Thread 41372885

Attachment leads to suffering.

>>41372885 (OP)
There is no (You) in Buddhism.
And if there is no (You), there is no one who suffers.
And if there is no one who suffers, there is no suffering itself.
And if there is no suffering, there is no Noble Eightfold Path.
And if there is no Noble Eightfold Path, there is no Buddhism.
If (You) exist, then you're no Buddhist.
Buddhism is eternally refuted.

>>41372885 (OP)
should i detach from life and krill myself

>>41372964
>There is no (You) in Buddhism.
Wrong in your very first premise brother.
>>41372974
>should i detach from life
Yes
>and krill myself
No

>>41372964
this is so dumb, i hope you don't actually think what youre saying has merit

>>41372985 Cope. There is no (You) in buddhism. I'm not wrong.

>>41372885 (OP)
Maybe attachment leads to suffering but it also leads to connection.
If you have kids, their problems become your problems. Perhaps Timmy getting bullied in third grade leads to him suffering, and you suffering through your attachment to him. But is that a bad thing? Shouldn't you be attached and engaged to the lives of your children?

>>41373024
>attachment leads to connection
We got a regular albert einstein over here.

>>41373001
How is your life like being the most confident but also most retarded person at any given moment bro

>>41373042
i must be loyle to my capo

YES! Become an egoless blob bumbling through the wind at the mercy of the circumstances unfolding around you! ONLY THEN WILL YOU BE THE PERFECT SUBJECT FOR THE NEW WORLD ORDER

>>41372885 (OP)
I goon for Christ.

>>41372964
attached to refuting lmao

spiritually kys

>>41374221
Cope

>>41372885 (OP)
your attached to detachment - let go of letting go

>>41372964
Cute syllogism, but it collapses faster than your attention span halfway through a sutra. Buddhism doesn’t say “there is no you” in the simplistic, Reddit-tier “nothing exists bro” sense. It says the idea of a permanent, independent “you” is an illusion. Phenomena still arise — sensations, thoughts, pain — they just don’t belong to some fixed self. The first Noble Truth isn’t “you suffer,” it’s “there is suffering.” The rest is the method for understanding and ending that process.

So your logic is like saying, “Since there’s no ocean that owns the waves, there are no waves.” Brilliant. Except the waves are still crashing — just not yours to cling to. Buddhism doesn’t refute itself; your argument refutes the childish assumption that “self” must be the centerpiece of everything. The whole point of Buddhism is seeing through exactly that kind of self-obsessed reasoning.

>>41372885 (OP)
Being attached to the lack of attachment again huh?

>>41374739
>>41374784
Ah yes, the armchair Zen master’s favorite gotcha: “you’re attached to detachment.” It sounds deep until you realize it’s just verbal origami. The whole point of letting go isn’t to form a new identity out of “being detached,” it’s to stop clinging altogether — including to detachment if it arises.

Telling someone “you’re attached to not being attached” is like telling a sober person they’re addicted to not drinking. It’s clever-sounding nonsense that mistakes awareness for obsession. True detachment isn’t a stance you hold; it’s what remains when you stop compulsively defending one. So no, it’s not “being attached to detachment” — it’s just not playing your little word games anymore.

>>41372964
you pretty much just described what enlightenment is, lol

>>41374800
Tikkun olam

>>41372885 (OP)
Not really, just existing leads to suffering.

>>41374800
abrahamic rrligioln goal is tikkun olam aka disolve everything into god dharmic religion have the same goal you are just a butther atheist about christianity who use buddhism

Niggers lead to stolen bicycle

What are the thing buddhism judaism and hinduism have in common is that all wants to turn humanity into a hivemind

>>41374800
None of that matters or will stop suffering, if you have a temporal body that hungers or gets sick or dies you will always suffer, the truth is your philosophy is the verbal origami
>b-but suffering is different!! It's from attachment and desire!! it's just a mental state!!!
No it isn't, having a body and existing in this world is the crux of suffering. And that Including mental and emotional suffering.

