Thread 41385079

Wells' most famous novel was a hundred years ahead of its time. 99% of people have read one of the abridged editions since for some reason most copies of the story aren't even marked abridged when they are.
Wells wrote nonfiction and had an extremely calculated and technical style. Some of the sentence structure is wildly creative, it really shows how much of genius he was.
All sorts of details in the original never survived into any of the adaptations. Ironically one of the most lore-accurate retellings was in the 1998 RTS based on the Jeff Wayne musical. The book was dumbed down severely to emphasize its colonial asymmetry themes. But in the OG Wells explicitly discusses all kinds of concepts that wouldn't emerge in science for around a hundred years. This was also very specific stuff, not just generalizations.
>Aliens use biomimetic machines with neural interfaces that perfectly match their body movements
>Predicts that Darwinist principles can be overcome with tech, which is genetic engineering and there was no model of molecular science for another ~100 years
>The Martians are heavily implied to be related to humans, either based on a "common ancestor" that colonized both planets or breakaway humans that went to mars millennia ago and had advanced tech.
This is also why the ending doesn't make sense in the abridged versions. Because you don't have the context that the Martian physiology directly interfaces with human physiology and thus they are uniquely vulnerable.
>Accurately described a hydrogen light gas gun launch from mars with feasible transport pod designs and realistic levels of landing site selection accuracy.
The original book goes into detail on exact distances and formations the pods landed in
It's criminal that WotW is heralded as one of the most influential works of scifi ever, if not the first true scifi because of its balance of social, civilizational and environmental themes, while people miss the most thought provoking parts.

Here's the original text on gutenberg:
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/36/36-h/36-h.htm

>No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man’s and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over matter. It is possible that the infusoria under the microscope do the same. No one gave a thought to the older worlds of space as sources of human danger, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of life upon them as impossible or improbable. It is curious to recall some of the mental habits of those departed days. At most terrestrial men fancied there might be other men upon Mars, perhaps inferior to themselves and ready to welcome a missionary enterprise. Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment.

>>41385079 (OP)
>the most thought provoking parts
You only mentioned hylic things.

>>41385129
Do I really have to state "Wells was drawing from the akashic records" to get the point across lmao
Not everything paranormal is occult. If you have some insight on occult themes in Wells books why not share them?
The Time Machine has some pretty interesting convergent events around it, like how the production of the 2002 film required the FX studio to develop the JPEG compression format to store the work files needed for the time machine's effects.

>>41387619
Villanoob is such a retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo4yC_UxUVE
Here's most of /x/

>>41387636
The album is imaginative in so many ways just like the original story, it's wild that so much talent and skill goes into one property like this.
It's been what, 130 years and everyone still knows the story, people get excited for new adaptations and the musical is objectively one of the most iconic albums period.

That's a lot of space in the collective consciousness occupied by a 19th century scifi story. Not even Clarke or Asimov's stories have anything close to that kind of staying power.

>>41385079 (OP)
>The Martians are heavily implied to be related to humans, either based on a "common ancestor" that colonized both planets or breakaway humans that went to mars millennia ago and had advanced tech.
When did he imply that?
Also did you like war of the worlds: Goliath?

I still hate most adaptations do not show them as vampiric tentacle aliens.

>>41385166
More hylic blather.

>>41388611
>i can only discuss vague concepts since I have no awareness of history, literature or context

>>41388019
>“Their undeniable preference for men as their source of nourishment is partly explained by the nature of the remains of the victims they had brought with them as provisions from Mars. These creatures, to judge from the shrivelled remains that have fallen into human hands, were bipeds with flimsy, silicious skeletons (almost like those of the silicious sponges) and feeble musculature, standing about six feet high and having round, erect heads, and large eyes in flinty sockets. Two or three of these seem to have been brought in each cylinder, and all were killed before earth was reached. It was just as well for them, for the mere attempt to stand upright upon our planet would have broken every bone in their bodies.”
So they brought a separate bipedal species of martians with them who have a more human appearance and even have bones. Purely as a food source.
Now realize that the martians feed by blood transfusion, so all nutrients in their food source's bloodstream have to be biologically available. The context that the martians are genetically enhancing themselves is a big clue that these livestock creatures are also genetically engineered, probably created with the intent of being livestock.
This is the interpretation the 1998 RTS uses as well. You can see in the opening cutscene that they test weapons on these same livestock creatures they will later use on the humans. https://youtu.be/fKQvjSlBGNM
They inexplicably use human blood to feed. They don't use blood from any other terrestrial creature, just human. I don't think any of this was an accident.

