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Anonymous No.41306283 [Report] >>41306357 >>41306538 >>41306978 >>41307581 >>41308439 >>41308447 >>41308736 >>41309024 >>41309362 >>41310089 >>41311813 >>41311838 >>41312076 >>41312716 >>41315097 >>41316431 >>41316600 >>41318046
Beginning magic?
Im a Christian, but ive always been interested in magic and the occult. How do I get started practicing magic? Any book recommendations?
Anonymous No.41306328 [Report]
https://ravenscrucible.com/solomonic-magic-in-practice-overview-and-index/
Anonymous No.41306357 [Report] >>41306398 >>41309643
>>41306283 (OP)
Energy cant be created or destroyed

Also we cant lead our own souls
Because we aren't master of life and
death to pull from it a lesson in wisdom.
Anonymous No.41306398 [Report] >>41307900 >>41316512 >>41316653
>>41306357
Well isnt magic pulling from something bigger? (Ie. God). Don't magicians know that they are at the whim of whatever they're using or pulling from?
Anonymous No.41306538 [Report] >>41306587
>>41306283 (OP)
What do you think of when you say magic? Putting aside the usual warnings that a Christian shouldn't practice magic for the moment, magic is a wide and diverse field. Also, what kind of Christian are you (denomination) and how flexible is your personal ideology? I ask because magic (whether or not in a Christian context) can include relatively innocuous activities like divination, scrying, and consecrating items to more seriously involved activities like interacting with entities like angels or demons.
Anonymous No.41306587 [Report] >>41308915 >>41308925 >>41311781 >>41321879
>>41306538
I am a Catholic, however I now lean to Orthodoxy. I was a Pagan at some point. I do believe in Jesus Christ, but i don't think for a second that the old gods are evil, or that theyre demons. When I think of magic, i think of grimories and spells. I think of rituals, sigils and symbols, as well as divination and consecration. I think my personal ideology, in terms of theology, is quite flexible.
Anonymous No.41306978 [Report] >>41309643
>>41306283 (OP)
https://youtu.be/TZOv7lSHc14
Anonymous No.41307048 [Report] >>41307315 >>41307538 >>41309081
>rituals

Theyre useless and a waste of time.
Anonymous No.41307315 [Report]
>>41307048
How?
Anonymous No.41307538 [Report]
>>41307048
>does rituals all the fucking time, but just those sanctioned by the systems anon is enslaved by completely
Anonymous No.41307581 [Report] >>41307883 >>41308736 >>41308864 >>41309643 >>41310074 >>41311194
>>41306283 (OP)
Fuck off faggot, you cannot be Christian AND practice magick.
Magick is for the spiritually unshackled and enlightened.

Not some worship food for some desert dwelling blood god.

Fuck your ass of back to the /b/ you retard.
Anonymous No.41307883 [Report] >>41308249 >>41308359 >>41309069
>>41307581
If magic were for the spiritually unshackled and enlightened, then Christians would make good candidates. But magic has to do with causing changes to occur in the physical world. You need an attachment to the physical world just to become interested in that.
Anonymous No.41307900 [Report] >>41307916 >>41308249
>>41306398
Magic unironically comes from within through your intentions. Everything else is just tools to help you achieve whatever you're trying to accomplish.
Anonymous No.41307916 [Report] >>41308249
>>41307900
This is only a very recent theory of magic. Anon above linked the Libri III, one of the foundational texts of Western magic, which states that magic can be classified as natural, angelic, or divine, depending on its source. In no case does it originate from within the human psyche.
Anonymous No.41308249 [Report]
>>41307883
I do have an attachment to the world.
>>41307900
Interesting.
>>41307916
Wait where was this linked? I was busy.
Anonymous No.41308359 [Report] >>41308399 >>41308415 >>41308426 >>41308431
>>41307883
That is the most retarded larp that Christian faggots make up.
You are all incappable of performing magick because youre all enslaved by a desert nigger blood and war god.
Everything you guys do is stolen from other religions and spiritualities.
Not to fucking mention, if you actually read the Bible, you would know that witchcraft is heresy because it trespasses on YWHs supposed dominion.

Magick is about dealing with the energy of self and the world and using it to bend reality, people and all things therein to your will.
>You need an attachment to the physical world just to become interested in that.
Wrong. You are a total idiot lol.

Get the fuck out of /x/ christfags

Pick your enslavement or magick, you cannot have both.
Anonymous No.41308399 [Report] >>41308426 >>41309763
>>41308359
>war god.
Based. Christ did conquer.
Anonymous No.41308415 [Report] >>41309763
>>41308359
Source-ery is literally using “the source” aka, the actual Tetragrammaton flat world primus progenitor sacred geometry dot man above all to do magic, the source, sorcery, Bible forbids sorcery, witchcraft makes sense with their narrative, but sorcery, that is like banning miracles.