>>41374869
Having no ideology makes you harder to control because you’re not hooked by slogans or group loyalty. Every ideology starts as a fight for truth and ends up as a tool for control. Once people pick a side, they stop thinking for themselves and just defend their team. Those in charge know this and use it to steer the herd, switching the slogans and enemies whenever it suits them. The ones without ideology see through it—they watch how every “movement” becomes another way to keep people busy while nothing really changes.

In time, every ideology turns into a trap. It gives people fake choices, fake enemies, and fake hope. The powerful don’t care which side wins; they just need people divided and distracted. The true threat to them isn’t the believer—it’s the one who’s stopped believing. Someone who doesn’t fall for the game, who can’t be guilted, flattered, or bought, is outside their reach. That’s why power needs belief to survive, and why those who don’t believe are treated like a danger to the order itself.

To say I am free when I am only doing a speedrun to complete my inescapable destiny which is to dissolve into infinity/the void, to say I am buddhless when I am inherently bound to Brahma and destined to dissolve into it, to pretend to be free in a reality that has totally inevitable scripted events

>>41374895
But you are playing thegame and à slave to the rule of the game Master everything you say is cope

>>41374895
Muh no ideology the reality is in a inherent state of war and thefuture of humanity is determinated nothing you do is something related to freewill infect most of events are conpletely determined and already deside libération freedom are liés everything is determined and contrôler by the creator the drmiurge brahma

>>41374895
Everyon is a puppet even those who pretend no choising à side will choise it à will enter in the war

>>41374895
The no such thing as harder to controll because anything you do is ultimately determined by the dermiurge brahma youre think in human contrôle but i thing in metafisical contrôle and tose no one become trully free , determinism rule

>>41374895
>The buddhist poster thinks he has no ideology despite adhering to one of the biggest religions in the world
>uses chatgpt to make his posts
Respond to my post about suffering, you can use all the AI you want too.

>>41374749 In Buddhism, there is no ontological (you). Your post suggests that either you don't understand Buddhism, or you're attached to the Self.

>>41375066
Ah, the classic “no ontological you” parrot line — half-digested philosophy masquerading as enlightenment. The Buddha’s teaching of anattā isn’t a metaphysical claim but a phenomenological one — an observation that what we call “I” is a process, not a substance.

>>41375182 No, it is literally a metaphysical claim and is regarded as such by Buddhists. Metaphysics stems directly from phenomenology. You can't fool me.

>>41375252
So you’re saying, “Metaphysics stems from phenomenology”? Cute. Then by your logic, the absence of metaphysics would stem from the absence of phenomenology. Which, if you’ve meditated properly, is exactly the point.

>>41372964
There's no permanent eternal "you" as you experience life, as that's made up of the five aggregates, which are what experience dukkha; dissatisfaction, suffering, attachment and clinging. Which is a natural consequences of having a body and living and existing in Samsara.
You can overcome dukkha by following the eightfold path and spiritual realisation, overriding the mechanisms that give rise to the experience of dukkha.

Why do I get sick, grow old, and die?
>It's because I was born
Why was I born?
>It's because I exist
Why do I exist?
>It's because I believe that there is a "me" and hold to this idea
Why do I hold to that idea?
>Because it feels better to have a concrete self. I prefer things that feel good.
Why do I prefer to feel good?
>Because everything feels either good or bad and the good is innately preferable.
Why do things feel good or bad?
>It's because sensations arise at all. Good or bad is a quality innate in every sensation.
Where do the sensations come from?
>They arise because I have sense organs like eyes and ears, that see beauty or ugliness, music or discord on a spectrum.
Why do I have sense organs?
>Because anything exists to experience in the world at all, either physically through my body or mentally in my thoughts. There is nothing in the universe outside these two types of experience and all of it comes through my sense organs. The universe is mental, through the mind, and physical, through eyes, ears, nose, mouth, and physical sensation. The sense organs are the representation of the universe.
Why is there anything at all instead of nothing?
>Because I'm conscious to experience things
Why am I conscious?
>Because my mind does things. "Consciousness" is just a collective term for all the thoughts and actions and desires and so on a mind has throughout its existence.

Why does my mind do things?

>>41373024
I will never had kids because I was born sterile and with a microdick.

