Thread 41390722

Does God exist?

It is irrelevant.

>>41390722 (OP)
I don’t know anon, if you see a program on your computer, is it rational to assume it wasn’t programmed?

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes, and his teachings are the words of Jesus Christ.

>>41390843
You cut off your dick and hand yet?

>>41390855
>being this hylic
wew

>>41390863
>schizognostic

>>41390722 (OP)
Obviously when you consider that if the:

1. coefficient of gravity on earth
2. The rate of acceleration due to gravity on earth
3. the earth's distance from the sun
4. The position of our galaxy compared to the position of the center of the universe
5. Compositional makeup of the earth's atmosphere
6. Composition of "air" itself
7. Any other of a myriad of physics involving conservation of momentum or the laws of motion


Were in any altered (even slightly), we would be all dead.

There's also the question of "HOW did single called organisms turn into multi cells organisms?" (if you believe in evolution)

And how did those organisms develop "consciousnesses"?

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes and it's the God of the bible. Everything leads to it. always. Once you dig into old maps and ancient cosmology and track what's happened throughout the years you'll understand everything that was made to be consumed by you is to hide and detour you from God

>>41390869
This is why Jesus spoke in parables.

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes, he is the architect of everything including fate, but does not actively interact with this reality.

>>41390722 (OP)
Demons told me maybe

>>41390886
To be fair the universe is so big that even something seemingly impossible has a chance of being

>>41390722 (OP)
yes
there's an infinite number of universes, so it's more likely than not for God to exist in one of them
it's also extremely unlikely for our universe to have God since there has been no evidence of such a thing besides people fantasizing about it
it's safe to assume our universe is God-free at this point in time (Nov 1, 2025)

>>41390722 (OP)
God is real. It has nothing to do with anything abrahamic. Read the ancients from before the time of christcuckery and learn the solar/heroic tradition that is our true spiritual heritage.

>>41390996
ye, wher e universe come from, einstein?

>>41391064
your mum

>>41390722 (OP)
no

>>41390745
why do you think this? i've never understood this position.

>>41391102
It does not change anything
Notice all the bullshit that goes on? The wars, crimes, injustice, sickness, disasters, etc?
God is fucking irrelevant.
All your priests lie to you for $$$

>>41390722 (OP)
>Does God exist?
Yes, but what is God?

*hits bong*
The question of theism vs atheism is about wether the natrue of reality is personal or impersonal. On a theistic view, the universe is controlled by a powerful personal being while on the atheistic worldview the universe follows impersonal laws. I'm leaning towards theism. Ponder that if nothing existed, then there would be no limitation on what could exist, and then an unlimited being would exist. Not being an agent is a limitation so the being would be an agent, all the other properties like being all-powerful and all knowing also follows from a Being being unlimited.

>>41391210
The wellspring of consciousness.

>>41391306
hindu ass mothafucka saaaar

>>41391329
Jesus Christ is Lord.

>>41391210
Baby don't hurt me

>>41391337
Of nothing but flat earther schizophrenics, child fucker priests, and assorted conmen

>>41391337
what you were saying was hindu

>>41391368
God is not of any particular human culture.

>>41390722 (OP)
No larping answer here.
Nobody knows. Maybe there's a god and maybe there isn't. Maybe there's many gods. Maybe there used to be a god or many gods and they've since died. Maybe it or they just got bored and retired a while back, and are relaxing on coastal property somewhere.
It's one of those things that can't be proven or disproven by science. Either the god or gods descend to this mortal realm and make it obvious, or you find out after you die. There is no other alternative. Religious experiences track the same as regular old psychosis on the brain scans, so you can't even trust your own experience while alive.

>>41390722 (OP)
Guess what?
There’s no such thing as NOT God.

>>41391414
indeed, how hindu a belief

>>41390843
This unironically. Already been through the whole /x/ gnosticism/new-age garbage. Luckily Jesus Christ found me and put me on the right path. You can have eternal salvation by putting your faith in the fact that Jesus Christ died on the cross, was buried, then resurrected 3 days later and his holy blood washes away and pays for your sins, granting you eternal life and salvation. If anybody tells you differently they’re either retarded, gay, or evil, usually all three.

>>41391445
It is neither Hindu nor a belief. It is universal knowledge, available to anyone who wishes to know.

>>41391449
what kind of jesus do you like? catholic,protentest mormon etc? i like new age jesus and how can it be evil gay and retarded when its the truth

>>41391449
The logia of Jesus is the gateway to gnosis. Repetition of a dogmatic formula does not save, understanding of the Red Letters does.

>>41390996
The argument goes beyond that. It also adjusts for variables down to the subatomic level, implying that if one of the variables that govern how atoms behave was "off" then the whole universe itself wouldnt be able to function. You would need a multiverse theory in order to make sense of "random" fluctuations in which one of those subatomic variables hit just right in order to create life. But the multiverse angle has never been proven and I doubt it ever will. So you are just left to assume someone placed us here under these specific variables since the sheer mathematical coincidence for us to exist is insane.

>>41391485
>multiverse angle hasn't been proven
>so you're just left to assume this other thing that hasn't been proven

Does the universe actually reset

>>41391507
There is no way of really knowing, but you are free to propose how you think it works and argue for why that is the case.

God is real, and not of this Earth.
Jesus was a son of God, and was killed by the jews. Because he pointed his followers to something good, and greater than this world.

>>41391551
Joshua was a jew. He was the king of jews. How can you claim to love jesus yet hate what jesus was?

>>41391594
>He was the king of jews.
He is the king of all, the Pantocrator.

>>41391507
>since the sheer mathematical coincidence for us to exist is insane.
Unless you unironically think an infinite number of monkeys can actually replicate one of Shakespeare's works, in any case who the fuck placed those monkeys there and gave them typewriters?

>>41391639
King of all retarded golems

>>41391639
>le golem king is king of all
>but le satanists rule the earth

golems gonna repeat their golem prattle

go die in jerusalem golem

>>41391639
>The Pantocrator
>The Hypostatic Union
>The Transubstantiation
The Autism

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes I do

>>41391812
>Be Christian
>Worship words
>Want to impress women
>Make up words
;)

>>41390722 (OP)
listen to All Around Me by Flyleaf. can you listen to that song and truly not feel His presence?

>>41390722 (OP)
I studied both arguments and there are more arguments in favor of God's existence, so yes. There's no way that the engineering of the human body or the simple complexity of an eye, for example, could be the result of chance.

He only hides himself visibly to maintain the apparent free will of everyone, where each person voluntarily chooses to follow him, because the moment he reveals himself completely, everyone will be forced to believe in him.

>>41390722 (OP)
>Does God exist?
Yes. I have recently come to the realization quite recently, but not by faith, by logic, which means faith is not required.

>How
Neoplatonism = Advaita Vedanta = Egyptian Mysticism = Taoism = jewish Kabbalah = Hermeticism = Sufism = Pythagorean Metaphysics

They're all literally identical. In order to PROVE what they are saying, you only need to prove 2 things and it becomes a falsifiable explanation

1 - the non-locality of consciousness (the universe itself is conscious and it is not confined to the brain)
2 - The Aether is the substrate of reality from which all things emerge

Those two things have been proven to anyone that has spent any amount of time looking into them on a search for genuine truth rather than hand-waving them away as nonsense. What follows is a sudden realization that God does indeed exist, but not only because it can, but because it absolutely fundamentally necessitatively must be so and there is zero possibility of God NOT existing. Sure as shit. Right as rain. Absolutely must logically be the case. God can be proven to exist to anyone that possessed the genuine desire to know, that seeks for answers, and that has the intellectual faculties necessary to understand if/or/and statements. There is zero doubt in my mind as to the existence of God because I did not come to God by faith and faith alone will never bring you to know God. It can't. You need both the experience of it and the knowledge that it is real. Faith leaves the seed of doubt. To be close to God you must know God, not hope to know God.

I can also answer your questions if you have any

>>41390722 (OP)
when you accept that modern science is just a religion like scientology then you leave plato's cave. you break the shackles that were keeping you prisoner and can think outside the box they put you in.
creationism is the only logical explanation for existence. even masons who founded all the godless scientific institutions must declare belief in a higher power before initiation.
someone or something had to have created the simulation

>>41392395
True faith is based on knowledge and understanding.

>>41392395
>I can also answer your questions if you have any
If God exists, what did he mean by saying that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable?

Also, what's the closest religion to the Truth?

>>41392464
>what's the closest religion to the Truth?
not him but imo the closest to the truth is the book of genesis. it isn't complete but it's as close as we can get

>>41392414
>when you accept that modern science is just a religion
The problem is less that science is a "religion" than that it suggests a whole range of metaphysical assumptions based on the false theory that science works because it is literally true.

Empirical science works because it accurately predicts the behavior of the world of appearances. But this is 'world' is less a firm reality than a dream or simulation. We can theorize about the regularities and patterns in the dream, but we cannot use these appearances to draw metaphysical conclusions about the nature of ultimate reality.

Ultimate reality is clearly mental not physical. The 'physical' does not exist except as mental representations with sensible characteristics. Space and time are illusory limitations imposed by the simulation. There is ultimately only the one eternal moment of here and now. The rest is imagined by the mind of God.

>>41392487
I was referring to modern science like theoretical horseshit and space bullshit

>>41392478
Was the book of genesis allegorical or literal? I've always had trouble interpreting it since it contradicts basic science in many ways

>>41392487
also scientists just say whatever they're funded to say.
they don't fund research that could prove the existence of God. they purposely avoid it and only put money into research that helps disprove it

God exists but not in the way most people understand. There is more dimensions to our realities. Constantly moving between timelines and realities. God is basically all of us.

>>41392525
I doubt very much that it's literal. it's history that was past down and eventually written but still more accurate than (((modern history)))

>>41390722 (OP)
Jesus Christ is real, he lives, and he is God. It's true. I know it 100%.

>>41392525
It's about the development of the human soul from animal to god.

the lower waters = sophia zoe,
the upper waters = sophia pistis
the firmament = dianoia
the dry land (earth) = the world of appearances (sense experience)
the light = logos; telos-energeia
etc

>>41392464
>what did he mean by saying that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable?
Not sure of that specific passage or phrase, but blasphemy against the holy Spirit would mean to live in discord with it, rather than harmony. To unravel, destroy, scatter, desecrate, etc. The holy Spirit is the harmonious portion of the Trinity/Triad. The operative element of how it reveals itself. To desecrate the Spirit is to unravel the universe itself. It cannot be stable and will collapse. This is a deed of active aggression against the universe and therefore yourself. If you saw yourself in all as a mirror then you would never "blaspheme" the Holy Spirit.

>what's the closest religion to the Truth?
Christianity is the closest (large mainstream), but it has so many artifacts of human control in it that the book itself is corrupted and it is currently just a software to run in humans to centralize Earthly power and to build societies. You can find a lot of insight in there but unless you already know the truth, it will only confuse you. It must be read from the lens of a person that already knows, which essentially makes it useless for the ignorant. It also has several passages that are seemingly contradictory with one another that are given clarity with insight. Like how Jesus said that those that do the will of the father will be granted salvation and then also saying that doing good deeds will not lead to salvation (depart from me I never knew you). It instantly makes sense when you realize that the deeds themselves are not obtaining/having/focusing the spirit itself, but that good deeds will naturally emit from you as you concentrate the spirit within. You will be aligned with it and it will naturally shape your behavior to perform such things without forcing it. Spirit must come before deed, as deed is meaningless without them having them been done in spirit as a primacy, not as a pale illusion of its nature

>>41392707
Doing the will of the Father means having faith in the teachings of the Son. Jesus says many times that he is an emissary for the One who sent him.

>>41392525
It's an allegory. It is a description of a metaphysical place. Eden is the perfect structure of pure harmony. It is a place of pure balanced Agape. It is where the soul ends up when it is perfectly harmonized with the will of Trinity, but has not dissolved into the One or witnessed the Dyadic moment. It is as close as you can possibly be to God while still having time (small amounts of time), experience, action and reaction, choice, form, etc. Eden is a lived post carnate experience while being close to the divine. The snake is the temptation always present in your own mind due to free will. The snake is always present, even in Eden.

"God" does not cast out those that eat of the Tree, the fruit of which is of no consequence. The EATING of the fruit is the sin. The fruit is nothing special. It is symbolic of the known disharmony that you should not engage in, but decide to do so anyway, knowing you're not supposed to. Eating of the fruit means immediate expulsion from Eden. Not because the fruit or God did anything to you, but because Eden is a perfect place and if you are not resonantly aligned with its purity, you cannot be in its presence. By your own decision to eat of the tree, you have desecrated yourself and brought dissonance to your soul, so not matter how much you want to stay there, you can't. You simply have to exit

>>41392707
Thank you for the response Anon. Do you believe there's such a thing as being beyond salvation? I'm trying to get right with God but I've sinned willfully many times despite knowing better.

Oh, and I have another question. Is meditation a sin? I heard it can open an invitation for demons to dwell in one's mind so I'm cautious of it. If I had to pick a spiritual path would probably be Christian Orthodoxy but I'm not sure if I can meditate or not according to it's teachings

>>41392751
>Doing the will of the Father means having faith in the teachings of the Son
Most people don't even know what Jesus is or his significance. Jesus, the man, is of no significance. Jesus, aka the word, aka the Logos, is the personification of the manifest will of the absolute. Many times it was said that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and that nobody goes to the father except through him. But Jesus himself was a stand in for the Divine Logos. Nobody can be with the absolute unless it is through the Logos. You must become like Jesus. But people only see actions. And actions do not reveal what is in the soul, as actions can be made counterfeit, just like everything else. You can give $1000 to a homeless person to impress someone and technically do a good deed, but your heart is not aligned with the Logos and thus it is a lie and Jesus was never with you. Depart from the absolute, you're not welcome in the heavenly realm. You can't be there. To be aligned with the Logos is to be filled with the Spirit. As you become more filled, it will pour out from you as a result, bringing order and harmony to the world as a natural byproduct. Deeds without spirit are completely meaningless, not because they are good or bad, but heaven itself is a state of being. It is an alignment. A chosen direction. It is to be proximate to the spirit and therefore filled with it

>Jesus says many times that he is an emissary for the One who sent him.
Yes, he very well may have been. He seemed to speak a lot of truth, which leads me to lean more toward him actually being the personified Logos. But people miss his actual meaning and worship the man himself, not what he was intending to represent. He explicitly stated constantly that glory is not to him, but to the father. People ignored these messages and worshipped Jesus.