Because it’s not him.
Anonymous No.41308426 [Report] >>41308442 >>41308578 >>41309763
>>41308359
>Not to fucking mention, if you actually read the Bible, you would know that witchcraft is heresy because it trespasses on YWHs supposed dominion.
You have not read the bible nor do you know your history. Witchcraft is not heresy (these are two completely different things) and that is not the reason why it was punishable by death.

>Magick is about dealing with the energy of self and the world and using it to bend reality, people and all things therein to your will.
Magic is the science of hidden causes. You sound like a Thelemite. But Thelema is a religion that could not exist without Jewish Kabbalah. Just can't seem to get away from that desert god, can you?
>>41308399
Christus imperat
Anonymous No.41308431 [Report]
>>41308359
Magick doesnt work. Its useless.
Anonymous No.41308439 [Report] >>41308514 >>41308583 >>41309062 >>41312728
>>41306283 (OP)
You really messed up by mentioning that you're a Christian. Christianity and Magic are incompatible if you follow the Bible. It strictly forbids Magic. Now that you've said the C-word, 90%+ of your thread will be filled with debate about Christianity for and against and you will be lucky to receive much real help. I suggest waiting until your thread is gone and trying again without mentioning that you're a Christian. Since Magic is forbidden within your faith, you're a heretic anyway and you're essentially on your own.

t. (somewhat ex) Christian Magic practitioner

p.s. I'm not giving you any tips. You must stumble upon them yourself if you are worthy. "To Know, To Dare, To Will, and To Keep Silent" - Éliphas Lévi
Anonymous No.41308442 [Report] >>41308514
>>41308426
>just cant get away from jewish desert god
>christus imperat
Neither can you it seems
Faust No.41308447 [Report] >>41308455
>>41306283 (OP)
The Case of Charles Dexter Ward by H.P. Lovecraft should be required reading so you have an idea of what you’d be getting into towards the end game of most magical traditions throughout the ages.

https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/cdw.aspx
Anonymous No.41308455 [Report] >>41308514 >>41315054
>>41308447
Magick is useless and ineffectual
Have practiced magick, its useless
Anonymous No.41308514 [Report]
>>41308439
Magia naturalis is not forbidden, but that is almost certainly not what OP wants.
>>41308442
You're trying to get away from Him, I am not.
>>41308455
Everything called magic in the West that gets any kind of publicity whatsoever is 100% fake, but that doesn't mean that it comes free of risks. It's worse than useless.
Anonymous No.41308578 [Report] >>41308610 >>41309643
>>41308426
Based, and Thelema seems very cringe. Made by a conman. I want to know more about Hermeticsm, fuck id rather be a Satanist than a Thelemite.
Anonymous No.41308583 [Report]
>>41308439
Good advice nonetheless, thank you.
Anonymous No.41308610 [Report] >>41308685
>>41308578
Evola's book on the Hermetic Tradition is a good intro. Everyone mentions "Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition" by Frances Yates. She makes some very serious historical errors in that book (neither Bruno nor Ficino nor Agrippa nor Pico no any of the other Christian Cabalists had anything whatsoever to do with Hermeticism) but it is nevertheless an interesting read. Copenhaver's translation of the Hermetica is required reading. Christian Hermeticism is something very real and very orthodox, but actual Christian Hermetic orders are rare and inaccessible. Look into the Estoile Internelle for an example, most of the information about them comes from Louis Charbonneau-Lassay.
Anonymous No.41308685 [Report] >>41308715
>>41308610
This is the type of shit I wanted, not to be called a slave by a larper. I heard the O9A has a good book on magic called Naos or something. Is this true? I only mention them because ive heard they have actual crazy rituals and shit.
Anonymous No.41308715 [Report] >>41308795
>>41308685
There is a lot of fake O9A material circulating from copycat organizations but afaik Naos is authentic. I don't know whether the online editions are faithful to the copies they circulate among themselves, only an original Niner could tell your for sure, and by the way, they do not recruit and have no external contact.
Anonymous No.41308736 [Report] >>41308787
>>41306283 (OP)
If magic was real or accessible then you would be seeing actual wizards doing actual wizard stuff.