>>41373726
Egotistical people are easier to manipulate, just bribe them with what they crave. You have no control over life's unfolding whether you're egoless or egotistical. How do you control or bribe someone who's in control of themselves and doesn't crave this or that to satisfy themselves?
You'll suffer when life goes against your wishes or you can roll with the punches and accept what you have no control over, only then can you do something about the things you can control, if you so wish.

>>41375252
What the Buddha said and what's regarded as such by Buddhists are not the same.

Namo Avalokitesvara

>>41375275 Just because one statement is true doesn't mean a different one is. The teaching of anattā originated in phenomenological investigation, which culminated in the metaphysical assertion of the absence of an ontological self in Buddhism. And so, we are back to square one: there is no (you) in buddhism.

>>41375809
What about utilitarianism which says it's ethically good to maximize pleasures, or minimize pains, while the self or agency is completely irrelevant to the endeavor?

>>41372885 (OP)
suffering is good
growth is good
life is good
the world is great

Buddhist threads are terrible.
We don’t really know what the Buddha said. It’s another of these written down after he died things,
There’s a whole bunch of spinoff versions of it.
Why bother.

>>41375809
>Monks, this Dhamma is like a raft. It is used for crossing over, not for grasping. One should not cling to it once the shore has been reached.

I just really like the art of buddhism Desu, especially Yamantaka.

anyways, yall should read the Bardo Thodol, and just prepare for death in general.

>>41375867
not always
yes
not for everyone
there's work left to do

>>41374784
>>41374739
All these gotchas come from misunderstanding imprecise words. The attachment you want to get rid of is subconscious clinging to the low-level sense perceptions that make up your experience. You absolutely can break that clinging while at the same time being highly motivated and driven to do so, e.g. "attached" to the desired outcome of breaking it.

>>41375912
Buddhism is different from other religions with that problem in that the instructions actually deliver results in this lifetime. Enlightenment is a real thing you can do in a reasonable amount of time, and some of the people who have done it have written up commentaries explaining what the Buddha actually meant about various things because they experienced it firsthand.

>>41372885 (OP)
There's no piety in being a loser who cares about nothing, you're just a POS

>>41376603
One can still act and do good in the world without attachment to the world or to outcome of action.

>>41372964
Based and correct.

the self-refutation is the very heart of the deepest teaching, and this is why it's called the heart sutra

>舎利子 是諸法空相 不生不滅 不垢不浄 不増不減
Sariputra, this is the sign of emptiness of all dharmas, neither arising nor extinguishing, neither impure nor pure, neither increasing nor decreasing
>是故空中 無色無受想行識 無眼耳鼻舌身意
therefore within emptiness, there is no form, and no sensing, no thought, no action, no consciousness; no eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, or mind
>無色声香味触法 無眼界乃至無意識界
there is no sound, scent, taste, touch, or thought; there is no realm of the eye, or any other realm of sensation up to the realm of consciousness
>無無明 亦無無明尽
there is no ignorance, nor is there any cessation of ignorance
>乃至無老死 亦無老死尽
Nor anything else up to aging and death, or the cessation of aging and death
>無苦集滅道 無智亦無得
There is no noble truth of suffering, or of causation of suffering, or of elimination of suffering, or of the path to eliminate suffering; there is no wisdom, and nothing to obtain

it does not mean to hold to nothing, but to understand that there's nothing to hold onto, nothing to grasp

what are you even trying to let go of?

>>41376665
Fake and gay.

>>41375275
Kek, based chat gpt

>>41376758
But the sophistic self-refutation of "no self no suffering" (which is the actual truth), or "do not desire" is not the Tao. Self-refutation is not a bad way to grasp how yin overcomes yang (the weak contradicts the strong, that is the heart of the so-called "contradiction.") But actually nothing is refuted. It only seems like a contradiction because our language is dualistic.

The apparent contradictions of the Diamond Sutra are the best example that come to mind, such as "when all sentient beings are liberated, not a single sentient being is liberated" (because of anatta).

>>41376966
do people ever give you strange looks sometimes like they can't figure out what you're trying to say?

>>41377039
I get that a lot, and I'm trying to post less because of it because I don't have a teacher. Like I can literally just quote sutras and people will be like "that's a contradiction you're so schizo."

