instantly. This is a big secret of advanced level Christianity. This is what Jesus means when he says that in order to access Heaven (even right now on Earth), you have to become like children. Children operate on the alpha, theta, delta brainwave levels.

Use the Silva brain training method to achieve these states of mind. It was created by Christians. Videos are online. Courses are available and free for those who struggle financially.

>>41305136
God, Jesus, angels are not likely to help you if you do not ask them for specific help in a detailed way as that could violate your freewill if they intervened without you consent.

Certain difficulties in your life are present because these are lessons for you. But if you contact God, Jesus, angels in prayers and you tell them you do not want this lesson or you do not have the capacity to deal with it, they will remove the problem. Pray more often if one prayer was not enough. God likes good, faithful people, he is very motivated to help them and keep them out of trouble.

Invisible things happen when you pray. This changes your reality or the outcomes of events.

>>41305206
I pray for against malaria foundation to have their funding gap closed, doesn't happen and God doesn't give me money to do it myself

>>41305422
Just before the apocalypse, it is better for some people to die as they would not survive anyway or they would take the mark of the beast offered by the antichrist, jfk jr.

Children under 12 will be lifted out alive before the 7 years of apocalypse starts to move them out of danger.

Malaria and other infectious diseases are curses, parasites, attacks from demons and iccult satanic/luciferian 'elites' and societies, they cannot hurt deeply religious and clean people who detox through fasting. These are demons taking on the form of an infectious disease.

The Malaria pathogen is killed by the herb called wormwood. Lots of Africans have known this since forever and they use it to successfully heal themselves but this info never enters the media. Except the Bible where wormwood is mentioned in the End Times chapter, in the Revelations chapter specifically because it heals malaria and similar infectious disease pathogens during the end times too.


Lots of charities and foundations are scams. The help never reaches the African people in need. Friends from Africa and in Africa confirmed this to me.

Malaria pharma vaxes and meds are satanic laced with poisons that ruin the soul and they are often hexed, vexed, cursed with occult satanic spells. I would never give these to anyone.

You should pray for their healing instead.

Maybe God doesn't want to help Bill Gates with his diabolic vax 'charity' projects in Africa.

Some people agreed to suffering and illnesses before they were born or during their lives subconsciously as it increases their power level spiritually and enhances their chances of ascending to Heaven. See how much Jesus suffered to max out his powers. But if they want to change this, they have to pray for it.

>>41305422
I would avoid working through these charities as they are often profit oriented or they are business outlets for big pharma businesses who are discouraged from natural, non-satanic medicines that anyone can grow free -> no profit for pharma companies and malaria charities.

Instead of praying for money, you can spread the wormwood solution on social media for Africans. For example, through Christian fb groups for Africans or by emailing this info to them. A lot of Africans speak English or French as they were colonies. With a nice copy-pasta and informative images or memes. Ten emails per day to different churches in Africa can build up a serious momentum. Tell them to pass this info to their friends and communities. And then it will spread on its own to even more people.

Ask God and Jesus in daily prayers to help you with this project.

https://youtu.be/bXY3Qyq7rEM

This guy is an occultist and a chi kung master for +30 years, in this video he explain very well the process of prayer in this and in the other planes.
I hope it helps.

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>>41305758
sound like epic retarded coping about a god that may be fake, evil, not almighty or that simply isn't there.

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>>41305706
Can you explain why mosquito bed nets are bad and ineffective? Do you have randomized controlled trials?
>>41305834
Or just doesn't answer prayers or perform miracles

>>41304749 (OP)
Prayer is enhanced by:
True repentance
Group Prayer
Fasting
Sexual abstinence
Seeking the glory of God

>>41305895
Try to live 30% of your live in mosquito tents. Mosquito tents are not 100% secure. In a lot of forest areas, mosquitos are active during the day too. Lots of plants act as mosquito repellents that is how plants keep away insects from eating them. They just have to rub these plants on their skin and clothes. Africans knew this before but they stopped using it just like humans on other continents.

The right healing plants are always in the area where the disease is. It is by intelligent design by God. In fact, every human has the right healing plants growing in their gardens, or in their very local immediate area that would heal their specific disease. Look up natural herbal remedies to your illness, you will find the exact plant in your garden. This is magic by God. To prove you He is real.

When you want to help someone with prayers always focus on the end goal, not on one particular solution. You want to end malaria. Pray for this rather than for specific money amounts, donations for specific charities.

Good news is, mosquitos won't survive the apocalypse as a species. Both God and the legion of satan had enough of them. Imagine the mosquitos infecting the workers of satan with the same illness pathogen satan and his minions created against innocent humans. In the past, blood sucking mosquitos didn't exist. They came into existence after humanity started to fall through sin thereby creating a fallen world.

>>41304749 (OP)

the blue ones represent soul and spirit. both are non physical and invisible. when you pray you are entering that non physical invisible realm and asking God for aid

>>41306041
That doesn't answer my questions though. What's he going to do to enact the changes you wish for? Give you or the person you're praying for new ideas?

>>41306041

there's also a specific structure to prayer. Jesus is "the bridge" back to The Father, that's why you say prayers in his name. the Lords prayer is the model prayer, but its a template of what a prayer should be like. putting Gods will first and Gods glory before yours

>>41306030
Even if they're not secure the mosquitoes die when they land on them because of the insecticides.
It's better to just get bitten during the day then bitten day and night right?

If I injure my neck tomorrow will God spawn new plants in my backyard? If he can and will do that then why can't he stop children from being blown up?

>>41306055

God doesn't really indulge selfish prayers, unless you put his will first. so if you're not getting anything thats the reason why. also "he resist the proud", so if you go into a prayer arogantly, dont expect to be answered. "he gives grace to the humble". go into prayer humbly, not with this "oh fooey pooey" angry attitude asking if he exists or not. that likely wont get an answer

>>41306071

also The Bible says everything that you are, is like an open book to him. so he knows if you're being sincere or not. dont try to fool God, because he sees right through you

>>41306055
Giving someone new ideas or a change of heart isn't hard. People minds receive external (spiritual) influences all the time.
This is known too in non christian environments. Meditation practitioners know all the things that assault the mind when you try to stop thinking for a while. Magickians evoke an entity and are told information they wouldn't know naturally.

>>41306002
This.
Do the repent exercise when you have problems, illnesses, you need help. Demons create problems for you because you sinned. Sin creates a debt towards demons/Satan. They collect debt by causing you sufferring as they enjoy suffering energies, negative emotions. This is their food, the so called loosh. God allows them to do this as it is training for you to stop sinning.
But if you do the repent exercise every day, you reduce your sins and debts to zero every day. While Jesus pays it off then. It's like He pays off your karma credit card debt. Problems, bad events will stop.

This is the reason why Jesus is called redeemer/saviour. He clears your sins/debts/bad karma. No other religion offers you this solution. It's a VIP ticket. Why do you think He is this popular? Most people don't want to follow him for real and live like Him, that's too hard. They love Him because no matter how many f...ed up things they have done, this clears their bad karma to zero. Jesus gives them a free flight ticket to Heaven no matter how many times they lied, killed, had alcohol, drugs etc in their lives. If they repent they go to Heaven. Do the repent exercise every day, the same way you wash your hands and shower every day.

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>>41306071
This seems non falsifiable
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>>41306099
Sure but I don't see how this is compatible with divine hiddeness, free will and various theodicies

>>41306055

the form in which a prayer might be answered, might be in the form of ideas, it could also be with synchronistic events

God is a spirit, and "spirit" is distributed throughout the atmosphere. the way God might communicate with you might be through multiple forms. the symbolism of an animal, a situation at a job, a relationship. all these things emanate "spirit". like the relationship you have with your father in a way can reflect characteristics or qualities of God. the same with how you deal with authority. as i said, its distributed. the primary method of direct communication will be through "His Word". the more you read His Word, the more power you give The Holy Spirit to communicate with you and help you to see and notice things

>>41306030
>The right healing plants are always in the area where the disease is. It is by intelligent design by God. In fact, every human has the right healing plants growing in their gardens, or in their very local immediate area that would heal their specific disease. Look up natural herbal remedies to your illness, you will find the exact plant in your garden. This is magic by God. To prove you He is real.
lmao, the classic "if the surgeon gets it, is a miracle of god, if not, is his fault". unironically get real, clown.

>>41306124
Well someone could murder a bunch of other non Christian people and those people he murdered would all go to hell and they would've died young and not gotten extra chances of repent and become Christian and avoid hell. Unless you're a universalist?

This doesn't seem fair to the victims.