>>41307581
>Magick
Lol poser.
Anonymous No.41308787 [Report] >>41308854
>>41308736
>you would be seeing actual wizards doing actual wizard stuff
we do
Anonymous No.41308795 [Report] >>41308835
>>41308715
Makes sense, theyre super secret. People can basically make their own groups though right? How could I get my hands on NAOS? I dont want to be a Satanist, however for magic material it could be useful. But I heard if I try to purchase anything from them id be on a watch list.
Anonymous No.41308835 [Report] >>41308951 >>41308976
>>41308795
Something claiming to be it is easy to find. I could be charged with disseminating terrorist propaganda if I provided a link. I haven't read it so can't speak to its usefulness. You can try to do whatever you want, and you may even see some results from whatever practices you become attached to, but a word of warning with that: merely taking an interest in these matters attracts certain forces to your person, and without being initiated into a lineage, you will not be protected.
Anonymous No.41308854 [Report] >>41308971
>>41308787
Show me then.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41308864 [Report] >>41309763 >>41318652
>>41307581
Cite your sources from the New Testament.


You won't.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41308915 [Report] >>41308939 >>41308951
>>41306587
Read up on Hermeticism, Chaos magick theory, as well as alternative/native explanations for various popular Saint stories (Like Saint Patrick and his chasing out the snakes). I'm fond of Papars of Iceland. Not too familiar with the Ortho saints desu.

Make sure you have become familiar with the different types of Miracles recognized by the Church.


Look into Heretical Physics. High /x/ type stuff, such as sentient mind waves and living plasma.


Of course there's also studying the traditions of the other two Abrahamic


Finally look into the Abramelin Operation. The movie is A Dark Song is a good example of it. If you do watch it, follow up with this breakdown, critique, and suggestions for improvement: https://youtu.be/SQ7Y8OA52H8?si=BSwzx-6GprSxmZNE


Shoot I'd also look into vudu/hoodoo/santeria traditions. A little known tenant of those faiths is how Comedy/Humor is divine. (Echoing Aquinas). Skeleton Key is a good movie that introduces the concept of Faith being the tool, even if you don't believe one thing, someone else's faith in that thing can still hold power for you.

Cradle Catholic here, just remember your oaths and whatever from the Sacraments. And never forget that Pride is the first downfall when attempting to understand the Divine Nature of God's Creation.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41308925 [Report] >>41308959
>>41306587
>i don't think for a second that the old gods are evil, or that theyre demons
Very wise.

Don't forget that Angel is a job title, and demon a slur, at least historically.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41308939 [Report]
>>41308915
Special shoutout to Caodaism
Anonymous No.41308951 [Report]
>>41308835
I agree, thank you very much.
>>41308915
I will, also good info. And I agree. I want to know magic not because im prideful, but because I want to better understand the world I live in. To see the deepness of God's creation.
Anonymous No.41308959 [Report] >>41308970
>>41308925
>very wise
I try to be. Thats why I want to know magic, so that I can grow in wisdom. Also the term daimons seems to be a good term for the gods, spirits that can be good or bad. Even in the Bible God had to fight gods. Iirc it was the Egyptian gods in the OT
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41308970 [Report] >>41308992
>>41308959
I have a personal theory that the Muses are a sort of societal, psychological, or other fractal-esque Phenomenon to aid in further enlightenment.

After all God is essentially an Ultraterrestrial, outside of time as we experience it. Most realizations seem to come from hindsight noooticing.
Anonymous No.41308971 [Report] >>41309834
>>41308854
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41308976 [Report] >>41308992
>>41308835
>initiated into a lineage
This is a big thing OP.

Make sure you know your literal ancestors as well as you can. Geography and such. It will help a lot later on to remain centered.
Anonymous No.41308992 [Report] >>41309002
>>41308970
Fascinating
>>41308976
Really? Im of mainly Irish stock, from places all over Ireland. What does this mean for me "initiation"? What does it mean to remain centered?
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41308994 [Report] >>41311781
Shams al-Ma'arif" by Ahmad al-Buni

Forgot about that one from mystic Islam.

Purportedly has the names of God and occulted practices apparently allow one to detact from God. I haven't personally dove into it, but I absolutely dread non English works.

Academic translations is always laden with personal bias and as such I find it wanting.

https://youtu.be/2dY-roDpHWI?si=KpOy_AEV4hC_z6A8

Ammon is an interesting guy if you don't mind potential and literal heresy. He explains about what I was trying to relay about my hangups with translated sources. He can be hard to follow and his mannerisms can be a bit off putting, but he's a legitimately smart dude. Investigated by the Vatican and all lolol
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41309002 [Report] >>41309045
>>41308992
At times, if you continue on this path, you may get a literal sense of being lost.