Is there something that sticks out at you that you don't understand?

>>41377039
>>41377054
Same Anon, basically, everyone knows "The Tao that can be spoken is not the Eternal Tao." These aren't just fancy words. The Tao is the foundation for everything, especially what seem like contradictions in Buddhist thought and Scripture.

For example, the Lankavatara Sutra says all statements of facts are false because the act of making a statement changes Ultimate Reality. All I am saying is that the apparent contradictions come from the Taoist foundation of Buddhism. It actually started with the Iching

>>41377072
I should have said, the apparent contradictions in Buddhism come from the Taoist foundation of Reality.

>>41376603
Why do you get angry over what someone else does? Why do you want to control someone else's life? Surely there are people in this world doing horrible and evil to be upset about more so than over someone who strive towards enlightenment, be compassionate and to ease the suffering of all.

>>41377777
Fucking wasted

>>41377777
Checked

>>41377777
i approve the message but damn, bit of a waste of holy quints

>>41377777
Fuck off with this wasted pent

>>41377777
>be compassionate and to ease the suffering of all.
NICE DIGITS
PEACE AND LOVE

>>41377777
For a group claiming to have no attachments you sure are attached to what others think about you lol

>>41372885 (OP)
>just do nothing bro
okay

>>41377777
Checked

>>41377804
We are just anonymous voices in the ether. There's nothing to be attached to or worth getting upset about. Insult me all you want. Being angry about Buddhists doing or 'caring about nothing' is just silly.

>In a famous story, a man insults the Buddha, who responds by asking, "If a person refuses a gift, to whom does the gift belong?" The man acknowledges it would belong to him. The Buddha's point was that anger is like a gift that one can choose not to accept.

>>41372974
Attacmemt to your life and desire to live is the final boss

>>41372885 (OP)
buddhism is antinatalism with a better reputation

>>41372885 (OP)
Yet you are attached to not suffering. Curious.

>>41374749
cute apu

>>41373024
if one has children before buddahood one would become attached inevitably
after buddhahood i assume one wouldn't desire having children

>>41374895
>Having no ideology makes you harder to control because you’re not hooked by slogans or group loyalty
words and language were invented as a technology for humans to lie to one another, good post

>>41376343
problem is that each commentary is different and here in the west buddhism and meditation have become a scam

>>41375486
great post
you have to put in the effort and drill down, see and ask for yourself at the end of the day

detachment also leads to suffering
t. schizoid

>>41372885 (OP)
>attachment leads to suffering.

>>41380216
True
Middle path is the way

>>41372885 (OP)
Lamest fucking cope religion ever.
>suck at life
>I never wanted money, friends, a girlfriend, my own house to begin with
>attachment leads to suffering anyway :^)

>>41380555
Retard
The founder of it had all those things
Was literally heir to a kingdom beautiful wife and huge palace
And realized it was still not enough to be happy

>>41380567
So he suffered from real clinical depression not the fake depression of being sad when life bad, congratulations.
Since they had no MAOIs back then he made an entire religion about it lmao.
Because I'd be perfectly happy with what he had, fagget. Keep coping until you die

>>41380596
>MAOIs
Pharmashill

Yes

>>41380617
Religionshill, you're not happy cause your life is shit, end of story. Cope eternally.
You don't even have real depression like your founding father.

>>41380749
I am happy and my life is pretty good actually but i would happy if my life wasn't good or even was bad

>>41379928
That's mainly Mahayana, which is all over the place. Theravada does the best at avoiding all that and the western traditions derived from it are the least scammy

>>41380759
>am happy and my life is pretty good actually
So you don't need buddhism now fuck off

>>41372964
Look at all the seething new agers, you must've done something right

>>41380942
Budhism is older than socrates!

>>41375684
And what's more egotistical than seeking for a method to refuse suffering becuae muh fee fee hurt

>>41380537
Oh right, Aristotelian stoic virtues. Literally same religion different mythos. Heck, they even share a lot of the same mythos but just through "pass it down the line".

>>41381014
True

>>41372964
There is no (you) but there is still suffering.

>>41375867
One must eventually outgrow suffering. Suffering's purpose is to push you towards that.