There have been multiple studies on this

tl;dr it doesn't work

>>41306128
Presenting you a choice or inducing you a certain sentiment isn't making the choice for you.
An artist induces all kind of feelings on their public without controlling them

>>41306136

the devil is also a spirit and he is described in multiple ways...as satan, a serpent, a dragon, a snake, a most beautiful angel of light. these are symbols that capture his essence. that is a way or form in which spirit can communicate

>>41306136
>symbolism of an animal, a situation at a job, a relationship. all these things emanate "spirit". like the relationship you have with your father in a way can reflect characteristics or qualities of God. the same with how you deal with authority. as i said, its distributed. the primary method of direct communication will be through "His Word". the more you read His Word, the more power you give The Holy Spirit to communicate with you and help you to see and notice things

What about that animals interests and autonomy? I don't know if animals other then humans have free will or if human babies have it but God mind controlling them and making them perform for you doesn't seem right regardless.
>A situation at a job, a relationship

But this still seems so vague what about those other people? Don't they have a right to free will? What about God remaining hidden?

>>41306153
>An artist induces all kind of feelings on their public without controlling them
The schizo theories are real except when they're not convenient. That's a new pathetic low.

>you have a trouble
>you have "faith" or pretrained in "god-angels-prayer stuff" basic with allowed ignorance
>you praying, message sent.
>message received because its the same physical basis as u asking your boss for a day off because u want to play GTA 6 but in that case this doesnt work, u cant pray for as stupid stuff or try to deceive because prayer recipient just "knows"
>decision made to "answer" or not depends of what you asking.
>material stuff low priority because "da fuck", well being (health, psycho) stuff mid because "why not", spiritual stuff high because "pal is moving narrow path" (which means gtfo from a civilised animal state current world in".) Noticeable miracles are rare.
>actions in place, you probably wont notice shit, maybe you will, thats not the point.
>you keep living probably forget about everything before another "trouble".
>You have a trouble...

>>41306147
this would only happen if God gives the murderer enough lifespan, key events in his life to reflect and a heart to repent and seek God.
While most times thugs and criminals have short lives and sudden deaths in their criminal environment

>>41306148
Sure but they'll say
>You shall not test the Lord they God

Etc etc
It's non falsifiable.
>>41306153
Sure but this intervention by God seems extremely rare for some inexplicable reason. People are incredibly incredibly predictable and mostly or maybe entirely a product of genes and environment and stuff.

>>41306175
Isn't this an argument for killing young people? Kill them so they go to heaven and don't get a chance to live a long evil life? Unless you believe in reincarnation? But that's not in scripture

>>41306168
>"Every mundane and man made thing that is good and made with effort is le miracle of god".
>"Every bad thing that happens is that person's fault or just a mundane act because 'insert some kind of coping like free will here' or something, idk".
Like pottery.

>>41305234
what did you change?

>>41306166
ultimately you are the one making your choices between the options that are presented at you in life. You don't choose what options can be available as the world is beyond your control but you choose between those options.
You could argue that many people are too low IQ and have such a weak personal will aka NPCs that it's practically impossible for them to think and make choices properly and these are the ones that are effectively controlled by the elites blahblahblah

>>41304779
>I'm vegan
Just do crack or meth. You'll be less insane.
https://youtu.be/NvIJTj9rsGg
That's the long-term effects of veganism.

>>41306182
>god let hundreds or thousands of hospital prayers from faithful christians unanswered just because he felt offended someone was monitoring it

lol

itt: epic christian coping

>>41306189
Everything we have on Earth now is made by humans

The "God" of religions too.

>>41306186
Christianity isn't utilitarian. You kill someone and they go to heaven doesn't make their murder a good thing, you still sinned and would go to hell.
The jews that conspired to kill Christ and his apostles are likely in hell

>>41306203
Most flat earthers are religious and eat meat? Lots of flat earthers are Christian
Most vegans aren't flat earthers. That's one annedote I can point to others who've been vegan for decades who seem normal and healthy

>>41306182
>Sure but this intervention by God seems extremely rare for some inexplicable reason.
because most people are not part of the elect (saints) and stray away from God. That's why traditionally the churches spend a lot of time praying for the conversion of others and working with missionaries
'“For many are called, but few are chosen.”'
Matthew 22:14

>>41306205
Well he seems to have a strong interest in remaining hidden, not being offended
>>41306218
You could say sorry afterwards. Maybe it should be a bit more utilitarian? Why should I not lie about how many cookies I ate yesterday if It prevents a million babies from being tortured forever?

>>41304749 (OP)
Prayer is manifestation. It's a law of the universe. Whatever you focus your mental energy into praying for, when you speak it out loud and ask for it or pray for it you speak it into existence. Whatever you truly desire in your heart, the universe makes it a reality.

All of us have guides, spirit guides, guardian angels. Most of us will become spirit guides when we die because our karmic/reincarnation cycle will be complete. We're all guides in training which is why we're here. Coming to earth as a human is like spirit-guide training camp. Even before you pray, your guides know your thoughts. They're your guide, they know everything about your life because they're the ones pulling all the strings and doing all the spiritual footwork for you. Our guides work with each other and a lot of times our guides are the ones who will put certain desires in our hearts or make certain things come to pass to keep us on track. When you pray, your guide already knows what's going on.

There is no Godhead. The ultimate God or Source is energy. It doesn't speak or see or judge. It's like water. Does water judge souls? Does water condemn? Does water hear your prayers? No. It's just energy, light, love. Your thoughts create your desires and whatever you truly desire in your heart the universe slowly starts to create that reality. But you gotta remember, a lot of times your guides are the ones putting the desires in your hearts.

>>41306239
What someone does or doesn't believe is massively massively a product of things outside their control like who their parents are and everything that goes along with that, I think there's lots of serious issues with putting so much emphasis on whether or not someone believes Jesus rose from the dead or God exists, virtous atheists exist

>>41306259
>The ultimate God or Source is energy.
Yup
Chaos

>>41306244
>You could say sorry afterwards
or you could die next day by appendicitis or an explosive diarrhea and go to hell. You don't know

>>41306239
>elect

The bible admits predestination and that salvation isn't a human choice but the whim of the jewish god

yet it's all your fault if you don't get saved anyway lol

>>41306268
You start on the assumption that salvation is owed to us by God. It's not.

>>41305206
>Most people have no results with praying because they ask God to give them something that is not from God, He doesn't like it. Materialistic and similar things that are from Satan.
>This is why God doesn't give them what they ask for. And so they wrongly conclude it doesn't work.
>More often than not people pray for money, winning the lottery (gambling sin), having hot sex partners (sin), having big houses, big cars, worldly power positions, the death of other humans etc. These are all from Satan. Of course, God will not assist you in your sinning attempts for a good reason.
Overall pretty good post. There's some verses in one of the prophets that follows this reasoning quite closely.

>>41305758
You write that prayer doesn't work because you pray for the wrong thing. But don't you make the same mistake when you assume that wormwood is some type of cure-all for African diseases?
Surely God knows the best healing remedy.

>>41306147
Yes, a Christian who murdered non-Christians will go to Heaven while his non-Christian victims go to hell. That is how powerful the repentance exercise and Jesus is. Why do you think people love Him this much? Because He was a friendly, good character in a story? No. Because He saves them from hell! No matter how many people they killed. That is how powerful He is.

Yes, even child murderers got into Heaven through Him. And even the cleanest, best goodwill super benevolent yogi and monk guys in Tibet, or muslim countries and India still go to Hell. All of them if they don't repent. It doesn't matter what other religions they believe in, they still end in hell. No one escapes hell except through Jesus and repenting. This is your ticket to Heaven too if you do the repent exercise at least once in your life.

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>>41306279
I don't think this is an issue if universalism is true and he eventually saves everyone
>>41306280
I'm not convinced of dessert morality. You start on the presupposition that it isn't. I believe an all good God would save everyone

>>41306279
yes, because you're choosing to post against Him on 4chan dot org instead of using your time to pray and ask to experience Him

>>41306289
Well, you're wrong.

>>41306280
If we also assume that the whole mess around us and the very situation in which he is unable to open up to us is his fault, then yes.

>>41306286
Why can't you do the repent exercise after death?

>>41306295
Proof?
Have you read the Bible in greek or just English translations made by people with an infernalist agenda

>>41306308
the early church didn't believe in universalism

>>41306280
It is. Nobody asked to exist lmao. We don't control the variables but he does according to your religion. All the adoration but doesn't want any of the responsibility

Stop normalizing jewish spiritual abuse.