Try to remember the struggles of your ancestors, spiritually or even political or whatever. It'll help you maintain focus. It'll echoe through time and slace, after all the Communion of Saints is in God's exo-time domain.

I think that's what I meant by being centered.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41309006 [Report]
Oohh yea ind thing I like to hold space for in my meditations, prayers, rituals are what I call the unnamed. The lost. The voiceless.

Essentially all the lost civilizations, religions, and cultures as well as the countless forgotten martyrs of them. It can help.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41309022 [Report]
Last thing


I find it important to wander between the different types of media consumption. Don't forget to decompress with nostalgia. Everything you've ever consumed has helped shaped you as you are today. Embrace it.

Picrel kinda sorta.


Moght I offer a neutral prayer from Heilung. Their Amplified History philosophy is most righteous.

Remember, that we all are brothers
All people, beasts, trees and stone and wind
We all descend from the one great being
That was always there
Before people lived and named it
Before the first seed sprouted

And this song has a great message imo

https://youtu.be/K7ZqZVunCb4?si=H2KEKULQuV1mIP8c
///

I do apologize for the data dump. I was in your shoes roughta decade ago and literally every Church or faith authority all but chastistme for even considering such research. That's not healthy imo lolol
Anonymous No.41309024 [Report] >>41309045 >>41309118
>>41306283 (OP)
How can I stop a sniper round from the jewish cartels
Anonymous No.41309045 [Report]
>>41309024
You can pay the guy off maybe >>41309002
Makes sense.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41309062 [Report] >>41311608 >>41318652
>>41308439
>It strictly forbids Magic
No it doesn't.

Cite your passages. I decline Old Testament rulings and law on the matter, but will still consider any passages you present for refutations.

///

Unrelated to you that I'm replying to


Picrel is a subtle reframing of the Abramelin Operation. Media literacy is a good skill to develop.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41309069 [Report]
>>41307883
>You need an attachment to the physical world just to become interested in that.

Jesus did that. He is our link. By virtue of the sealing of the Holy Spirit in the sacraments we go through.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41309081 [Report]
>>41307048
>Theyre useless and a waste of time
When you follow the general steps honestly, no they aren't.


Intention control and placement being the first step is also the hardest hurdle to get past.
Anonymous No.41309118 [Report] >>41309147 >>41309255
>>41309024
https://youtu.be/WZu4KOgJTuM

https://youtu.be/vcKzlZHl7PY

Friend
Some things are best left
unkNEoHwEnB.
https://youtu.be/T-wlTMcm7KA

Ask.
Anonymous No.41309147 [Report] >>41309156 >>41309255
>>41309118
based golden monkey enjoyer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9eTslVV-1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPGTAR3ODSE
Anonymous No.41309156 [Report] >>41309198
>>41309147
https://youtu.be/LMnrFiG8FRo

https://youtu.be/plAr3adKbyc

https://youtu.be/AMK67qGuocg

https://youtu.be/a8GgO8jfUuk

https://youtu.be/djXXnlDXJJM

https://youtu.be/FqzyBW1u7OA
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41309198 [Report] >>41309216
>>41309156
Shii if we dropping tracks

https://youtu.be/o_KQCEFPObE?si=aQD0RjAAS0P7u1DD
Anonymous No.41309216 [Report]
>>41309198
Holy shit
O_O
https://youtu.be/2OJC7qjka-c
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41309255 [Report] >>41309385
>>41309147
>>41309118
I'm still unaware of Golden Monkey, care to share some knowledge?

https://youtu.be/3yyK88Qkxrc?si=_NTaoaaR-gWRQQEP

Low digits courtesy of Jacob's Ladder
Anonymous No.41309362 [Report] >>41309446
>>41306283 (OP)
Start with the Egyptians, move on to Greeks, Platonics, Neoplatonics, various mythologies and symbols, etc, then get some anon to post a chart on esoteric Christianity because Christianity is very strict about what you should engage with and in what ways
Anonymous No.41309385 [Report] >>41311858
>>41309255
https://youtu.be/lpG7vEOlbIc

Brinking the Eoisture from the Nair

https://youtu.be/mz9hr-2SGtE
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41309446 [Report]
>>41309362
>Christianity is very strict about what you should engage with and in what ways
It really isn't. Beyond actual bane werks and Anti-Life (animal or human sacrifice) rituals.

Council of Trent established the frameworks. Solidified more with Vatican II as well as further reflections by Pope Benedict.