>>41380934
Dissatisfaction, suffering, attachment and clinging doesn't disappear just because life is generally good. You can't escape illnesses, old age and death whether you're rich or poor, although the elites would love to be Immortal.
Material things, sex, experiences and whatever you think will buy you happiness are temporary and will mean nothing if you get sick or you're bitter and old. Contentment and gratitude come from within.
Wealth brings its own problems. You'll never feel rich and you'll just want more. If you have 1 million you'll desire 10, and so on. You'll fear losing your wealth, you'll distance yourself from the poor as you'll become distrustful and paranoid.

>>41380993
You're like a woman being mad at a man for being content with little, because it's in a woman's nature to collect and accumulate.

>>41375684
this is why pride is such a poison; egoistical people are blind by it, they think chasing their(demiurgic) chemical desires is the expression of free will, but all that does is add speed to the wheel of samsara
it's like flapping your arms in the ocean while drowning and being proud of putting so much effort, meanwhile the dude who is just still and floating puts 0 effort

>>41382923
>it's like flapping your arms in the ocean while drowning and being proud of putting so much effort, meanwhile the dude who is just still and floating puts 0 effort
Kek

>>41372885 (OP)
youtube "call off the search papaji"

>>41374870
>The webm
Wtfeven
>>41376018
Based, thangkapilled and deathmaxxed

>>41372885 (OP)
Dissociation from your vessel letting go of pride with your eyes and mind focused on God's kingdom is the way to live in this life to prepare for the next

>>41372885 (OP)
Suffering is required for strength.
Attempts to avoid suffering with no further goal are hedonistic at the very best.

>>41372885 (OP)
lol we lose memory every time we incarnate. few can achieve the atomic body. good luck lads
its what is unsaid that matters

Also yeah, as many point out, attachment to not suffering would just make the mental fog worse. let go completely, you have to trust God
Life Forever

>>41385527
True

>>41385527
>>41385536
>Life forever!
You mean willing suicide, like all pacifists and detachers.

>>41385718
No i do not mean that at all.

>>41385773
And now you lie to me, as all of your ilk do, after preaching suicide and abandonment.

>>41385802
I'm not lying about this, i do not preach suicide or abandonment, nor do i have an ilk. Impressively wrong on all accounts.

>>41385852
>I do not have an ilk!
Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're not yours, ya fuckin' liar.
>I'm not associated with anyone!
>posts scriptures and images with well known associations
You're not even fucking trying.

>>41385904
I meant an ilk that that preaches suicide or abandonment. Try breathing deeply and calming down, I'm not trying to make you mad here or trying to be dishonest

>>41385938
Your ilk literally preaches suicide and abandonment, you lying cunt.
What do you think nirvhanna is? What do you think heaven is?

>>41385972
I hope you find peace and happiness, bro. Try breathing deeply and slowly with your eyes closed and imagine a world in which you aren't mad about anything anymore.

>>41374749
>>41374800
Why does everyone speak like ChatGPT now? "It's not X (em dash) It's Y" etc.

>>41385982
>Please stop being angry, all I did was lie and preach suicide and detachment
you dishonest, greasy fuck.

>>41376758
>>41375442
>>41374906
I don't get it. From what I can see, once the composite that is the individual splits up into its fundamental elements upon death, does that not make the experience of death be to the individual exactly as the popular secular idea, that it's like what what's behind your eyes looks like to you i.e. a "nothing" that is qualitatively neutral? Since there isn't a fundmental immutable soul moving from body to body. So technically when you die we all get out of it, as individuals at least, nothing lost nothing gained, so there's nothing to worry about after death and we all reach the end of our troubles? It's just the decent thing to do for new lives that occur next and the overall cosmological order (on an allegorical or literal level) to try and complete the Buddhist path?

>>41386382
The experience of death is the loss of the physical body but the preservation of the micro-Ego (consciousness). Think of it like a box with blocks in it. The blocks are the five senses, and the box itself is the illusory Ego. Reincarnation stems from the refusal to take apart the box itself and return to Nothingness (the True Ego, the macro-Ego), achieving Nirvana. If we do not strive to do better within our present or future lives, we will sink further down the hierarchy of consciousness and limit our capacity to help others.