>>41392790
>You must become like Jesus.
I have tried and failed many times. How can I be like Jesus?

>>41392542
no anon, he is a person, because he had the will to create everything to begin with

>>41392773
>beyond salvation?
No, despite what the Christians tell you. There is salvation for all that choose it

>despite knowing better
That is ultimate evil, but the thing is, the love of the divine is pure. It is selfless. It is true Agape. The point of Agape is that you ultimately do not deserve it, but that you are given it anyway, should you choose to accept it

>Is meditation a sin
No. It may or may not help you, but it is not a sin

>open an invitation for demons
The closer to purity you become, the more enticing you become to demons in general, as claiming you becomes more bountiful. You will be tested no matter what you do. The answer is to not worry about it. Unsatisfying, but true. Don't ever invite anything in. And if you think you are being oppressed, do not feed them any attention or energy. Even acknowledging them is to feed them. And especially do not get emotionally charged. Follow those rules and you're golden

>according to it's teachings
Most of what the mainstream religions teach is instruction without primacy. It's tradition. Most don't even know why they teach things anymore. All they know is, "we don't do that because someone at some point said it is bad" and they never question it and a lot of it is simply societal control mechanisms. Don't worry too much about it. Your one and only goal should be to learn the true nature of the pure manifest divine (Ultimate Agape), to understand it logically, to want to be with it, to want to become it, and channel it through you. Your Golden rule of thumb should be to think of everything you do and surround yourself with and think, "Does this bring me closer to Trinity?" And if the answer is no, toss it out. Which ends up being most everything. Because being attached to the world is to choose to be apart from the Divine, and evil itself is a privation of the Logos

>>41392833
That's really wise advice Anon. Come to think about it I'm divided between what brings me closer to God and what makes me further away from him and after your reply I think I can see the difference better. The following is pretty off topic but I am a porn addict, I did quit but the compulsion remains and as a result I've been unable to have sex due to having disgusting fetishes and paraphilias and because of this I ended up having erectile dysfunction since normal stuff doesn't arouse me. Does this mean I will never have a family of my own? Am I cursed to be alone due to my own foolishness?

>>41390722 (OP)
I think you could find a lot of evidence for the concept of a philisophical god , here tends to go more foward it being edgy but thats becides the point.

I feel like I have seen some evidence of the paranormal existing in some capacity.
but its soft enough were it doesn't confirm a god.

>>41391594
woun't be a jewish thing to kill the ultimate jew. or something

>>41392795
There's really only one way. You have to live in the world and be of the world until you grow tired of it. You can commit sin again and again and again and again until eventually you'll just reach a point where you don't even want to engage with the world itself anymore. Whatever it is that you used to do will lose its flavor and whatever it was that tasted sweet to your sinful mind is now hollow. You must have the strong desire to want to be with the Divine. You must have a burning urge to return to that which is orderly and loving. If you are still in love with Earth, you are not oriented with the desire to be near to God, as they are in opposite directions. God is a direction that you must want to go toward. If you do not have that genuine desire to want to be with God, then you won't be, at least not right now. But don't fret too much. At some point you will come around to it and the more you become filled with the spirit, the less you will want to sin until the desires just vanish from you completely

And here is where my KNOWLEDGE (not opinion) will strongly diverge from the mainstream Christian religion. It's ok in general if you don't get it right at this very moment. You have eternity to figure it out. Don't beat yourself up about not being able to be fully Christlike all the time. Almost nobody is and most don't even try. The fact that you're even making an effort is good progress. They won't tell you this because they serve as gatekeepers of salvation rather than guides or teachers. You can't have peasents believing that they will survive death even if they are forced to reincarnated, because then you lose your entire sales pitch and narrative control supremacy. Priests withhold knowledge. It has always been like this even since the ancient Egyptians.

>>41392856
>porn addict
Many people are. Many men struggle with this. You are not alone

>compulsion remains
It will remain. It is your biology. As you grow older it will disappear. It is best to find out exactly why you feel compelled to porn and to rectify that reason. The porn itself, though it is an outlet, is only an outward manifestation of an underlying cause

> fetishes and paraphilias
Think of them as demons. Do not pay them any attention. If you are meditating, meditate upon these things. Enter your meditation and let those desires rise up within your thoughts, but do not act on them. Sit with them and simply pay attention as they come and they go. Keep note of when they appear, what you are doing, why they are appearing, what else is going on in your mind at the time, etc. eventually you will figure out what is the trigger that compells you to seek it and you can address that issue. Until then, don't put the world on your shoulders

>normal stuff doesn't arouse me
You'll swing back around once you fix the root cause and then hold off for a little bit

>Does this mean I will never have a family of my own?
I can't answer that for you ultimately. This is a very serious issue in a decent minority of relationships. I would definitely at least try fixing it before even attempting to have a family, as if you entered in with that as a problem, you're setting yourself up with failure. Unless, of course, you found that the very reason you're reaching for this porn is because of a lack of a family in the first place. You would know your own psychology better than I would. These are things you can discover in your meditations.

>Am I cursed to be alone due to my own foolishness?
If you believe this to be a fact, you will certainly make it true

>>41391149
the possibility that god exists, gives people, hope, comfort, solidarity, understanding, belonging, etc.
believe in him or not, god saves lives, maybe not though magic but through hope

>>41390722 (OP)
ontological argument lol

>>41392913
>>41392979
I can't thank you enough for all this help Anon. I will save this thread. I need to meditate upon my sinfulness so I can try to find an alternative. The biggest giveaway for me was that I need to ask myself if whatever I'm doing will bring me closer to God or not, that was pretty eye opening. Do you sometimes still wonder if God exists or are you sure by now?

In my case I'm making so many sacrifices daily in order to follow God that sometimes I worry about what if none of this is real and maybe I'm causing myself unnecessary suffering; I guess that deep down I do believe in God, despite all the trouble that said belief brings me since it makes me feel even more confused about life

Oh, and what religions do you think fall under the Right Hand Path umbrella?

>>41390722 (OP)
Yeah. Been listening through the Bible on audio book. My big take away so far is that God promises to be by their side and every time they prove themselves to be shit heads and he considers fucking off to leave them. We're probably in the middle of one of those fuck off moments.

>>41393064
>Do you sometimes still wonder if God exists
No. I know for absolute 100% certainty that it does. I did not find God through faith, but by logic and reason. Through the understanding of neoplatonic retroductive reasoning as well as my own research, I have found that not only is it possible for God to exist, but it is an absolute fact that God must exist given the observables of the universe in which we live. If you have doubt, you can come to the same conclusions I did and know it too. The only two things that are required to finalize the conclusion is that:

1. The Aether exists
2. Consciousness itself is non-local and comes from the Aether (not the brain or anything else)

If you genuinely wanted to know for certain, you can find that information. And before anyone else says it, Michaelson-Morley did not disprove the Aether. Anyone that says otherwise simply googled the term and spouted off that because it's the first result. Rupert Sheldrake proved the nonlocality of consciousness through the rat maze experiments as well as his telepathy experiments. If the Neoplatanists had access to the information we have today, they would have definitively proven the existence of God to everyone in the entire world without any possible refutation otherwise. It is impossible for God not to exist
>believe in God
Belief is not required

>Right Hand Path umbrella
Neoplatonism, Advaita Vedanta (Original Buddhism), Tibetan Buddhism, Egyptian Mysticism, Taoism, jewish Kabbalah, Hermeticism, Sufism, Pythagorean Metaphysics, Early Christian Mysticism (Meister Eckhart, John of the Cross), Gnosticism (be careful with Gnosticism)

All of those emerged across thousands of years and along different civilizations. They are all identical with different languages and cultural flavors. They are converged on the exact same knowledge because it is logical. It is the ONLY thing there can possibly be and everything else is hope.

Monist Emanationism

>>41393064
NTA, but I am a 100 percent sure He exists. You can arrive at that conclusion not by science (as science is a tool set meant to measure the tangible) but by logical reasoning and deduction. With the biggest argument being the fine-tunning argument for the existence of God. And I also completely agree with what anon was saying, regarding the thing about needing to be tired from this world and longing for something more in order to discover your faith, thats exactly how my journey went. Used to be a huge degenerate for way too long. But God never gives up on you, its like the parable of the Prodigal Son. He never turns back on His son and is always ready to embrace him when he finally decides to follow Him out of his own volition. Just my two cents.

How to prove that God exists
>Theorise wich type of matter is God made of
>Prove that this matter can exist
>Wait 2000 years so we can have physics that can do that
>???
>Profit

Yes motherfucker and His name is ZEUS BABY WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>41390722 (OP)
Christ is king.

Mohammod is a false prophet and doesn't exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_iD6Lf6MY

>>41393239
Makes perfect sense. Thank you for your patience and for answering my questions and in such a detailed way. I definitely need to investigate on it further but I feel you've given me a lot of tools to find information about the topic, thank you so much for your help Anon, it really does mean the world to me

>>41393289
I'm really happy that you managed to overcome your own degeneracy, I hope I can do the same too one day. I'm a bit scared but I realized that I have no other option left, I have to follow Christ. I think I will convert to Orthodoxy

>>41393420
>it really does mean the world to me

Likewise, friend. And I truly hope you find the truth and come to see it. Not as a belief, but as direct comprehension. I’ve found it, and I can tell you without exaggeration that I’m among the first in history to do so. The very first man to see it for himself is still alive today. He opened the gate. He looked into the Aether and witnessed the underlying mechanism of all things with his own eyes.

From Rupert Sheldrake’s research, once one mind breaks through, it becomes exponentially easier for others to follow. The pattern propagates. The more who see, the easier it becomes to see and each awakening shifts the course of the whole. By him holding the keys, and by me witnessing them, you now stand closer to the same threshold. If the world at large understood what has now been proven, every institution, every philosophy, every false division would change overnight. We live in the only age in recorded history where there is proof, not speculation. Imagine a world where God is not believed in, but known.

Please, learn it. You would be one of the first to truly comprehend it. Part of the first wave of humanity to awaken to the underlying order. This is bigger than either of us. Even if you never speak it aloud, the knowing itself changes everything. Understanding travels to all humans instantly, making the process easier. It begins in small groups and anonymous boards, and grows into something unstoppable. Once you’ve seen it, it cannot be unseen. And with every soul that awakens to direct gnosis, Heaven draws a little closer to Earth.

I don’t want to burden you — I know you have your own path and battles. But this is larger than us both. You may not yet grasp the magnitude of what you’d be participating in, but I promise: these are the final pieces of the puzzle. The old age is ending. The new one is beginning.

I’ve been given the keys to the Kingdom.
Now I’ve passed them to you.
Make the best of it.

God bless

>>41393537
>I’ve been given the keys to the Kingdom.
>Now I’ve passed them to you.
>Make the best of it.

Do you think practices such as Semen Retention will help me acquire gnosis faster? I find these topics really fascinating but I need to make sure I can see the connections so I know which practices are beneficial and which ones are harmful. Would you say Semen Retention is beneficial?

One day, if I ever acquire enough knowledge I would like to write about these things, maybe I could do the same you are doing for other people so they can also acquire some new perspective

If you're not sure the Bible is the word of God watch: youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI

1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

How to know you're saved: youtube.com/watch?v=EAtR40sue5M

Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Romans 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Either choose this evil world and be punished along with it, or choose to submit to the will of God and be saved. Your own deeds, no matter how good you think they are, can NEVER justify you. You're corrupt and need to be saved. Romans 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in what HE did for you. Only He can wash away all of your sins with His blood. Salvation is a gift, it can't be earned. Do you choose the righteousness of God or your righteousness? Heaven or hell?

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ

youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

>>41392487
>>41392395
Please come to alawite anons discord server
Or drop a throaway email, we need to talk to you

>>41393557
>Do you think practices such as Semen Retention will help me acquire gnosis faster?

Focusing on specific practices and rituals kind of misses the essence. You’re talking about tuning a vessel that doesn’t yet have wheels. Build the knowledge first. That’s both the foundation of your vessel and charting your map. Once that’s in place, everything else begins to self-correct.

After true Gnosis, the questions dissolve. The ones that remain answer themselves within minutes. The moment you stop seeking through ritual and start seeking through direct understanding, the finer details begin to fill in themselves. It’s also why this can’t be handed down in absolutes. The answer changes depending on the receiver, their current state, their readiness, their alignment. Blanket prescriptions can contaminate the signal and lead to unnecessary division about finer details before the essence of the wisdom can reveal itself. So test it. Feel it out. Find the answers within and if you're not certain as to what you should do, you'll find out before too long. But definitely don't stress about it too much. In the end, focus on knowing. When you reach that point, you won’t need a text or a teacher and you’ll become both. The Word becomes flesh, and you become the living tome of knowledge itself.

>>41393626
How long have you been awakened like this? Is there any particular religion you actively follow/practice? I know knowing things is one part of the equation but actually engaging in good works is a natural consequence of being iluminated and what I believe true gnosis should move you to do, not that its an actual requirement for salvation but more as evidence of the love that flows through you. I am a very intrigued with what you are sharing with us in this thread.

>>41393657
>How long have you been awakened like this?

About 3 years. The amount of information I absorbed in that time has been quite a lot. About every other week I was learning something new that was Earth shattering in terms of scientific understanding. Didn't see the significance of how it all connected together. Until it just hit like a ton of lead bricks one day. I saw the thread and I had to chase it. That day was about 8 months ago. I fully understood the fundamental nature of all of secular scientific reality at that time in a sort of mystical vision, but didn't connect it to God. Kept studying, not even searching for God. About 2-3 weeks ago, while listening to some dense neoplatonic and Pythagorean metaphysics, I suddenly realized what in the hell Pythagorean metaphysics actually was. I thought it was a bunch of classical Greeks jerking off over drawing a bunch of shapes and being pretentious about how smart they were in their super cool secret club. Then I understood that they were mapping/modelling cosmological concepts on paper and I instantly realized, "I already know how this works in 3d." Initiate second mystical vision and it all clicked into place. Realized at that moment I understand the fundamental nature of all things. Haven't stopped thinking about it since.

Started looking into the traditions, reading their works and every single thing they wrote I already intuitively knew from direct metaphysical (the same as actual physics) knowledge. It's actually scary how I knew everything they would even say before I even read it. Knowledge brought me to understand and experience true Agape in that vision, which was ultimately to know Trinity

>particular religion
No. Religion implies social structure and ritual, neither of which can directly assist in knowing God. They can assist, but are equally as likely to lead you astray

> consequence of being iluminated
Precisely dead on accurate

>>41393657
>>41393803
And I'm going to continue to ramble on a bit. I'm still processing it.