It's such a core concept that CS Lewis even had a plot point in the Last Battle reflecting that teaching.
Anonymous No.41309471 [Report]
Since you're Christian, I'd recommend the Golden Dawn. Old books are good for theory, but new books are clearer on practices.
Anonymous No.41309643 [Report] >>41316664
>>41306357
What are you even responding to?
>>41306978
I'm torn between agreeing and disagreeing here, because Agrippa is fundamental, and he was Christian which will help for OP, but...he also needs to be put into historical context. Nevertheless, if you're going to recommend it, yeah, the Purdue translation is preferable.
>>41307581
Bitch, Christians have been doing magic for the entire time they've been around, regardless of their anti-magic bullshit.
>>41308578
>Thelema seems very cringe
Of course it is.
sage No.41309763 [Report] >>41311608 >>41315685
>>41308864
Inb4 you disregarding the old testament because the whole wrong philosphy that the new testament soley exist to cancel out the old.
You are retarded. Go ahead and pretend to cast magick, I will see all your souls in hell :=3
>>41308399
However, Christ did not conquer. YWH is just one of the retarded Elohim
Jesus is the product of sex that was covered up in order for Mary not to be stoned
It ripped off a handful of other religious figures and was a no shoe wearing hippie who would be dissapointed in all of you.
>>41308415
You wanna put that in a non-schitzospastic way?
>>41308426
Thats rich coming from someone who actualy hasnt read the Bible.
>Magic is the science of hidden causes. You sound like a Thelemite. But Thelema is a religion that could not exist without Jewish Kabbalah. Just can't seem to get away from that desert god, can you?
Ok baby foreskin eating kabbalist, go back to your study of inane geometry and secret Masonry which is just worshipping Baal.
Most sorcery back then in that area was taken from the Cannites and the ''Other'' people.
Christfags will never access the source, the magick, the primordial energy of reality.
You have no souls since you sold them to YWH.

Revelation 21:8
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts (witches/sorcerers) the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
Revelation 22:15
"Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."
Galatians 5:19–21
"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Anonymous No.41309834 [Report] >>41312658
>>41308971
What is this?
Christian, 32nd Degree Mason, and Magician !!zkCq9POhUTV No.41309913 [Report]
Anonymous No.41310074 [Report]
>>41307581
>Christianity is the anti-magic religion
except when it uses magic:
9 grades of prayer
interior castle/dark night of the soul
Miracles
prayer
religious ecstasy/religious experience
talking in toungues
exorcism
holy objects
faith healing
"the blood of christ"
feeling the holy spirit
baptism
communion
etc
Anonymous No.41310089 [Report]
>>41306283 (OP)
- Reading the Bible.
- Our Daily Walk - F.B. Meyer
https://www.theologicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/e-books/meyer_f-b/our-daily-walk_meyer.pdf
- Neville Goddard Collection https://archive.org/details/neville-goddard-collection
God Bless.
Anonymous No.41311194 [Report]
>>41307581
Jesus, trying to gatekeep magick like it’s your favourite black metal band when it’s how existence even works
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41311608 [Report] >>41311781
>>41309763
>Inb4 you disregarding the old testament

See:>>41309062
>but will still consider any passages you present for refutations.
Slang shit all you want, but you're the coward here.

Cite your passages glowfag
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41311781 [Report] >>41311821 >>41321075
>>41311608
Alrighty I see the mention of Revelation 21:8, Revelation 22:15, Galatians 5:19–21

Still gathering research. Primary sources are so bloody hard to come by casually. See >>41308994
>He explains about what I was trying to relay about my hangups with translated sources. He specializes in Greek, one of the worse offending languages to translate from.

Pharmakoi (φαρμακοί): Used in Revelation 21:8 and 22:15
And Pharmakeia (φαρμακεία): Used in Galatians 5:20.
So for now I'll point towards

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

CCC 2116–2117

"... all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone
"

"...as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others—even if this were for the sake of restoring their health—are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion
"


The big thing here is respect of free will and rach person's or creature's Sovereignty
This isn't contradictory to magic werks. Yes most practices are a forcing, enslaving, or taming of woo forces, demons, etc. . .but that doesn't mean that's the only way to work.

In the words of his Holiness the Pontifex, "Let us #PrayTogether that, inspired by Saint Francis, we might experience our interdependence with all creatures, who are loved by God and worthy of love and respect"

As well as: "Care for creation is a true vocation for every human being. Our commitment must be carried out within creation itself, never forgetting that we are creatures among creatures, not the Creator. #SeasonOfCreation"


As I highlighted from OP:
>>41306587
>i don't think for a second that the old gods are evil, or that theyre demons

We are all literally all creatures in God's creation. Showing respect and offering love and acceptance or just the honor of acknowledgement is a Virtue. 1/2 text limit
Anonymous No.41311813 [Report]
>>41306283 (OP)
Sure.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41311821 [Report]
>>41311781
Remember the Catholic Virtues of Fortitude, Temperance, and Charity.