There still IS something to worry about after death, and it's the state of the world in which you leave it. Your responsibility is to treat others kindly and make sure you help heal the world around you as best as you can, so that way others can find their way to the Middle Path just like you did. Evil is contagious, but so is Good. Both are temporary, but true unshakable peace can still be found within a person's lifetime.

>>41377804
>he still thinks "attachment" literally means having relationships and emotional connections
>he doesn't know that "attachment" is an inaccurate translation that should be replaced with unhealthy craving/hunger, possessiveness, and selfishness

>>41386005
Because a bunch of people are using ai to make themselves seem more intelligent than they actually are. It's a technological plague.

>>41379902
Finding buddhahood means you can still have children, it just means you won't treat them selfishly. You won't hoard them, covet them, or unhealthily fixate on them. You won't get hung up on them should they die, and you would love them unconditionally no matter what kind of person they choose to be.

To be a Bodhisattva is to show the entire world unconditional love. To be specific, being a devoted monk would mean you wouldn't have children...but the Buddha did not discriminate between secular and monistic Buddhism. Both paths are valid and equal. Even monks can die and still not reach Nirvana despite what they've done.

>>41372974
No, because you will start back at square one (or find yourself in an even worse position where taking your own life isn't even an option). It is better to take control of your life and cultivate love and joy for yourself and others.

Despair and misery are temporary. One day, the sadness will end. But why end it now when it can be later, and when you can create and find so much love and joy in the present?

Buddhists are fucking pussies and losers.

>hurr I’m gonna turn myself into a literal bug!
>look at me I’m spiritually better than you now
People who endure, strive, improve and create are the best. Buddhists are gay if you’re young don’t fall for this bullshit.

>>41386460
>the refusal to take apart the box itself and return to Nothingness
I'm not gonna hold you to it, but do you reckon this is experientially like a fade-out or a hard stop? I ask because I've had curious intimations since I was a kid of something which I've never been able to tell whether it's just a recurring dream I'm remembering or a genuine trace of memory from my life being formed before birth. A feeling like the whole universe shrinking down to a dense, horrible point with some impish mote of me at the centre, begging to go round again and feeling like a bug darting this way and that to avoid being squashed. I distinctly remember the feeling of fear of an experience that I expected would be like driving into a solid wall at the speed of light. At some stage in the experience I had the distinct impression of being drawn toward a vast, slowly turning vortex or gyre. There was also the impression of a cold dark anger somewhere surrounding me like an angry father, like a rebuking voice so loud as to be experienced as silence; I've had phases of being curious about gnosticism because it felt very 'old-testament God'. I was less than 6 years old remembering this experience and had not encountered any notions of reincarnation or cyclical universes / other ontological or religious matters at this age, it's really bizarre though I know it could also just be some odd childhood dream constructed out of animal instinct that I would remember after the fact without knowing it was recall of a dream I had earlier had.

>>41385518
I have never really trained in buddhism but it has always fascinated me just due to my life experiences.
You say that we lose our memories every time we incarnate, and then mention the atomic body.
I am able to remember 2 of my past lives, and I remember being in samsara before this life too.
I am also able to astral project and interact with spirits.
I would like to get more into spiritual things and train and develop my skills. I think I'm still trying to figure something out here.
From the people I've talked to in the past, my natural abilities seem to be noteworthy.

>>41386720
>constructed out of animal instinct that I would remember after the fact
Instinct is memory. Remembering past lives is possible. Thinking about it in a very scientific way, the genes that code for your body and brain and therefore all your habits originated in a line going back 4 billion years. when the dinosaurs existed, the ancestor to humans was a chipmunk sized creature. 50 million year old memories coded into your methyl bodies of your dna, and the exact way it was remembered changes between people because we all have the same ancestor only 2 million years ago so we all have the same memories. refusing to take apart the box so to speak is to see this fact, and also that the very atoms that are coopted to fulfill the protein creation pattern of the DNA, have their own micromemory, as in trajectory and velocity relative to surroundings, which makes the whole thing more abstractable to think about where exactly all the stuff that makes body work really came from, as in the exact proper concentrations of copper and iron and carbon and h20 in soil for it to be enough to sustain things. Suddenly death doesn't feel like a terminus.

