Thread 41368197

How one can prove God (or gods) are real?

Why would you need to?

>>41368197 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpC8WtufJbo

>>41368197 (OP)
it's just uncreated source that is in all. Ego/false self believes it's real which strips you of that truth. All things are created from source. Evil is created by ignorance of that truth (survival, fear).

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>>41368227
Pascal's Wager seems to be the most disliked argument for the existence of God

Symbolic literacy. God is the Absolute in a philosophical sense, angels (his messengers) are cosmic forces. Religious normies who think that God is a man in the sky that gets angry when you masturbate are beyond stupid.

>>41368197 (OP)
You cant unless you can become one

You don't. It happens on it's own.

>>41368197 (OP)
Kalam cosmological argument is the most common one, I think

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>>41368227
An actual believer shows some (possible) evidences for existence of God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L64MxbUl3o

>>41368197 (OP)
precise and exquisite machinery in action at both the sub atomic level and across billions of light years.
laws of nature, rules, conformity everywhere.

You can't prove God exists because he only reveals himself to individuals, which result in anecdotal evidence which cannot be taken as concrete evidence. Yearn for God with a pure heart and you will experience Him.

>>41368259
You have to use reason and evidence to put your faith in the most probable religion (which is obviously Christianity) and the most probable denomination (which is obviously Mormonism).

>>41368259
>athiesim and satanism confrimed the same thing
*LAUGHS IN PAGAN*

>>41368197 (OP)
You really do not need to. They can and will exist without our validation.

>>41368356
My issue with this one is that it devours itself
>Everything that exists has a cause
You can also apply that same logic to God himself
>But uh, nuh uh, he is... outside of time or something
So not everything that exists has a cause, then

Hell, even if that WERE true somehow, that there is this one specific exception to the rule, nothing tells you that it has to be a conscious entity rather than some incomprehensible random fuckery

>>41368197 (OP)
>how to prove God (or gods) are real?

What is a God? Going to be hard to prove something exists if you can't tell me what it is you are even trying to find out exists or not.

>>41368226
When everyone is dead I am going to cut Jesus's fucking dick off and that will be the last thing GOD THE FATHER, ever sees before I gouge his eyes out and rape his ass with a knife.

Gd will suffer the most extreme for sending animals HE MADE into Hell.

>>41376256
bro go get hugged

>>41368197 (OP)
take a large dose of psychedelics see what you cant unsee

>>41368413
Which all lay on top of an ocean of chaos, the source of all reality comes from below and not from above

>>41376267
The rest I get but Pico Della Mirandola's just make this look like
>they all have HAND!!!

>>41376256
Holy power fantasy, Batman

>>41368356
>Questions?
what the hell does "outside nature" even mean? located outside the expansion of space? capable of violating the laws of thermodynamics? if there was some event that initiated the big bang it'd obviously just be included in the term nature and studied like anything else. and why is the event assumed to be an "immeasurably powerful" male humanoid with feelings and a personality, and not some quirk of particle physics during a singularity? its not like we can't measure the matter and energy output of the big bang. or the idea that there's been some 1000 year long debate about whether or not the universe had a beginning. there hasn't been. at all. universal expansion and the big bang are relatively new observations/ideas, and the status of anything that might've come before is left alone since there isn't enough evidence to make good theories yet. science is just a method for learning about reality anyway. tenets of christianity being disproven like the creation story or the presence of heaven/sheol/the firmament don't imply a competing belief system, just a lot of inaccuracies in the bible. there are so many holes in this thing it's more empty space than substance I can't believe anyone would take this seriously

>>41368197 (OP)
First mover

>>41368197 (OP)
Its not about debating his existence, it's based on faith, once you give up your sinful life in the name of Jesus with your whole heart with no intention of committing future sins (which if you do, confession is powerful) and you will receive the blessing of the Holy Spirit and once you have the Holy Spirit within you, you'll never want to do anything to separate yourself from the Holy trinity

>>41368197 (OP)
That's really a thing you don't. A proof always gets into holes or weird areas, at best you get "I'll define the First Mover as G-d" but does that really satisfy your definition of a god? The First Cause as envisioned by Aristotle could be a non-sentient neutral natural phenomena or event and to many the notion of G-d implies more than that. We've made no progress. imo It's a thing that's not tautological (evident to the point it's shown by a proof), to use terms of proof. That's why it's better to believe what you will.

>>41368197 (OP)
Do a fuck ton of mushrooms. Spirits will talk to you. They talked to me

>>41378212
is it an emotional thing? feeling like your morality is being bolstered, and having companionship? I'm genuinely trying to understand why faith is compelling to so many people, I grew up christian but left when I realized faith was all they had

>>41368197 (OP)
Prove that (You) are real first.

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>>41368197 (OP)
The Watchers, or the Fallen Angels — the 200 and the scars they left — are truths the media and history don’t want to tell us. They claim it all came from comets or asteroids. ( Palace of Peace and Reconciliation were they hold meeting there in Astana, Kazakhstan
). There were never dinosaurs; the Earth is a plane, built by the Creator, and it cannot be moved. NASA is the serpent that deceives us — the greatest deception was the so-called moon landing. Remember, too, that an angel was reportedly found in Russia. There’s a lot of evidence they’re hiding from us, including secrets kept by the Vatican and their security forces.

>>41368238
It's just a bunch of fucking garbage and that's all it is. I choose separation.

0.) 0=1. Zero somehow became 1. You can argue that this is a naturally inevitable event when an infinitely long time frame is involved, but that very inevitability is what god is, is what reality is, is what 0=1 is. It is the rebellion of perfect void and total nullification against the very nothingness it is so that somethingness occurs. It is the beginning of the journey and the first steps of evolution.

1.) 1=0. You are one. One is given freedom to return to zero. You are imbued with free will, a soul that is a perfect random number generator when utilized appropriately. This manifests as sentience, as your own unique individualized perception, and within that freedom you are allowed to do anything you're potent enough a being to discover the means towards, including the self annihilation of returning to 0, to nothingness.

That should be enough, but it is still imbued with far too much metaphor and remains entirely unsatisfactory for the framing of useful empirical sciences. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately(because proof would effectively end all the primordial human life that is our current day to day existence), no such proof is yet available, so all else I can offer are the various forms summarily dismissible as personal conjecture:

2.) Most reported near death experiences, mine included, involve a massive swirling vortex of swirling blinding energy that seems to powerfully draw your consciousness towards it. Worst case scenario it is a predator that makes use of the dead in some form, best case it is a benevolent god pointing your speck of perception into the next best direction available to you. Please do not seek to artificially induce a near death experience to sate your curiosity, but this same experience will likely happen to you.

3.) It would seem obligate to a logical mind to understand that if there are lower sentient creatures, anima, and there are higher sentient creatures, humans, then there would too be ever higher beings, gods.

4.) Life

>>41368197 (OP)
Yahweh...Allah...Buddha...Odin...these are examples of the \Eidolon Theos/ group of intangible gods (with a little g) that exist through their influence on human culture, belief, and shared scripture.

As miracles of SOLs work, these beings and idea that our Instinctu Divinitatis brings into existence ARE potent and relevant. But the fact that they require human interaction to exist or exert, along with a common use of personification, proves their separation from the one true and evident God, SOL.

"Fake" or "fiction" aren't terms that give the due respect to such collective ideas, and this is the proper delineation. But there is a difference between a god that requires a human tongue to speak or hand to write it's word, and a self evident, reliably present God. And these smaller varieties are of the \Eidolon Theos/ variety.

~ The practice of devotion towards a self-evident God that is intertwined with our existing reality takes place not through prayer or faith, but through recognition ~