>>41306317
I'm not convinced scripture supports the papacy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TG6pnAjHX1k

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zBgMPH5TUGU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z7zwIN8vEkA

>>41306286
>empathy doesn't exist
>morality doesn't exist
>your victims don't matter
>just stroke the ego of the cosmic jew and you'll get in heaven

no wonder narcissists love this shit

>>41306329
Yeah but annihilationism can kind of get around this, you can't really complain about not existing instead of not existing like you could for hell instead of not existing.
You could also consent to being incarnated but I don't know why I would

>>41306342
even if the bishop of Rome didn't have the primacy among bishops he claims, the collective group of bishops that compiled the Bible rejected universalism pretty early

>>41306352
How is that not just an appeal to authority? Because they compiled it they're able to interpret it infallibly?

>>41306370
how do you even know the bible are the holy books if you don't even trust its origin?

>>41306268
Choices are always given. This is why literally everyone on Earth right now heard of Jesus, no matter where they live. God organises their lives in a way that this information/offer is shown to them or communicated to them at least once in their lives in a Jesus movie at Christmas, by a Christian friend, or by posters on 4chan, by someone who visited a western Christian country. If they reject Jesus/God in their mind or heart at that moment, they go to hell. Unless they change their mind at another time when this info is presented to them if it is presented to them another time at all.
This is done so that they cannot claim they have never heard of this when they stand before judgement after their death.

For some of you who have not done the repent exercise that was posted here, during your judgement hearing, the devil who is an attorney prosecutor will say: "Anon, you read these posts on that /x/ thread about repenting. Why didn't you do it?"
No matter what you say, blah blah, busy, didn't look serious.
God and Jesus the judge will say: "Anon goes to hell then. Case closed."
Then that human will be sent to hell.

Or if you were intelligent enough to spend 20 seconds on doing the repent exercise at least once in your life, the angels will say as your defenders that: " Oh, anon did the repent exercise on posted on /x/ on that Saturday in October 2025."
Jesus and God as the judges will say: " Case is closed. Anon may now enter Heaven. Next human soul up for judgement, please."

>>41306390
I don't believe in scriptural inerrancy I think there's contradictions and stuff,
The evidence it'd be holy would be corroboration from other historical sources, modern day miracles, or people personally reading the Bible and liking the way it makes them feel

>>41306290
Again it is not your choice

Read your own bible

>>41306394
There's people on earth now who have not heard of him like the sentinelese, and historically there's been lots of peoples who haven't like the aboriginalese, the Americas etc

>>41306419
I do

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>>41306394
The other issue is
If someone hasn't heard of Christianity there entire life
Will they go to hell? If yes that's absurd
If they won't go to hell then why tell them about it and put their soul at risk?

>>41306439
thus why the church always spend efforts to reach other cultures

>>41306455
so all the people who died in all of human history went to hell just because they didn't hear about your jewish cult lol. absurd.

>>41306443
I am extremely confident scriptural inerrancy is false.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe1tMOs8ARn3Uy9dvxyqhBvEldBgkqtN5

Were I to be a Christian, I would not be an inerrantist. I think the case against inerrancy is about as convincing as the case is for anything. The Bible is filled with bits that look like obvious errors. For instance, Genesis 4 and 5 have related but contradictory genealogies.

Genesis 19 tells the story of Lot having [incestuous sex with his daughters, who then gave birth to what ultimately became the enemy nations](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019&version=NIV) of Israel. It’s obviously far more likely that the Israelites would make up mean stories about how their enemies got there than that a single act of incest with two daughters would result in two pregnancies, which then founds two separate enemy nations.

In Exodus 3:6 God says “And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El Shaddai, but I did not make myself known to them by my name [Tetragrammaton].” However, in Genesis, God was known by the Tetragrammaton. The modern scholarly view of the Torah—which claims different stories got fused together—has quite an easy explanation of these facts. However, inerrancy does not.

>>41306480
The book of Joshua is dedicated almost entirely to discussing the glory of the conquests by which the Israelites conquered and pillaged with little regard for innocent people. Joshua 6 describes what happened after they conquered Jericho:

24 Then they burned the whole city and everything in it, but they put the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron into the treasury of the Lord’s house. 25 But Joshua spared Rahab the prostitute, with her family and all who belonged to her, because she hid the men Joshua had sent as spies to Jericho—and she lives among the Israelites to this day.

Joshua 8 describes similar brutality after conquering Ai:

24 When Israel had finished killing all the men of Ai in the fields and in the wilderness where they had chased them, and when every one of them had been put to the sword, all the Israelites returned to Ai and killed those who were in it. 25 Twelve thousand men and women fell that day—all the people of Ai. 26 For Joshua did not draw back the hand that held out his javelin until he had destroyed [ [a](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua%208&version=NIV#fen-NIV-6029a) ] all who lived in Ai. 27 But Israel did carry off for themselves the livestock and plunder of this city, as the Lord had instructed Joshua.

One can, of course, cook up elaborate justifications for Israeli conquest. But the ubiquity of the conquest combined with its alleged divine sanction makes this quite hard to swallow. The odds primitive militaristic Israelites would think God loved it when they conquered are much higher than the odds that God actually would love it when they conquer and senselessly murder women and children. Almost everyone thinks the gods approve of their sieges and conquests.

>>41306286
Christian spiritual derangement:
>christians can do the most absolute evil deeds possible
>go to heaven bc jesus
>can be good, kind, loving person
>STRAIGHT TO HELL

lol u are completely insane, im glad i wont go to your "heaven" full of christian child murderers and jewish incels. In fact, these claims you are making proves to me your "god" deserves to be disrespected.

>>41306345
Yes, christianity is an evil and manipulative cult
>most evil people on planet go to heaven as long as they are in christian cult
>good people in hell if not in christian cult
>evil is good and good is evil
>dont agree, ur gonna get tortured

Bible is 100% false btw

Also all christian prophecies throughout history are always false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Christian_religious_predictions

This means what religious Christians believe is likely to be always wrong. The evidence every year piles up that Christianity is false. Every year more and more people leave the religious cults, and Christianity becomes confined to the shittiest parts of the planet.
Christians behaviorally autoselect for poverty, sickness, moral hypocrisy, and death. People will leave the churches, and the Christians will increase end times fear mongering as a cope.

Stop threatening people with torture because they dont want to be sick and miserable with you.

>>41306485
>>41306480
Not only is Joshua morally objectionable, it’s also [factually doubtful](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Jericho#Academic_consensus) . The dominant historical view is that it was written long after the events it purports to describe, and was primarily fiction. In particular, archaeology [seems to put pressure](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniel-Browning-Jr/publication/338633396_The_Hill_Country_is_Not_Enough_for_Us_Recent_Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Joshua_Southwestern_Journal_of_Theology_411/links/5e20add6a6fdcc10156f7808/The-Hill-Country-is-Not-Enough-for-Us-Recent-Archaeology-and-the-Book-of-Joshua-Southwestern-Journal-of-Theology-411.pdf) on the claims made in Joshua.

As James Kugel [explains well](https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Read-Bible-Guide-Scripture/dp/0743235878) , nearly all of the Bible is better explained as primitive mythmaking than recording actual history. It’s not just the early books. The Psalms—the music of the Bible—often contains passages [like this one](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%20137%3A8-9&version=AMP) (talking about Babylonian babies):

How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.

Or look at Isaiah, and its routine and violent fulminations against Israel’s enemies. Talking about the Babylonians, for instance, [it says](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2013&version=KJV) :

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

…

15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

>>41306492
17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

Isaiah 49:26 contains the delightful sentiment:

I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh; they will be drunk on their own blood, as with wine. Then all mankind will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior, your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.

It’s not hard to find passages like this. The Hebrew Bible is filled with obviously morally objectionable sentiments. One can find things that seem like errors on almost every page. A sizeable portion of the Bible is dedicated to either gloating about past conquest or hypothetical future conquest.

This will obviously be evidence against Christianity. If the Bible were extremely wise, just, and temperate throughout, that would raise the odds of Christianity, so the fact that it’s run through with errors is evidence against it. The Bible—certainly the Hebrew Bible—looks much more like what a non-Christian familiar with its contents would expect than what a Christian would.

>>41306473
even in the isolated circumstances people still spend their lives lying, stealing, raping, killing, human sacrifice by cultures like the Aztec and the Shang chinese. This is what condemned them.

>>41306497
More troublingly, Jesus seemed to have a high view of scripture. John 10:35 [asserts](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2010&version=KJV) “scripture cannot be broken.” In [Matthew 5:17-18](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A17-18&version=NIV) , Jesus notes that he has “not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” He claims “until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” Jesus seems to repeatedly take scripture to be authoritative as people at his time did. Thus, Jesus seems to have had a much higher view of scripture than is correct. Jesus seemed to believe the Bible was without error, but it’s plainly not.