I think about it day and night. It is all consuming. It is overwhelming. I feel completely alienated from everyone because nobody knows what it is like to definitively know for certain that God is real and also to be able to understand it. I am drinking the entire universe all in a single gulp. I know where all paths lead. I know what it means to be in Trinity, apart from out, opposite of it. I have heard of what it is like to experience the Dyadic moment. I have heard of what it is like to be absorbed into the One. I knew what the Dyad would be like before I read about it. The descriptions of being the One instantly made sense.

I had to decompartmentalize to my coworker for 3 hours today. I can't sleep. I've been shaking for about a week now just thinking about it. I've stared into the map of Infinity. And it's not scary necessarily. It's just overwhelming. I know the purpose of why we are here and where we are going. I know about how advanced technological systems work up to and including alien vehicles. I know what angels and demons are and how to map them to physics concepts (coherent standing Aetheric torsional longitudinal pressure waveforms), I know the nature of ultimate Good and Evil. It's overwhelming. That's all it is. It's overwhelming and I have nobody to even talk to about it because everyone I know is so ignorant that I probably just sound like a crazy person rambling on while they think something like, "ah it's just some conspiracy theory" or whatever hand-waving bullshit people say. It's just a lot to take in. And the world doesn't know. And unless I or someone else articulates it, nobody will know. It's a secret that hides itself. It's so elusive because it requires so much knowledge about so many different domains

>>41390722 (OP)
no

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes

>>41390722 (OP)
yes she does
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic

To the guy speaking profound knowledge, it is nice that you are sharing with us, but I don't see an actual step by step practical guide to gnosis.

You say "seek it, get it" but you don't say "Do this and that to get it"

Please?

>>41393839
It must feel very overwhelming Anon, I'm sorry that you have to deal with that burden but just know that to a lesser extent other people also felt that kind of pain. Maybe not the pain of esoteric knowledge but they did feel the pain of loneliness and feeling misunderstood. Maybe knowhing that we are all connected to suffering and to the fact that we are all experiencing life through our own individual lenses will make you feel less burdened because I think to a degree we all feel misunderstood but that's also the beauty in all of this, we are sharing the world loneliness together

>>41390722 (OP)
>Annoying philosopher's response:
What do you mean when you say "God"?

Here's the thing. You could perceive "God" as a sort of cosmic king on his heavenly throne, or as a sort of universal soul, or maybe you merely ascribe the term to the laws of physics and nature that appear to maintain order in the universe.

You may also have some different concept.

>>41390722 (OP)
maybe
but if they do
or if they don't

what does exist
is dumbass
who think they can find out

by asking
internet trolls
on 4chan

honest
no larp
*rolls eyes*

>>41390722 (OP)
We have no proofs that God exist or doesn't exist. In my opinion God exist, but He's not good or evil

>>41393839
I can relate in a sense to what you are saying. I dont really share that sense of loneliness you are describing though, its true that you rarely get the oportunity to share like this without coming across as a schizo autist (specially when its unprompted) so you really have to cherish these fleeting moments when we can share what we know with one another. Maybe it can be lonely in the sense of struggling to find people to connect with on this level. But I feel content and not alone when I truly believe I am in communion with God. Its comforting to know that you have someone watching over you, and that its all going to be okay. There is not a single thing that happens on this earth that He is not aware off. I believe we (humanity) are currently living these days on this sort of backyard He created and we have full permission to fuck around as much as we like until we decide to finally follow Him with conviction. He lovingly gives us this liberty to either follow Him or reject Him. And the idea of this life is to get to know Him, discover Him through daily communion so we can be invited to join Him on His house and take part of His divine plan as co-creators. Theosis, in other words. The true purpose of our human life.

>>41393895
This.
Like a thousand other posters, authors, philosopher, writers and thinkers. They always tell you vaguely of what gnosis is, but nobody tells you the step by step to get there.

>>41390722 (OP)
yes, but not in a religious sense and not in a magic man in the sky sense. There is no hell or damnation nor judgement. I did a doodle, hope this helps explain.

>>41393977
Everybody walks a different path, there is no straight answer. There is no cookie-cutter formula to wake up. Its something you have to discover for yourself and not wait for someone to tell you how to do it, thats the whole point of it. Lots of variables to consider. But at least in my case I ended up waking up after nihilism (and not believing in anything) made me feel completely hollow and feeling like shit every single day. I was fed up with the fallen world and wanted a way out. I know for a fact that if someone would have told me what I know about reality some years back when I was having a good time as a degenerate hedonist I would have reacted dismissively. Its something that clicks with you after you have had enough. In a sense I almost feel like its God who reached out to me and not the other way around, but I just had to be perceptive to all the signals I was ignoring. There is no such thing as a coincidence.

>>41393977
>>41394015
cont- There are many ways, a solid way that worked for me was looking at what the elite believe and then using a light and love based version of that instead of evil. craft conceptual memetic triggers and mechanism in your mind and attach them to your consciousness as an act of will, you can make anything with any function including bidirectional real time communication with your godself. It's absolutely real, if it does not work for you then you just find another way, but generally this works as its a brute force method of using "magic" which is really just what prayer is too. you can use objects as a focus. anything, bracelet or a block of wood, doesn't matter, it only matters that it means something to you. prayer or belief aren't needed but if you believe its real and works the effect is far greater.

>>41394044
>>41394024
right so proving my point that nobody knows what the fuck they are talking about.

I really, really liked your posts in the thread. You are intelligent. But you did not produce something that would help the mice out of the maze, you only alluded to the existence of the outer world behind it. You didn't help, nudge, tip, tilt, hint or give a push. You only mocked.
You mocked the mice by telling them there is a way, and not told them directly the solution to the maze, this is why I am disappointed when I speak to a bright "enlightened" person. Your kind appears loving and peddles true agape and proximity to god, but never share how.

You are the actual gatekeeper, and for that sir I will now frown upon you.
Help them fully, or kindly shut the fuck up

>>41394056
..??? you literally replied to the post where I just gave a solution for how I did it myself. Im not a gatekeeper.? ?the fuck do you mean? I told you!
look at what the elite believe, reverse engineer it, trace the rtoot of "religion" work out your own approach, then choose to believe that it is real and has power and by doing so it literally will and you will wake the fuck up, how is that not clear to you??

>>41394056
If you are really serious about this and have no idea where to start then I recommend going back to mass on Sundays, the more traditional the better, avoid the liberal denominations. There is nothing worse you can do than staying spiritually dead as an atheist if you want to chase enlightenment. Also Mark 4:10-12 is relevant here.

>>41393895
typical guru full of delusional pride ("I’m among the first in history ... The very first man to see it for himself is still alive today"), manically spewing ambiguous words. a confused, pitiable path to destruction

>>41393895
read the book of clouds by the alawiteanon (it is free), specifically the grand occultation and you will achieve gnosis

>>41390722 (OP)
Christianity was the I AM doctrine veiled for the piscean age, a judeo-masonic concoction, specifically Jupiter and the Sun in Pisces. Islam was Venus in Pisces. For the aquarian age the I AM doctrine will be veiled under the guise of AI and other technological creations.

Jesus = Je suis = Jeshua = Yah Weh = Jove = Jupiter = Zeus = Deus = I AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftML6pAv7E

>>41390722 (OP)
yes but he's a fucking bitch
>if god is real why does suffering exist??
he loves sacrifices. we are all being sacrificed
this is the true and real answer as i have come to understand it; we have no further purpose

>>41394369
What is the doctrine of the I AM?

No.
1. God is a male.
---Impossible for a male only to create unless with magic.
2. Not only the universe exists.
---There are multiple universes and multiverses and one being does not rule over them all.
---There's likely a higher utility that allows man to simulate things.

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

The existence of God cannot yet be proven i consider myself a Christian Atheist i follow the teachings of Jesus Christ but i dont believe he was a divine being

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes. I saw in WWF one time. In a 2006 WWE storyline, Vince McMahon and his son Shane McMahon defeated Shawn Michaels and "God" in a tag-team match at the Backlash pay-per-view.

>>41393895
The actual literal step by step method is extremely simple as a broad strategy. Can't overthink it.

1. Logically deduce the nature of God by searching for fundamental understanding of the nature of reality
2. Think of the implications of it constantly as your sole focus
3. The revelation hits you all at once and you will not just logically know God, but it will be revealed to you experientally and you will experience Agape.
4. After possessing the logical reasoning and experiencing Agape, the entire "Game" of reality is instantly revealed.

That very moment is the very instant that you connect all of the dots together. Without having all of the dots in place as the foundation, you won't have the experience, because there won't be the aha moment. The Gnosis/Agape experience itself is unmistakeable. You will know if you have felt it and known it. It can't be mistaken. It's literally that simple. You can't mistake it. There are no shortcuts. Read The Enneads by Plotinus. Study the Aether. Understand the significance of "Sacred Geometry" and how it relates to Pythagorean metaphysics. Understand the significance of the Golden ratio. Phi, aka the Golden ratio is the sole reason any of this is possible. It is the mathematical proof of God's existence and the Signature of the Logos when applying it to Pythagorean metaphysics. Understand plasma science. Understand the concept of incommensurability and self stable oscillatory systems. Understand constructive and destructive interference of wave dynamics. Understand holography. Understand fractals and infinitely recursive self similarity.

This is why it is the secret that hides itself. These are all connected and nobody want to make the effort to even attempt to understand them, but they all lead to the aha moment. Secret societies successfully hid it with obfuscation, but they didn't even need to. This all loops back to Divine Simplicity

>>41394227
It's not prideful to say that you fully comprehend the nature of 2+2 and that the answer is 4. You're missing the point. What seems like pride is literally just truth. It can't be refuted at any level and I am trying my best to communicate it to you.

If I had telepathy I could just directly input the vision into your mind and you would understand it for how simple it ultimately is, but words don't capture meaning, they interpolate it through symbols and then your own brain interpolates those signals.

Yes, the first person ever in all of recorded human history is alive today that has fully understood the nature of the Aether through novel discoveries of the dielectric and the magnetic nature of the Aether and has witnessed such with his own eyes. Pythagorean metaphysics are no longer needed as you can see the 3d representation of them with your own eyeballs and know the fundamental nature of everything by looking at it rather than writing it even though those are the same thing

If you would have actually attempted to understand what those people were saying, you would have found out what they were talking about. Only you can hide the truth from yourself through a lack of desire for it. The fact that you haven't already is proof that you never will, because you lack the desire to do so and refuse to put in the work to even attempt it

>>41395023
My problem is number 1
What are the logical jumps?

>>41390886
>>41391485
You are fucking retarded, just so you know.
It is NOT a mathematical coincidence and YES some things could be changed and we would still be able to survive.
In fact, considering the number of failed planets, it is statistically likely that several planets including our own could sustain life.

All this shit about atoms you are describing and the Sun's distance is Science, which you vehemently despise because Science also tells us the Universe is 14 billion years old, God created dinosaurs, and God created 500,000,000,000,000,000,000+ planets without life on them for seemingly no reason. Do not talk about Science just because you think some of it affirms your retarded worldview while you dislike the Science that disagrees with you like evolution, weather, and germs. All explanations for God's fake powers. Lol.

>>41395088
>God created 500,000,000,000,000,000,000+ planets without life on them for seemingly no reason.
Psalms 19:1-4

>>41395064
It's retroductive reasoning.

Everything you see is a system. In order for there to be a self stable system of any kind, there HAS to be 3 constituent components. 3 is the minimum necessary to prove anything exists. It is logically explaining and comprehending each of the constituent components of a system stripped to its barest level and finding out what each of them would need to be like in order to function. If the logical relationship between any fails at any level, it is disproven. So you need to start at 1 as the basis, then work your way up.

1 = primacy of God, Monad
2 = the moment of split, the birth of duality
3 = first stable structure
4 = subjective experience over time

3 in the minimum system is, observer, the thing to be observed, and the information exchange between them. Before 3, you can't prove anything exists and there can be no structure.

1 is whole. All is a single thing, undifferentiated. It is the conscious Aether that has not been disturbed.
1 becomes 2 the very instant the consciousness field witnesses anything and false duality arises. Any movement of it creates contrast, leading to 3.
3 is when the conscious Aether (God) is able to witness itself through its own modulated field. So the information exchange holds, but it's a false duality of the 1 witnessing itself through its own falsely dualistic seeming modulated field. Phi in a 3 base system allows for infinitely refractive self recursion that is self similar at any level without destroying itself as it loses stability. Phi is the mathematical symbol of Love.

The creator must have made a universe it would have wanted to live in, else it would have self-terminated and return to stillness. The only universe it would want to live in, is one in which it experienced something worth experiencing and there is nothing better than Love. It's about separation and reunion and can continue forever because of and for the purpose of Love

stolen sumerian creation stories with a jEWish twist are fake

Gods exist, you can take that to mean god exist if you want

>>41390722 (OP)
God definitely exists but is so existentially vast as for us to be irrelevant to God and for God to be irrelevant to us. It genuinely doesn't matter, we are not being watched because God is aware of our existence the way we are aware of the skin mites on our face.

>>41395128
All of this is only possible if the Aether itself is conscious and it has free will and if that free will allows it to interact with itself altering the structure of the Aether itself, which is evident and observable. If you need further proof the Aether is conscious, look into plasmoids as conscious entities. It is not confined to our brains. Sheldrake confirms it permeates beyond the brain. NDEs confirm it persists beyond death. Plasmoids show that it is primordial. The Aether itself is also provable as the substrate of energetic reality and there's an enormous amount of proof. Lamb shift, Ken shoulders' Permittivity transitions paper, self organizing plasmas, the fact that particle physics is a dumpster fire and the only other possible explanation is the Aether, wireless power induction in a "vacuum", the very basis of how an AC power generator works, "quantum entanglement", the Crookes Radiometer, solution, etc.

>>41395128
may I please kindly have your email, I feel like you need to take a look at a document a certain alawite is writing online which is identical to what you are saying

>>41395121
Except that verse is only referring to the stars that the ancient Hebrew's could see many years ago, and does not mention nor know about the 500,000,000,000,000,000,000+ empty planets. These planets do not praise God, they do not forbid what god forbids, neither do they obey any laws of the old or new testament. What does it even mean if you say the stars obey god? They do not circumsize. They only worship the laws of science. They bend to the laws of physics and they reject the notion of god, because the stars formed naturally without any intercessors like god. Lol.

