Thread 41325189

Alright /x/, it is time for a Freemasonry grand general

I have been to 4plebs, read the threads, seen videos, talked to people, been to discords, subreddits and telegram groups and I sincerely cannot for the life of me find any proof of this organization being nefarious in any way other than well written articles and books. I need hard core proof. I mean hard core direct proof, in the form of video or direct testimony.

I want this thread to serve as a freemasonry general for all the future seekers of truth to find and understand, if it is indeed nefarious then the proof will be in this thread, if not then the counter argument will be here as well.
Come to this thread, and dump everything you have, be it pro or against, I want to tickle your brains and make you open up.
What is it that you know? What are these grand secrets that this group possesses? How is it tied to the paranormal? What is the real true situation behind lodge doors?
From my extensive and I do mean extensive research, it is a larp group by men who use esoteric metaphors to talk about improving ones self. Where is the luciferianism? where is the sacrifice and the bloodshed and the Machiavellian global domination?

I am seriously not seeing it, any help?
If you are going to post, post something concrete, because anybody can "write up" anything. I want to see proof

>>41325189 (OP)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OACSI6KpWzU

For the records, the punishment of Arachnae was because of the poison and venom she cast into the tale she wove of the Gods/Goddesses being the bad/evil ones.....

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sqZl-gXGdSE

>And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....
>Genesis 1:26

The implication, and thus the sacrilege, being rather obvious......

>>41325237

But then, that is indeed, the "joke" about how "good" mankind is, when they're being "good".

>List of names of Athena
>Athena Soteira: Athena the Savior

>>41325276

Though the origin of Athena's epithet "Pallas" is obscure,[3] according to a fragment from an unidentified play of Epicharmus (between c. 540 and c. 450 BC), Athena, after having used his skin for her cloak, took her name from the Giant Pallas.[4]

This story, related by Apollodorus and Epicharmus, is one of a number of stories in which Athena kills and flays an opponent, with its hide becoming her aegis.[5] For example, Euripides tells that during "the battle the giants fought against the gods in Phlegra" that it was "the Gorgon" (possibly considered here to be one of the Giants) that Athena killed and flayed,[6] while the epic poem Meropis, has Athena kill and flay the Giant Asterus, using his impenetrable skin for her aegis.....

Asterius's name translates to 'starry',[1] and thus 'glitterer, bright'.[2] His name is also spelled Aster (Ancient Greek: Ἀστήρ, romanized: Astḗr, lit.'star'),[3] and another number of ways (see below). All variants derive from the word ἀστήρ, meaning 'star',[4] which is itself inherited from the Proto-Indo-European root *h2ster- (“star”), from *h2eh1s-, "to burn".[5] Asterius' name thus shares an etymology with the names of Astraeus, Astraea, and Asteria.

>List of Names of Athena
>Pallas Athena or Athena Asteria..... know as...

Athena, Brightest of the Heavens.

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>>41325276
>>41325237
Essentially nothing useful to the thread?

>>41325189 (OP)
>I sincerely cannot for the life of me find any proof of this organization being nefarious
Then you haven't looked very hard. Read Albert Pike.
>direct testimony.
Read Albert Pike.

>"To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General (33rd Degree Masons), we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees: 'The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.'" ~ Albert Pike

>"Strange and mysterious name to give to the spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" ~ Albert Pike

>"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." ~ Albert Pike

>"Fictions are necessary for the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. In fact, what can there be in common between the vile multitude and sublime wisdom? The Truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason." ~ Albert Pike

The early days of Freemasonry were blatant. They didn't begging trying to hide their true agenda until years later - but it was obviously too late.

>>41325545
Albert pike is one fucking dickwad from the southern jurisdiction of an appendant body of masonry called the Scottish Rite, even people in that jurisdiction, in that body still shat on him and everything he wrote are his opinions alone. These opinions aren't taught today in masonry, aren't taught in the Scottish Rite and aren't relevant. This is the equivalent of a priest in Rome saying Jesus was a tranny and then everyone barking about how the Christians worship a tranny.

If one moron said one thing, it doesn't represent the entire masonry

>>41325189 (OP)

nobody is going to answer you, this is a board of schizoaffective gooners that have no idea what the fuck is happening in the world, and actual freemasons take oaths everyday to avoid people like you. Sadly, you will not get your answer, perhaps ever.

>>41325589
>Albert pike is one fucking dickwad from the southern jurisdiction of an appendant body
Very disingenuous. His works were published by Freemasonry and can still be found in Masonic Libraries. I have literally checked it out. My city houses our states Grand Lodge and Library.
They "disavow" him publicly, but the fact that he's kept in their libraries is telling. And this is just in the public section of their library - who knows what's in the back where only high ranking Masons are allowed.
>Scottish Rite
The Scottish Rite pushes this agenda the hardest. Our founding fathers were Scottish Rite, and look what we wound up with as our nations capital.
>Founding fathers were 33 degree Masons. 1776 is the year the Bavarian lIIuminati was founded. Statue of Liberty is Lucifer. Washington monument is an obelisk with a reflecting pool. The layout of DC is a pentagram. The Capitol sits in the belly of an owl. The great Seal and slogan.
Freemasons can't create anything without cramming it full of Luciferian symbolism.
>These opinions aren't taught today in masonry, aren't taught in the Scottish Rite and aren't relevant
You literally wouldn't know.
>This is the equivalent of a priest in Rome saying Jesus was a tranny and then everyone barking about how the Christians worship a tranny.
No. This would be like if the Vatican was full of Satanic imagery and everyone started saying that their organization was just a front. Oh wait.

