Thread 41342466

Why was Yahweh aka GOD so afraid of Iron Human Chariots?

Doesn't sound so mighty to me, in fact he doesn't sound like a God at all. I bet modern military could blast his ass to pieces.

>>41342466 (OP)
Because it was harmful to his antediluvian body, probably.

>>41342473
I wonder if atheists are surrounded by or have more iron in their bodies than normal.

>>41342466 (OP)
He also got humiliated by Chemosh, another local desert deity. But christcucks like to pretend it didn't happen.

>>41342466 (OP)
That entire chapter of the Bible is dedication to the importance of belief and trust in God. The Israelites were tweaking about how difficult it would be to win so God didn't help them because it displayed a lack of trust.

>>41342559
Excuses.

>>41342614
The thing about people like you is that you read something that you don't understand then when someone explains it to you, you say it's an excuse. What if you're just wrong and the theologians who have been studying their own scriptures for the last 2000 fucking years actually know more about their own religion than you do?

>>41342466 (OP)
>>41232687

As my glorious presence passes by, I will hide you in the crevice of the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by.

>>41343021
As if they didn't have agendas. Explain >>41342520

This isn't the first and the last time Yahweh shows people how weak he really is.

>>41343091
Exact same thing lol. The Israelites were terrified of Chemosh and God told them multiple times that if they fought him with confidence in Him, they'd win. They didn't believe him and went into the battle afraid, then lost. I doubt you even knew what you're talking about is in reference to a battle between humans. You probably thought that in the Bible it literally said some stupid shit like Yahweh got into a fight with Chemosh and lost. You do not know what you're talking about. Everything you know about the Bible is through the lense of attempting to debunk it or smear the reputation of God, so all of the little gotcha facts and passages you keep in your back pocket for internet debates, assuming you even have any specific passages in mind and aren't just paraphrasing something you've heard, are totally out of context and would take thirty seconds of research to debunk.

Canaanites should've never existed

>>41342466 (OP)
>if only i could read a commentary that puts it all into perspective for me
the post

>>41343666
>i love sucking cut jewish dick, i love worshipping them and their plagiarised weakling god
the post

He wasn't and the Bible was corrupted a long long time ago. Even Jeremiah speaks about it. Other blasohemous corruptions include: Jacob wrestling with God and winning, Moses and his flock bowing down to the effigy of a serpent, and of course, the occultist's favourite, humans becoming like God after eating the fruit.

The Luciferians infiltrated all the governments on earth and you think they can't modify a book?

>>41343731
>Gets totally debunked
>"weakling god"
>Ignores new inconvenient information as if he had never been corrected

>>41343770
I didn't get debunked at all. That's just yours or someone else's interpretation. You christniggers will literally say to interpret something literally when it benefits you, but play a retard when something from the Bible doesn't fit your capeshit.

You are not serious people.

>>41343803
>The people who are actually a part of the religion and know what the texts mean are wrong so I can continue believing what I believe
>Not because I have any legitimate rational reason to disagree with them
>Over things that I don't actually understand and don't know anything about beyond whatever cherry picked material from a book I've never read that I think will support my position
>But because I've already decided I'm correct and any evidence to the contrary can be disregarded
You are genuinely insane

>>41343831
>people who are actually a part of the religion
Are not reliable source at all. The same imbeciles tried to prove shroud of turin is real. They failed.

You ignore Yahweh's aversion to Iron, the same story with fairies as someone else pointed out. You also ignore his germaphobia and demand of decontamination before people can see him in his tent. - That's all from Old Testament btw.

>>41343841
>The people who are part of the religion are not a reliable source on their own religious text
>"I NEED THIS TO BE TRUE TO SUPPORT MY OTHER UNRELATED BELIEFS FUCK YOU SHUT UP"
Just lol. You are a fucking moron. Totally insane.

>>41343831
>The people who are actually a part of the religion and know what the texts mean are wrong
You apply this to interpreting other religions too right?