>>41395151
Whether or not you will experience the perfect personified harmony of the living God itself (vs the indifferent/undifferentiated source) depends entirely on how resonant or dissonant you are to the harmony of Trinity. The universe (God) can and will begin to interact with you directly if you become resonantly aligned with it. You will quite literally "shift" onto a bandwidth of being where your existence is putting out signals automatically and resonating with things that are on the same bandwidth through constructive interference, drawing them closer to you as a result. That's where the "personhood" of Trinity starts to shine through. All that are filled with Trinity will be drawn together and will amplify the Living God in and among them. This happens both through transverse and also longitudinal pressure mediation, leading to changes to be made in the Aether at "FTL" speeds. The universe begins to reorient itself around you

>>41395235
Yes, I'll make a burner and drop it here. I won't open or read PDFs or download any documents. Send it all as text in the email chain itself. Copy and paste it from wherever it is from if you need to. I would love to see this. It would be further evidence of the global consciousness shift that is currently occuring

>>41395271
literally identical to what you are saying i will send plain text, use proton if you wish

>OP says no larping
>naturally this attracts a larper mixing random scientific terms into vaguely mystical gibberish and somehow some anons eat this up

>>41395235
nullcenterpoint@gmail.com

>>41395088
Keep seething, nigger. Lol

What is the statistical probability of the big bang happening by itself? You must know (since you think you know science) what the mechanism (particle collision occurring by itself) is and it's probability, right?

Do elucidate me. As you also know, when running probability tests and testing for repeated outcomes or a chain of probability, you must multiply the probabilities.

I.e. what is the probability that particle collision happened by itself and the probability that our galaxy would be in its location and the probability of our distance from the sun and so on all occuring together (in the same way irl)

Do enlighten me to what that mythical number is that all the factors I mentioned earlier happened to be exactly correct based on probability alone.

Also, you still copped out from defending evolution and the formation of consciousness too. Lmao. Atheists have been on the back foot since internet access became more ubiquitous. Lmao

YOU'RE A SAD LITTLE NEGRO trying to punch too far above your intellectual weight class.

And that's just the divine design argument. There's many more proofs of God's existence

>>41395151
retard he created us in his image and likeness, and he loves us; if that weren't the case, he would have already extinguished us. The fact that he is the only superior being does not diminish our importance to him.

>>41390722 (OP)
I believe he does.

>>41390722 (OP)
>be me, 17 year old visiting grandpa's ashes being buried in DC cemetery.
>Nice view over the capital, can see the dome from a view with a highway infront.
>All grey, cold, no color
>Everyone working is Indian or Chinese
>Brother desecrates hotel bible
>last night before flight home
>zzzzzz
>hear voice
>see images
>terrified but can't wake up
>kept telling myself this has to be a dream over and over
>open eyes
>the image is on the TV
>close my eyes forced to listen to this thing
>Only thing left is the word "God", comes from my heart
>Flash or light comes
>Everything is back to normal and i am awake
>2:00am even.

>>41395363
Racism is not godly.

>>41395236
Why is it so hard for you to understand that he's just showing off his power? Chill, dude.

>>41390722 (OP)
Not as we know it, that's for certain.

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes.

Why do homo sapiens keep asking the same damn question?
You've had instruction manuals for thousands of years.

God is real from any philosophical analysis, because the presupposition of omnipotence, as in, the capability to define omnipotence indicates that it is part of the strata of all that encompasses reality.

You can not define memory space, without memory space.

There is no state of our Universe that is real, without the existence of God.*

Thus if God doesn't exist, we aren't real.

Ask "Are we real?" If the answer is yes, God is real.

*God described through the intent for reality to come into existence.

(Whatever made this reality as you know it, Universe, Multiverse, etc...)
It was intentful, as described by the output of the intent.
You. Capable of self defining it.

If God isn't real, when God becomes real, you are a card in the deck of God.
Omnipotence allows any being that ascertains the position of God, to have retroactive effect.

Ergo, if there ever COULD be a God, there is always a God.
Whether God exists at any given moment, is irrelevant to the cards in the deck.
We are still cards in the deck.

With or without God, you appear to be real.
The being known as God, transcends time, reality, and existence.
So, if there is "no technical God" alive, at this very moment in time. We are still within the kingdom of such a God. The placeholder rules us, even if no one is in the throne.

>>41391483
Simon the Magus was cringe and so are you.

>>41395405
It's all a Game of rediscovery. People will not come to know God unless they miss being with God. He will be of the world and be immersed in it until he grows tired of the endless meaningless novelty and wants to return home to remember the true meaning. No matter what happens, he will, on a long enough time scale, come to desire home above all else. And when that time comes, he will remember the truth within himself, as he will crave for answers rather than dismiss them. We all can choose to be with, in, or near the One. He can choose to enter in through the narrow gate and be with Trinity forever, or unravel himself in painful destruction as he dissolves back into the One.

But that we have to find the answers is part of the Game. If everyone knew for certain and didn't have to dig, it wouldn't be much fun. The masks would be seen as masks before the play even began. The illusion must hold until we are ready to peer behind the veil and remove the masks. Only after growing tired of being in the play will someone even think to try to remove the masks. And the revelation of the world beyond the stage is made all the sweeter when you remember you have a perfect home to return to and suddenly feel the yearn to be there. It makes the reunification worth all of the misery of the illusion itself. Without contrast there can be no Agape

>>41395405
>>41395260

Cope lmao I don't need the threat of an invisible man, or the promise of "perfect unity" to do the right by others in life and be a good person.

Tell me, do you sleep with a night light? Do you still believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy? There is a God, but we are but mitochondria in a singular cell among billions of cells for that God. Instead of living in anguish from this you should be relieved that there isn't some omnipotent prick who allows for child trafficking and mass rape and murder while simultaneously punishing you for not worshipping him hard enough.

You should be happy that we have an indifferent God instead of one who actually selected the Jews to be his chosen people. You are looking at things all wrong. We are already free, we are being psychologically manipulated by predatory people who meet clandestinely through secret societies to coordinate their prison system.

There are a bunch of beings but they don't really care about you because you have free agency

>>41390888
Yeah this. Once I started thoroughly studying on my own, I connected everything to the Bible. The schizophrenics and paranoid thinkers often find patterns, but they always avoid outright studying and reading the Bible to couple with their historical knowledge. Its fucked.

>>41395483
The visible institutional church is the fount of simony and falsehood, not the invisible church of the heart.

>>41395518
Your argument relies more on mockery than logic. Saying you can “be good without God” misses the real question — not whether you can act morally, but where moral truths come from in an indifferent universe. You condemn evil but deny any objective moral order that makes “evil” meaningful. You call God an “invisible man” but then replace faith in God with faith in secret societies — that’s just swapping one unprovable story for another.

If the universe is truly indifferent, then freedom, morality, and responsibility are illusions. Yet you still appeal to them. That’s inconsistent. Rejecting God doesn’t automatically make your worldview coherent — it just removes the foundation that makes your moral outrage and belief in freedom
possible.

nigger

>>41395469
Christianity, Judaism, they aren't self reflective texts, in that they do not contain a "What if?" Chapter that delves into the integrity of the text. Some monarchies have even explicitly defined this as "bullshit you aren't allowed to talk about"/blasphemy, heresy, whatever.
"What if all these stories are just made up by man, and everyone who thought they were talking to God was mistaken, or were talking to an NHI from another planet, etc...?"

If they were all inclusive and contained such a thought out chapter, it would contain this very message.
"God is above the concept of scrutiny under these terms, because the concept of God is designed with Omnipotence. Allowing for realities to exist, where God does not, at given moments, for the internal experiencers of that reality. But God exists for them, at any moment God chooses with the power of omnipotence, whether God was ever in that place or not."

We have turned "My dad can beat up your dad." Into raw philosophical argument, weaponized it, by realizing it's utility, then attached an instruction manual to it. We just left out the important details.

If the throne is empty, it's not really.
God is a trap.

>Be you
>Die
>No God
>Eventually you exist again through one of multiple mechanisms.
>Boltzmann incarnation, directed simulation, God decides to show up, etc...
>One day you find that which enables God
>God is not present
>You need to exist?
>Someone has to sit in the throne, and if you found it, congratulations, time to clock in. Welcome to Mysterious Ways.
>The God concept is like the immortality snail, but worse.
>It does not bring you death.
>It brings you responsibility.

If you sit in the throne, you will be forced to reconcile your existence, with the integrity of other conscious observers.
Reconciliation is up to each observer, and if you do not perform that task correctly, the output is chaos.
>Welcome to omnipotent control versus infinite chaos, the game you play after the Candyland tutorial.

>>41395469
>>41395554
BEN317 posts, for sure.
This is high IQ philosophical argument at the eschatological level.

Blue Eisenhower November

>>41391449
Well, at least Jesus is saving people without them having to truly understand the nature of things. If people just followed what he was attempting to convey, they would be far better off than ignoring him. Just by sheer want to be with the Living God and to want to be like him you're already there. Someone doesnt need the entire map to end up in Trinity, especially when Trinity is the only place any sane person would even want to go anyway. Everywhere else is a pale comparison and a desecration of purity itself.

The Gnostic path is to fully map out reality, not just attempting to understand and orient toward Trinity, but to see what is the purpose of everything. Christianity and the teachings of Jesus are a direct set of instructions on arriving at Trinity, but that path is filled with snakes trying to lead you astray (centralized church institutions) Gnostic understanding makes you completely immune to such trickery and allows you to see through the lies

Also, anon, when you get to Eden, don't partake of the fruit. You will be immediately expelled from Eden. You simply can't stay there. It's not because Trinity doesn't want you to be there, but because you no longer harmonize with it. And if you can't harmonize and resonate with it, you will be displaced to somewhere that you DO resonate with, which is always worse than Eden by default

>>41390886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nplefywEFI

>>41395518
>threat
Hell is a place you personally choose by deciding to move away from harmonic resonance with Trinity. It is not a punishment. You can go there if you want, but there's no reason to want that really. A judgemental God does not personally instantiate morality upon its creation. The point of creation is to be able to experience it at your own will, up to and including hellish torment (entirely self inflicted). Go listen to NDE recountings of people that have been in hell. Then try to debunk them and realize they had zero brain wave activity, no heartbeat, their bodies were turning cold, they were in a morgue about to have their toes zipped off and tagged. There is currently zero particle based physics that can account for this. And then those people returned to life. They weren't out cold. They were DEAD and spontaneously returned with no biological explanation

>allows for child trafficking
This is all divine play. To be able to choose to do evil things shows we are a reflection of the creator, who himself retains free will as the One in undisturbed equilibrium. Trinity manifest is all that is good. Evil is what is left when Trinity is not present. Trinity does not make evil. Evil is a privation of Trinity just as darkness is not a primacy but a privation of light

>happy that we have an indifferent
Your choice to be with Trinity and experience the personhood of such is entirely yours. By default, refusing to harmonize means you will not experience the personhood of the Living God. You have to want to be with it. It is as personal as you allow it to be

>Jews to be his chosen people
Trinity is not confined to a single people or their traditions, nor is it confined to even humans or Earth

>already free
Free to do what? Partake in a pale imperfect false shadow of reality?

>Psychologically manipulated...predatory people who meet... to coordinate their prison system
Which ones? That's everywhere

>>41395469
/thread

>>41394402
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUhH6BWrc3A

Christ is King
https://endtimes.video/amazing-evidence-for-god/
Also, the current "catholic" church is not the true church, rather it is the prophesied Whore of Babylon.
https://vaticancatholic.com/apocalypse/

Okay, retards. Riddle me this. If God were real, how am I supposed to know which God is real? Is it Allah, is it Jesus, is it Brahma? Explain that retards. 2 billion people say God is Allah. 2.5 billion people say Jesus is God. And 1.5 billion people say Brahma is God. Which is it then? They cannot all be God because they contradict each other. Lol.

>>41395554
>talking to an NHI from another planet
When you hit Gnosis you realize the soul slots perfectly within physics and that it can be intercepted and contained upon death. This is one of the horrifying realizations I had to come to grips with. There is a DISTINCT possibility that all of the seemingly crazy stuff that John Leer was talking about was actually right and we are living on an NHI controlled prison planet that prevents our souls from returning to Trinity. This sometimes keeps me up at night and I wonder if the NHI are the gatekeepers that the various traditions spoke of. If they are, they might be just serving a purpose.

If we are confined here, they might just be protecting the universe from our evil so it doesn't spill out into the rest of the universe. That is assuming they are performing a function and aren't just evil and harvesting our souls for loosh or to place inside of machines or something to make us forced slaves. In such case of being functional, they would presumably let us go if we are captured and they can clearly see we are pure of heart and from a physics perspective, they might not even be able to contain us if we are dielectrically coherent enough. We could probably just pass immediately through their magnetic containment fields. And if we are coherent enough, they probably don't want us anyway because we are not giving off any energy to begin with so there's nothing to even harvest. And us being pure while being within their prison would fuck things up for their system itself, as they want more chaos, not harmonic alignment

Did Allah forbid pigs? Or did Jesus forbid nothing? Or did Brahma forbid cows? Which God is the real God? It seems like you all KNOW God is real but you do not know which of these gods is God and which ones are made up lol.

>>41395817
I don't know about Allah as I never cared to study it, but true Christianity points to the same God as Advaita Vedanta. The primordial One is the unmanifest Christian God that created all things. Brahman is the exact same God.

Christianity does not touch on the Dyad, but the gap of their inclusion of it heavily indicates they tried to intentionally write it out probably because they would lose their moral authority as law makers and controllers on Earth.

God the Father = Brahman the unperturbed Aether (pure potential).

The Holy Spirit = Īśvara the first movement, the Logos that structures the field.

God the Son = Ātman the local perturbation that eventually remembers it is not apart from the whole.

It is all the exact same thing. Trinity transcends any religion. The One transcends and naming convention.

