Thread 41333692

Why are humans so dumb, and why is there so much disinformation around food and diet? I swear every other species on the planet just knows instinctively what they need to eat, but this is something that escapes us. It is almost as if we are being given the wrong advice on purpose.

As far as I know humans are omnivores who learned to cook meat and plants, i'm not sure what the diet of humans closest ancestor was, probably something similar.

>>41333692 (OP)
People don’t need processed food to survive. She could’ve survived on raw food if her diet was diverse. Nuts, veggies and fruit is enough to give you everything you need. She just took it too far. I bet money she had tried shitty food. Most vegans I’ve met will eat garbage like PB&J, bean burritos and chips from crap sources and act like it’s healthy. There are healthy versions of those food but it’s not the processed versions

>>41333692 (OP)
>I swear every other species on the planet just knows instinctively what they need to eat
my retard, listen
put 2 plates in front of you
1 with bbq meat and the other with vegetables
which would you choose?
>imagine not thinking about this simple experiment that dispells all the fucking bullshit

>>41333722
Your criteria for being alive is very low, being 60lbs is not an ideal quality of life

>>41333692 (OP)
>>41333713
If you can't survive on a Huel diet, then you don't deserve to exist. Cooking is a disgusting bourgeoisie prejudice.

>>41333692 (OP)
Research what vegetables, fruits and berries were scavengable in the region your ancestors lived 2000-4000 years ago, and see if we have altered them with selective breeding. Consume the closest to the original as possible. Do the same thing for meats eat species only native to your genetic region. If you are mixed race, you probably will never have a group of foods that are perfect for you simply because of the combining of genetic predisposition to food intolerance of multiple regions.

>>41333736
Pol Pot died of stomach cancer

Why not ask this question in the other diet thread? Also >>>/fit/

>>41333734
You can get fat on an all natural diet
How much was she eating?
You’re making stupid assumptions based on a meme.
I eat meat most days but the truth about diet is nuanced. You can’t say all meat is good for all blood types

If you’re on this board you should already know that humanity is mix different alien genetics. Different blood types respond differently to the same foods. This bitch took whatever diet she was on to the extreme but you can do a raw food diet and live. You just need to incorporate more fatty protein sources. How many and what variety of nuts and seeds was she eating? Was she on drugs of any kind? These are answers I would need answered to understand her particular situation but apparently you know everything

>>41333728
I would eat some of both.
Why are you fatasses so obsessed with acting like our choice is either meat or veggies when the best diet has both involved

>>41333754
>evolutionary biology diet
The blood type diet was healthier for me.

>>41333780
She was only eating fruits, nothing else, likely only one or two per day

Optimal diet is omnivore. Some meat (or fish) some fruit, some herbs and vegetables, some starches (potatoes or other tubers) some nuts...grains are not necessarily bad either but it's best not to eat too many carbs

I like to eat ass.

>>41333754
Pretty much this. Look to what your particular ancestors were eating for the longest period of their existence. That's what you're going to be most adapted for.

>>41333993
I love thoroughly tenderizing a good rump roast myself.

There isn't one neither biologically nor energetically.

>>41333728
>fatasses
i've lost 135 lbs
shut your bitch ass up you clueless retard
you cant argue against nature

>>41333692 (OP)
Religious people hate to hear this, but humans were NOT intelligently designed. There is no perfect diet because of this. We adapt to what we have.

One thing that may have been imbued in us by a god is body wisdom. They did an experiment where toddlers were kept in isolation and offered a variety of foods, and what they selected contained exactly the right amount of nutrients they needed. You have the power to do the same, but it requires sacrificing ALL artificial and processed foods. Those trick your body into thinking it’s receiving one thing when it’s actually not. So switch to a 100% whole, real foods. You’ll unlock your body’s innate wisdom. Listen to the cravings once you re-familiarize yourself with natural foods. It’s practically a paranormal sense.