>>41386784
>I am also able to astral project and interact with spirits.
>I would like to get more into spiritual things and train and develop my skills.
Look into the metta sutta

>>41386382
I go with modern data like near death experiences, astral projection, what spirits (supposedly) say etc. We die, leave this body, but we still have non-physical or less physical astral/spirit bodies that retain memories. Some will struggle in the spirit world because of their beliefs or the bad mental health they're still in, like suicide may not the escape hoped for if carried out in a bad mental state. People talk about it being an initial realm we go to for adjustment to living as spirits.

>>41386720
The Buddha likened finding Nirvana to a candle being blown out, journeying across a river, or exiting a burning house. So it's a bit of both. The sudden realization is the "hard-stop" and the exiting process is the fade-out.

>>41386827
There is a very thin line between memory and imagination. Things only exist because there is something to perceive/interpret it, and give it shape, function, and things to do. Life itself literally works that way. Weirdly enough, learning the basics of physics helped me understand Buddhism. The laws of thermodynamics and all that. Nothing ever goes away permanently. Birth is a transformation, and so is death. Two sides of the same coin.

>>41386962
Contemporary science is also just now starting to reluctantly concede to evidence suggesting non-localized consciousness, which only strengthens observations of Animism found in various cultures as well as potentially explaining ghosts.

>>41381014
There is a shared throughline between Aristotle and Plato, Buddhism, Taoism, Gnostic Christianity, and certain esoteric schools of Hinduism, Judaism, and Islam.

All philosophy-religions start off as selfish, violent, and framed around false ego-deity worship. Very primal. Built around perpetuating suffering and Othering the people and world around you. This occurs as humans develop industry. Eventually, wiser minds discover the real truth beyond their existing connection to the divine, and things shift to being built off of loving-compassion and discarding the aspects that enable suffering.

Many things have brought me suffering, but attachments aren't one of them. I was unhappy when I wasn't eating nutritious real food. I was unhappy when I wasn't having sex. I was unhappy when I was forced to go places or do things I didn't want to. I was unhappy when I wasn't confident in my looks. I was happy when I was free to play and rest. I was happy when I was adventuring around with my girlfriends. I was happy when I had a lot of money and was able to do what I wanted to do. I was happy eating rare steak with mushroom sauce. I was happy playing my RPG video games. At the end of the day, Buddhism itself or any religion for that matter cannot save you, only you can and only you know what to do. It's your intuition. Please listen to your body and to God.

>>41374800
lol
>Telling someone “you’re attached to not being attached” is like telling a sober person they’re addicted to not drinking
or like a vegan telling a meat eater they arnt addicted to eating meat? and on a personal level, look how attached you are to detachment, your posting paragraphs and ai pepes about it.

>>41387214
You're attached to feeling good, to your girlfriend, to travelling, to having money, to eat good food and so on.

>I was happy when
And yet you haven't figured out that all these external things are impermanent and temporary. They make you happy in the moment and you cling to the memories. If you can't find happiness, peace and contentment within without external stimuli, you will not find lasting happiness, peace and contentment in the things you chase and desire.

>>41372885 (OP)
why is he so fat? remove your attachment to food lil bro

>>41372974
just make sure you don't end up again in the false heaven which entities control, and reincarante you back again in his matrix.

Teleological argument for the Buddhist Single Vehicle, from Western Philosophy to Omniscience:

Parallels:
>The Other, no sentient beings exist
>Beyond Good and Evil, all Dharmas are empty
>Cogito, doubt is the Tathagata
>Universe of Discourse in logic, no entities exist, they must be assumed for logic to work
>Eudaimonia as the goal of life in early Greek philosophy, as related to samadhi
>Cynics, all Dharmas are empty, higher paths than Kingship
>Epicurean live for refined pleasures
>Stoic accept your karma
>Anthropological relativism, that Dharmas are in contradiction
>Merging toward Buddhist philosophy as the Single Vehicle
>Deconstruction, the Taoist instability of language
>Logocentrism, that Buddhas disparage philosophy
>The excluded middle and the Middle Way

All these philosophies have been considered to be "progress" toward the end of Wisdom and they all align with the Omniscience of the Mahayana

>>41372885 (OP)
What's the point of life then if not to simply experience being and craft our own meaning from nothingness?