Bronze age retard wars:
Dismounted troops fighting chariots on open ground is recipe for defeat
They decide to stay in hill terrain where chariots lack mobility advantage

>>41344141
What do you mean? That the people who are in them know what their own text says? Generally, yes. That doesn't mean I think what they believe is true, but within the context of their religion it is. If someone came to me and said
>AN ANGEL SPOKE TO MUHAMMAD!
I would internally disagree because the metaphysics of Abrahamic religion disallow revelations in the way they Muhammad had, but I wouldn't say
>That isn't true because I'm a Christian
It means nothing to a Muslim for me to say that, it's in their fucking fake and gay book.

>>41343841
A lot of the OT is from the perspective of a bronze age group encountering civilizations with iron age technology
>le evil gods taught le evil people to smelt steel!
Note this pattern in religious luddites where every new technology is "devil magic" until they learn to use it.
>internet is mark of beast!
>until they use internet, now ai is mark of beast
>until they use ai

>>41343803
>HEY YOU CHRISTKEKS CANT ANSEWR THIS!!!11
>gets answer
>THAT SHIT I KNOW BETTER LOL I WIN!!!
over and over again. you need to repent.

>>41344196
Religious luddite whackjob
>modern medicine?
>devil magic, go to priest instead!
>space? not real, devil magic invented space and science!
>earth is flat and reptilians live under it
>"le devil" rules entire earth and is decieving you to believe its round
>phones and computers are "devil technology", they tell you, while typing on a computer

Bronze age brain trapped in bronze age false reality.

>>41344183
>I would internally disagree because the metaphysics of Abrahamic religion disallow revelations in the way they Muhammad had
They disagree with you on that though and have apologetic arguments explaining why, shouldn't you listen to their understanding of their texts? For that matter, why are you listening to Christian commentators on Judges instead of Jewish ones? Who decides which text belongs to who? It's a very retarded way to approach interpretation because it's self-defeating and means you have to take the most biased, apologetic interpretation the most seriously.

>>41342466 (OP)
>Iron
Remember that elves and fairies (actually, not only them, but many mythical creatures) were afraid of steel and sharp objects. Yes, it's related. If there were spikes on the chariot, then he, as an elf, couldn't get to them. Steel is an antagonist.

>>41344269
You are conflating interpretation with description. You think that the reason that God didn't help the Israelites was because he couldn't, but it doesn't actually say that anywhere in the text. That would also fly in the face of the broader context of the narrative, the theme being the Israelites lacking confidence in God. That is, literally, the intended reading of those stories. You present scenes from those stories out of context to support your position, that God is weak. But when put back into context, it reveals the actual meanings of those passages. Meanwhile, I do not think Muhammad was given revelations by an angel because both Christians and Jews treat angels exclusively as messengers. That's what their name means. What I'm doing isn't even apologetics, you made an assumption that wasn't accurate based on the limited information available to you. Within Islam, Muhammad was a prophet. He wasn't, but me saying that to them doesn't make any difference because they have a different idea of what makes someone a prophet. Whether or not God could have helped the Israelites is unambiguous, he could have. But you don't know that because you don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about and haven't read the book you hate that disproves your assertion if you read the surrounding text of the passages you've had given to you by other retarded intellectually lazy and dishonest atheists over the internet.

>>41344339
You are arguing over specifics when I'm making a point about interpretative principles. If you want to say that a commentator being part of a religion associated with a text makes them more likely to be correct about that text then we should all be going to tafsir and hadith commentary literature to understand the Islamic texts, not to Christian apologists or secular academics or coming to our own conclusions. Of course this isn't what you do (or should do). When it comes to the Torah, that's a set of texts associated with both Judaism and Christianity and the Midrash predates Christian commentary on the Torah so you might as well go to that to understand tricky passages instead of the Church Fathers (yes I know Judges isn't Torah). So it's a self-defeating interpretative principle.

>>41344640
Sure you can do that. You should, if you want to understand what those texts are trying to communicate. That doesn't mean the texts are true. You did not understand what the texts you're using to support your position are actually trying to communicate, you picked them because outside of the stories they belong to, at a glance, they seem to make God look bad. It isn't an issue of interpretation, you are wrong about what the Bible is trying to say.