>>41334102
what nature? (∆)!77778839777

manifolds are manifesting, scrunching inn deep folds, sleeping man ??!!


eye of ra, lotus crowned and adorned in suns

>>41334107
>They did an experiment where toddlers were kept in isolation and offered a variety of foods

>>41333692 (OP)
>why is there so much disinformation around food and diet? It is almost as if we are being given the wrong advice on purpose

>>41334144
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1626509/

>>41333722
this guy voted for biden

>>41333692 (OP)
beef meat, fish, fat, organs, eggs, water, salt, cheese and yogurt (keffir)

>>41333722
Alright you bunch of fucking retard imbeciles.
Here goes the absolute anti vegetarian trvthnvke.
Have you ever wondered why you have a gallbladder
1) specifically design to digest animal fat and meat
and
2) alkaline enough to transform your DIGESTION into alkaline digestion?
No you haven't. That's why the whole of humanity eat like retarded fucking faggots, except a few who understand basic human biology.
Veganism is an evil abomination as it goes directly against Nature.
Fucking stupid retard pieces of shit.

>>41333787
>the best diet has both involved
not true, also you can survive eating only meat and be perfectly healthy, the same can't be said for veggies and fruit

>>41333722
>Nuts, veggies and fruit is enough to give you everything you need

You are fucking delusional

>>41334294
this
>>41334288 since some years ago, never been healthier, I look younger and have a lot of energy

>>41333722
this guy gets cucked

>>41334294
Lots of fat is needed with that meat

>>41333692 (OP)
The real stupidity is the desire for 'longevity' -- i.e., extending the sentence of incarceration on Earth.

>>41334292
>gallbladder
The final nail in the salad worshipper coffin.

>>41334292
Posting stuff like this is what got me gangstalked.

>>41333692 (OP)
The most effective and /x/ tangental diet I've ever used was just hormonemaxxing. This works for both men and women, a few of each in my family tried out my suggestions (which were more than just diet for each of them) and agreed it worked better than anything else they've tried.
Essentially, all of our hormones are made of fats and those fats come from animal fat in the diet. Yes there are some exceptions and so on, but in the general sense that is the case. Because of this, simply reduce diet down to meat/eggs/dairy(if you can eat it)/veg/fruit/potatoes and rice for starch. The meat doesn't count unless it is actually animal flesh, as in you-can-see-the-muscle-fibers. Pink slime nuggets do not count. Fruit/veg is probably going to be a MUCH smaller part of this diet than the average person would expect. Definitely don't do any carnivore nonsense but don't force yourself to eat massive amounts of fiber just for the boomer memes.

>>41333754
In my region, my ancestors must have eaten pigeons and squirrels in that case.

>>41333722
>Reasons for low-protein diets in cults

>Psychological manipulation and control: Limiting food intake, especially high-energy macronutrients like protein, can induce physical weakness and mental fatigue. A person who is constantly hungry and tired is less likely to question the group's leadership or ideology.

>>41333754
Fuck, does this mean anglofags should avoid rice? I subsist solely on rice and beef these days.

>>41334292
As a final note, (and you will come back to this thread as time proves me right) One should never consume hervibore milk, as the biota isn't compatible with the biota of a facultative carnivore (yes retards, humans are facultative carnivores).
Fiber and carbohydrates is a literal pro-cancer diet (acid digestion, no bile is present).
Biggest /x/ diet intel drop.

>>41333692 (OP)
Most humans lost the ability to listen to their own bodies some time ago, and a lot of people seem to coward in the face of introspection, so we get one and a thousand issues just like this

>>41334446
>(and you will come back to this thread as time proves me right)
This is so wildly pretentious it makes my head spin. There have been many times in life that I've learned something new or a news story pops up and I think "oh shit that anon on 4chan was right!"
I have never ONCE gone back to the thread to confirm for myself the exact same thing I read in the first place, however. Is that what you think of your 4chan posts? That they're immortal shrines of your intelligence to which people will return to pray in the future?
I'm not even shitting on your diet advice here. You have an ego problem. Indian?

>>41334497
I'm not a shitskin, but I'm a very bitter and angry person. I'm an asshole piece of shit, and arrogant and pretentious as fuck, yes.

Despite all of that, I hope every faggot reading my comments can benefit from their contents, including you.