Humans, Adamah, were given the task of giving names to all Creation. It were later humans that assigned nagative connotations to those names. Through no fault of those creatures. Quite a shame that requires repentance or reconciliation through the Faithful that recognize the transtemporal injustice.

That's why I didn't suggest the Solomonic Keys. While potentially linked to King Solomon, they're all still rejecting true free will of those forces.

The Abramelin Operation, however doesn't. It's about healing oneself to such a degree that they can commune with their Guardian Angel, you know, the one every single human is assigned, and working with them to confront your own demons. And that's a beautiful thing.


I will reiterate the need to remain centered, remembering one's oaths and whatnot from the Various Sacraments. When unsure, those are always a safe spot to reflect in.
Anonymous No.41311838 [Report]
>>41306283 (OP)
No your not stupid jew bitch
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41311858 [Report] >>41311983
AMDG

>>41309385
https://youtu.be/YkE8RW1pxAs?si=pC9hjUslxzi93F4q

Leaving this here.


To my Christian and Catholic brothers. . .did your Church advertise this beautiful, cross-denominational concert at the Vatican? Mine sure as hell didn't. Ask yourself why that is. . .


It was the very first time in History that any concert was held in the Square.

It was signed off on by the last two Popes. It wasn't a spur of the moment decision.
Now see if you can spot the moment of Tongues Pharrell has in his opening speach. It'll sound similar to a lisp, after all he is wearing a gold grill. But I grew up with a lisp, and there is a singular moment where that isn't the tongue hangip he is having. . . don't forget he is a performer of many decades. Arena level. He always speaks with clarity and intent.


Grace for The World

Jubilee2025

LDS
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41311866 [Report]
Sauce
Anonymous No.41311983 [Report] >>41312020
>>41311858
>Light is an important word in the Masonic system. It conveys a far more mystical meaning than it is believed to possess by the generality of readers. It is fact the first of all the symbols presented to the apprentice and continues to be presented to him in various modifications throughout all his future progress in his Masonic career. It does not simply mean, as some might be supposed, truth or wisdom, but it contains within itself a far more abstruse allusion to the very essence of Speculative Masonry and embraces within its extensive signification all other symbols or the order. Freemasons have been called "the sons of light," because they are, or at least entitled to be, in possession of the true meaning of the symbol; while the profane or uninitiated who have not received this knowledge are, by parity of expression, said to be in darkness.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41312008 [Report]
The Catholic Church recognizes several forms and expressions of prayer, as outlined in the Catechism:

**Forms of Prayer:**
- Blessing and Adoration: Acknowledging God's greatness.
- Petition: Asking for needs, including forgiveness.
- Intercession: Praying for others.
- Thanksgiving: Gratitude for God's gifts.
- Praise: Glorifying God for who He is.

**Expressions of Prayer:**
- Vocal: Spoken words, like the Our Father.
- Meditation: Reflecting on Scripture or truths.
- Contemplative: Silent union with God.

- Liturgical: Official Church prayers like the Mass and Liturgy of the Hours (CCC 1174-1178).
- Devotional: Practices such as the Rosary, novenas, or Stations of the Cross.
- Spontaneous: Informal, heartfelt prayers.
- Mental: Involves interior reflection, overlapping with meditation and contemplation.
- Ejaculatory: Brief, fervent invocations (e.g., "Lord Jesus, have mercy").

For depth, see CCC 2650-2696

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Picrel is a great movie to consider when diving into martial arts as a lifestyle or life path
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41312020 [Report] >>41312029
>>41311983
Picrel

Illuminae
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41312029 [Report]
>>41312020
Derp
Anonymous No.41312076 [Report]
>>41306283 (OP)
can i be a black trany and also an Aryan Chad?
Anonymous No.41312658 [Report] >>41314614
>>41309834
GB1 film
Anonymous No.41312716 [Report]
>>41306283 (OP)
First post worst post. First thing is to stop pretending everyone likes Christians.
Anonymous No.41312728 [Report]
>>41308439
exactly. He will also get satanism and demon summoning. My philosophy is that if you can't do it yourself you are just a summoner. Eastern alchemy is best. "your hands can heal" is a very good start although its not considered alchemy.
Anonymous No.41313719 [Report] >>41314457
If you're not sure the Bible is the word of God watch: youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI
1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
How to know you're saved: youtube.com/watch?v=EAtR40sue5M

Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Jesus Christ is God who has come to earth from heaven in the flesh. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and is now in heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Romans 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Either choose this evil world and be punished along with it, or choose to submit to the will of God and be saved. Your own deeds, no matter how good you think they are, can NEVER justify you. You're corrupt and need to be saved. Romans 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in what HE did for you. Only He can wash away all of your sins with His blood. Salvation is a gift, it can't be earned. Do you choose the righteousness of God or your righteousness? Heaven or hell?