>>41342466 (OP)
>And the Lord was with Judah; and [Judah] drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but [Judah] could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
It was Judah, the tribe, that was unable to defeat the inhabitants of the plain.

>>41344668
You don't even know what my position is, you're just crashing out because you've assumed it isn't Christianity so I must fall into the onions fedora you've built in your head.

>>41342466 (OP)
Chariots and Iron are symbols of the Aryan man

>>41342519
Iron without, Iron within

>>41344740
>Crashing out
>Gets filtered
Lurk more newfag. I already know your position because you stated it multiple times. Your position is that God was too weak. But that isn't what the Bible says, or what the stories we're discussing are actually about. This is like reading the Three Little Pigs and insisting that the story is about how a wolf eats three pigs. That doesn't happen in the fucking story you HAVEN'T READ. YOU IDIOT.

>>41342473
>Judges
>Antediluvian
Bro

>>41342466 (OP)
Uh-oh, abrahamcucks are yet again exposed as being so weak-minded they become hopeless slaves to a weak "authority"

>>41342466 (OP)
Yaveh Is the demiurge

>>41345798
Of course He is. That is the mainline Abrahamic view. Always has been (or at least as long as the three Abrahamic religions have existed in a recognizable form).

>>41342466 (OP)
Because the writers just atributed his wins or loses to God? Which is ultimately true, everything that happens we like it or not, depends on God's will in the end

>>41342466 (OP)
It's been years since I read the Bible, but I remember God directly helping Deborah against iron chariots later in Judges and it worked

>Judeans lose against an army
>this is because God is weak
Lol no it isn't. God doesn't hand-hold the Israelites all the time. In fact the Israelites/Judeans have a constantly tightrope relationship with God which causes them to suffer his wrath several times. They are always worshipping Idols, they are refusing to atone for their sins, they are several times lead by very wrathful and careless monarchs which disturbs God and the faithful. He even allows the Babylonians to sack Jerusalem and destroy the Temple.

>>41346751
Nice cope.

>>41346857
It's a fact. But I digress.

>>41342466 (OP)
Escaping the anti christs rule because they are given a specific amount of time before the completion of the third temple.

Abrahamists will get PhDs in mental gymnastics for decades rather than just conceding that many sections of the bible simply don't make sense and are not consistent with the actions of an omniscient and omnipotent all-loving God

>>41342466 (OP)

They had attack helicopters? The back of a helicopter looks like a chariot.

>>41349130
They are like a battered wife defending their abusing husband. No wonder they call themselves "Bride of Christ". I can't think of any more pathetic religion, besides Buddhism. It's a religion of cuckolds, weaklings and people that are nobody.

>>41349130
>Losing the debate as hard you did and still insisting you won
Cope

>>41349408
Indian

>>41349745
I have nothing to do with your kind. I would love to see India getting nuked to oblivion and every pajeet in the West rounded up and beaten to death. Enjoy your day, kike lover.

>>41349758
Ok faggot

That verse is talking about Judah, the fourth son of Jacob, not about God Himself. At the start of the verse it does make mention of God being with Judah but it goes on to say that Judah "could not drive out" as in, Through a cowardly fear of their chariots and for want of confidence in God, Judah "could not drive out".

By the way, the original Hebrew of that text does not say expressly that Juda "could not" that is the nearest English translation, but that Judah could not "take by force" as in he needed to apply a physical action yet was cowardly to do so, for Judah had not the courage or the will. With God’s assistance, what had Judah to fear? and yet Judah still feared and so you get that verse.

>>41349130
if you actually think God can be defeated by man made objects, you lack reading comprehension to know that the description of "he took possession of the hill" and "he could not drive out" applies to Judah. You actually are retarded and should not be speaking on the bible if you can't even parse that out from the text.

>>41342559
Cope.

