Thread 41315987

How do you make someone want to be saved

>>41315987 (OP)
point them with a gun

>>41315987 (OP)
you dont, more over the desire to save those who want nothing to do with you is pure evil (the imposition of will), your assumption of their requirement of you is unnecessary to them.

>>41315987 (OP)
You don't. We are given free will, to an extent. Life is a mystery, everyone must stand alone. Now, just because those are Madonna lyrics doesn't mean they are not true. We used to have a lot more of it, maybe 150-200 years ago, and they've really whittled it down to the nub. Anyway, if someone wants to be a dumb ass motherfucker and walk in the big parade with a stupid shit eating grin on their face, the best thing to do is look at them and say
>you damn retard, you got shit all over your face
and then turn away in disgust.
Or, examine them closely before giving an obnoxious smirk and turning up your nose in disdain like you work at a country club or fancy restaurant and poor people show up dressed inappropriately.

>>41316277
>you dont, more over the desire to save those who want nothing to do with you is pure evil (the imposition of will)
That is what the weak say when they are forced to submit. Power writes morality. To impose will is not evil or good, it is simply victory.

>>41315987 (OP)
We are not allowed to override the free will. There must always be a choice. If you go around saving people, you will inherit the persons demons/burdens, but you will not be able to defeat/overcome them on their behalf. Instead, you will be slowly drained and discarded. You will be a husk, and the host will move on to their next victim.

>>41316372
thats what evil authoritarians who want to impose on others say, good power dosent need to impose, other will adopt its means on merit alone
exemplary merit is good, imposed authority is evil.
provide an example of one youved victoriously saved with the power of your morality.

>>41316397
>provide an example of one youved victoriously saved with the power of your morality.
A misunderstanding, really it's my bad for not making it clear enough. I never said anything about saving anyone. I do not impose will to uplift others or to prove morality. I impose will because it suits my benefit.
I have no interest in saving anyone.

>>41316416
>I have no interest in saving anyone.
this was evident in the merit of your previous statement alone. are you lost or triggered?
> evil (the imposition of will)

>>41316423
As I said, a misunderstanding. I just wanted to clarify that I am not Op, who wants to impose his will for the sake of saving someone else, while I only impose my will for my own benefit.
>evil (the imposition of will)
If one does not impose their will, then one is merely imposed upon. Calling it evil does not change the structure of reality. It only exposes your fear of being the one trampled.

>>41316437
>If one does not impose their will, then one is merely imposed upon.
tits or get the fuck out

>>41316443
Crude demands and barnyard taunts. You call that imposition?
The fact that you must beg already proves you are beneath me.

>>41316437
(i dont actually want 1 image of breasts on an internet filled with breasts) in the merit vs authority as a function of success in leadership debate merit is innately superior, and it boils down to one simple thing, do you know the greatest flaw in authority

>>41316451
if im beneath, that means you're riding

>How do you make someone want to be saved

converting breaks the commandments
you can only hint.

if they are wicked you must flee from them or their sins and karma will come onto you and destory your soul.

you the one asking must flee.
you cannopt help anyone who will not help them selves.

>>41315987 (OP)
N

>>41316455
No, I get that you were trying to make a point.
>do you know the greatest flaw in authority
Imo the greatest flaw of authority is that it believes obedience is guaranteed. Authority assumes permanence. It forgets that all control exists only while the controlled choose not to resist.
I am not here to praise or condemn authority. Power is a fact of nature. The strong impose, the weak submit. That is all. It is wiser to enter the game and seize advantage than to waste breath whining about whether the rules are just or evil.
>>41316457
lmao

:)

>>41316451
if you wish to rule the hearts and minds of men to your own empowerment and victory it may be prudent to being with understanding the hearts and minds of men.
tits or get the fuck out is not a "demand" for you to reveal yourself, quite the opposite, its an equation that results from you having revealed yourself. im equating your clearly limited female perspective to the value of free breasts on the internet
>If one does not impose their will, then one is merely imposed upon
this line, right here, unless wholy broken by single mothers in broken homes, every boy, before hes even hit puberty learns mutualism, to work together to common goals as a group with no leader or rules - its how we play

>>41316466
nice gets, basically ya - theres no order you give once, once ordered you will ever after have to order.

>>41315987 (OP)

Horses run faster than females..