>>41333692 (OP)
>why is there so much disinformation around food and diet?
Human diets have been massively warped via civilization. The natural human diet is pretty close to what all other primates eat: mostly fruit supplemented with whatever other foods can be gathered. When you consider a naked human without modern knowledge, there's little else we could reasonably gather. We have no natural weapons, no claws or teeth, we're hopelessly weak compared to actual predators. We have obvious adaptations for finding and gathering fruit: our eyesight, our fingers and hands and arms, our sensitivity to sweetness and preference for tart flavors, etc.

The confusion comes from the fact that we LEARNED to make tools and to hunt and to grow crops and these things were learned so far in our past that tens of thousands of years of human history are based around diets that were enabled by learned behaviors. These behaviors and the diets they enabled allowed us to expand outside our natural habit (tropical regions) but from the standpoint of health, they're not optimal.

You tell people that eating grain and large amounts of meat isn't natural and they're confused because these foods have been staples of the human diet for quite literally the entirety of recorded history. There are regional and racial variations and most people don't have the perspective to understand that the food their ancestors have been eating for the past 6,000 years is not healthy or natural. These days there's a political slant too, with vegan types being generally left wing which causes reactionary right wingers to learn in super meat heavy diets as a response.

>>41333754
Here's a nice example of this sort of confusion. Our digestive systems were fully developed hundreds of thousands of years ago. What people in your region were eating 2000 years ago has little relation to the diet your body evolved around.

Research on the benefits of a high carb, low fat diet heavily agrees with this type of diet.

>>41334536
The gallbladder just dismissed your whole normalparroting.

>>41334492
For them to fear introspection, they would have to actually know what introspection is. It would have to be more than just some meaningless abstraction to them. 98% of modern people don't even know what introspection is.

>>41334536
>We have no natural weapons, no claws or teeth, we're hopelessly weak compared to actual predators.
Bro what are you talking about all you need is a bunch of people with sharp sticks to kill a fucking lion, you can even watch the tribal people of Africa do it even today.

I appreciate you're trying to advocate for plant based diet without the political slant but most of your facts are just plain wrong.

>>41334292
>the vegan despises the gallbladder

>>41334492
Some say it started with industrial society, some say it started with agriculture, some say it started with civilization at all, perhaps we just keep straying further from our humanity.

>>41334107
This, wether you're a vegetarian, carnivore or omnivore we should all be able to agree that processes foods are usually inferior to real foods.

>>41333827
I think the oldest people in the world who live on that island have a similar diet, around a third animal products, around a third carbs/grains, and around a third plants/fiber.

>>41334292
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallbladder
I can't unsee this.

>>41334446
And wait until you connect the dots to NaCl underconsumption and degenerative illnesses
>lack of fat, the main hormonal precursor
>lack of salt, actual electricity conductor for nervous system

>>41334633
(((nutrition science))) hates it when you point them out. Stay safe out there frens.

>>41333692 (OP)
Ironically this image is pretty misleading as the ideal human diet is literally fruit, berries, and nuts. Humans are closest in genetics to Chimpanzees, and they are frugivores, although they can technically eat meat if they wanted to, making them omnivores, they prefer not to eat meat. Humans eat a lot more animal products than Chimpanzees do though.
You need to get all of your vitamins and nutrients though so you can't just eat one type of fruit you have to get lots of different things like you still need protein from legumes or other things.
All this being said I eat like shit and I eat meat and lots of sloppa. But I know the ideal human diet is fruit and berries and nuts and WATER mostly lol.

I argue this point a lot and no matter how simple I make it, people just don't understand. I'm not sure if it's a question of intelligence or conditioning but there are always two points people get stuck on, and here we have a nice example of both:

>>41334578
We have an illustration of what I meant when I said
>>41334536
>they're confused because these foods have been staples of the human diet for quite literally the entirety of recorded history.
This guy can't wrap his mind around the fact that tool use and hunting are learned behaviors that developed long after the point at which our digestive systems developed. We didn't spring into existence knowing how to make spears and hunt. Those tribal Africans might seem primitive but they're using space age technology and tactics compared to what existed 300,000 years ago.