Now, one can, of course, posit that he was exaggerating the veracity of scripture to fit into the surrounding culture. But it’s much more natural to suppose instead that he was simply mistaken about scripture, and that Christianity is false. Making excuses for false statements is always a cost. If Jesus isn’t God, given the surrounding context, we’d expect Jesus to have a high view of scripture. If he is, him viewing scripture as highly as he does is extremely surprising.

>>41306480
why would I care about the opinion of atheist scholars?

>>41306499
What about cultures like the Jains?
Ths Christian God seems to have no problem with circumcising babies and sacrificing animals

>>41306499
What does that have to do with the argument?

Your salvation condition is hinged on hearing and believing some rabbi.

Billions of people were never given the opportunity to do so by your deitys wisdom lol

>>41306508
The first YouTube playlist I linked is from a Christian.

Because as hominems are a logical fallacy? The author of that article is a theist but not a Christian

>>41306298
Hell is full of humans who heard they should have done the repent exercise in their life. Their only wish is that they can come to Earth back again for 10 seconds so that they can quickly say it. They are told x, y, z friends of theirs is in Heaven because he/she did the repent exercise. They start crying. They ask demons, beg demons to tell their still living relatives they have to repent to avoid hell. Demons won't do that for them.

They can't repent when they are in hell already.

God and Jesus wants you to believe in them and do the necessary steps (repenting) without ever having seen any evidence of their existence. It's a test. You think it is about seeing and then believing. No. It's about believing then you see it.

Hell is real anons. As real as Earth to you right now. Even in ancient legends, stories, accounts from the pre-Jesus era, you can read that humans almost all of them go to hell/hades or whatever name that culture used for that place.

Read Odyssea, for example. When Odysseus wants to talk with his dead mother. They go to an entrance of hell, a cave. There are lots of these everywhere on Earth. So he has to ask something from his dead mother, he goes to the entrance, after sacrificing a goat to the demons/lords of the fiery underground world (who love this loosh), they allow him to talk to his mother for a few minutes. His mother comes to the hole burning in fire her entire body and she says a few words in an answer and then that's it, back to hell for her.

So these ancient legends, stories which are often based on true stories write about a place exactly like hell. They all ended up there. Except for some pre-Jesus believers who did the repenting but they used the name future messiah as they didn't know He would be called Jesus. Noah is in Heaven even though he died thousands of years before Jesus as he was part of a religious group before the flood that knew that they have to repent, the future messiah will pay for their sins.

>>41306508
>I only consume cult materials
>everyone else is eviiiiilllll

in some other life you'd be drinking kool aid rn

>>41306517
you're condemned by those kind of acts. Even if you didn't know christianity everyone has a natural aversion to murder and stealing, thus still committing a sin.
>>41306513
I don't care about animals

>>41306520
an """universalist christian""""
and you speak like an atheist

>>41306526
Hell isn't real because biblical Heaven isn't real.

We shot rockets up in the sky and your firmament and kingdom of heaven was nowhere to be found

It's all bullshit

>>41306526
>So he has to ask something from his dead mother, he goes to the entrance, after sacrificing a goat to the demons/lords of the fiery underground world (who love this loosh), they allow him to talk to his mother for a few minutes. His mother comes to the hole burning in fire her entire body and she says a few words in an answer and then that's it, back to hell for her.

That's funny, your God also loves animal sacrifice and your prophet killed lots of pigs

>>41306531
Why are you dodging the question

You can only be saved by believing a jewish cult

BILLIONS of people never had the chance of hearing about it throughout history. They just went to hell unfairly for no reason.

>>41306544
if you weren't a retard you would see in your picture that the stars are not the highest thing and the rockets can't even reach the stars

>>41306453
They would still go to hell but their punishment would not be that harsh. To be honest, most people today heard of Jesus thanks to the global media, and western including Christian content entering their media channels.

>>41306539
I'm agnostic
>>41306531
I have a natural aversion to slitting pigs throats for bacon, most people who are not psychopaths and not desensitized to violence do. I think this is because of evolution

>>41306553
>unfairly for no reason.
they went to hell due to their sins like murder
If you live in sin you go to hell regardless of your cultural circumstances

>>41306544

get saved, anon. i want to see you my bro in heaven and you remember this post and we slap hi 5's

the same for you other anons. im rooting for you. "free will doesnt exist" etc is demoralization. believe, thats what matters

"And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely" - Revelation 22:17 KJV

predestination works "backwards". everyones name starts out in the book of life, but then gets blotted out. "few being saved" is a position. a position or shoes THAT YOU can fill

>>41306558
They're missing out on an infinite good (heaven) how can that not be that harsh?

>>41306557
>tries to be retarded
stars are affixed a dome which doesn't exist. we are not surrounded by an aquarium either

where are the waters above? stop trying to be disingenuous

your prophets have claimed to PHYSICALLY FLY TO HEAVEN lmao

>>41306564
Unless you say sorry and I love Jesus right before you die
>>41306568
I'm agnostic about free will but I pretend it exists. I don't think divine foreknowledge is a good argument against Christianity or free will

>>41306575
>where are the waters above?
above space

>>41306564
So god created a system of salvation that billions of people never had access to but it's their fault anyway?

You're fucking deranged

>>41306568
>saved

Christianity is jewish slavery. You get "saved" from the problem they created themselves lol.

>>41306485
Yeah the entire OT is jewish propaganda and likely fictional based on the actual historical records.
The NT writers plagiarized some plato and stoic philosophy.
The gospels make it clear the jew named rabbi yeshua claimed to be king of the planet, was trying to start a violent revolt against rome, failed, got killed.
Church redacted a shitton of this, and ran around threatening people with torture, rinse and repeat.
>paul the jewish false prophet
>murders christians
>has schizo episode
>then tells them to obey the emperor and get crucified w jesus bc the world will end "soon"
>fortunately, the world didnt end

Christianitys pattern of
>threaten nonbelievers w torture
>lie and claim world will end "soon" every year
>any evil deed done by christians is forgiven, all other religions go to hell

Shows itself for what it is, a shitty evil and dishonest cult.
>no if u disagree u will be TORTURED, u must read this book of lies more!

Christians, muslim, and jews are also the most likely religions to have negative schizophrenic episodes and think its god.

>>41306580
>Unless you say sorry and I love Jesus right before you die
Yes?
And that is if God gifts you a good death and you don't die instantly tomorrow after being run over a Corolla by a woman watching tiktok

>>41306588
going to hell depends on works: killing, stealing, cheating on your wife, etc.
going to heaven doesn't depend on works, depends on God's grace
a neutral position for kids and ignorants is what is called Limbo

>>41306581
Nope. Your firmament isn't there.

Did Jesus hold his breath while flying through space? It's going to be a long trip lmao

>>41306609
resurrected Jesus didn't need food nor water, he wouldn't need oxygen either

>>41306588
>Christianity is jewish slavery. You get "saved" from the problem they created themselves lol

you can invent these ad nauseum. God is 100% pure, so can only allow 100% pure in his presence. thats why 1 sin sends you to hell

are you really going to iron out all of your quirks before you believe? better get to it then anon, cause time is short. making sure you're safe for eternity and know where you're going when you die is more important than ANYTHING. what could be more important?

>>41306606
going to hell does not depend on works

you go to hell by default (original sin)

you can only be saved if you pledge allegiance to your magic rabbi

you don't even know your own doctrine and just spouting whatever ignorance to trick people into your cult

peak hylic demiurge worshiper

>>41306439
You are wrong. They too heard of him by now. Other missionaries who were better visited them. Christians know that Jesus would return only after his gospel has reached every corner, every nation on Earth. Missionaries do their job because they want Jesus to return, saving every single soul is secondary to them.

But even if it wasn't so, God would have arranged that only souls that were of the devil will be born there. Lots of cases like this among non-white populations. Adamites = whites. That's his favourite group. Christianity is open to any race, repenting too. But there are races/nations/groups where Christianity is spread more intensively from birth as he wants those souls more. Those are /hisguys/, afterall they look like him and the blonde angels. Other races came into existence because they procreated with demons. But they still get into Heaven. They just don't get exposed to Christianity that much which lowers their chances. (This is a theory I read about a lot.)