>>41325189 (OP)
>>41325556

>>41325529

Everything to do with the thread, for those who have eyes to see with.

>>41325656
I sincerely don't mean to shitpost, but hear me out
>Very disingenuous. His works were published by Freemasonry and can still be found in Masonic Libraries. I have literally checked it out. My city houses our states Grand Lodge and Library.
There are Qurans, Hadiths, Hindu texts, and I even found "The Secret" in a masonic library, am I to assume that they are teaching these things?
Nope.

>They "disavow" him publicly, but the fact that he's kept in their libraries is telling. And this is just in the public section of their library - who knows what's in the back where only high ranking Masons are allowed.
There is no high ranking there is only master masons and their decorative extra curricular activities in appendant bodies. The highest "rank" is the third sublime degree of Master Mason, during lodge the "highest" title is that of the worshipful master, and this is only during the lodge hours. There is no "Secret library"

>The Scottish Rite pushes this agenda the hardest. Our founding fathers were Scottish Rite, and look what we wound up with as our nations capital.
This is akin to fanatics in the Christian faith, say "Opus dei" doing shenanigans and then the world thinking "Oh no, look at those crazy Christians", again they do not represent "masonry"

>Freemasons can't create anything without cramming it full of Luciferian symbolism.
I need proof

>You literally wouldn't know.
I have spoken to SR members, read their books. There is nothing and I mean nothing luciferian. I am here literally asking for proof, show it.

>No. This would be like if the Vatican was full of Satanic imagery and everyone started saying that their organization was just a front. Oh wait.
I don't give two shits about the Vatican, this thread is about nefarious masonry and direct proof

Again, nothing yet.

>>41325760
>>41325760
>I have spoken to SR members, read their books. There is nothing and I mean nothing luciferian.
I literally just quoted multiple direct Luciferian references from multiple different Freemason books.
You believe they are just a metaphors, or whatever, which is fine - but to continue saying that they're not there at all IS disingenuous. Actually, it's a blatant lie lol.

>>41325838
>I literally just quoted multiple direct Luciferian references from multiple different Freemason books.
You really didn't
You mentioned albert pike, who is 1 guy out of the millions of freemasons out there, this same 1 guy has been literally shat upon and disavowed by every other mason as "a dumbass".

You essentially picked the crazy idiot and made him the mascot to masonry.

Give me DIRECT PROOF of this luciferian agenda, this thread was to finally and permanently get to the truth beyond any reasonable doubt whatsoever. I want court level proof. Do you have any? (That isn't "oh look at that one book they have in the library")

Mason knowers. Who the fuck is Jibbalum/Jubbalum? I heard it in a masonic ritual recording and it was the most ridiculous thing in the world.

>>41325865
>I want court level proof.
.....I'm not even going to reply to this.
put it in the field if you're gonna reply to this retard.

>>41325865
>>41325917

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GY9CvM7T9mk

I'm sure there's a joke about the "Satanic Agenda" and the Goddess of "Hellas", fairest of the "Hellens", who's more than willing to accuse and oppose the Abrahamics based on their "letter of the law".

>No, see in America, we don't believe that the "ends justify the means" when it comes to people because we believe that the Creator and the Gods endowed us with something called "Rights".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atlantis

>Of course she opposes Rape, Slavery and Murder......

>>41325189 (OP)
https://ignitedinchrist.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/FREEMASONRY-20-April-2022-PDF.pdf

>>41325189 (OP)
https://youtu.be/dvUNRekfEE8?si=bZg-iuc_ddayqkFY

>>41325189 (OP)
https://youtu.be/VtgBdUtw26c?si=wQwsSC7pR_FMLBW3

>>41325189 (OP)
>proof
>Operation Tiberius was a 2002 internal London Metropolitan Police investigation, leaked to The Independent in 2014. It found that criminal organisations had used Freemasonry connections to "recruit corrupt officers".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tiberius

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/revealed-how-gangs-used-the-freemasons-to-corrupt-police-9054670.html

>>41325189 (OP)
its just a bunch o blokes nothin scary

So the freemasons worship yahweh, right?

>>41325189 (OP)
I'm a master mason, ask me anything you like OP

>>41325877
This is the name of two of the figures in the allegorical play put on for the third degree. They're basically a couple of the "bad guys" in the story. Just some dudes, nothing special. Technically this is part of the "secrets" of masonry, so I can't give you details about it but this shits easy enough to find online.