>>41343021
Then the bible lies. The text says that God could not drive them because they had iron thing. In order for the bible to be correct, the text would have to say something like: "God did not want to drive them because the people did not have faith so because people did not have God did not help". Something like that. But this makes me question, if people lack faith then why don't you give them a sign? This is the perfect opportunity to show to your people that you are indeed powerful. He creates limited beings and after that complains that people like faith? People will always like faith. THis is our nature and He gets mad because of this? God is dumb. I swear. God must be fake. I refuse to believe such a being exist. It has to be a fabrication by jews.

>>41349966
okay anon I know your retarded brain is blinded by your hate for God but lets use reason here for a second. What makes more sense, that GOD, all knowing all powerful all mighty, what defeated by chariots OR that Judah, a man made of flesh and bone and bleeds like you and I, was defeated by chariots? I know it's hard for you but think for one second.

>>41343140
>Everything you know about the Bible is through the lense of attempting to debunk it or smear the reputation of God.
We can reverse that and say to you that everything you know about the bible is through the lense of attempting to confirm it or exalt the reputation of God. See what I did? You accuse us of being biased, but you don't recognize your own bias.

>>41349966
>It has to be a fabrication by jews.
It is. Thanks to christcuck golems Jews hold all the power in the world.

They were an irrelevant backwater tribe of goatfuckers before Roman Emperors spread Christianity everywhere, then the Eurocucks did this in New World. Christians are the best golems of the Jews.

>>41349984
Ad hominem. You are calling me dumb because I ask questions. Same old story. You are just confirming what I said. That the bible is: a lie. It is a lie because if God was not the one defeated that day, but Judah then this shows that the author of the bible is a lier because He writes that God could not win, but in fact Judah was the one who could not win. This is a sign that the bible is a lie or better yet, that the person who wrote it is a lier.

>>41350005
Jews are sneaky, man. They will kill babies and will say God was the one who ordered that so your brain will fry because if God as the one who commanded it then it must be correct right? It has to be moral to kill babies, right? Nope. Killing babies is immoral. But christians will defend this. Why? Because jews managed to hack the brains of the people. They say God commanded that and say that those people were evil and they worshiped fake gods so they deserved to die!! People don't question this! I did not question this. But once you start to really look for the truth then the veils is lifted. Now you can see this god of the bible for what he really is, a fabrication by jews. Then the jews fight and some jews create a new religion where the peopel don't have to cut their dicks anymore to be part of this community and people are sold. The whole bible story, they say Satan is copying God, but it is very plausible that the jews are the ones copying the different stories around the world, the mythos, and giving their own spin.

>>41349995
>We can reverse that and say to you that everything you know about the bible is through the lense of attempting to confirm it or exalt the reputation of God.

That is not a bias when that is precisely how the Bible is written. It is a text that repeatedly affirms God and exalts Him, needing zero input from the reader, there are countless verses giving honor and praise to God. The bias from you happens when you want to go against how the Bible is meant to be understood because you don't love God, you hate God.

>>41350047
Ad Hominem. My feelings for God are irrelevant here. The fact is that you accuse us of being biased, but you don't want to admit that you as well is biased. For what is written in the bible can be a lie. You have faith that is is not, but that's all which you have, your faith. So you can't really give a sign that you are saying the truth and therefore you gotta resort to the "you hate God, you do't love God". To me, your reply is a most pathetic one and you are just wasting our time here with your BS. You are biased and you lack the guts to question God or the dogmas. Pussy.

>>41350020
The text does not say that "God could not win", it says that "The Lord was with Judah" which by the way there are other examples in the Bible where this phrase is used "The Lord was with..." and it goes on to describe the person the Lord is with, not the Lord Himself.

>1 Samuel 18:14-15
>14 The Lord was with David, so he was successful in everything. 15 Saul saw how successful David was and became even more afraid of him.