>>41306588
Yeah he could've sent Jesus to every continent around the same time
>>41306592
I sort of agree, I think scripture in it's original greek points to universalism, I would expect a religion which was invented just to control people to not be universalist since it wouldn't be as good for business
https://benthams.substack.com/p/universalism-a-comprehensive-defense?utm_source=publication-search

>>41306621
the church that accepts Original Sin dogma, the catholic church, also teaches Limbo, making it the default

>>41306615
But that doesn't mean hell must be eternal and someone can't go to heaven afterwards

>>41306636
>umm

limbo is not biblical. original sin is.

can you stop lying and deflecting and obfuscating every post lmao

>>41306644
protestants don't believe in original sin, specially those that don't accept child baptism (which is a need derivated from original sin dogma)

>>41306615
>god knows only god can be 100% perfect

>create flawed beings anyway

>get mad

jewish schizo things

>>41306643

God exists outside time, he's an eternal being. once this reality wraps up there's only all of eternity left anon

you dont want to spend the echo of all of eternity in hell man. thats freaking tragic

the good news? (literally what The Gospel means) its easy to be saved! believe on Jesus, hear The Gospel properly, believe it for real. you get the perfect life of Jesus to cover all of your sin. you are made 100% perfect. grace is a gift

>>41304749 (OP)
It's just setting an intention to send a frequency of love to a specific person.
It's the same problem glowniggers run into with "why not just effect EVERYONE with our radio weaponry at once?"
Because the signal needs to be focused.

* Ignore the discouraging posts here. You lose nothing by doing the repent exercise. They work for the devil either consciously or unconsciously. As you may know /x/ is full of luciferian occultists. They are trying to drag your soul to hell. Ignore them. It takes 20 seconds to do the repent exercise. Do the repent exercise. Right now. *

>>41306651
nope they believe original sin as well

also the fact even christians can't decide what they believe means this is a failed bullshit cult lol

>I did not bring the spirit of confusion

Oops

>>41306682
They don't. Ask baptists if they have to baptise children

>>41306658

God created things from "nothingness"

nothingness is pure paradox, or chaos or infinity. it "doesn't exist" which paradoxically makes it so it does, which it doesnt, etc

God ordered the chaos, or the blank canvas of infinity, so you are part order which comes from God, and part chaos that comes from "nothingness". you didn't have the knowledge of good and evil though, until adam ate from the tree of knowledge. that knowledge made adam aware of the duality and we "spiritually died". got cut off from God

the 0 in the matrix picture comes from "nothingness"

the 1 comes from God

>>41306681
You lose everything by conceding to live in fear, guilt and shame constantly groveling to jewish abuse religion lol

>>41306687
>dodged the topic entirely

I accept your defeat

>>41306685
Don't care. Call me when you christ cultists actually have a coherent belief.

Christians can't even keep themselves from saying other denominations are hellbound lmao.

>>41306681
You can lose out by doing the repent exercise if it turns out Christianity isn't true, you're choosing to believe without a doubt that Christianity is true which means you have to live a certain way and not live other ways. Luigi mangione who I believe was a hero would not have been able to eliminate his target if he regularly did the repent exercise

>>41306682
>also the fact even christians can't decide what they believe means this is a failed bullshit cult lol

That doesn't follow, this is also a problem among atheists, agnostics, pagans, theists etc etc
>>41306687
Someone could just substitute God in and remove Jesus from your picture. How does Christianity explain this better then theism ?

>>41306699
catholics do and believe in limbo

>>41306066
If you injure your neck, there will be the right healing plants that speed up your recovery by the time the accident happens. God is outside of time. His intelligent system, nature, will offer you the plant, it will be growing by then. It's whether you take it, that's what matters.

But if you are a pure, clean person with lots of good deeds, praying, strong faith, He will protect you from the neck injury. Using the butterfly effect, he will tweak the physical reality at or around the time point when the accident happens so that you avoid it.

Unless you signed up for that neck injury before your birth as you wanted to experience suffering as a soul or for other reasons, like wanting to be forced to get time off from work. But you can still get out of this in your soul plan if you pray for health, no injuries on a daily basis.

>>41306729
false equivalence

1. atheists have non belief

2. pagans don't have unified belief

etc.

while you claim to wield the inerrant immutable word of god

>>41306731
I've Posted this numerous times and no Catholics have seriously addressed it, eastern Orthodox also bring up some of these points against Catholicism https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41084998/#q41085049

>>41306736
I just don't understand how this is compatible with free will. What if someone else really wants to injure my neck and is extremely strong and violent? Is God going to give them a heart attack or broken ankle? Why doesn't he do this to Benjamin net and yahoo

>>41306743
no
1. Christians believe Jesus rose from the dead

2. Jews believe they are God's chosen people

Etc

someone can believe in Christianity and not believe in inerrancy

>>41306779
You're not answering the topic yet again.

Which of your cult sects one is the real Christianity.

>>41306702
There is no downside to doing the repent exercise. It's a no risk, very high return strategy.

In fact, some 160+ IQ jewish scientists often do the repent exercise as they calculate that this is a no risk, extremely high return strategy. John von Neumann was one of them. Top game theory mathematician, strategist, Nobel prize winner. He was a non-religious jew. His logic was the same: even if there is only 1% chance that Christianity and repenting is true, you most definitely absolutely want to repent. You want 0% statistical probability of hell, it is that bad.

Read the repent exercise posted above. Say it out with at least a bit of intention.
Just do it. Then you don't have to worry about it.

>>41306766

bro, all order and logic, sense of "rightness" and perfection etc comes from God

the questioning comes from a state of a lack of knowledge or misunderstanding. as you learn more, you'll find that the logistics and "mechanics" to put it crudely, behind the existence of God, things like free will, etc etc, are absolutely perfect

to go against God is to side with paradox. the elite understand this, this is why they put the statement in the matrix "because i choose too". they are siding with paradox and defying God who is logistically perfect, "just because". that is their reasoning. think leonidas from the movie 300. leo = lion, because you need to be brave to confront paradox or darkness and live in it, but even more than that is to go against God. leonidas says "madness? THIS IS SPARTA". this is their attitude man. it literally is madness

but yeah, dig deep enough and youll find no logical inconsistencies with God

>>41306785
I'm agnostic but I don't think Christians disagreeing about the necessity of baptism or lack of necessity of baptism is a good argument against it anymore then I think atheists disagreeing about the existence or lack of existence of free will is a good argument against atheism.

>>41306786
true belief isnt an intellectual exercise, you actually need to believe. but you know that doncha

>>41306786
I think there is risk like I said before with my Luigi example.
I don't know if the chance is one percent it might be less or more, it's not zero percent I agree but if a random man walks up to me and says give me your wallet or you'll go to hell that's also not zero percent, should I give him my wallet and also do the repent exercise just to be safe?

>>41306795
False

If that were true. Every civilization would come up with the Jesus myth by themselves.

As it is your "truth" is not observable and apparent. But indoctrinated.

>>41306795
>>41306795
I think they're being irrational and not acting in their own best interests. If they were rational I think they would accept God if they knew he was real. If God is real moral realism is also true and it'd be factually correct they should believe in him and do what they have to do to go to heaven. This is the problem I have with eternal hell I see no reason God can't get them to heaven without violating their free will he'd just have to make them more rational.
I have free will even if I dont or can't stab my eyeball with a knife just because, it'd obviously be irrational and I'm a rational person so I won't do that. If I knew God was real I'd believe in him and follow him

>>41306786
>>41306813
Catholics say Protestants go to hell
Protestants say Catholics go to hell
Judaism says Christians go to hell
Muslims say Christians go to hell

Even among you abrahamics you risk going to hell by subscribing. Not to mention there are 1000+ of other religions saying you'll go to hell for Christianity/not choosing them either

Stop acting like pascals wager is still logical lmao

>>41306852
>If I knew God was real I'd believe in him and follow him

you can find out if you dig deep. seek and you will find

>>41306766
You can use your freewill and ask God to protect you from injuries or attacks.

Attackers can attack someone who agrees to it subconsciously because God allows demons to get the consent from you to do so. So they remote control your attacker to hurt you. But often even if they get this consent from you, God doesn't authorise it as He wants to protect you or He has other plans.

Often demons petitioned God so that they can hurt you, to get loosh from you, using your sins (alcohol, sex etc) as a valid reason for this punishment. God says them no especially if he can foresee that you will later repent/become Christian in the future, for example. The effect of this, you turning Christian and repenting now or in the future, radiates back to your past. It gives extra protection to your past self as well.

If God would not give you this basic level protection, you would be torn to pieces by demons, the legion of satan right now.

This is how freak deaths and the deaths of satanists happen. Or live leak deaths of Chinese atheists. He pulls this protection off of them, they die in freakaccidents immediately. Their soul gets transported to hell. He is like "we have seen enough of this satanist/atheist guy. I gave him 40 years to repent. That's it. It's time for him to start his sentencing and get punished."

>>41306873
False gaslighting

Paul did not consent and your god gave him demons anyway

>>41306863
Well Islam is obviously false, there's tons of issues with that religion I don't feel like getting into right now I'm not worried about it.
Some religions have better odds than others

>>41306873
I guess I'm morally superior to your conception of God then

>>41306880
At least they have firsthand accounts of Muhamad and testimonies

You literally have zero evidence for Jesus. The gospels are your best material and they are not only anonymous (names were added later for credibility) they are also in third person.