And we also have the second point people get hung up on, this inability to break out of looking at diet as a binary choice between animals or plants.
>I appreciate you're trying to advocate for plant based diet
Because I was doing no such thing. You should absolutely eat animal foods. You should be eating meat every day, just like, you know, all other fucking primates. Just like orangutans, just like chimpanzees, humans are omnivorous frugivores. You should be eating mostly fruit. You should not be eating nothing but fruit. Humans have clear adaptations for eating meat but again, this is a complex and nuanced topic and the idea that some animal foods are good while too much is bad is something that people just can't get into their heads.

>>41334544
Here's another example of that binary thought in action. I said we should be eating a low fat diet, not a zero fat diet. Fat should be somewhere between 10-20% of your total caloric intake.

>>41333692 (OP)
>What is the optimal human diet?
ok i will tell ya.
Genesis 4:2
New Living Translation
Later she gave birth to his brother and named him Abel. When they grew up, Abel became a shepherd, while Cain cultivated the ground.

Cain lineage should eat veggies, like jews, sandjews, any other jew(modern jews).
People who descend from Seth(because Abel(also descended from Adam and eve) was killed, that is a son of Adam and Eve, while Cain is son of Eve and satan. so they have different lineages and different bodies and different physiology.

>Why are humans so dumb, and why is there so much disinformation around food and diet?
Cain descendants wanna make Seth descendants weak with wrong diet.
actually after the great flood on the bible, those lineages became even more mixed, because the wife of Noah was from Cain lineage and Noah was from Adamic lineage. so the lineages became mixed after the flood, at some level, some people will have more Adamic, others will have more Cain´s. because Cain´s lineage is very often wicked, they started intermarrying people who had more % of Cainnanite blood on their bodies, as to "repurify" a 100% Cain´s lineage. This is also why Kings and princesses of the past married only other "Royals" bloodlines. this was done on purpose to maintain a higher % bodies of people with higher % of Cainnanite lineage.
this also why common people get so confused, because mostly everybody is mixed at some level, and you need to find the balance of meat and vegies in your diet along your body.

>I swear every other species on the planet just knows instinctively what they need to eat
we also know you just need to fast for 3 days and your body will crave the correct stuff(if you are not addicted to chemicals aka goyslop).

>It is almost as if we are being given the wrong advice on purpose.
it is, exactly what it is.

>>41334292
Scientists know that humans are omnivores like Chimpanzees. Some animals are herbivores meaning they are truly vegetarians. But meat and animal products has cholesterol which is kind of bad because humans already make our own cholesterol naturally so by eating an animal we are getting theirs too which is fine unless you have too much and then it can kill you after many years, but yeah I eat meat all the time, just saying you shouldn't have too much meat though, humans are more similar to chimps which can also eat meat but they prefer to eat fruit naturally, lol.

>>41334693
>(((caloric)))
>(((muh middle ground, extremes are le bad)))
Thinking in calories won't get you anywhere.
>>41334705
>(((Scientists)))
The gallbladder sure gotcha yall outta the bushes

>>41334715
You sound fat. And the diet I'm suggesting is extreme by any modern standard so you're wrong on both counts.

>>41334292
Gee you got all them shills ruffled.
Dey trying to muddy the waters now.

>>41334292
I'd be more careful with my posts if I was you.

The ideal human diet is NOT the slop they are selling at Walmart and McDonald's.
It's a crime that these "fast food" restaurants have the audacity to increase their prices, and it's a shame they didn't go out of business for it.
They do not even sell real food they sell the most disgusting, unhealthy slop on Earth. And their clientele are retarded enough to eat there anyway even after they make their slop expensive too, it's currently worth about half of what they are selling it for nowadays, lol.