Just because God is with you doesn't mean you always automatically get the win by doing nothing. Yes, sometimes that happens, but in this case God is using the chariots as way to test Judah's faith. God is trying to see if Judah will trust in Him to assist in defeating the chariots. And these were no ordinary chariots by had ones with scythes and blades all over them. But Judah was a coward and didn't have the faith in God, that God would assist him in driving them out. Despite God being with you, you still need to do the work and take action and believe that God will pull through for you balancing the scale in your favor in battle. Judah didn't believe so he could not drive them out due to being scared of their chariots. And by the way these were no ordinary chariots. They were specifically built to kill, having scythes all over, including the wheels so I can understand Judah being a coward. That's why it says a chariot OF IRON, the iron are the extra blades all over it.

>>41343021
He knows your right, but he has an agenda to spread.

>>41350125
>Judah didn't believe
There is no verse with this claim

It's all mental gymnastics by christgolems to defend an indefensible verse lol

>>41350153
The text doesn't explicitly say that Judah didn't believe, true, however with other verses it becomes clear that the lack of faith on the part of Judah was the reason for him being unable to drive out the inhabitants with chariots.

You have verses like Judges 7:9-11

>Judges 7:9-11
>[9] That night the LORD said to Gideon, “Get up and go down against the camp, for I have delivered it into your hand. [10] But if you are afraid to do so, then go down to the camp with your servant Purah [11] and listen to what they are saying. Then your hands will be strengthened to attack the camp.” So he went with Purah his servant to the outposts where armed men were guarding the camp.

Even though God was with Gideon, so that he could destroy the camp of the Midianites, Gideon still needed to not be afraid and have faith in God that God would deliver on His promise of victory. It's exactly why God tells Gideon to go down to the camp and listen to their enemies of what they have to say to get rid of their fear and know that God is with Gideon in battle, to strengthen his hand.

However in Judah's case, he was afraid of the chariots the inhabitants had and so God was unable to help him in battle. Why be afraid if you have God with you? I'll tell you why, because you actually don't believe God will assist you in battle and doubt God.

>>41350074
I've questioned God and the dogmas. That was my original reason for reading the entire bible and dissecting Christian theology. I originally wasn't a believer and was extremely skeptical of the whole thing. I'm telling you as a former skeptic, you are reading this passage wrong by assuming it is talking about God. You actually need to look at the text objectively instead of immediately having assumptions about it. But you are unable to do that because you so badly want to believe God isn't real so you can keep being a degenerate.

>>41350231
>The text doesn't explicitly say that Judah didn't believe, true
I accept your defeat

>>41350047
This is really reaching and shows bias. "I saw this pamphlet of Soviet Russia and it praises SR. That's how it's written so it can't be wrong". lolwut

>>41342466 (OP)
>1 out of 557
kek

>creates life
>can defeat a single human chariot
the absolute state of jews and other iterations

>>41342466 (OP)
You are stupid to understand. God not afraid of anything. You just blasphemy damn fool. This site really need to be shut down

>>41342466 (OP)
Because metal would have been impossible to set a torch to during a battle, you idiot. And I'm sure people of Judah who were fighting against those chariots riding Egyptians weren't carrying around vases of gasoline to successfully douse and torch this metallic material.... because they WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO. Herp.

you need to feed the sand demon more baby foreskins, that will help defeat the iron chariots

>>41350439
>they WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
I thought Yhwh was omnipotent?? You mean actually he's not able to do things...? huh...

>>41342466 (OP)
Same reason Vishnu took 10 reincarnations to fully embody into a functional human form, when someone that is the causal world you have to submit to its logic, so you don't disdolve the internal Coherence of that universe [people that practice lucid dream might know what i'm talking about]
If you force things in a universe, you xan tear appart the Coherence of that universe, and it is torn appart.
So probably that desertgoblin just had choose go with the flow.
IMPORTANT DETAIL:
1.the desert goblin was allways ok with metals known from the bronze age [precious gems, gold silver and copper]
2.most of blacksmith techniques had origin in indoeuropean areas, so the iron could be inbuilt with those people's god's blessing and energies
3.most labs lay inside buildings that have iron rich metal in their structure, this moght explain the almost absence of the desertgoblin in the development of experimental sciences.