>>41306891
>>41306873
Because I'd never allow anyone to suffer for eternity, I'd annihilate them instead but ideally I'd do universalism.

>>41306905
I think there's contemporary evidence of Jesus being a historical figure. I think Mohammed was a historical figure too but he was evil and did a lot of bad things. The Quran is filled with errors and Muslims must believe it was all basically dictated by God himself

>>41306779
If you repent, you believe Jesus rose from death to pay for your past, present, future sins, then you will get into Heaven even if you were born as a jew and you believe current jews are the chosen and judaism is your religion. Other beliefs don't matter.
Only that you did the repent exercise.

This is why some random small number of buddhists, jews, muslims get into Heaven accidentally or by luck. At one point in their lives, accidentally they consciously believed in this for a few seconds that Jesus paid for their past, present, future sins on the cross and He was the son of God. It gets recorded by angels. Their soul ends up in Heaven.

>>41306808
He came to believe in repenting by logic and statistics.

>>41306863
Both Catholics and Protestants or the followers of any religion go to Heaven if they do the repenting exercise.

Jesus himself says this, he was like "literally everyone, even the pagans".

>>41306947
I think the good thief did "pretend" / pascal wager believe in Christianity. Didn't Jesus say that was enough?

>>41306936

this is a pajeet spreading lies about salvation...but why do you care if someone else makes it to heaven? why is it your mission to block people from it?

true belief results in "being born again", but we see many parables about how "the seed" doesn't take root properly. you need to be deeply seeded and for it to take root in your soul. thats real belief. if you're just a memer going through an intellectual exercise or equally felt emotional like how drinkers spill their heart when they're drunk, that isnt a deeply rooted belief

you need to actually understand

like we get that you choose to side with paradox anon, but why block other people from getting saved. all people who choose lucifer have some vendetta against Christians understanding the truth or something. let people choose their own path

>>41306879
Paul was a plant. He was not an apostle of Jesus. He has never met Jesus. He was only a follower like most followers today. He injected his or someone elses theory into Christianity. Anything from Paul is not valid.

>>41306779
>>41306936
Another Christian would disagree with you so this is all moot until you can say what your god actually wants

>>41306962
>faith alone is dead

>if you commit sin after you are not saved

>apostasy cannot be repented

>etc etc

stop lying

>>41306976
No deep faith or going to Christian church or reading the Bible is required to get into Heaven. Only repentance.

Jesus and God clearly communicates this: even if you have never been to a Christian church, even if you have never read the Bible, even if you know nothing about Christianity, you still get into Heaven if you repent at least once in your life.

>>41307018
And then keep sinning afterwards?

>>41304749 (OP)
see Luke 18:9-14, God is saint and can only connects with sainthood but because no one is 100% saint on earth, we pray by connecting with the attributes of God, you must pray in humbleness because God is mercy, etc.
>What about the problem of evil and divine hiddeness? What about all the people who's prayers don't come true?
it's easy to notice looking at the stories of the saints like padre pio that God has a certain discrimination for certain people, all prayers are heard, but not all have the same weight, not because God love some more than others, but because the more you love the more you are loved because God is fairness.

>>41307662
I think it's fair to love and take care of someone who doesn't love you back

>>41307671
it's why they don't drop dead and are immediately cursed after rejecting God

>>41307740
sure but I don't think death should be the cutoff I think he should still try to save people after

Hell not real, not eternal
Atheist have heavenly ndes, muslims heavenly ndes, pagans heavenly ndes, buddhists heavenly ndes
Vast majority ndes heavenly
Very few ndes hellish, always temporary, most often religious fundamentalists who believe vast majority of world goes to hell, hyperjudgemental moralistic fear cult
Dont threaten other souls w torture for wrong ritual, very unkind
Common bad pattern in hyperjudgemental religious ppl
>must do rule and ritual perfect or torture
>must follow obey church and government or torture, never trust self, only trust church leader who threatens u w torture
>wars, end times, even wars in heaven, bad spirits in statues, cursed objects

STS souls
>threaten others w hell torture for disobedience proper ritual practice
>violence and fear mongering generate religious wars
>constant generate war disaster fear based prophecies

STO souls
>promise heaven
>not judge others for religious ritual practice/lack of religious ritual practice

Eventually such souls drift apart.

Yes, there are christians who *actively lie and threaten with hell*, make up stories about hell, and do it for $$$ and power. Psychopathic mentality.

>>41308025
STS religious people
>other religion other way, hell, torture, demons
>give money to church leader or "curse"
>but forgive murderer, killer, child rapist but only if in correct church

STO irreligious/spiritual ppl:
>be kind each other kind self
>do not fear
>no one deserve torture
>not have to do ritual
>not have to go to church if child abusers there
>disagree with you not excuse to threaten w punishment

>>41305706
>Aaaaa Caduceus
Are Protestants really such retards?

>>41307018
>to a Christian church, even if you have never read the Bible, even if you know nothing about Christianity, you still get into Heaven if you repent at least once in your life

literally everyone has repented at least once in their life so by that axiom everyone goes to heaven

problem for me is, i do not like being forced to repeat bible verses in my head
and i do not like people threaten me w torture, i also do not like crosses
I basically dont believe anything that fundie christians believe and then they keep threatening me w torture. leave, me, alone!

>>41308193
Yeah these symbols meaningless not good not evil not sacred not profane

A "holy relic" of the catholic cult is a...roman toilet sponge...and they claim jesus foreskin in a jar is a...holy relic

>>41308224
>dnd book bad bc has demons in it
>but bible book is good book...also has demons in it...
>one book good, sacred, all other book bad

>>41306687
>God created things from "nothingness
>at the beginning of the Bible, there is literally water (literally any Mesopotamian creation myth, since God kills the hypothetical Tiamat and creates the world)

>according to Abrahamism, the world is 6,000 years old
>civilization in Mesopotamia appeared 6,000 years ago
>in Babylon and Phoenicia, there was a legend that Adam appeared from somewhere else and taught them how to sow and reap

So these are some kind of aliens
They simply created religions to make life easier for people (although perhaps they are archons)

>>41308240
>bible book is sacred book, must agree w bible book or HELL HELL HELL
>other book is unsacred book

>>41308246
Not aliens, just bronze age people

Like, if you could time travel to the bronze age, with the tools and technology u have now, they would think *you* had magic god power

>can fly in sky in iron bird
>can land on heavenly body these people thought were gods

Why do u respect bronze age myth???

>>41306873
>This is how freak deaths and the deaths of satanists happen. Or live leak deaths of Chinese atheists. He pulls this protection off of them, they die in freakaccidents immediately. Their soul gets transported to hell. He is like "we have seen enough of this satanist/atheist guy. I gave him 40 years to repent. That's it. It's time for him to start his sentencing and get punished."

What kind of gaslighting is this?

Although yes, Christianity is inherently about gaslighting.
>creates people
>tells them not to eat the apple (so that people continue to be as dumb as cattle)
>leaves a sentient, talking, walking, flying serpent (i.e., a dragon) among people.
>he tells people to eat apple
>people get smarter.
>according to Christian theology, this was a sin.
>Jesus came to atone for this sin.

>>41308276
Theres like...a strange caste of humans trapped in bronze age myth mentality
>earth flat
>6000 years old
>evil god aliens called "archons" rule earth

>>41308288
Have noticed certain brain issue certain christians have
>good things happen is from "the devil"
>bad things happen is from "god"

Slave cult deep resentment and self hatred complex.

>>41308309
Other christgolem delusion
>hate jew
>but believe book written by and about jews
>believe jew myths

>>41308318
>hate jew
>but believe jew myths
>believe man who claim to be king of jews is ur king
>but hate jew
>wonder why ur brain confused

>>41308240
>99% of people were deluded except the Jews
>everyone worshiped demons, either deified humans or fictitious gods
>only the Jews knew the truth
>the entire Old Testament is read retrospectively, where Jews constantly worship multiple gods

and also
>all pagan gods are demons
>horrors occurring in the Old Testament
>mental gymnastics begins

By the way, without Greek philosophy and reinterpreted angels under the influence of Zoroastrianism, Judaism is quite primitive

Also
>Genesis
>God creates the world with the help of Elohim (=Gods)
>this means the pagans were not mistaken

>>41308325
>le devil
Jew myth
>le lucifer
Jew myth
>le satan
Jew myth
>le jesus
Jew myth
>but i hate jews

>hate jews but also believe jewish myths

>>41308334
Yes

The OT is polytheist to the core bc the OT is a result of second temple jews reinterpreting ANE myths
>noahs ark
Ripoff of gilgamesh
>list of patriarchs
Ripoff of sumerian kings list
>logos
Thats from...plato, a greek pagan, not jesus christ
>uhh le uhh ANTICHRIST
Jews mad about no more animal sacrifices at jew temple.