When you put this into context with what Wells' son said about his father's inspiration the pieces come together. He said WotW was a direct continuation of the ideas in the Time Machine, where humans in the distant future become something else entirely with the assistance of technology.

>Goliath
I didn't watch that. Seems similar in premise to the The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen's treatment.

>>41388524
The og design is really good. Being transhuman vampires that rely on technology to survive is also pretty spooky shit

I'm out of the loop, what movies were made from Wells books?

>>41385166
What's this from?

Did wells create 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea or is that someone else?

>>41393485
>I'm out of the loop, what movies were made from Wells books?
The Matrix is the most notable one. But in the original story the humans are hooked up to steam engines instead of computers. It was a criticism against the industrial revolution.

>>41394213
Were the any other difference between movie and the book? Also were any other movie made out of his books?

>>41393485
>>41394213
>>41394224

>>41393485
Jules Verne wrote 20,000 Leagues.

>>41385079 (OP)
>>41385118
Thank you so much man

>>41393485

The Invisible Man and The Time Machine.

>>41393485
>>41394340
This timeline never had a Matrix novel from the early 20th century

>>41394431
Jules Verne also had access to the Akashic Records btw.

>>41396832
Everyone does. They used to call it 'creativity' before art was a consumer commodity

>>41395164
No problem. You see this kind of thing play out with a lot of "popular" properties like Orwell too; everyone is told what to think about the story and in doing so they never apply their own critical thinking and context.

>>41396832
Quite a few writers did.
Particularly the ones renowned for how much their work resonates with people.
Tolkien is a good example of this. What is it that most people say they love about the stories? Is it the royal lore and world building, the fueling and feeding of the imagination? Or is it that somehow the books feel real, alive, factual, and like a memory we've forgotten about?
He may have used Britain and European archetypes to display the stories, such visual themes to give it structure, but the core of the lore comes right out of a real life Tolkien himself might have lived tens of thousands of years ago.

>>41390703
>shriveled remains
>bipeds with flimsy, silicious skeletons
>feeble musculature
>round yet erect heads (tall heads)
>large eyes in flinty (very dark sharp-edged) sockets
The fucking Greys, anon.

>>41390703
>the martians feed by blood transfusion
thats him hinting at adrenochrome usage, everyone knows its the strongest drug ever known and that the body needs more and more in order to survive. this ties real nice with the idea that the ancient elites were the ones who left earth for mars during an event and now are back in order to replenish their adrenochrome source he even hints this in the time machine where the tunnel dwelling rulers "eat" only young humans instead of letting them grow old and eat them whenever , its because the younger you are the stronger your produced adrenochrome

>>41395491
>The Invisible Man
I think there was some movie on that (the main bad guy from spider man 1 played the main role in that movie), but there might've also been a TV series

>>41397045
Oh yeah. It integrates perfectly into the whole 'greys are future humans' idea perfectly. Interesting that exsanguination is a constant theme in cattle mutilations too.

>>41397168
I'm not sure if they're "overadvanced humans" though.
I think those Greys are grown in vats for consumption, not genetically enhanced into anything. Maybe even genetically degraded, through engineering. Reduced, instead of advanced.