>>41334705
Physiologically humans are frugivores.
And in general you were on to something important there - if the body produces a nutrient on its own, it's generally not good to supplement it with that nutrient. Because the underlying process of producing that nutrient is itself important. It's akin to a large factory that is fully equipped to handle a number of processes, and then one day outsourcing one of those processes. Those workers will just be standing around doing nothing. Biologically that's not good.
There are a couple gray areas, like omega 3s. Your body 'does' convert some of the ALA into EPA/DHA but only in poor conversion rates. Often not enough. But you still want to moderate DHA consumption/supplementation to ensure your body is still doing it.
Chick in OP had a severe eating disorder her whole life, I remember that story, only known because idiots on social media think it's evidence against vegan diets or something

>>41334802
>Physiologically humans are frugivores.
And in general you were on to something important there - if the body produces a nutrient on its own, it's generally not good to supplement it with that nutrient. Because the underlying process of producing that nutrient is itself important. It's akin to a large factory that is fully equipped to handle a number of processes, and then one day outsourcing one of those processes. Those workers will just be standing around doing nothing. Biologically that's not good.
There are a couple gray areas, like omega 3s. Your body 'does' convert some of the ALA into EPA/DHA but only in poor conversion rates. Often not enough. But you still want to moderate DHA consumption/supplementation to ensure your body is still doing it.
Chick in OP had a severe eating disorder her whole life, I remember that story, only known because idiots on social media think it's evidence against vegan diets or something

>>41334802
>Physiologically humans are frugivores.
And in general you were on to something important there - if the body produces a nutrient on its own, it's generally not good to supplement it with that nutrient. >Because the underlying process of producing that nutrient is itself important. It's akin to a large factory that is fully equipped to handle a number of processes, and then one day outsourcing one of those processes. Those workers will just be standing around doing nothing. Biologically that's not good.
>There are a couple gray areas, like omega 3s. Your body 'does' convert some of the ALA into EPA/DHA but only in poor conversion rates. Often not enough. But you still want to moderate DHA consumption/supplementation to ensure your body is still doing it.
>Chick in OP had a severe eating disorder her whole life, I remember that story, only known because idiots on social media think it's evidence against vegan diets or something

41334824
41334817
41334802
the shilling must go on

>>41334833
Holy shit bro get it together, not literally everything is a coordinated shilling effort to stop you. I am the guy who posted >>41334824
I added the image of soiboy cuck to indicate what a faggot I thought frugivore guy was. Because I fucking agree with you more than him.
The missing post you tagged was me attempting to mock him but fucking up and forgetting to attach the image. I went back and deleted it myself because I fucked up. It will still be in the archive because I removed it, not a janny.
Sometimes people are out to get you but you're being ridiculous.

Frugivores' bile salts pH are adapted for vegetable fat. Carnivores' on the other hand, is adapted for animal fat.
Simple Natural fact for anyone to confirm by themselves.
Humans are facultative carnivores. period.

>>41334867
This thread feels like the beginning of a shit-stirring shitfest.

>>41333692 (OP)
Obviously raw animal products, and maybe a few fruits during warmer seasons.

>>41334878
haven't you noticed how they will post their opinions but mostly with falacies to back it up?

when shills notice something worth they start shilling with lies and truth among the posts, as to create a smokescreen of lies and truths to prevent you from discerning truth and lies correctly.
what you should do is use direct logical approach with already backed up knowledge from sheer observation.
don´t trust media opinions or science, trust your own observation and your own deductive logic.

i don´t like killing animals, but i already tried to stop eating meat, but for some reason my body craves it strongly. later i watched how the animals lived in the woods, those who eat meat and those who eat plants. the best logical i could get, is that i am very probable from the type that eats meat, but i also believe that are people who could survive well on plants.

this fact is observed and proven. because it´s a fact, there are animals carnivores and herbivores.
the rest is just a variation of those. what they call omnivore, i call 50% carnivore 50% herbivore.

Another thing you'll note, as evidenced by many posts in this thread, is that people who have politicized their dietary choices will react with incredible defensiveness and hostility to anything that challenges their choices. This adds another layer of complexity for normal people attempting to understand the topic, as it's filled with reactionary children who will cherry pick some small aspect of diet or the body and use it as the basis for incredible dishonest and hostile arguments.