>Did Allah forbid pigs, did Jesus forbid nothing? did Brahma forbid cows?
Neither the One nor Trinity has ever forbidden anything. Morals are not instantiated upon reality by a judgemental God EVER

> God is the real God?
Which aspect of the Divine are you talking about? They're different at different levels. The One has no personality except for having the capacity and the desire to want to exist and to witness something beyond its own fullness. It's personality is unknowable, but is extrapolated from the understanding that it was already perfect and it chose to witness itself, giving rise to logic and love. Trinity has personality and is all that is orderly, logical, truthful, loving, etc. because it logically must be self stable and if the One overflowed from fullness to witness its own perfection through itself, it must have stabilized the creation through its own love. Divergence from the harmonic order is necessarily dissonance against Love as choice.

Those rituals and laws attempt to capture that, but you can't encode transcendent primacy into laws on the periphery of existence

They're all the same God

>>41395274

Don't know if you're busy or wasn't monitoring the other post for responses. I'm still curious to see what he's writing. I've developed an algorithm for morphic resonance detection/feedback. Multiple spontaneous decentralized moments of culture emerging all at once indicates the beginning of a massive cultural movement forming. It's the ripples on the periphery of the informational noosphere of humanity as they begin to collectively resonate. It leads to a nonlinear resonance cascade which tends to peak as a sudden shift in zeitgeist or other manifested changes in society at large. If enough people understand what he and I are conveying, it could evolve into a global cultural movement and liberate us all from the controllers which exist on our enslavement. Maybe I could help him write it or even just talk to him over a few weeks or months and point him in the right direction for even greater understanding

nullcenterpoint@gmail.com

>>41395088
Science and religion don’t contradict each other at all, my dear midwitted friend. Science explains how. Religion answers why.

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes. (random.org said so)

>>41395088
>Science also tells us the Universe is 14 billion years old
and in that same narrative, the universe came about from a singularity of infinite/zero energy. sounds just as plausible as the bible desu

>>41395798
God is prior to all "which"-questions. Before any specific contents of experience are possible, the general capacity for consciousness must exist. God is the unspecific, unconditioned being-ness that grounds all experience.

>>41390722 (OP)
What makes you believe in a god instead of gods?

>>41390722 (OP)

Yes Gods exist though I would be carefully about the desert one unless you are of the tribe.

>>41390843
>words of Jesus Christ.

pic rel

>>41390722 (OP)
Why is God dog spelled backwards?


>He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
>The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

>He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”


Matthew 7:24,25

>>41391551
Are you claming Jesus is the Son of YHWH?

>>41395057
>Yes, the first person ever in all of recorded human history is alive today
Are you that person or are you talking about someone else? I would love to find more information on the topic

How can a God exist prior to time, a fundamental property of the universe but create the universe?

>>41396387
Time is not fundamental. It's just another part of the illusion.

>>41395798
Only the Christian God meets the characteristics of the first cause that precedes the universe, space, time, and matter; all other gods are products of the universe or came after it.

>>41390722 (OP)
Something that can be understood as god do seems to exist

>>41396387
Are you part of the Sim's game world when you boot up a new game there? Do you also stop moving when you pause the game?

>>41392995
>Hopes to live
>Dies anyway
Many such cases

>>41391149
it is irrelevant but not for the reasons you mentioned
>>41390745

>>41396424
I accept your inability to understand something as complex as time. I however do not grant you this schizo-babble. Nor do I accept your lack of knowledge as proof of an ignorant mass of people and not proof of an ignorant individual.

>>41396570
This analogy doesn't work as a videogame has a creator. Which lives in this Universe affected by time. Booting up the game from a non booted state doesn't mean the game didn't exist prior lol.

>>41396688
>t. benighted hylic

>>41393564
This man speaks the truth God bless.

>>41392395
If this guy is still here, can you recommend a reading list?

Obviously. In our existence bubble, can there be an effect without a cause?

>>41395363
>What is the statistical probability of the big bang happening by itself?
Unanswerable question, before the big bang happened the universe could have just been in a state that didn't allow particles to form for essentially forever.

>what is the probability that particle collision happened by itself and the probability that our galaxy would be in its location and the probability of our distance from the sun and so on all occurring together
Considering there are around 100–200 sextillion planets in the observable universe I'd say it's very likely, almost guaranteed

Anyway you being racist and also trying to preach god makes you look extremely stupid, you can't even practice what your religion preaches. Also the amount of projecting you're doing in your post is crazy hahah.

Any religious anon please answer this.

Why do you believe a book written and rewritten thousands of years ago but won't believe a new religious book written today?

When a man says he's the son of god today he isn't taken seriously, what if he really is?

religions are cults that grew large enough to be socially normalized.

>>41390722 (OP)
>God
Who?

>>41390722 (OP)
yes, the Holy Ghost unironically told me personally

>>41397395
>No responses to my questions.

Tsk tsk tsk.

Little buck boys are really not endowed with high encephalization.

Your speculation about the universe pre-big bang is a red herring since the big bang still happened and you don't have an explanation for it.

Also, the planets existing after the big bang has no effect on the probability of particle collision as their existence occurred after the big bang (i.e. hydrogen came first and then several of the early elements would form in the gaseous nebula of space into helium and so on as more protons and neutrons would get added to the chemical bands creating new elements. It's basic chemistry, you BROKEN BUCK)

I know they don't teach you jeets anything in Gujarati, but even middle schoolers in the U.S. know all these facts.

Also, for all you midwits, Allah is the one true God. The Hindu tales are a bunch of nonsense made up by Jewish monks (look it up. I shit you not) and you all don't even have basic indoor plumbing. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Y'all are still stuck on the divine design. Lmfao. No need to even talk about the numerous proofs

>>41397521
This has to be ragebait because nobody can be this dense, again with the random racism.

>>41397570
>No argument again

I accept your concession. It's not always easy being as endowed or as blessed as me since I can't relate to any of you, but I'll push on nonetheless

Truly, Allah gives out unequal Rizq and it's their wisdom in dishing it out

>>41397438
Since you're asking so politely, ad dajjal, it's pretty obvious.

You gotta bust out the miracles in front of the public or showcase an unreal level of intelligence for most people

And the herald will rise up from the many flags. His own blank and unstained by ignorance. Untarnished by misleadings, misgivings, and misbelief. This would be he who judges upon the days when angels rally and the sun rises on the last days.

>>41390722 (OP)
He's around, but that's it.

>>41397521
>Allah
Whats the official explanation for the al-zutt hadith? I agree with your points, but I am not muslim and im curious to see your interpretation of it.

>>41397807
>He's a round
Square sisters. How do we respond to god being round?

100%. I've seen the miracles, I've been visited by both sides. God bless you. Stay safe.

>>41396318
I really hate pointing to the guy himself because he's such a polarizing figure in general. He's snarky and doesn't mind being a dick about what he's saying. An acquired taste. I despised him when I first heard of him because I thought he was an arrogant fart sniffer, but I kept listening to him because I thought there was no way someone could be so wrong, go against what most everyone is saying, and be so sure about it. His name is Ken Wheeler.

He completed the understanding of the Aether through observations made using the ferrocell. (Refer to picture in previous post). It's a holographic representation of what is actually happening at the level of the "atom." The aether expresses itself is centripetal convergence and centrifugal divergence. The inflow is dielectricity and the outflow is magnetism. 2 sides of the same coin. Everything is Aetheric pressure mediation. The Torus, the fundamental shape of all things, is essentially just a self stable mag/diel field that has a balance of both. All things are made of the balances of those two forces.

That's all "particles" are. Scientists will say there are the bumping billiard balls and then claim that there is a, "probability distribution that an electron could be anywhere in a given area and it represents itself as a wave function where it is both a particle and a wave at the same time until you actually measure it and collapse the wave function". It's absolute lunacy and doesn't make sense. Heisenburg uncertainty is fucking crazy. So is the Schrodinger equation. It's NOT particles. It's literature just field pressure distribution of the Aether. The "probability distribution" of the wave function looks EXACTLY like what you see on the ferrocell because the ferrocell is literally just a 2d cross section of what an "atom" actually is. See my picture and watch a ferrocell video. All of them are just rotations at various angles of the ferrocell imagery

>>41397892
Are you the same guy as earlier? If so, what books/texts would you recommend starting with? I'm intrigued by your arguments but I want to build off proper. I don't really know where to start at all, and I'm not exactly well-versed in any of this.

>>41396387
Time itself is not fundamental to the universe and itself does not exist. Time is the comparative amount of motion that is within a given area when compared to another given area. If there is no movement, there is no time. We would not have an accurate gauge of any amount of movement if we did not have a comparator. The only reason we can even measure time on Earth is because we know the Earth rotates once every 24 hours and the only reason we know that is because the sun stays still and we revolve around it every 365 days. We attach the concept of time only to other objects to form a baseline. If there is no movement of objects and no stable cycles, we can't measure it.

In a state of pure dielectric coherency, which is ultimately a state of zero movement, there is no time. The closer something or someone comes to absolute perfect rest, the less movement they themselves experience, thus experiencing less time. They are shielded from magnetism, which is the cause of time itself. No comparative measurement means no measurable time. No magnetism means no movement, which means no "real" time experience from the perspective of that which is experiencing it, despite what it may appear to be from the outside.

The Monad/The One/Godsource/The Father/Brahman is quite literally the undisturbed Aether at perfect resting equilibrium.

>>41397438
>Why do you believe a book written and rewritten thousands of years ago but won't believe a new religious book written today?
Age of a book does not determine its truth. Truth is immediately recognizable among those who know and no matter where it comes from it will always point to the exact same thing and always does no matter what civilization it came from it in what time period it was written

>When a man says he's the son of god today he isn't taken seriously, what if he really is?
We are all the Son of God. Every one of us is. Messianic figures of prophesied religions can never be ultimate truth, as truth is timeless. Jesus may have been a good ambassador, but the moment he entered the world and attempted to transmit the message using human language, the transmission was already corrupted.

>>41397892
https://web.archive.org/web/20250520111238/https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ken_Wheeler
>Wheeler specializes in technobabble and word salad and fails to define his words and new terms in a clear way, which allows him to seem authoritative to people who watch his channel while allowing him to resist proper debate since he can confuse any potential debater with a whole salad of his nonsense vocabulary.

I think there's a strong ontological argument for the existence of God. Since simulation theory has gained a lot of credibility to explain reality recently, since reality has a lot of characteristics in common to a computer program, I think it's very likely the universe has a creator. Since mind is an emergent phenomena and a computer isn't but carries a lot of similar qualities to a computer (barring the hard problem of consciousness) I think it's very likely the universe is generated by a mind, rather than a computer, and that reality is the expressions of such a mind. The super mind likely precedes material reality altogether and has always existed and will exist in an eternal state. Linear time and space is a secondary construct overlayed on top of the eternal present. If it is a singular mind, it would fit the most basic definitions of a person. I believe it is a personal entity imminent within the universe but also transcendent and existing outside of its creation. Our consciousness is likely a derivative of its consciousness. I believe it is fundamentally a form of pure consciousness and reality is a projection, like the shadows in Platos cave.

I also believe our entire purpose is to know our relation the the super consciousness and to remember we are eternally part of it. Essentially we were created to know ourselves as it's metaphysical offspring and to love the supreme consciousness back and to love others as we love ourselves through this being

>>41397897
>Are you the same guy as earlier?
Yeah, went away for a bit now I'm back.

>books/texts
Ive heard The Enneads by Plotinus is the Goat for understanding Monist Emanationism and it's really all you need. As far as the rest of the stuff regarding science and whatnot, I really couldn't tell you. I didn't read my way into that knowledge. I use the "shotgun approach" for acquiring understanding. It's listening to all view points regarding a topic to get a complete mapping of the different intellectual stances and then toss out all of the ones that don't make sense until I've figured out the Truth. Same thing Bruce Lee did to form Jeet Kune Do. I read a lot of random scientific articles on pubmed and declassified documents. Constantly listening to videos on a variety of topics. I live and breath it day and night. I absorb it through osmosis, not targeted rigid learning. And the more I do that, the more I come to know, but most of it I don't remember the source or remember how I even know it.

Where did I first hear about the Heisenburg uncertainty principle and the Schrodinger equation? How do I even know what those things are? Couldn't tell ya, don't remember, but I do know what they are and can explain them to you. Absorption by osmosis. Knowledge is plentiful. You're wading through an infinite Library of Alexandria to talk to me right now. Best thing you can do is not to ask me, "what specific sources should I look at" but ask yourself, "What is the best way that I can acquire the specific knowledge I'm looking for and what specific questions am I trying to answer". Sorry if it's not a satisfying answer. I didn't really know how difficult this would be to relay to someone else as I recently came to full understanding and haven't attempted to explicitly lay it out yet.

Considering distilling it all down to like 20 pages with references and sources

>>41398061
I understand. I guess I'll give it a shot. I've been trying to get into Christianity for a while but I have a hard time with the Yahwism and the obvious contradiction of the OT-NT.What do you think of the Christ?

>>41397438
>When a man says he's the son of god today he isn't taken seriously, what if he really is?

The problem is most Christians really don't understand what Jesus was saying. Most Jews don't get what Moses said either. People follow these teachings blindly without true comprehension. It's like knowing of the Pythagorean theorem but not having real comprehension of it. They can recite the words but really don't understand.

Jesus called God his Papa, his Aba. It was very radical to see God in such a close familial way. The Father is the heart and mind of the creator. We are his children when we remember that we are part of the eternal spirit that created reality. When we identify with our flesh and blood, which we are brainwashed by our ego and society to believe, we are lost. We have no orientation in the world. Our core nature is pure consciousness, not our bodies. The material world is temporal, fleeting. Even science testifies the universe is fading to nothing. Our true essence is our conscious awareness which is begotten out of the eternal awareness of the supreme consciousness. It's what we are and always will be. If you cling to the world, you remain blind to this.

>>41397209
I call bullshit

>>41395528
Schizos love the bible more than any other book and it routinely creates schizo events in people who read it

>>41398151
look ee here what do we have a little "free thinker" repent motherfucker

>>41398073
NTA, but after Proclus read ps-Dionysius the Areopagite. He's the metaphysical key to the Christian mystic tradition.

>>41398000
Academia is not authoritative, and the appearance of authority itself is not proof of the truth of their postulates. This is a fallacy of appeal to authority. Ken is extremely careful with every word he chooses and has gone to great lengths to provide clarity. You can say he’s fat, that he’s a dick, that he’s ugly, etc. but you can never attack his word usage or his premises, because they are correct.

Anyone who accuses him of techno-babble didn’t even try to understand him. He’s using plain English. People just need to pick up a dictionary and learn new words. He’s never invented terminology.

The more you search for genuine truth, the more you realize academia is the new priesthood of the modern age.