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

youtube.com/watch?v=BbPchtYsXNo
youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
Anonymous No.41313736 [Report] >>41314457 >>41314464
Magic is evil. Dont do it

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41314457 [Report] >>41318509
>>41313719
>>41313736
Blud saw Christian and immediately whipped out the heretical KJV. Didn't even bother to check what OP had said in the thread yet.

The OP is Catholic lmao. Ya'll are bloody bible-shortners. Do you even recognize the authority of Pope Leo?
Anonymous No.41314464 [Report]
>>41313736
A witch never committed colonial genocide or enforced jewish central banking on the world

Just saying
Anonymous No.41314614 [Report] >>41315087
>>41312658
What?
Dept. of Random Kindness No.41315054 [Report]
>>41308455
Then why did you Right Christcuck ignoramuses, fear witches and want to kill them all? Why did you believe the Christcuck crap? Maybe you should have repeated yelling, "Jeezus!, Jeezus!!! Jeezus!!!" at them instead of running to your Church or your government to beg that they torture and murder innocent people who allegedly worshipped "satan" because your alleged Omni-God refused to do anything about the Bad Ol' Deb'bil, because you were an incompetent farmer, or was down on your "luck", and needed someone else to blame for it all. "You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers and Good 'Christains', "These are people of the Land. The common clay of the new West. You know -- morons."
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41315087 [Report] >>41318593
>>41314614
Ghostbusters
Anonymous No.41315097 [Report]
>>41306283 (OP)
Don't. It'll ruin your life. Turn back to God.
t. did it and almost died
sage No.41315685 [Report]
>>41309763
You are wrong. I have won. You are now even further beneath me. Cope, seethe, dilate fakezoid.
Anonymous No.41316431 [Report]
>>41306283 (OP)
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos.php is a pretty good read.
Anonymous No.41316512 [Report] >>41317982
>>41306398
>Well isnt magic pulling from something bigger? (Ie. God).
If that's the case, then it's probably a good idea to put God first. To give thanks and praise to the giver of life, and respect the life which God gives.
Van Helsing No.41316600 [Report] >>41316607 >>41317999
>>41306283 (OP)
Learn the Adapa archetype. That's what Jesus was modeled after.
When adapa refused to eat and drink the "food and water of life" he refused cannibalism. He wasn't an archetype like previous sages. This is why Catholicism has mock cannibalism with the wafer and wine.
This archetype came about with Adam and Eve which were created uncorrupted until the serpent corrupted them with the fruit from the tree of good and evil. That's code for the human body and it's organs ect. "sweet bread". nom nom nom lol.
People believe that the Gods(the planets) are inside our bodies governing different parts of us muscles glands organs ect. so when you eat someone you are supposed to get the power from the Gods too. That's why cannibalism for the most part but also because of parasitic worms but that's a different topic.
Van Helsing No.41316607 [Report]
>>41316600
Checked praise kek. It'll lead you into protection magic like charms and talismans to ward of evil.
Anonymous No.41316653 [Report]
>>41306398
That's the point we can't create
So we have to implore of God or the devil
So it's priests and warlocks

We can manipulate
So technological prowess or general
understanding of science is close to magic
Anonymous No.41316664 [Report]
>>41309643
Perhaps you'll understand from that
comment I just commented if not lmk

I sincerely don't mean to be annoying
I'm not apologizing but clarifying
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41317982 [Report]
>>41316512
This guy gets it
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41317999 [Report] >>41318590
>>41316600
>People believe that the Gods(the planets) are inside our bodies governing different parts of us

I fucks with this.

Each planet could very well be minor collective consciousness egregores of sorts that influence independently thanks to the vastness of space.