>>41316372
Only a very few are able to keep their god at bay and delay being devoured, and they do it by pouring a river of innocent blood into a gaping maw of gnashing teeth.
These few have realized their game has changed, the game pieces are not responding as they once did, the checkered board is not sitting evenly in perfect alignment for their machinations.
In a world run by clocks, nothing good lasts forever, nothing bad lasts forever. Such is the nature of time. But even the clock that keeps time is bound by a set of laws, and will in time become inoperable.

>>41316471
>if you wish to rule the hearts and minds of men to your own empowerment
Don't lecture me. I have no interest in governing others. I rely on no one and expect nothing from anyone. I do not trust goodwill, and I do not bet on loyalty.
>its an equation that results from you having revealed yourself.
In that case, feel free to see me as a kind of nudist. I have nothing to hide; I come to you openly and honestly.
>every boy, before hes even hit puberty learns mutualism
And I am not stranger to that. My ideal society would be a collection of associations of egoists bound only by mutual benefit.

>>41316490
>Don't lecture me
attempted authorization denied hypocrite, you began this conversation with a lecture, if there was any merit in your words you would have lead via example.
>I rely on no one and expect nothing from anyone
how will you achieve power sufficient for "victory" ?
> and I do not bet on loyalty.
dat f[r]oidian slip
> I have nothing to hide
no ones insinuating you have "this was evident in the merit of your previous statement alone."
> I come to you openly and honestly.
too attempt to authorize the nature of morality and power in responce to a statement about why you cant save someone who dosent seek you out because you were triggered by the definition of evil - the imposition of will
ps, cause you clearly dont care; good - will willingly shared
>My ideal society would be a collection of associations of egoists bound only by mutual benefit.
thats actually based as fuck
>That is what the weak say when they are forced to submit. Power writes morality. To impose will is not evil or good, it is simply victory.
just ignore this shit and start living your ideals and through your exemplarily success alone others will flock to you on merit
pps if your not a stranger to mutualism why you say shit like
>If one does not impose their will, then one is merely imposed upon

>>41316521
I am a hypocrite and I don't care about leading via example, so what?
>just ignore this shit and start living your ideals and through your exemplarily success alone others will flock to you on merit
>just ignore this shit and start living your ideals and through your exemplarily success alone others will flock to you on merit
I don’t seek followers, to be honest. As I said, if I could have my way I would rather sever all ties with society and live by my own strength. If anyone comes with me, it will be only those who see things the same way.
I also don't care about success that much. I already accepted death and failure. I have much more joy in the pursuit of things than in the thing itself.
>pps if your not a stranger to mutualism why you say shit like
There is a time for both. Mutualism is only possible if someone shares a similiar goal, thereby you might create a win win situation that benefits all parties involved.
If something isn't to my advantage. I migth see it as necessary to impose my will to get my way.

>>41316544
>As I said, if I could have my way I would rather sever all ties with society and live by my own strength. If anyone comes with me, it will be only those who see things the same way.
I am reffering to these egoist associations I mentioned.

>>41316544
>I don’t seek followers,
what i was doing there was skipping to the end of a conversation we havent really had but if you are a human and you actually want real power on earth, you kinda insinuated you did in your first post, the way you achieve this is to get a whole bunch of other people to (want to) carry out your will.
what did power mean to you (when you tossed your blog {more engaging} post out in the how to save the gothdfc chika thread)
>There is a time for both.
>If one does not impose
your initial definitive language was more powerful.

>>41315987 (OP)
Like another anon said, you don't. Some people will choose the left hand path out of ignorance or out of preference and you have no right to interfere or risk facing karmic consequences.

>>41315987 (OP)
Save someone from what ??

>>41316562
I guess I could clarify what I believe and how I make sense of things.
Imposing will is the essence of all life. The grass steals nutrients from the soil. The wolf tears the throat of the deer. God himself imposes his will on every living being by binding them to fate.
Personally, I am not interested to rise to the top of human society to impose my will on everyone. Not out of any moral reasons, but because I don't think I would have much fun with it.
I simply accept the nature of things. There are always individuals who attempt to impose their will upon you. Why should I not make it a battle of wills when someone obstructs my path?
In the beginning I was mainly arguing agains the imposition of will somehow being evil.
>what did power mean to you (when you tossed your blog {more engaging} post out in the how to save the gothdfc chika thread)
I am so full of myself in this moment. I don't even want to convert anybody. I just have fun preaching for the sake of it.
I'm not overly obsessed with power; it's merely a useful tool and a necessity to achieve one's goals.

>>41316341
Id just beat his ass for being a retard

Im exercising my free will