>>41372885 (OP)
>simple one liner
>1000 You's
>op immediately left
oh no my 5 shekels

>>41387795
Have you ever seen a starving animal in an unclean dirty place be happy? The thing is lasting happiness has a physical external component to it no matter how much inner peace you claim to have. Nobody's happy kneedeep in dogshit and responsibilities and stress. Nobody's happy in hell. Heaven is fun, heaven is comfort, heaven is peace, heaven is pleasant, heaven is pleasure, heaven is glory, everything you naturally desire is accomplished in heaven. To be happy you need to do what your body is telling you to do and not go against nature.

>>41388982
Heaven is temporary, too

>>41388868
Who said that can't be the point?

>>41389643
Why are you not satisfied with temporary happiness? What joy could possibly be found beyond the immediate right now? Do you just want to not exist in time and space? Because there's no joy in that, just silence and discomfort once you remember who you once were. There's simply a moment where you miss having a body and family and friends and lovers and food and water.

>>41389677
>Why are you not satisfied with temporary

>>41388982
>everything you naturally desire is accomplished in heaven. To be happy you need to do what your body is telling you to do and not go against nature

What is natural in heaven if it's a spiritual non physical existence? You don't crave food, you don't get tired, you don't have money and you can't buy things. Do you have sex without a physical body? Apparently these are all things people ITT crave and need to be happy. So what is happiness in heaven then?

>>41374895
Based

>>41389721
If you can't even be happy in the here and now, you ain't gonna be happy in the eternal everlasting. It's like studying years for a job you know you're going to hate just because of the salary.
>>41389742
In heaven you would satisfy those cravings all the time and you can always ascend to higher pleasures. Yes there is sex in heaven because a sexless heaven is a hell.

>>41389790
>eternal
>everlasting

>>41374784
>>41374739
The fact that it contradicts it's self doesn't make it a false statement. That's the nature of a paradox. Take the god omnipotence paradox for example: if god is all powerful, he can also have the power to be unpowerful. The power to unpowerful doesn't make false that god is all powerful. The same principle is true for the "attached to the lack of attachment" statement. The fact that I'm attached doesn't mean that the lack of attachment is a false thing (or something unreachable).

Did Buddha teach to reject ''the world'' and it's passions?

for me it's schopenhauer

>>41382923
Make wheel go faster
Make wheel go so fast it breaks apart

>if your life doesn't suck now
>just you wait
suffering is inevitable and eternal.
suffering happens even without attachment.
becoming "unattached" i would say just makes you ignore suffering
See:
depersonalization
see:
derealization
very common trauma responses to put your awareness as far away from "suffering" as possible.
I like the idea of an eternal game
more than the eternal wheel.
and the best way to play a game is an eye for an eye with some chance to make amends/cooperation/agreement

>>41387214
so if happiness is about the power to get the things you want/ need surely you can see that power is impermanent. in fact, such power is not guaranteed in this life, but almost certainly goes away at old age, before death
are you not attached to this potency of acting in self interest ?
when the time comes, won't the loss of this potency make you unhappy?

>>41372964
fpbp

>>41392262
When I'm old I'll be fine, death is expected at that point. I'll just chill and let God take me. And if the devil comes I'll fight with everything I have left. The important thing is I lived a good life by my own standards and what I could achieve reasonably. Had my life been just pure suffering I'd have died quicker.

>>41372885 (OP)
It also leads to love, Id rather have both because both makes it more than worth being empty for better or worse. I think therefore I truly truly am, Im proud of what I am.

>>41372885 (OP)
Do "Attachment" also includes loved ones?

If so tongue my anus fattie.

We must take a break. We are not done. We will continue in the middle of January.

>>41396355
Of course, you suffer when you lose someone you love. But losing loved ones are inevitable, either through death or you break up with partners or friends. It's not about loving less, but love with presence and appreciate the moment we have now.