>>41350137
This

>>41350285
The Holy Bible doesn't explicitly mention a lot of things which is why it's important to understand the context of whatever passage you are reading. You yourself are never explicitly mentioned by name in the Holy Bible, but I would never assert therefore you do not exist.

>>41350514
>>41350137
You're spreading jewish agenda like a good golem you are.

>>41350515
>nonsensical argument
Well the context is he believed and still lost lol

>>41350517
Oh nooooo

>>41350537
You guys have totally one hundred percent lost this argument btw

the chariots represent Dyḗus
YHWH was afraid of him so he convinced his followers thats its le bad devil

>>41350770
Not only that, anon
Blacksmithing is at the core of IE religion [Atharvaveda is almost whole dedicated to it], and iron also has*Kóryos energies [Sun+Jupiter+Mars equivalents]imbued in itself.

>>41350560
Shut up Christcuck no they haven't.

>>41350770
Christcucks incorporated a lot of Dyeus/Zeus into their capeshit though.

Saint Peter statue in Rome is actually a statue of Zeus. But christcucks don't know anything about it.

>>41343140
Nope, not what happened. The Moabites went on a losing streak and only started kicking the shit out of the Israelites after the Moabite king sacrificed his son to Chemosh. An independent event that had nothing to do with the Israelites or they faith or lack thereof. So you have Yahweh on one side helping the Israelites defeat the Moabites until Chemosh is appeased. Then it's clear that despite Yahweh's help, Chemosh is too powerful. There is no alternative perspective here. Beyond that, it also shows Yahweh is not omniscient, as he prophesized total victory against the Moabites for the Israelites which didn't happen.

People tend to forget that Yahweh was just one of the deities in the Pantheon of that region and time. And he wasn't even the strongest.

The only reason people believe Yahweh is THE ONE, is because Jews chose him over other deities. Then again, average Christian isn't the smartest one around.

>>41350485
That part of OT story is bronze age people meet iron age people
Dismounted troops w bronze weapons vs chariot on flat terrain would mean heavy casualties. Stayed in hill terrain where chariots didnt have advantage.

>ook ook the "bad gods" taught other civilization "bad technology" like uhh...iron smelting

>>41351142
>>ook ook
Indeed

>>41342466 (OP)
enjoy hell

>>41350125
Cope

>>41342466 (OP)
>>41342559
>You don't understand bro, God didn't help them because they weren't following Him
>God couldn't just make them obedient, that would mean they don't have free will
>But also, you can only obey God through grace, humans can't freely overcome their fallen, disobedient state without receiving grace
It's pure cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, every failure shown in the Bible can be blamed on the disobedience of the humans involved, yet at the same time, every non-extinct soteriology affirms that the capability to obey God is dependent on divine grace. So the only orthodox conclusion is that God didn't give them the grace to trust in Him, He subsequently did not grant them victory, and yet somehow this is their fault.

>>41351826
The bible doesn't make any sense. It says faith is a gift, but at the same time it blames us for lacking faith. lol It is a contradiction and the christians do have cognitive dissonance. Now I understand why christians are so hated. It's because they are dumb and they want you to believe in their religion, they want you to be dumb like them.

>>41350963
Yes they definitely have lol

>>41351535
enjoy hell

>>41342466 (OP)
Have fun burning.

>>41354448
Don't make me pick up the iron, you little semite sissy.

>>41354458
Those flames just got hotter.

>>41354653
You shouldn't square up when a Moabite deity scared your god away bro

>>41354665
Hotter still. Keep going, bro. Max out those flames!

>>41354675
gosh you christcult golems are so boring

>>41354695
Christ hates you.

>>41354675
>>41354653
>>41354703
Not very christian of you. Repent.

>>41342559
was he mad because they didn't collect enough foreskins?

>>41350231
the fact you are wasting all your time with that retard makes you deserving of getting baited several times by those retarded short replies

>>41354957
your retarded short replies trying to prop up the Christcuck posts are, surprise surprise, equally as ineffective.