See: vegans claiming that a lack of developed canines mean we shouldn't be eating meat, or carnivore retards claiming that the existence of the gallbladder means that we should be eating nothing but meat.

>>41334937
>we should be eating nothing but meat.
That anon never said that, tho. There you are using a fallacy.

>how many times and in what amount does a lion eat per WEEK?
There's another tidbit of truth for y'all to research.
Will give you insight on the actual amount of food a human needs to be well fed, nutritionally.

>>41334960
>>41334867
>>41334292
>>41334656
>animal fat-adapted bile
>salt
>different bile pH levels
>true human meal volume
All pottymouthing aside, have my upvote for providing us with solid digging ground.

>>41334949
Thanks for providing yet another example of the sort of aggressive, hostile dishonesty practiced by people who politicize diet. This guy >>41334292 frames his post as "anti veganism" and literally says that the human body is
>specifically design to digest animal fat and meat

These guys (you?) are the right wing equivalent of militant vegans and are just as disingenuous in their arguments as vegans are.

>>41333722
funny how this post triggered a lot of /pol/tards

>>41335005
Shills will hate this. Now anyone can Do Their Own Research, no matter how much seething and coping and well poisoning happens itt.

>>41333692 (OP)
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>>41335088
They don't like it when people cut through their bullshit. Clearly >>41333692 (OP) was a mentally ill person with an eating disorder. Whatever she was eating, clearly she wasn't eating enough of it. Would have ended up the same way regardless of whether she was eating fruit or steak or candy bars.

>>41333722
>i bet she tried shitty food
She barely tried any food, she had an eating.

>>41334292
you are right. if course you clearly have mental issues and cannot convey your thoughts in normal civilized manners. but you're right nevertheless. I personally switched on full Klaus Schwab mode and whenever I see vegans and plant eaters I shut up and let them do whatever they want, in fact encourage them a little because a carnivore or even a keto paleo diet leaves a big ass carbon footprint, that which our mother earth cannot handle on a big scale

>>41335229
Disorder

>>41334693
Absolutely terrible advice btw. I hope this is ai written by some midwit and it's not from a stem anon

>>41334292
You're fucked in the head.

It's really strange to me that nearly everyone is coming at this problem from the perspective that the healthiest diet MUST emulate that of monkies or our earliest human ancestors. That certainly doesn't have to be the case. A look at nature reveals that animals eat a diet that allows the to survive consistently. Evolution or whatever the fuck did not go for optimization. Evolution never minmaxes. You get the best for long-term survival. This, if you want to actually optimize your health, emulating people who lived the best they could for long term survival of the species and likely often lived with significant deficiencies over long periods is probably not the best approach.
Early humanity and the exact way diet evolved as evolution nurtured monkey->human are anthropological narratives based on the best evidence we have right now. Every year we get new evidence and also we get better at collecting evidence. The exact story of how we got here and what we ate along the way is likely to continue to develop but the ideal diet for us as we are now is static. Probably best to approach this from a purely human perspective.

>>41334433
>Fuck, does this mean anglofags should avoid rice? I subsist solely on rice and beef these days.
the problem is not rice, is rice that sprayed with those pesticides full of cyanide.
japanese rice is clean,organic and watered with clean water.
western rice is poluted with chemical water, non-organic manure and full of pesticides.

>I subsist solely on rice and beef these days.
damn i also the same, only that use eggs sometimes.

>>41334292
>Have you ever wondered why you have a gallbladder
To digest avocados

>>41335425
Maybe you're being ironic but humans didn't have any access to avocados until we reached South America. That's a pretty long way from Africa any way you cut it. And even back then avocados were not as thick and fatty and succulent as they are now.

>>41333757
Sounds like he could have used a pot.

>>41333692 (OP)
>What is the optimal human diet?
Personally, I haven't started eating humans, yet. It will probably be after the internet is down and society is collapsing. I'd say the best bet is to eat the ones who have had to go without food for a while. A good fasting cleanse will remove toxins, medications and general bad stuff from their systems. Younger meat is probably going to be more tender.
But until then I'd say eat what your ancestors ate a couple hundred years ago in your indigenous land.