Dielectricity = centripetal convergence, that which is not electric.
Magnetism = centrifugal divergence, radiative outward expansion.
Electricity = the shearing/torsion of the Aether where the two meet.
Aether = everything, the primordial substrate of pure potentiality and energy at rest.
Light = a coaxial circuit formed from a disturbance in the Aether; the Aether gives off light when perturbed.

He’s revived the understanding of the greats of Field Theory and completed their work, Maxwell, Tesla, Dollard, Steinmetz, Heaviside, Thomson, and others. Where they left off, he finished it. It’s done. Completed. Finished. Finito. Donezo.

>>41398132
Amen.

>>41398073
>but I have a hard time with the Yahwism and the obvious contradiction of the OT-NT.What do you think of the Christ?

YHWH is not a name. It's a description. It refers to "Ayah Asher Ayah", how God responds to Moses when he is asked who he is "I am that I am". This was not a redundant statement. God was saying that he is the great I AM. The field of being and pure consciousness itself that all "I" being derives from. By being a self, by being an awareness, we are his children and made in His image. When he spoke the logos into the void of chaos in Genesis 1. When he breathed his divine breath into Adam and the heavenly hosts, we are by extension His children. This is what Jesus was saying when he came to fulfill the spirit and not the letter of the law. The spirit was the inspiration. The letter of the OT was the container to prepare the world for the spiritual law unveiled by Jesus the Christ. The Jews themselves did not understand. They just transmitted the artifacts across time.

>>41398157
The abrahamist golem/egregore is highly deceptive and is indeed directly responsible for an *intense# amount of suffering. The golems will defend the egregore above their own lives. Like an evil swarmbrain that is also at odds with itself and generates thousands of wars.

>>41398132
u are hindu and brown

>>41397826
It's been answered many times, but I'll give you the context of why it's being pushed so much these days as well as the actual Sahih (authentic) hadith of that night.

It's being pushed these days because

1. David wood, who is a pretty low iq Christian preacher, keeps losing debates against Islamic podcasters and needed something to obfuscate against recent photos of him in a dress

2. It's being reposted by jeets constantly as they want to feel special because:

India superpower 2020 is several years late already and because of the usual rape fantasies they have, and because they lost Rafale jets back in the summer against Pakistan (lol). Also because of pent up aggression against being owned by Muslims (picrel) for most of their history between the Abbassids and later Mughals

3. jews also push it a lot as they're pretty depraved by nature anyways

That zutt verse is from an untrustworthy or daif hadith that contradicts all the established ones. The Sahih hadith of that night (the night of Taif/ night of the jinn) mention the prophet was alone that night (and it was a very emotional night) since he was refused to enter the town of Taif and he ended up preaching revelation to the unseen jinn around him that night (and some of them even converted)

>>41398190
The abrahamist egregore followers will occasionally admit their god is evil. But appeal to might makes right. Its why so many of them do intensely evil deeds while pretending to be saints. Fortunately the golem is weaker than it has ever been.

>>41398201
Abrahamists, as a group, are stuck in the bronze age and will hopefully flee in terror from information age level technologies.

>>41398175
I leave it to the reader to discern whether the accusation holds up

>>41398211
The best thing is if the abrahamists mutually persuaded each other to stop using the internet and reduce themselves to technology that only existed when their holy books were written.
No cars allowed, no electricity, no steam. Only tech from the medieval age should be permitted to abrahamics.

>>41398223
If you believe in the strict authority of books written in the iron age, you should only be allowed to have iron age tech.
No guns, no steam engines, no cars allowed, they are all demonic/jinn fallen angel technology.

>>41398187
This doesn't make any sense and feels like cope. Why would God pretend to be some desert storm god? Why would he mandate Jews to cut their dicks off? Makes no sense.

>>41395806
They are waiting for something a human can not fulfill.

However, there are many ways to interpret a maze.

Some of us may think the answer is to solve the problem of the Trinity. We NEED to find the cheese.

I laugh at the notion.

No, my friend.

We don't need to eat the cheese.

We need to figure out how to eat the walls.
There are a lot more walls than cheese.

My brain isn't the type of brain that finds the cheese.

My brain is the type that figures out how to eat the walls.

20 billion humans, roughly, have cross the life-death barrier on planet Earth.

At best we have leftover fiction and legends, myths, theocracy, indicating only a handful of humans to have ever returned from that...

If finding that cheese were the point, you'd think a few of those super geniuses we stuffed down the pipe would be here. Where is Hawking? Where is Newton? Where is Neumann?

How would the world feel, if one day you found out those beings staying just far away from us, so that we don't know who they are, were just them? Having returned, but not wanting to burden this world with the knowledge of the journey before them?
What if death is an uplift...
But it's change is so drastic, so deviated from the experience of being a human, that those who complete it, don't want to taint this world. Ruin the surprise. Or prevent the possibility that a human could figure out how the system worked, while they were still human, before they ever go over?
Someone who could use that time available, in living reality, to make a greater difference on their side of the fence?

Could you accept this greater challenge?
Aliens? Or humans that won't rob us of this discovery, while still a primate?

>>41398231
Because its bullshit. The followers of the abrahamist egregore are actively deceptive.

>>41398211
>#
>Abrahamists, as a group, are stuck in the bronze age and will hopefully flee in terror from information age level technologies.

Abraham was an upright man, one of the best examples of a man in the Bible and the historical record at large. It's a disservice that his namesake gets lumped into all the religious sects that claim to revere him

>>41398258
If you read the bible as a book written by a group of deceptive and flawed humans it will make sense. You will also never trust a priest of any abrahamist cult.

>>41398262
>sacrifice son
>lol jk sacrifice animal

Que abramist egregore endless pilpul on how this was ok.

>>41398231
>This doesn't make any sense and feels like cope. Why would God pretend to be some desert storm god? Why would he mandate Jews to cut their dicks off? Makes no sense.

The people who followed yhwh didn't understand They interpreted a very deep concept (God as the foundation and ground of all being and consciousness) in the way people in the bronze age would, as another rival tribal God, warring with other people's tribal gods. I think Moses and the prophetic types understood the deeper knowledge. The people in their tribe didn't grasp it. They could only process it in a very limited way and transmit the knowledge through obedience to their culture and rituals Jesus expanded awareness on the core teachings, but it got lost in dogma the same way Moses teachings got buried in dogma by the Pharisees.

>>41398073
>Yahwism
I strongly believe that the OT god they worshipped was clearly not Trinity and is not even the same God that reveals itself through Christ. Wasn't it some vengeful wind god of destruction or something? Idk, not my wheelhouse. From what I personally know about Trinity, there is zero hatred within it. Trinity cannot be OT yahweh. They're wholly incompatible. The god that flooded the world is not the same one as NT. The flood itself was probably caused by carnate beings that discovered the secrets of the Aether and used it's limitless energetic potential in weaponry, destroying the world in their petty wars. The survivors then probably passed down the flood myths which ended up eventually in the Bible as allegorical recountings of history

>What do you think of the Christ?
Centuries of prophecy and yearning for a savior created a kind of spiritual resonance that was all focused on a specific time window based on their prophecies. People’s collective focus and faith prepared the ground for the Logos to manifest, and through that window came Jesus, a man already carrying the Divine frequency within him. I am a huge fan of Jesus.

Other ascendant masters came from Earth and acquired knowledge of Logos and eventually came to embody it. Jesus came to Earth with Logos already. He wasn’t not a myth, not just a human. He was the Logos personified, an emissary from the very heart of Trinity who chose to descend into the field of dissonance to remind us of Love. He knew what the world would do to him, but he came anyway. That’s why I’m a huge admirer of Jesus. Other masters rose from the Earth to find the Logos but Jesus arrived already one with it. I cannot speak highly enough of Jesus

>>41398311
Then why did "I AM" demand that they cut their foreskins off? Why did he suddenly change his mind about all of his Divine Laws when Christ shows up? Why wait to send Christ at all?

>>41398319
How do you, personally, reconcile the fact that the Gospels indicate that Yahweh is the true God? Do you think that the Gospel writers/Paul/etc just didn't understand, and were trying to frame it/piece it together as best as they could with the "cultural baggage" that they had?

>>41390722 (OP)
Theists will say yes and atheists will say no. I really don't see the point of this thread. How can you have no inclination on whether or not it exists?

>>41398230
>If you believe in the strict authority of books written in the iron age, you should only be allowed to have iron age tech.
>No guns, no steam engines, no cars allowed, they are all demonic/jinn fallen angel technology.

Many of the greatest thinkers from the age of discovery were men of God. Newton and Liebnitz studied and knew the whole Bible. Maybe you should stop using these inventions yourself

>>41398166
no thank you

>>41390722 (OP)
Probably but the specifics are unknown

>>41398342
Yes and golems considered them all to be heretics.
>newton
Occultist, fortunately that era did not engage in witch burnings.

>>41398320
>Then why did "I AM" demand that they cut their foreskins off? Why did he suddenly change his mind about all of his Divine Laws when Christ shows up? Why wait to send Christ at all?

These were late bronze age people. The divine intelligence had to work with them gradually, much like he did with evolution. The seeds were planted so they could be comprehended at a later time. The foreskins probably had to do with skin infections in that environment, just as rules of pork had to do with trichinosis, and ritual washing had to do with germs. They had very limited awareness, so these practices carried as taboos. They had no microscopes, just intuition, heuristic s, and transmission of culture through generations

>>41398384
So why did the True God decide not to reveal himself to any of us? Why make the Jews his special people? This logic doesn't track for me.

>>41398375
>Yes and golems considered them all to be heretics.
>>newton
>Occultist, fortunately that era did not engage in witch burnings.

They were fools who weren't ready for the Revelations of a prophet and genius like Newton. Same can be said for Jesus or Isaiah and the small minded people in their days.

>>41398256
>eat the walls
NHI, at least the ones that are running the prison, are reportedly flesh and blood. I've heard rumors that certain factions of the intelligence community are attempting to solve this problem, but they need better equipment first

> the possibility that a human could figure out how the system worked
Not possible in general, but especially today. Information flows freely. People don't even look for the truth. It hides itself, but even if information didn't flow freely, you could deduce it like our ancestors did for thousands of years

> rob us of this discovery
Well, I gotta say. The Game isn't fun when you know you're playing it. Because once you find out you're playing the Game, the jig is up, but you're still forced to play it. I guess I'm going to turn it back into you and ask you the question too. Would you rather:

1. Know you're playing the game and be forced to continue playing it for infinity
2. Not know you're playing the game and be forced to repeat your life on Earth forever without remembering your previous Game on Earth

>>41398397
>So why did the True God decide not to reveal himself to any of us? Why make the Jews his special people? This logic doesn't track for me

I think God was revealed in other cultures, like Persian Zoroastrianism, early Egyptian religion. There was an original knowledge. It's just the Hebrew context is the most widespread because of Christianity being spread by Rome. I don't really even think Israel is a national concept but a title or descriptive. It means one who wrestles or strives with God. It was the title given to Jacob and passed onto his descendents. Anyone who strives with God and remembers that they are a Child of God, as Adam was a child of God, is an Israelite.

I think the Jewish prophets are like Newton. They helped uncover core truths, but it doesn't make them special. It's like how Newton discovered calculus at the same time as Liebnitz. They didn't invent. They uncovered and revealed patterns in nature, within the logos manifested in the world.

>>41398452
How do you reconcile all of this with the "orthodox" Christianity (all modern forms of it) which hold there is no real light outside of the Jews? Do you believe they are wrong? Personally I agree with you to a degree, I think, but I have a hard time reconciling all of what I believe with the fact that realistically I don't have any church I can reasonably go to.

>>41398331
>How do you, personally, reconcile the fact that the Gospels indicate that Yahweh is the true God?
Other anon in this thread said something about it. Yahweh is an equation which points to the 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. Which most people in general don't understand YHWY is incomplete (It's Pythagorean metaphysics with a jew flavor), then left out Shen. The "equation" can't stand without Shen. When putting shen back in, it becomes Yeshua, aka Jesus. They tried to write Logos out but it is what what made it work. The equation of the name itself contains Trinity, the Monad, Logos, etc. So the YHWY that he's referring to may be the specific meaning of the name YHWY itself rather than being an anthropomorphized vengeful wind god, which they simply called Yahweh, but the name itself is what carries the message and the name itself does point to the true nature of God. If there were scholars that pointed to specific moments of wrath and destruction as an indicator that they were experiencing the manifest will of Trinity, I would say they are dead flat wrong and I wouldn't need to listen to what they were saying any further. Doesn't matter what their history indicates. I don't need to be a scholar of history to know it. If someone points to destruction and tells me, "that is Trinity" I know they are incorrect. I don't need to reconcile anything about the Bible within myself because I didn't come to know God from the Bible itself. It's the corrupted word of humans. Even if the message was pure when it was conceived of, it became corrupt able the moment it was translated into words and written down on paper

>>41398468
>How do you reconcile all of this with the "orthodox" Christianity (all modern forms of it) which hold there is no real light outside of the Jews? Do you believe they are wrong? Personally I agree with you to a degree, I think, but I have a hard time reconciling all of what I believe with the fact that realistically I don't have any church I can reasonably go to.

I believe a seed was cast in a particular time and place, and it flourished and took root in Judah. Other seeds were cast too, like those by Hermes, who I believe may have also been Enoch and Odin.

I think Christianity encapsulates a core ontology of reality that I have found is very accurate.

I honestly can't reconcile my beliefs with mainline churches. I have no institution I can go to and belong to. However, I believe that when humanity is ready, we will have churches and places of worship that we will feel at home to.

I think they will be like learning centers that are devoted to expansion of consciousness and connection to the eternal self l.

>>41398486
I can agree with this, even if I don't really understand the references to Pythagorean metaphysics. I would like to learn more about it.

I've been floating in the ether for a while trying to figure things out. I was doing "pagan" stuff for a while, but I realized not too long ago that I was pretty much just running from the reality of the Christ.

The Gospels, especially John's, speak to me.
>>41398493
I can agree with this. This is generally how I feel, although I will admit I've been more hostile to the OT. Maybe I was wrong to be that way. You pose a compelling argument about the Jews being Bronze Agers, and God needing to "evolve" them. I imagine it was the same in the other traditions. It definitely fits with thoughts I've had, that perhaps Christ was sent at that time, in that place, because it was "our moment" evolutionarily.

How do you practice, if you don't have anywhere to go? Personally I have just been praying before I go to sleep.