>NO THE BIBLE INERRANT U MUST ACCEPT OR HELL
I am superior to you. Ur jewish mindgames dont work. And yes inside every christian is a jewish liar. A jewish man is not my fucking king. Breaking JEWISH LAWS is not a "sin".

>>41308337
Oh btw, gnosticism? W le archons and all that bullshit?
Yeah, thats also jewish schizophrenia bc they hated the greek neoplatonists.
>greek demiurge
>benevolent creator
>jewish schizoid gnostics
>LE DEMIURGE IS LE EVIL

Jewish schizos poisoned everything

>>41308387
>things jewbrainpoisoned souls hate
>breaking laws invented by jews
>not believing greek statues have "evil spirits in them"
>refusal to believe jewish myths and megalomaniacal fantasies
>refusal to worship jewish man
>i hate jews *except this jewish man named yeshua bar joseph who taught about keeping jewish laws and his follower paul who said jews come first*

>>41308405
This is why christians turn schizo
>i am le antisemite
>but i love jewish laws, worship jewish man as god, believe jewish myths

>>41308416
Note that semites are genetically predispositioned to schizophrenia. Yes that includes paul, yes that includes jesus, who ran around screaming about hell, end times that didnt happen, etc etc

>>41308373
https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/24753/what-about-psalm-29-specifically-makes-somes-scholars-think-it-was-originally

The Jews, being Phoenicians themselves, worshiped Baal, who had many names. Herodotus also saw two enormous columns inscribed with unknown symbols in the Temple of Melqart, this colomns art the Pillars of Hercules/Heracles and Boaz and Jachin. Solomon's Temple was built by the Phoenician Hiram (a legendary figure in Freemasonry) in the image and likeness of the Temple of Melqart-Hercules. Pigs were forbidden in the cult of Melqart, and the Phoenicians also practiced circumcision.

https://thingsinthree.blogspot.com/2013/05/melqart-burning-man.html?m=1
https://historum.com/t/new-perspectives-on-shared-patterns-in-near-eastern-mythology.201099/

https://historum.com/t/unique-mesopotamian-and-egyptian-syncretism-%E2%80%93-how-the-lord-of-the-underworld-changed-the-ancient-world.200843/

https://historum.com/t/the-gods-of-abraham-1-who-was-el-shaddai.199237/

https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=195075#p

https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9066

https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11980

>>41308430
And yes, that is why Solomon worked with Baal.

>>41304749 (OP)
Prayer is talking to entities like angels, and elemental spirits who may or may not feel like helping you. Like talking to people, if you sound desperate, or whiny, or annoying they won't want to help you. So when you pray be positive, express gratitude, i.e. "Thank you for x happening" instead of "please god make x happen, I'm so sad and desperate!" It's like Law of Attraction, but also don't be attached to the precise outcome.
Like people, you should communicate with your angels and spirit guides on a regular basis to build the relationship, not just when you want something from them. And also realize that you are making things happen too, take action to make your wishes come true, don't just sit back and do nothing and beg supernatural forces to do everything.
We're all eternal powerful souls, human life is a temporary experience, a drop in the ocean our souls. Higher powers don't feel sorry for us and our suffering, they see us as badasses participating in an extreme sport, they admire our courage and resilience.

Mass focused intent

>>41308025
based

>>41308246
I think the evidence the world and humans existed for millions of years is overwhelming

>>41308445
Still doesn't really answer my original questions but interesting hypotheses

>>41305264
I have never seen that photo, I want to believe.
https://steemit.com/imagen/@morinjesus/the-most-realistic-photographs-of-jesus-christ-and-the-virgin-mary

what if praying for money is literally the only thing you can think of, because there is no way anything but money could help in your situation

>>41305206
>dude, could I just have a few things so I can be happy while I live on this shitty planet you made, with my human urges that you gave me?
>no
What is his problem?

>>41308802
It's a photo of Jesus. The Vatican has the technology to take photos of the past in a given location. It's called a chronovisor.

John is the man behind Jesus. Peter is the old one. There is a photo of Mary taken with the same technology with baby Jesus, she was blonde and looked very young for a mother.

>>41307061
Repenting covers and nullifies all your future sins too.

>>41305264
>>41308802
>>41309492
provably false

Jesus did not have long hair that was a later addition and stereotype

>>41306992
You cannot live a sinless life. It is impossible. While you live in sin world, in the fallen world. You step on an ant while you walk, that is a sin. You eat meat or an industrially produced food, that is a sin. You see a hot woman/man and you think to yourself "wow, they are attractive", that is a sin. You use your smartphone, that is a sin. Have you ever lied? It means you have sinned. Just one lie in your life can send you to hell to satan. Satan dragged the world into this state where anything you do is a sin, so that he can get your soul for torturing in hell. No matter how clean or good you are, you are never sinless. There is only one way of reducing your sin record to zero: by repenting. Then Jesus paid off your sins completely.

Jesus and God said that anyone who has ever done the repenting exercise at least once in their lifetime on Earth will get into Heaven.

Why are you fighting against prayer? Did someone try to make you pray? I sure hope you weren't bullied by your Christian family or something like that.

>>41306976
No. You cannot get into Heaven just by being good and doing the good work, good deeds in your life. Jesus says this in the Bible.

Only through repenting can you get into Heaven.

But good work will give you a higher position in the social hierarchy in Heaven.

Hell is full of charity workers, super good people who lived like monks. They didn't repent.

>>41309515
Spoiler: he had long hair. You will see it at your judgement.

>>41309557
>No. You cannot get into Heaven just by being good and doing the good work

nobody said this anon. this is a question about whether the belief actually took root in your soul, or if "the seed was scattered on the rocks, or got choked out by the thorns" etc

belief is not just an acknowledgement of facts like some clinical robotic thing. God sees your heart and knows if you're being legit or not

that's why this "quickly say the repent prayer to get out of hell then go back to business as usual" attitude is laughable. you cant fool God

a "handshake" needs to occur between your soul (mind/will/emotions) and Spirit. true belief, thats what saves. this leads to the change of your nature "being born again". from this you will find it difficult to stay living in your old life. "the old man" or flesh is still there though, but inwardly you change

It doesn't work at all. Just read the history of Europe. Murders, wars, genocide, disease, persecution of heretics, and so on (though inter-Christian wars took far more lives). The Church itself blessed the Crusades, wars between Christians, and so on, periodically reducing the population to critical levels.

Just imagine sitting in the city in 2025, praying to God for help with money, work, and so on. I suppose the Archons enjoy worship, but it's constant praise, giving them energy, and that's all. Asking them for anything is pointless.

>>41309702

works based christians (who think their deeds and being a good person saves them, or the kind of christians who pray for victory in a super bowl game etc dont get their prayers answered

make sure you're praying to the right God too. that's really why you need a Spirit filled believer or preacher to properly explain things to you

>>41309718

furthermore, my "soulish" explanations, while helpful, is probably not going give you the right idea. Spirit is a thing not of this world, so you need to be told the scripture at face value, quoted the literal scripture, and something inside of you will recognize what is being said

Spirit bypasses all human logic and soul realm (mind/will/emotion) explanations

Gods Word is Spirit, it has power and your Spirit within you will begin to wake up if the power of His Word hits you at face value (without silly philosphical reasoning and things)

>>41305206
> Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication
with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God, and the peace of God,
which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ
Jesus”. – Saint Paul
> Therefore, I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it,
and it will be yours”. – Jesus Christ
Prayer has been hedged about with too many man-made rules. I am convinced
that God has intended prayer to be as simple and natural, and as constant a part
of our spiritual life, as the intercourse between a child and his parent in the home.
And as a large part of that discussion between a child and parent is simply asking
and receiving, just so is it with us and our Heavenly Parent.

>>41306394
The majority of Christians normally believe that the consequence of sins (if people are not covered by the blood of Christ) is to be burnt in hell for all eternity, while others think sinners will be annihilated in flames of judgment. It may come as a surprise to learn that the Bible nowhere teaches that every unrepentant sinner will burn in hell. It does say there is a lake of fire which will exist at the end of the Millennium (Revelation 20:10), but that does not teach that all present day sinners will be consigned to it. Nor does the Bible say that sinners will live within an inferno for all eternity.
The very opposite is true. The Bible says the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), not to live for eternity. Everlasting life is a gift from God; it is not something inherent within man (Romans 6:23). What the Bible does show, and shows very clearly, is that the penalty for unforgiven sins is death. God will determine the necessary means by which the deaths of unrepentant sinners will occur. And He will not use fire in every case to bring about such deaths.