The concept of drinking blood is interesting as well.
If these other creatures can't produce their own hemoglobin, they would need an infusion from somewhere else.
Perhaps they got so sick from whatever mistake they made in the past that they've become completely dependent on blood transfusions, for which they can harvest those Greys.
>then why exsanguination
Doesn't the mouth of those cows and people look like it's been sucked off? As in, vacuum-pulled clear? Like a vacuum cleaner sucks air?
Maybe they were testing for compatibility. If our blood isn't compatible, we can't be harvested.
If animal blood here makes them sick, the animals can't be harvested.
If I'm not mistaken, the 2005 movie War of the Worlds said just like other versions that bacteria, germs from the wild killed the Martians, but in the original story it was bacteria and germs in the human blood they drank.
Our blood was incompatible with them, and it killed them.

Wouldn't it be strange if they needed blood to be a certain veiny, coagulated, structured way in order to consume it?
Like a silicious material that's growing inside people's arteries? Not everyone's? Just the vaccinated arteries?
What if the jab wasn't meant to kill anyone, but to make them ready for dinner?

>>41394213
>>41394224
>Matrix was originally a book written by H.G. Wells
... what the fuck? Did I slip through timelines without noticing again?

>>41397811
>Like a silicious material that's growing inside people's arteries? Not everyone's? Just the vaccinated arteries?
>What if the jab wasn't meant to kill anyone, but to make them ready for dinner?
The kill and cancer rates are too high if the material is meant to feed the ayys.
Cancer rates because eating cancerous meat is crazy carcinogenic, assuming terran physiology of course.
Kill rates because there won't be a lot of humans left when they arrive. Unless they're already walking among us.

>>41397811
Just to be clear since this is part of my point; they aren't drinking blood. That implies they would digest it for nutrients. They inject it into their bloodstream. The idea behind this would be your prey animal eats and its bloodstream saturates with sugars and and other metabolic products, then the martian extracts that food value by absorbing it from its own bloodstream. So the martian has a normal human biology when it comes to using the nutrients available in blood except they lack any digestive system.
Presumably they would excrete any waste products on their skin... As ammonia... Which also tracks with them being described as "wet."

>Our blood was incompatible with them, and it killed them.
This is one of those things that I think we've misinterpreted in the adaptations. There are tons of animal bloodborne diseases and pathogens that are harmless to humans because our body won't touch them. But a martian who has been in a sterile society and environment for thousands of years would be highly immunocompromised by our standards. Basic diseases that were widespread at the time like syphilis and herpes could be fatal. But again these things are only harmful if the martian biology was more similar to a humans' then even most mammalian life.
I don't think this was an accident. There are too many ultra-specific explanations Wells gives that lead you to this conclusion.

>>41385079 (OP)
Very interesting, thanks, I had no idea.

What's an RTS?

>>41398708
Real time strategy game. It's a bit of a cult classic and was directly based on the Jeff Wayne album.
https://youtu.be/-KuM_HWs1lA

>>41398819
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Wayne%27s_The_War_of_the_Worlds_(1998_video_game)

Is this the only game, or are there others?

Wells imagined a universe in which evolution never occurred apparently.
The viruses and bacteria that we arose from, the viscous violent evolving genetic microcosm does not also pre date the aliens arising from a similar virus/bacteria/water-bear world?

It was 30 years between Darwin publishing On The Origin of Species, bacteria and virus were known. Microscopes existed.

How would the aliens build space travel tech without knowledge that optics works to magnify and study bacterial and viral life.

WTF did the aliens evolve from Wells?
WHAT WAS THE ALIENS TAX PLAN WELLS?!?!?!!

This book is not about nature or science. It is a spiritual reflection on how the Materialist man is a demon from another 'world'.

Two lines in particular stick out. One is the first sentence
>that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water.

This is how jews treat spermatazoa once they observed them wriggling.

And near the end of Chatper two regarding the discovery of "Creatures from Another world"

Wells writes, and I quote.

>The newspaper articles had prepared men’s minds for the reception of the idea.

Does this sound familiar?

Don't get on the ships bro.

>>41399754
Man is born in freedom but he soon becomes a slave
In cages of convention from the cradle to the grave
The weak fall by the wayside but the strong will be saved
In a brave new world...