>>41327785
Negative. Freemasonry is not a religion. It requires new members to believe in a higher power that is the single "Grand Architect of the Universe" but they may call it what they wish: Allah, God, Yahweh, Brahma, whatever. There's no proscriptive religion or belief system, and on-going belief in God is not even a requirement for continued membership.

Hello there femanon I only have one question.
Is pulse chain worth the holdl or wat
Not asking for financial advice just curious of youR opinion

>>41327513
Bride of Christ correct?

>>41329164
pulse is trash, and you're still a tranny Bree, not a woman.

>>41329171
In all my years of masonry I have never heard of this child bride faggotry anywhere.

>>41329171
It's likely frankist kabbalah.

>Know this: the true Messiah couples with the Ancient One. He stands in for the Shechinah [that is, the Female], and with him there to receive it, the ejaculate [of the Ancient One] is not uncontained”–as it once was, at the Shattering of the Vessels. Now it is safe. Now we can receive it. (Va-avo ha-Yom el ha-Ayin)

https://eibeschuetz.com/tag/va-avo-ha-yom-el-ha-ayin/

>>41329206
Nevertheless it exists.

>>41325189 (OP)
>direct proof, in the form of video
>freemasons are boy bride paedo's

https://youtu.be/DUPczEvIhmY?si=MZGxuIOiLpMuwfG7

>>41329206
Then you're ignorance is now on full display.

>>41329626
Than your*

Kek

>>41325545
regarding your third “quote” from him, Pike died 50 years before world war 2, is this really the aptitude of a Pike reader?

the quote reads too fantastically for the man who hates freemasonry anyways, falsely attributed or just made up, it is surely not of a genuine nature

i’m anti-mason btw

>>41325589
not true, Pike is venerated by masons to this day, they have a lodge with his name and they are restoring a statue of him this year. there also used to exist an Albert Pike highway

>>41325545
And what is exactly wrong with that? The more I keep on digging into religion, the more I think it's sold completely in reverse and, if anything, Gnostics have had it right all along. Lucifer, Prometheus, all those figures are the awakeners to what is really going on.

That said, most of Freemasonry is really a social side with Kabbalah-inspired allegory drape cast over it. Are there evil Freemasons? Sure, evil people are everywhere if looked long enough. Is the organisation as a whole evil? No, it's not.

this thread and board are clearly infested with mason pests. satan will not prevail.

>>41325189 (OP)
I only really have a disconnected series of Trivia in Latin American Masonry and an anecdote from a friend.
>where is the sacrifice and the bloodshed and the Machiavellian global domination?
No Léo Taxil stuff. But the relation between Masonry and both entrenched power groups and radical revolutionary conspiracies is a very real thing in European and Latin American Masonry. The secret society dedicated to building a unified and secular Italy the Carbonari derived from a Scottish rite lodge. Masonic lodges served as a good point of reunion for revolutionaries exiled after '48. They wer every active in anti-clericalism here. Which is a large reason for why te Catholic Church used to hate them.

They are also a good place for networking, which why every so often you get a scandal involving a masonic network.

>>41330901
Though imo a lot of these liberal Masons went against the spirit of Masonry. They were only there as passengers. In Latin America nearly all the famous Masons were only involved in very low ranks.
>>41325545
>The early days
>Posts a book from Eighteen seventy something
Babby's first dip into mason shenanigans. Wait until you learn the illuminatii actually existed.

>>41330789
you don't think people plan ahead?
do you think the war on terror was a reaction to 9/11?

>>41325589
how many masons had the honor to be entombed in the house of the temple in washington dc?

>>41330969
you cannot be this stupid, you’re claiming he planned for ww1 to happen and then planned for nazism in ww2? and then has a quote about these predictions and what will happen and isn’t world famous for predicting ww2? nice ragebait retard

>>41329135
Shut up freemason, I'm asking non-club members. Pretty sure jehovah is a sacred word for you guys

I enjoy reading Frank Higgins. Is he considered a good source within masonic circles?

>>41325189 (OP)
When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 400+ year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.

>>41329206
You must not be popular enough to get promoted lol faggot

>>41325189 (OP)
Have you read Robison?
>>41325545
Pike plagiarized Morals and Dogma from Eliphas Levi.

>>41325189 (OP)
There is no black ritual in Freemasonry, once you got to the 33th degree you are going to see the face of God, only after you'll have the choice to do good by enlighthening others or use the truth for yourself.

>>41331611
yes

>>41331616
it's a sacred word to satanists
they invoke his name for their black magic
there's nothing more satanic than using a holy name to work evil

>>41331862

Honestly, I don't know why American Masons seem to have any sort of problem with Odin, Free'ya, and the Valkyrie when they literally consider it their duty and obligation to literally drop everything they're doing, have all of one minute prep time, before going to shoot some tyrants for trying to charge one cent for tea without their express permission.

>List of names of Odin
>Vote'n God of Voting
>Hrami Fetterer, ripper