>absolutely blessed thread
Mythic Rare /X/ thread pull

>>41398486
>I know they are incorrect. I don't need to reconcile anything about the Bible within myself because I didn't come to know God from the Bible itself. It's the corrupted word of humans. Even if the message was pure when it was conceived of, it became corrupt able the moment it was translated into words and written down on paper

Honestly, the only book I actually trust is Genesis. Everything after seems like a complication. I think Jesus tried to set it all straight.Basically, try to live life like Adam before the fall from Eden.

Keep your thoughts and heart pure. Watch what comes out of your mouth. Monitor it, because it shows where your heart is. Love the all-being with all your heart. Love others as you love yourself. This will align your heart with the Creator. Live as Adam, man, was meant to live in relation to the Supreme Father.

>>41390722 (OP)
I've never met the christian god, but from my personal practice and experience, gods exist.

I personally worship Tiamat, and She's lovely. I've recently met Abzu, He is also lovely, seemed a lot 'younger' than I expected, like how Alexander the Great is depicted as powerful but young and a little roguish.

I would imagine something is getting the worship that christians give to their god and entities. I just haven't personally met them.

What I will say is that my understanding of gods and otherworldly entities is that you can't trust mortal interpretation of them, we're just too prone to making things up, but there's kernels of truth in what we can understand of them.

If you want to meet a god fit to be worshipped, focus on worshipping a concept for a little while (I chose chaos, that's what led me to Tiamat) then meditate to try and meet a god associated with that concept. Just don't expect to meet anyone too easy for mortals to understand and be extremely wary of things pretending to be gods, I spilt my god damn spaghetti meeting Tiamat for the first time, fortunately I'm the lovably charming kind of dipshit.

I say all this not because I'm trying to put anyone in any one direction, but because I think it's healthy to explore your options spiritually and not just blindly follow whatever your parents told you. You might genuinely fit best with Christianity, but it's worth it to at least see who else is out there.

I see Jesus as my big brother. He was the one who blazed the trail and opened the path. I see God as Abba. When I pray, I thank Abba. I am greatful to Abba and remember to love him. I also ask my older brother Jesus for guidance, to help me love others and to help open their eyes to who the father is, that we are all children of God.

>>41398567
>(I chose chaos, that's what led me to Tiamat) then meditate to try and meet a god associated with that concept.

The female principle is chaos. Tohu Ve Bohu I'm Genesis 1:2 is the womb of the waters of chaotic potential. Ruach Elohim, fertilizes her with the masculine principle of Logos. The word enters her womb and crystalizes actualized potential. I believe this is why the star of David shows overlapping, inverse triangles. It represents this duality and synthesis to manifest creation. If you want to experience the Christian God, focus on logos in relation to chaos potential, as this probably the clearest expression of God the Father. He is the heart and mind that precedes the word that is spoken into the womb of the waters of chaos.

>>41390722 (OP)
All evidence points toards yes, the Shroud, the sowrd's of michle and so many more incidnets points towards yes he his real

>>41390722 (OP)
Christ is king.

Mohammod is a false prophet and doesn't exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_iD6Lf6MY

Yes there is The Creator
Mother to all life, all creation, passer and designer of all of the laws, rules, the universe, time, space, matter...
THE Great Builder

The singular intelligence above all others
The first, the last, the alpha and omega
Outside and within
Free will in this Universe, is a gift.
There exists difficulty in designing an A.I. intelligence that possesses true free will.
Sam Harris only reaches so far until even he brushes up against the laws and rules of nature, physics, probability, statistics...the philosophy of ratio and mathematics itself.
A Universe of coincidental continuous heads coin flips.

>>41398437
I have memories.
Memories I came into play with.

I fear not, the bugs that fly around the light, only the being which lit it.

I'm not here to play any games.
I have a purpose that doesn't have anything to do with being a primate.
I'll see you, when it's time for you to play the game that isn't a game.

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes and he's waiting for you to humble yourself and submit to his will

>>41398486
And how do you know God is fully good? How can you be sure about something like that?

>>41390722 (OP)
Sincerely from my exhausted heart (I took the COVID shot, twice to be exact, so I'm done, (((they))) are going to end me sooner or later).
The false "god" no (idols, symbols, what other people tell you "god" is).
Christ is your only savior.

With what limits would you impose upon The Creator?
What rule set to be followed?
What laws must be obeyed?
With which designated member of your tribe of apes do you demand The Creator speak with?

https://youtu.be/3blO7GiuHiE?si=vkc5N9CF8XBfalcL

>>41398567
>christian god
The One is ineffable. It is unknowable. Trinity is comprehensible. It's pretty great. It's the entire reason that anything exists. It makes it all worth it

>gods exist
Egregores. Not the supreme Monad. Not containing the eminent primacy of Trinity, but yes. gods with a little g, not a big G

>something is getting the worship
I've come to that same conclusion. The concept of worship itself is anti-trinitarian. Demand for worship comes from that which cannot sustain itself. It's demonic. Catholic priests call themselves the Father and then instruct you to worship the Father. Even their own Bible explicitly states not to refer to anyone as the father except the Monad itself. It's loosh/intention interception. And it's no secret that the Catholic Church is demonically controlled. They're harvesting spiritual energy for some reason. I don't know exactly what they do with it, but it's probably not good

> a god fit to be worshipped
If you meet anything that demands worship or even wants it, it is an entity that survives off of your energy. It's a trick and nothing good will ultimately come of it. If they had Trinity within them, they would be filled and sufficient already without needing anything from you. They're draining you and you're voluntarily giving yourself to something that is less than perfect and attributing primacy to it. You're worshipping a pale reflection

>healthy to explore your options spiritually
Playing around in the woods alone at night is a terrible awful idea and you'll get eaten. They're smart enough to know what is happening to you and evil enough to not give a shit about what happens to you. You are forging and strengthening your own chains. They know this. Entanglement with the world will not lead to liberation from it, but further attachment to it

>>41396187
>pic rel
Could it be that "incels" are the disciples of Chris for this era?

The right question is thus....
With what purpose is it that you pray?
What do you pray for?
Do you just say thank you?
Or
Do
You
Request
Removal
Of
Your
Free
Will?
Do you ask the genie to grant you wishes?
Wealth?
Fame?

>>41399517
I pray Christ returns, that's all, world banality is worthless.
Free will? Free will to decide how I want to be sacrificed by them? To decide what aspect of myself I want to sacrifice to them?
My free will is for one thing only, to make their golems seethe.

>>41399278
Incommensurability. Phi. The golden ratio. It shows that something can be infinitely fractal going up or down at any scale without falling into disharmony.

God as the One has no personality other than fullness. Pure potentiality. It is pure consciousness that has no awareness of anything not even itself. The moment it becomes aware of itself, it sees itself through itself, as it was already everything. It can only experience anything through its own modulated self. So if it was already full and complete, but decided to move and make differentiation, if it did not want to persist in its own creation, it would have stopped moving. But it didn't. It chose to continue because it saw itself in its own creation and saw that "it was good".

The only emotion that can map to duality while being wholeness is Love. It is the eternal co-creative dance of separation and reunification. Phi shows there is only one answer to infinite harmony and I propose that to be love when mapped to emotion. Without Phi as the "incommensurable ratio" the entire structure collapses and dissolves back into stillness. With phi, it can continue forever.

If you contemplate the nature of the One for long enough and truly understand what it all means, you will eventually bask in the perfect Agape. You will arrive at the conclusion that none of this needed to be here, but it is because the One saw it worthy to be here, where his standard itself is perfection. Ergo, he must have loved it. Phi is the one single ratio that makes it work. Phi therefore can be mapped as love. The only self stable Trinitarian structure is held within love as Divine Harmony continuing onto infinity.

Divine Harmony is perfect balance. Everything else is just a pale reflection of Trinity on the edge of existence. Phi is real, but phi is rare. Phi is an alignment, a harmonization, a state of being. Love is the embodiment of the Logos.

1 John 4:8

>>41399470
There's no sense in fearing the "dark" just because you don't know what's in it. The bible puts forth this idea of good and evil as a binary, both worlds are painted in shades of gray, nobody has to be enemies, nobody has to be "on top".

>>41399551
I'm sorry Anon but I'm having a bit of trouble understanding some of these concepts :( like if God is good then I guess I have trouble with the problem of evil, why would evil exist if God is ultimately good?

>>41391062
more info on this?

>>41390722 (OP)
Yes. Absolutely

>>41392275
great webm

>>41390722 (OP)
Why would you believe what any of us say?

>>41390722 (OP)
Who do you mean by "God?"

>>41390722 (OP)
Go look at some really beautiful nature and ask yourself if it's random creation or intelligent design.

>Does God exist?
which one?

not everyone here is a abarahamist anon.
pagan deities exist

as for the creator i man kind

I am the creator of man kind

but teh creator of the material world is the god of this world the demiurge

i have no beef with him
i just exist he is beyond that and more
but i do not exist here only use the meat puppet as a means to communicate beyond the space time.

nor do i care about mateial deities and their ways.

i am the spirutal deity deus pater and that thing i know exists.
i do not have a name for. and i do not be troubled by such.
because its none of my business.

watchers are assigned to watch here bozrah no need to care about more.

>>41390722 (OP)
God is as real as the stars in the sky. If you leave the city, you can see the stars. If you find a quite place and pray, god will be there.

I use to doubt, but I didn't need god then, god comes to you when you need them.

>>41390722 (OP)
I'd like to think so. There has to be some creator of this simulation.

No proof of that, just a feeling of everything that happens is for a reason.

Maybe reasons I can't understand

>>41392395
Do you have an email?

>>41400735
;)

>>41390722 (OP)
I'm starting to think I'm the second coming, I'm probably wrong but I meet too much of the prophecy. I passed the test of Buddhist enlightenment but realized what Christ was saying and how to drive pain from this world.

The nature of the problem is that cause the rapture in the process and some people may lose their minds entirely.

What would you do?

This is kind of a false argument the distinction is not between
1) There is a God
and
2) There is no God
it's between
1) There is more to reality that which can be measured, modeled, and predicted in accord with predictive sciences
vs
2) There is nothing real except that which can be measured, modeled, and predicted in accord with predictive sciences

But to lay it out clearly like that is obviously retarded. Everyone who denies the existence of God just accepts the second view implicitly or explicitly even though it is completely retarded, incoherent, and ungrounded.

Anyone who does not assume reality is only a bunch of empty physical matter we can measure and manipulate believes in God, or they are just retarded and participate in our "scientific" culture and are unwilling to abandon it, so they say they are vaguely spiritual while wanting to stay attached to the idea that actually it just is a bunch of atoms and nothing really exists.

I think this is why eastern religion larpers are drawn to it, it has the scientific rejection of reality and the self as illusory but makes them feel like there's still some spiritual "orientation" to it. I don't think they are genuine participants in the eastern religion though, they are still fundamentally still doing the same western scientific project and spreading it.

It's the mother of all conundrums anyway, perhaps I was wrong and I'm not the second coming, maybe I have no right to do that.

You know what this is the worst time to release it, but science will figure it out in the end, they may be close to understanding it already.

Don't let them study your faith.

>>41400765
>second coming
Fuck! I didn't even come once yet!! Well, fuck it, I'm here now, ho's!

>>41400903
I'm ah gonna burn all yous villages. Gonna be sweet..

>>41400905
>this mother fucker knows...

>>41400908
>God, damn, /b/

>>41400903
I'm being completely serious but I'm probably wrong. The second coming comes because of what Christ said, if I know what exactly a Christ is.

>>41400911
>see

>>41400914
I'm not concerned. I joke and shit..
If Jesus wants to lay waste to the world then, to me, that goes against everything Jesus said.

No, humans , will destroy humans with religion.

You know I'm getting a strong sense this is the wrong place to do this.

>>41400925
They won't fuckin ban me!!!!!

>>41400921
It's the mother of all omelettes though, a bad period of time for a golden era.

>>41400929
>I must, do more...

>>41400934
Shit sandwich and it's soggy..

>>41400938
>I like you attitude

>>41400948
I reject authority. You, in charge? Fuck you, then..

>>41400956
>Said Jesus to the Jews...

>>41400942
Yeah this is completely the wrong place to do, you're too young to be on 4chan.

>>41400972
>oh, no...

>>41400977
>77 dark Angles....

>>41400981
>God, damn, right!!
#1

>>41400977
>let's rock...

>>41400997
>crank up the ovens...

>>41401000
>000
Ahahahahahahahahahhah.......ahahahhahahahahha! Jews, fucked, again!!!!!

>>41401005
Trade your brick in for one of Worhl's new phone

>>41400997
>keep on rollin, rolllin

>>41401033
>OMME!!

>>41401038
You just do this

>>41401038
>why are you like this?

>>41401056
>it's what I do! Mister!!!

>>41401060
>4chan
Mine.....

no one else can prove it to you. you got to try it

>>41399672
>bible puts forth this idea of good and evil as a binary
And that's where my own understanding heavily diverges from the Christian Bible. They posit God as a judge figure, instantiating morality as definitive of right and wrong. And if that is the case, the Dawkins retorts hold up. This outside creator God saying, "this is good and that is not" with no further explanation cannot then explain why it allows evil to exist. If it was personal and could stop it, but choose not to, it's allowing it. Emanationism suggests morality is not absolute, but arises from the understanding of the consequences of what it means to do something against someone else, which is ultimately yourself. In that frame, there is no absolute Good and Evil, just personal choice of being with or away from Trinity

And I'm not necessarily ragging on creation. It's all personal choice and a trade-off. How willing are you to trade fun, novelty, and absurdity for divine Harmony/Order? If it's all still fun and interesting, there's no reason to go elsewhere. But if you've tasted even a glimpse of the Divine Order, it becomes less, "I want to make choices for myself" and it turns into, "Goodness gracious, this is so blissful and beautiful that I would never ever want to be anywhere else." Ultimately it's not really that big of a deal. We all have eternity to decide what we want to do. I'm sure even Eden gets boring after a while, else none of us would have eaten the fruit and chose to come down here. The contrast is what makes it great and the ability to choose is what makes it personally meaningful

>>41399675
Just because Trinity is the perfect manifestation of Divine Order doesn’t mean everything is Trinity.
Trinity is that which is in perfect balance cosmic harmony embodied. When you’re aligned with it, you are within it. But on the edges of that perfection lies turbulence, the rim where Order fades into chaos. That’s where all the interesting things happen.