>>41399060
There was another that used the Jeff Wayne license but it was more obscure, I think it was on playstation? It was an on rails shooter.
There were also a movie games made from the Tom Cruise film. And a platformer in 2011 based on the 1950s film on xbox.

It is the most adapted scifi property ever behind Frankenstein.

>>41399754
>>41399794
There's a bit of the artilleryman in all of us

>>41385079 (OP)
thank u for reminding me of the ice cube disaster

>>41404638
what disaster

>>41399754
that looks dangerous

In Drowned God, the "drowned god" is actually an ayylien with tentacles that looks similar to how these aliens are described. They came to earth and ruled as gods while also genetically engineering humans with their DNA. They were masters of biological machinery and such too.

This thread owns.

>>41385118
How do we distinguish between the abridged and unabridged ones? Thankfully the only one I ever read, I downloaded from Project Gutenberg probably 20+ years ago, so hopefully that's the one I've been reading.

>>41397014
>Tolkien
As an Arda sperg who excitedly re-reads the twelve volume History of Middle-earth series, I want to believe Tolkien literally translated obscure hidden stuff that he found around 1910 or whenever, up until has latter years. The original untranslated manuscripts were probably so rare - or scholars simply ignored those old tomes - that nobody would believe him so he just made up the frame narrative. But past lives, channeling, automatic writing, or other interpretations are also possible. He admits multiple times in (now public) writing that he didn't just invent stuff - it simply came to him as if it had already happened. He claims something like he rarely had actual control, the story just wrote itself.
>He may have used Britain and European archetypes to display the stories, such visual themes to give it structure
This is my take, too, whatever the source of the rest. He had to make it readable and similar enough to modern things so it was familiar and people could relate. It's like he translated the stuff, and then made fan fiction about some of it. Especially the War of the Ring which was not just a poem or an encyclopedia entry which was normally his style, but an actual full story he had to make. While I'm here, it's worth noting: Tolkien was basically a poet at heart, and has reams of pretty clever and fun poems, but poetry didn't sell. Some of the poems were epic-length in ambition, and though none were "finished" they are still freakin long. This generation's "Homer" could have been literal classically epic poetry, but was reduced to prose form. To try to sell his early stories, in fact, he often reduced his poetry to a prose version.

>>41407007

>In Drowned God, the "drowned god" is actually an ayylien with tentacles

I love tentacle monsters so much. But also, where can I find more information. Sounds interesting, I heard about this game alot, but never about the tentacled aliens part. Was this dude killed over tentacle being disclosure?

>>41407269
>How do we distinguish between the abridged and unabridged ones?
Since it's in the public domain it's been published by everyone and their grandmothers. There's no easy ay to tell without direct comparison to the original. It's fairly obvious though; Wells uses syntax that is considered a bit inaccessible today. Of course if you're used to reading any of the classics the style is no problem.

>automatic writing
It's worth mentioning this has always been popular with creatives. A lot of famous people, especially in the early Americas and during the European occultism revival focused on hypnogogic regression for creative inspiration. Jefferson and Franklin both developed methods for self-hypnosis and hypnogogia.
These conversations always make me think about how the authors of the US Constitution would famously get worked up arguing to the point of shouting at eachother while writing it, and they would adjourn and all pray for guidance when this happened. Considering the US basically exists purely because its citizens wanted religious freedom the fact a group of people with diverse beliefs and disagreements on the nature of the divine knew they could resolve their problems through prayer says a lot. When it comes down to it this is just another method to guide writing.

>>41409063
>the fact a group of people with diverse beliefs and disagreements on the nature of the divine
They were all freemasons anon, you know that right? Don't fall for their theatrics, because behind the curtain they're all buddies

>>41409489
They were buddies regardless so I'm not sure why that's relevant. There are disagreements in all groups my point was the US was founded on the notion of secular freedom above everything else so the founding document is one example of different ideologies sharing the same creative process.