>>41306544
Take the jonathan kleck pill bros, he decoded alot of these hidden evil spirits, the veil has been lifted and the Holy Spirit Given us by Jesus Christ enables one to see through these illusions
God made it known for our edification:

> 16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

We are all sinners. Repentance and accepting Jesus Christ as lord is your salvation. The path is right in front of you but you can't see it because your eyes are not open. Choose what you know in your heart is true.

The Spirit of Christ is with you and the full Armor of God is on you, fren. God bless and many blessings to you.

>>41308337
>biblical God is the jewish god
This statement is fundamentally wrong on every level.

First, the biblical God is beyond race or region, he is the objective most high. The source of all things. He is what the gnostics call Monad, the Manitou of the native Americans, the "unknown God" of the greeks. He is referenced by many cultures as the source of all things just, due to them never interacting with him merely acknowledge his existence and works, but lack the personal revelations of his he brought.

2. Modern Kikes are the Pharisee which themselves are Edomitic converts. The Bible says that LITERALLY God called them "Brood of Vipers", "Children of the devil" and "Hypocrites". They descend from the Amalek the Israelites were commanded to genocide for the evil, which themselves come from the infamous Canaanites that worship Moloch. Calling the Bible or God "Jewish" is then either meaningless as there is nothing to relate that word too or directly wrong when you try to relate it to the modern Kikes

III: The biblical Israelites became Europeans. Its our story the Bible talks about.

4th
Even when ignoring all this, the first 5 books were written by Moses, a Levite, not a "jew", as the biblical ones are those that descend from Judah and not his Brother Levi. All the stories up to 2 generations after Abraham were about a time in which jews didnt even exist as their tribe as well as the 11 other Tribes didnt come into existence until the grandson of Abraham. There are 11 other Tribes the Bibles story is about.

e) All the commandments and teachings of the Bible are directly opposed to Jews, what they stand for and push, and every Christian in the last 2000 years knew this and agreed on them being our enemies. All the nations they got kicked out off were Christian ones. It took them 2000 years, longer than anything else, to subvert enough to make some Christians think they are on our side

So calling the Bible or God "jewish" only makes you look retarded.

> Great is the mystery,
> God was manifest in the flesh
> 1 Timothy 3:16
>
> The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty
> Zephaniah 3:17

Absolute truth is Jesus Christ. It is not a hidden truth, but out in the open. Everything we need to know is in the Bible and most importantly, in a personal relationship in Jesus, everyone can build by asking for the Holy Spirit from God to be given to them. Our hearts and minds are renewed from sin by this. You only need to ask sincerely.

We are not gods, but children of God, made in His image, though marred by sin due to Satan.

But in Jesus, there is our salvation.

Accept Jesus and be saved.

Craziness of our governments is a combination of the madness of man, aka created beings that have deluded themselves into thinking they don't need a relationship with their creator and thus are doomed to die. And Satanic deception that yet permeates the Earth that desires our souls.

You are cosmically important for the same reason that every human being is important.

You are made in the Image of God, and He was willing to let His only son die for you.

This is the Truth, what makes us special. Nothing that we do on our own makes us special, but love of God and a relationship that we have with Him.

Jesus sets us free.

Be Free In Him.

Amen.

>>41306190
My underwear, switched to panties

>>41305206
picel anon claimed that the purer your heart is with prayers the more likely God will answer them. another thing I want to mention is that God's timeline is more perfect than human timelines, meaning that your prayers might not be answered now because there's something better in the works. this happened to me with a big prayer related to my career (the big advancement only came at the better, opportune time)

the Our Father:
begins with praising God
prays for God's kingdom and will to be done
asks for our daily bread
asks for forgiveness and mentions forgiving others
asks to stay on the holy path


so I'd say:
deference to God is very important

>>41305234
did you ever have an experience of reality changing instantly? genuinely curious

>>41304749 (OP)
>Why not pray for everyone on earth instead of a specific person?

>>41309991
>I am convinced
>that God has intended prayer to be as simple and natural
in fact, Jesus explicitly says not to go on and on with prayer thinking you'll be heard for your many words

>>41309545
Integrity

>>41304749 (OP)
>How does praying for yourself or someone else work? Why not pray for everyone on earth instead of a specific person?
Deep contemplative prayer is communing beyond the veil. Those beyond the veil dont know what goes on in here without a steady stream of clear, well informed and unfabricated messaging. High stability with lots of noise and unimportant emotions arent easy to act on.

>>41304749 (OP)
just guard against evil influence, watch your thoughts & god will give you the strength to take action to improve things & fix issues yourself, why do christians think that god must do magic for them instead of doing good works outright? mommy wont get you your bubblegums from the shopping centre, she will jsut give you the money so you can go get them yourself.

>>41311001
But God doesn't give me money

>>41304749 (OP)
Prayer works. The thing you see most jews, christians, muslims, buddhists, and hindus doing, is not prayer. Its a poor imitation, intentionally spread among the masses so they don't ever properly contact God directly. No, I will not elaborate on the correct methodology because I love suffering and don't want you retards to end it yet.

>god is perfect
>praying works and let me tell him what he did is wrong though

lol

>>41311026
humans mess it up with their free will

>>41309557
>Hell is full of charity workers, super good people who lived like monks. They didn't repent.
and youve been there and are an authority? Why does your ilk always larp like they own people's freedom and terrorize people's minds with your doomsaying?

A charity worker doing good deeds is not a threat to worldly stability and if you think that deserving of "hell" you are possibly clinically insane in a way that has become socially acceptable. God gave you critical thought and the power of common sense. Go use it. The bible also contains ironic takes for gullible people which were put there to think about and digest whether it makes sense or not. That's part of the path to God: a path you carve from within until you meet it.

>>41311054
>humans mess it up with their free will
nta but this is extremely myopic. Free will meaning you dont have a suppressive spiritual being trying to brainwash you is a moral good. Free will to the degree that you gas every single person you dont like is also a tad extreme.

Is it so hard to imagine something like "hmm I wonder why God never calls and speaks every 4 years to a devoted individual or better yet to a troubled soul before they slide down into more trouble"

It's such a measly bit of effort for an omniscient being. It happens sometimes though. People have spiritual guidance and connections with benevolent beings. It's not black and white but people can certainly be critical and not try to shove the truth under the rug. People don't feel particular ways without reason.

>>41311013
its a metaphor, a certainty that you can tackle your goals & actually achieve them, your subconsciousness already leads you towards endeavors which you are capable of mastering without having to think everything through in great detail. your instincts.

>>41311054
Free will has been debunked many times

Its your weakest deflection

Most of the time, if not all, it feels like I'm praying to an uncaring stone statue that I can't see, sadly. But I still pray, because what's the alternative?

Prayer helps align your reality with god’s will

New to Christianity and interested in Catholicism. I’m not sure how Catholics pray. I just say the Lord’s Prayer before bed followed by brief silent meditation. I would like to learn how to pray to become a “friend of God” (Gregory of Nyssa, Life of Moses). Does anyone have any resources that could help me out?

>>41311109
Free will goes hand in hand with taking responsibility for your actions. That we struggle with group unity merely obfuscates that we might lack free will. And your daily habits shape that as well. You are mentally enslaved in degrees by forces without and within, but also hold the capacity to erode the grip on you.

>>41311229
Catholicism is almost certainly false
Here's evidence
>>41306756

>>41304749 (OP)
All of my prayers get answered, instead of trying to use God as an ATM to give YOU want you want. Pray for him to give US what we need. Ever sence exclusively praying the lords prayer my family's and my life has become exponentially better.
When you pray actually reflect on the meaning behind each verse. Hope this helps
Matthew 6:9-13
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

>>41311560
Everyone just treats me like an atm they either don't care about me at all, want to use me for money or labor or entertainment! Billions must die!

>>41305234
>newage audiobook
No thanks

>>41304749 (OP)
The ions in your brain create and electro-magnetic wake within the ether. This wake may constructively or destructively interfere with other brain induced wakes within the ether changing the fabric of realty around you. Works with mouth sounds too.

>How does prayer work?
It doesn't work when you beg for shit, prayer is worship, not requests

>>41304749 (OP)
More useful question is how bad do you want to find out?

>>41312923
very much almost as much as I want a gf

>>41314649
bump

>>41304749 (OP)
>how does prayer work
Does it, though?

>>41316946
placebo effect making you feel better but I don't see how it can help others if free will exists solipsism is completely false etc etc

>>41304749 (OP)
God is like a postman
Sending your energy to people

>>41316962
send lots of energy to everyone
pope had lots of people praying for him and still died