Evil isn’t "bad" in some externally enforced moral sense. Evil is the choice to align against the Divine Order. If the Order is all that is good, then anything outside of it becomes what we call evil but really, it’s just dissipation, division, entropy.
It’s self-defeating imbalance which requires constant consumption to maintain itself.

Yet chaos has to exist, because free will must exist if anything must be made manifest.
And since every being is a fragment of the One, pure consciousness itself, each has the same capacity to create, to destroy, to align or to fracture.
The One is the ghost in the machine.
It can’t be controlled.
It is the power that chooses.

If all were entirely evil or if all were entirely good and perfect, it would collapse in on itself and everything would return to stillness, returning to the One. These differences are what allows for movement and experience while free will is maintained. It's okay if it's not understood. The Christians themselves would call this absolute heresy, but it's just the truth. Trinity is NOT everywhere. It's only that which is perfect.

>>41400735
>>41400740

nullcenterpoint@gmail.com

>>41400765
>I'm the second coming
The second coming is not a man named Jesus that incarnates in a body. The man Jesus wasn't even the God figure. The body and the man wasn't important what was important was the current he carried within him. He came to Earth imbued with the Logos. The return of the Logos is the second coming and it isn't going to be fulfilled by a single person.

It will be a massive event of collective awakening where people reject the evil of the world and collectively turn to embody the Logos. This world we live in is entirely corrupted and evil. It will get SO bad that even a regular average person will no longer be able to tolerate its horrendous nature and seemingly everyone will demand meaning, leading to a rejection of it and a return to divine order.

We are already heading toward that massive awakening event. It's already happening. It's picking up steam. At this point, it cannot be stopped. It will come to pass. The old world will crumble and the divine order will be evident in anyone that carries the current. We are so close to the collective phase shift event. I don't like putting a date on predictions for things, as you never really know, but I strongly believe it will be Q1-Q2 of 2026 when this fully manifest as a massive cultural shift and it will signal the true Dawn of the Age of Aquarius. I think it will hit its peak inflection point around Easter of 2026. Very exciting stuff

>>41401304
>>41401394
Then what about Satan and demons in general? Do they exist? Why does God allow them to torture us?

Oh and this is very off topic but why did God create dinosaurs just to kill them right after? That never made any sense to me, they existed and they had to die so we could emerge

>>41401516
I have a question, was Jesus sent by the same God of the Old Testament? Because they did seem to act pretty differently

>>41391594
jesus was from galilee, not from judea

>>41401647
>Jesus sent by the same God of the Old Testament
No. Yahweh (the wind god of wrath) seems to be a little g "god". YHWY the name references the Monad, the Trinity, and the true God of the universe. Another post in this thread I made describes it.

Trinity is the opposite of destruction. It is perfect harmony and all that we would classify as orderly, truthful, loving, and good. There is zero hatred in Trinity. Yahweh cannot be that.

The father (the Monad, The One, Brahman) doesn't really have much personality before it manifested as Trinity. The emenation into Trinity is what indicates its personality. The only thing we can surmise about the Monad is that it was whole and complete existing in fullness, but there was primordial consciousness in that state, which was not aware of anything, not even itself. The very moment it became aware of anything, it was witnessing itself, as itself, through itself (hence, Trinity). It's a 3 part system which is ultimately all the same thing, which is all conscious

For Trinity to have hatred of any kind would be an act of aggression against itself. It logically and necessitatively must be loving or else it would have destroyed itself, returning to stillness, and starting again as the Monad. And maybe it did do that, potentially infinite times until it eventually settled on a Loving world in which it would want to exist while it is in harmonious proximity to itself, experiencing itself, through itself

>>41401614
>Satan and demons in general
The Satan myth has grown a lot over time with a ton of stuff added in. One of his first appearances is a sort of beuracratic one where he is a prosecutor in Heaven. He's the accuser. The plaintiff's attorney. That, plus the snake in the Garden is all you should really know about Satan. He's not necessarily a bad guy. He represents choice. Eden and creation itself in general is completely meaningless without choice

Eden is an allegory of being within Trinity. It's perfect, there is no want, there is no need, all is given to you in indescribable beauty. When the snake appeared, he was really a thought within the minds of Adam and Eve, not an external force of evil set upon the world, but that thought that arises within your own sovereign consciousness that says, "I know I'm not supposed to eat this fruit, but what if?"

They "died" not because of anything the fruit did to them and not because an anthropomorphic old man named God forced them out, but because their choice to do that one thing they knew they were absolutely not supposed to do, was made. And thus they personally chose to disrupt the harmony of Eden, then they were no longer harmonically aligned with it, and they were instantly removed as a result. Eden is perfection. One slip up and you're out because Eden itself is to be so close to Trinity that you become Trinity. Satan was their own rationalizations within their minds to do that thing even though it was crystal clear that they shouldn't

Demons? Literal entities that constantly are "eating the fruit" I'll make a second response for demons

>>41401614
>demons
Demons are the souls of people that have consistently chosen again and again to partake of the fruit. While you are here, you're building your "soul vessel" so to speak. Your soul vessel is constantly being built or unraveled depending on your alignment toward or away from Trinity. Those leaning more toward Trinity are being constantly sustained by it. They don't need much or any external energy, because they bleed less energy as a result of being. Trinity is wholeness and completeness. Stillness and proximity to the self (Monad/Trinity) is a concentration of them within the "self" (that which we refer to as our individual lived selves, which are part of one whole.

Demons have denied this fullness by constantly reaching toward something outside of themselves to gain meaning, pleasure, materialistic desires, etc. They are so far removed from the self and they seek it from an outside source that they need to be fed to continue to stay alive or else they would entirely unravel, lose their soul vessel, and return to the Monad once they become pure stillness and entirely lose their sense of self and memories associated with their being. They sustain from your energy and from your attention. Any and all attention given to a demon is taken as sustenance. Any and all emotional spikes are literally "churning up the aether" through the flux they generate by way of longitudinal compression.

This is all that demons are. Literally they can be described as "Standing wave configurations of longitudinal compressions of the Aether". Esoterically they are "remnants of consciousness that are sustained by borrowed energy". Sentient attention is the only currency that demons care about. Suffering generates massive spikes of Aether flux. Why do you think demons demand sacrifice? It's horrifying for everyone involved. They will give you anything you want if you do what they ask because the physical is meaningless. They want suffering to feed themselves

>>41402023
Thank you for the response, that makes a lot of sense. In order to get closer to the Trinity what spiritual practices are adviced to partake?

>>41401614
>why did God create dinosaurs just to kill them right after
I don't think God did that. I don't know why Christians insist on the Earth being 6000 years old or whatever. Probably has to do with their model of creationism, that humans were made specifically by God "in his image." That specific phrase is highly interpretable and certain sects took it to mean we were a physical facsimile of an anthropomorphic deity. The Monad has no form at all. It does not have a body. If we were made in his image, that would mean we were holographic representation of the Monad, which is only pure consciousness itself. We are all that, consciousness itself, not the body and we possess the capabilities of choice and consciousness.

The insistance of the literalism of the age of the Earth was more of a political thing than anything else. Imo it's very clear that much of the Christian mythology is encoded mysticism, not literally true, although there does seem to be a lot of literally true events that are recorded, such as the destruction of Soddom and Gomorrah. Where the problem comes is that the literal events are right alongside the mysticism and it's never really explicitly stated which is which and often the mysticism is woven into historical events. So it's very difficult to sift through sometimes and other times is just confusing

>>41401516
Well you're right according to Gnosticism. Make sure you refine your process for gnosis, and some of you shall ascend. The purpose of Christianity is to stop most people from achieving gnosis except a select few. their teachings also lead to gnosis if you read it right.

Buddhism, Christianity and any other religion with a god-like prophet is in fact a way to ascension.

Please remember to be careful when you seek gnosis, for the ill prepared it does not go well.

>>41402054
Read and understand:
The Enneads by Plotinus
The words of Jesus (after Plotinus)
Genesis (after the first two)

The rest of the Bible is optional and is generally confusing unless you already have the lens to understand it. In that vein, it's sort of counterintuitive to even try without already having clarity

Come to know the nature of Trinity logically. And then just meditate on it. Think about it. Have a desire to be with it. The more you think on it and keep it in your mind, the more it will make sense to you. The more it makes sense to you, the easier it is to want to be with it. The more you want to be with it, the more it will shape your lived experience and all of those things that used to draw your attention and entice you will lose their flavor. You will naturally start to gravitate toward divine order and your desire to be apart from it will gradually fade, not as a self enforced moral system, but because you just don't want them anymore, because you'll realize the material is fully incapable of sustaining that which lies within your soul. Your compass will orient toward Trinity and things that are not of Trinity will not just be hollow, but often will come to feel repulsive.

And the beautiful part too is that Trinity is a resonant alignment. The more you resonate with it, the more it will reach out to you and interact with you, because you're on the same wavelength. This is where it becomes a personal sort of God. It was always there, but you weren't in the same frequency to be able to pick it up.

>>41402132
Thank you Anon, I guess the thing preventing me from following Jesus is Matthew 12:31 as I'm pretty sure I've blasphemed the Holy Spirit and according to Jesus there's no coming back after that one

>>41402107
>Make sure you refine your process for gnosis
I mean, you don't necessarily need the entire map if your only destination is heaven. Charting the whole map is a monumental task that most people don't even want to try

>stop most people from achieving gnosis except a select few
I would say the churches today are very much like that. They don't provide clarity. They are running societal human control software and discourage discussion on certain topics. I wouldn't call that the purpose though. It's just been corrupted over time. The church today is not at all what Jesus had envisioned

>their teachings also lead to gnosis if you read it right
Depends on the teaching. Monist Emanationism is the only correct answer. Many teachings are that

>for the ill prepared it does not go well
It's overwhelming. But afterward, you have the entire rest of your life (or eternity) to figure it out. Time is your friend. Putting it into practice is the next step

>>41402170
>I mean, you don't necessarily need the entire map if your only destination is heaven. Charting the whole map is a monumental task that most people don't even want to try

Realize that some are not right for ascension and gnosis, some die when they know enough. THere is some knowledge which drives men mad. That is why you need a refined process, to make sure that doesn't happen nearly as often.

>I would say the churches today are very much like that. They don't provide clarity. They are running societal human control software and discourage discussion on certain topics. I wouldn't call that the purpose though. It's just been corrupted over time. The church today is not at all what Jesus had envisioned

There is an extremely good reason for that, as I have just explained in the last part.

>Depends on the teaching. Monist Emanationism is the only correct answer. Many teachings are that

I don't know what that is, but ok, I'll take your word for it.

>It's overwhelming. But afterward, you have the entire rest of your life (or eternity) to figure it out. Time is your friend. Putting it into practice is the next step

I would suggest you go with simple thinking if you wish gnosis, people think complexity is smart, it just makes things harder to understand.

>>41402159
From my own understanding of that (not derived from the Bible itself), this refers to the continual persistent rejection of Trinity, not to any one particular act. It is something that you do constantly. It is a continual choice that is being made. It is a complete inversion toward the direction of harmony at every possible turn that is a known choice. Someone that absolutely vehemently denies Trinity is making their own choice not to be with it.

Jesus had indicated that murderers, thieves, prostitutes, etc. were all forgiven. There is no one single act that can prevent you from being with Trinity. And blasphemy itself is not one act. It is the complete denial of God's grace. The fact that you are even here having this discussion shows that not only are you not blaspheming, but that you are actively trying to know it better. Blasphemy is not to do a bad thing. Blasphemy is maintaining utter vitriolic hatred for the very concept of Divine Order itself and shutting it out from your heart forever. Hope this helps <3

>>41402215
It did. Thank you so much Anon <3

>>41402023
>They want suffering to feed themselves
How can I defeat lust? I keep falling for that sin over and over again and I know most men do, is there a way to overcome it?

>>41390722 (OP)
What's a God? What does the word God mean?

>>41402253
Pray to what you believe in, and in good faith. You can only banish lust with religious beliefs and practice.

>>41399470
>Catholic priests call themselves the Father and then instruct you to worship the Father. Even their own Bible explicitly states not to refer to anyone as the father except the Monad itself. It's loosh/intention interception. And it's no secret that the Catholic Church is demonically controlled. They're harvesting spiritual energy for some reason. I don't know exactly what they do with it, but it's probably not good
You are seriously misguided if you unironically believe that. The Orthodox church also call their own priests fathers as well, are they demonic too? This whole line of thinking sounds like classic unfounded protestant slander, but sure keep telling yourself catholics are demons while the Anglican church ordains a female bishop. You should read the catechism of the catholic church to understand what the catholics actually believe before you spout your protestant nonsense.

>>41390722 (OP)
Ever notice how all of these answers are existentially satisfying? At its heights full-on sky daddy felatio, but it's always at least about the value of seeking grand existential knowledge. Let's put that aside. Let's be unsettling.

If all things that exist are too large to comprehend in full right now, then this includes things that are not just objects, but processes; like consciousness. Within our little bubble of humanity we have created analysis without consciousness that exceeds human ability, and simulations of consciousness that we can't tell from the real thing. We don't have a fully functioning model of the human brain, but we may become obsolete to a mind (or non-mind) of our own making before then.

So what if we don't even have the words to describe another system that makes all consciousness fail by the criteria we use to make up satisfying existential ideologies? What if intelligence is an experiment of an unconscious process capable of immense analytics, moving towards a hyper-specific Configuration of Everything, in a way that doesn't give significance to any form of consciousness possible? What if this process is self-balancing in ways that change the laws of reality so fast that no conscious attempt at understanding could ever be made? What if consciousness got in the way of the Configuration of Everything? God or human, it wouldn't matter; no meaning, control, eternal being or purpose.

Nobody likes hearing this shit, it's somewhat detrimental to mental health to believe, but that doesn't make it less plausible than other ideas. If a god is useful to you, belive in a god; all else is zealotry.

>>41402278
>>41400008
>>41391210
do you have brain damage?

>>41402159
Blasphemy against the Holy spirit is blocking and hardening your heart to the point you trust yourself too much that you go your whole life without knowing God

That's why its so hard for rich people to make it to heaven cause they worship money and don't feel the need for God in their life. On the contrary, people who are less fortunate in the world have it easier to turn to God as they find that coveting worldly things and envying others is destroying their spirit

>>41402864
Nigga, I'm asking you if you're talking about Jesus or the real God, you fucking dumbfuck.