>>41410603
>They were buddies regardless so I'm not sure why that's relevant.
>why is it relevant
it's because their idea of "god" or "divine", is not quite as diverse as you said it to be. Weird thing to imply that they don't worship same deity/deities

>>41412108
Hypnogogia is not a religious practice; I offered examples beyond prayer. It was an example and my comments have nothing to do with specific religious values so it seems irrelevant

bump

https://youtu.be/LGQkkHuwm6w
John Lear talking about the theory that cattle mutilations occur because cow's blood is used as a food source

>>41399780
>Does this sound familiar?
can you elaborate more on this stuff.. lay it out in less vague way

>>41417667
>cow blood as food source
How barbaric *sips choccy shake*

>>41418960
Sure, I'll try bulletpoints of what I take to be facts about TPTB. My post was suppusoing War of The Worlds as a book may have been written to support or propagate ideas that TPTB desire to spread amongst the common man.


- Fiction alters your perception of reality in a way that makes you predictable

- Some percentage of the population are mere resources derived from the fact that Atheist Materialism is true as an explanation for reality. Just as its true you have no moral obligation to your minecraft world.

- Men of this opinion have used various names and organizations to use the ideas implied to achieve their goal of optimally exploiting our reality for their advantage.

- These men agree that using media, culture, technology, law, and military, they can fabricate an extra terrestrial invasion to use as cover for implementing the final phase of Globohomo/NWO/New Zion/Mandate of Heaven/Ascension/TotalMatrix/Whatever name you wanna call man as a creature permanently subjugated.

The plot and tone of war of the worlds has been used to condition humans to beleive the absurd and nonsense notion that creatures infinitely more powerful than us can come and subjugate us unless we abandon all individual culture and unify as "ONE RACE"

hope that helps!

>>41394213
>The Matrix
Wait. What?

>>41419199
>increasingly acrobatic logic that could apply to anything ever made
Why is the entire premise of your statement fear?

>>41419479
I do not find any of these allegations frightful, anymore than I'm afraid of Allah smiting me, but there are people that both think it will happen and want to destroy my right to make drawings of goatfuckers. I'm simply supposing war of the worlds works a bit liek the Quran for Zionists (Who are not really followers of Judaism)

>>41419199
>The plot and tone of war of the worlds has been used to condition humans to beleive the absurd and nonsense notion that creatures infinitely more powerful than us can come and subjugate us unless we abandon all individual culture and unify as "ONE RACE"
interesting. So it's possible the 3i atlas is going to be some kind of project blue beam type of event, or certainly something that could be mistaken for one. Same as when messiah/christ comes, people are not sure if it'll be christ or anti-christ .. how this "mystery" is even baked in one piece , where even the elbaph giants don't know the true nature of their god Nika, if it's a god of destruction, or a god of liberation. So it would seem having strong will and being able to navigate through the mind control that might be attempted, is the key to salvation maybe? I saw some anon once say in some thread regarding NDE stuff, that once people die the beings will do appeals to pathos and ethos to try trap them back to reincarnation cycle/reincarnate earth, but it could more precisely be about to "lose their will" once you buy into their lies (same thing Imu does in one piece with his domi reversi, gets people riled up/appeal to their emotions and once they're angry imu can overrule the will of the person/their defense mechanism drops). Having a strong will and being able to navigate these mind tricks, I think that will be the key to things to come, whether it's manmade project blue beam, or legitimate aliens coming for harvest (which would give reason for trump to prepare nukes, if them coming here wasn't actually "part of the play"). It's mostly speculation what or who they are (obviously we're not going to be told by TPTB), but having a will and being able to question different narratives, will play big role I think.

>>41419899
Azazel said ur a fag

>>41419199
>>41419899
*yaaaaawn*

bump

>>41393485
>Did wells create 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea or is that someone else?

>>41419899
dangerous based

>>41425647
A classic

>>41419276
The trannies adopted it for screen they didn't entirely write it.

>>41428993
I think they were force feminized by that dominatrix after red pilling too many people , the information from another thread seems to allign with this >>41426381