Thread 41346354

I had a weird answer to this question, but let me first pose it to you.

If you want your suffering and triumphs to have meaning, it has to be arranged into some kind of a story by somebody. You don't know your own future, so there has to be some other power at work to arrange for your life to have meaning. Meaning that the more meaning you want in your life, the less free will you will end up having.

You can do whatever you want in life, whatever random crazy shit you want, but the more randomness to your actions the less its possible to extract any kind of a meaning to your existence. You might end up dying to legit bad luck, and the sum total meaning of your life ends up being "sometimes life is totally meaningless".

So which would you rather have? Free will, or meaning?

>>41346354 (OP)
Without free will the "meaning"will only ever be "God is a retarded sadistic tranny who wants to identify himself as "a king" so he forces me to exist as the the sole frame of reference for material reality and only persistently real person in the world so he can dominate and abuse me through everyone else on earth who he controls as a retarded tranny hivemind so he can force me to live and identify as "a peasant" including in my literal imagination as he rapes my mind every second of every day and abuses me for literally anything I think or do so he can define himself in opposition to me as "a king" by self-identifying with the people he abuses me through."

This isn't "meaningful" for anyone but God, God is a retarded sadistic tranny who makes life complete hell

>>41346354 (OP)

>You don't know your own future, so there has to be some other power at work to arrange for your life to have meaning.

Not operating in GM mode I see ... :)

>>41346354 (OP)
If individual free will existed for mortals, it would be a curse.

God knows exactly what will make us happy and give us meaning and love and eternal bliss. I'm fine with letting him drive.

>>41346429
>God knows exactly what will make us happy
And he violently gatekeeps it and says it's "exclusively for rich people" and I'm talking about things as petty as normal white/brown bread, corn chips, salt, etc. God is a retarded delusional tranny who believe anything the slightest bit desirable is "for rich people" and he forces me to exist as "a peasant" so he can define himself in opposition to me as he forces me to act as the sole frame of reference for material reality and only persistently real person in the world because he's a retarded sadistic tranny, he rapes my mind every second of every day and terrorizes, abuses, harasses, threatens etc me for literally anything I think or do, playing video games, watching tv/movies/youtube, reading, listening to audiobooks, browsing the internet, thinking about literally anything

You're an actual retard if you think God cares about happiness for anyone but rich people

>>41346460

you seem to be thinking about this from the frame of reference that you had free will to take.

consider the possibility that free will was never possible or real and the perception of free will comes from god deliberately lying to themselves about a part of their awareness for around 75 years at a time.

and the terrorizing you are doing to your own mind is you being unable to cope with the idea that you arent the origin for your own ideas.

>>41346354 (OP)
false dichotomy
next thread

>>41346460
Mortal life is only a preparatory illusion.

>>41346482
God is separate from me and hostile to me. Separate identity+separate will=separate entity. God is separate from me, he defines himself in opposition to me, he abuses, harasses, terrorizes, threatens me persistently every day. If "my ideas" were really his ideas then I would be a billionaire, God can't use any "sameness" between my mind and his as an excuse to abuse me when he violently gatekeeps anything I like so that he can define himself in opposition to me

>>41346531
No it isn't, when I die I just get force-reincarnated and spend 9 months dreaming in the womb and God will be raping my mind, controlling my reality, and abusing me for my thoughts in the womb just as he does in life. The "afterlife dream world" won't be significantly better than dreams which are a pretty mediocre to bad experience to begin with

im a bottom and every time you say "rape my mind" im a little like "ooo..."

>>41346354 (OP)
something in-between and beyond that is so paradoxical for me and God that it gives both meaning and meaninglessness to both of us
we are both in a bullshit ride and we are gonna be bullshitted equally

>>41346354 (OP)
I disagree with the notion that ‘meaning’ can only exist on a macro scale. People are so hung up on the idea of life itself having some kind of greater overall narrative or purpose to it, but two days ago I helped the older woman who lives a few doors down from me get her groceries out from her car and put away in her kitchen. She gave me half a loaf of banana bread as thanks and I felt good about it. I found that to be personally meaningful.

>>41346354 (OP)
since my life is meaningless, ergo I have free will. case closed.

>>41346354 (OP)
>free will or a meaningful life
I'd rather have free will because then I could choose to have both free will and a meaningful life.

>the more meaning you want in your life, the less free will you will end up having
Not a problem if I have free will and choose to have both.

>the more randomness to your actions the less its possible to extract any kind of a meaning to your existence
Also not a problem if I have free will and choose both.