Sol/sun being the main orbit being a higher rung or tier that encompasses it all, making it the easier force to begin working with/through
Anonymous No.41318046 [Report] >>41321084
>>41306283 (OP)
Bibliomancy is fun and an easy introduction for Christians/folk magic. Reading all the psalms in one sitting is also quite good for deeper initiation into the mystery of the word.
Anonymous No.41318509 [Report] >>41321127
>>41314457
>Do you even recognize the authority of Pope Leo?
I understand the authority of God, and you should too. Don't go with what people say, go with what the Bible says
Van Helsing No.41318590 [Report]
>>41317999
Checked. Praise kek. Picrel is from Vedic astrology. It might be different in different disciplines.
Anonymous No.41318593 [Report]
>>41315087
Ooooh shit. How did I not notice. I feel embarassed now. I thought it was some odd occult fashion show and that anon was implying that the elites are performing ceremoniess right in front of us. My eyes mistook the proton packs for one-pieces and the tan psntlegs as legs in stockings.
Anonymous No.41318652 [Report] >>41321062 >>41321075
>>41309062
>>41308864
There are many sources, namely THE BIBLE. This is common knowledge, too. Go into any major Christian church and tell them you practice magic and demon summoning. See what they think of that.

It's so easy to find information on this topic, there is even a wiki page dedicated to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_magic

And here's the best part, the NEW TESTAMENT forbids magic. So that faggot saying the source has to come from the new testament is a total moron or a liar and is most certainly a massive faggot.
>“But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death” (Revelation 21:8).
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41321062 [Report]
>>41318652
>So that faggot
Blud calling me a meatball while replying to said meatball.

Dive into just a modicum of primary translations and you'll see that wiki stance is just a catch all to disuade the fledgling researcher.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41321075 [Report] >>41321399
>>41318652
>(Revelation 21:8).
Lmaooo see:

>>41311781
>Pharmakoi (φαρμακοί)

Really should read a whole thread before slanging slurs. Or don't.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41321084 [Report]
>>41318046
>Reading all the psalms in one sitting
Even better if you can find a version that doesn't have the artificially added chapter/verse numbering.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41321127 [Report] >>41321198
>>41318509
>Don't go with what people say
Ironic if you stick with english bibles. Especially schism birthed ones


That's not to say that Logos doesn't shine through, but hard line stance declared in those false translations need to be heavily scrutinied, if that's a word kek
Anonymous No.41321198 [Report] >>41321346
>>41321127
Ironically enough just beleving things has effects on the world.
Never think of your enemies as evil as that powers up their eregores
Think of them as cringe.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41321346 [Report]
>>41321198
Damn straight to all of that.
Anonymous No.41321399 [Report] >>41321625
>>41321075
>Pharmakoi
I did read the thread. Apparently you don't know how to research as "pharmakoi" does not solely mean "to administer drugs."

https://biblehub.com/greek/5331.htm

You're just coping. It's so obvious. Magic and Christianity are incompatible. You can take a gnostic interpretation of the Bible but you can't be a garden variety American Christian (or Catholic) and also be a Magician without lying to yourself and others. There's nothing wrong with being a Magician or being a Christian. But to see you struggle to maintain your position like this is just embarrassing.
Z !bWG03ZB/gM No.41321625 [Report]
>>41321399
If the thread doesn't get slid by tomorrow afternoon, I'll do a deeper response. Appreciate the sauce tho
Anonymous No.41321879 [Report]
>>41306587
Hi, I'm the anon who wrote the post you're responding to. I'd say both the Catholic and Orthodox churches are wonderful entry points into a Christian-inflected magical framework. And, your point of view on old gods and demons suggest a flexibility of mind that lends itself well to grimoire practice; because really, there is a continuous relationship between the pagan magic of late antiquity in places like Alexandria and the grimoire magic of medieval Europe. These are my recommendations:
1. Greek Magical Papyri in Translation by Hans Dieter Betz
2. Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian Magic by Stephen Skinner (related to the above)
3. Ancient Christian Magic by Meyer and Smith (Coptic Christian stuff from 1st to 12th centuries)
4. Hygromanteia by Ioannis Marathakis
5. Techniques of Solomonic Magic by Stephen Skinner
6. Lucidarium Artis Nigromantice by Joseph Peterson
7. Supplementary: The Magic of Catholicism by Brother Ada (I like this one mostly for its instruction on consecrations and blessings)
I recommend the books above because they illustrate the continuum of magical practice from late antique pagan Alexandria to Christian medieval Europe. Many of them are available for download pdfs. Others you'd just have to buy. Many of them have practices you can try right away. There are many other books that I feel fill in a more complete picture of the synthesis of pagan and Judeo-Christian ideas and practices, but I'm keeping the list as short as possible. For right now, I suggest keeping up daily practices like prayer, rosary or the prayer rope, etc. Here's an example of what I mean by the synthesis of Judeo-Christian and pagan ideas from the Greek Magical Papyri:
https://www.coptic-magic.phil.uni-wuerzburg.de/index.php/2019/09/20/old-coptic-magical-texts-iv-the-bilingual-exorcism-of-pgm-iv/