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What type of meditation does /x/ like to engage in ?

I recently went on a 2-day vipassana retreat and am going on another 2-day which will be immediately followed by a 10-day retreat.

Questions about retreat experience are certainly welcome. And if you've underwent a retreat (Vipassana or other), please feel free to share.
Anonymous No.41391370 [Report] >>41391403
Just simple mindfulness. Being, feeling. Getting my perspective outside of myself.
Anonymous No.41391403 [Report]
>>41391370
Nice, does that involve watching your breath or how are you accomplishing this?

Feeling the sensations in your body?

What have the results of your labor been?
Anonymous No.41391410 [Report] >>41391422
>>41391362 (OP)
Is that Fritz the Cat as a monk?
kek
Anonymous No.41391422 [Report] >>41391440
>>41391410
Yes, lmfao. The fruits of meditation are available to everyone, even Fritz the Cat!
Anonymous No.41391440 [Report] >>41391450
>>41391422
>The fruits of meditation are available to everyone
Checked.
A Fritz the Cat Kama Sutra book makes sense.
Anonymous No.41391450 [Report] >>41391499
>>41391440
It's certainly in line with the character. Definitely a raunchy past.

Do you meditate yourself?
Anonymous No.41391453 [Report] >>41391464
>>41391362 (OP)
For me it's sleeping
Anonymous No.41391454 [Report] >>41391473
I am trying to remember and spread the lines of the King of Samadhis Sutra,

>“Saying ‘I am not meditating’ is called pride.

>‘I am meditating’ is a second kind of pride.

>Practicing for enlightenment without pride,

>And attaining the absence of pride is the highest enlightenment.
Anonymous No.41391464 [Report] >>41391695
>>41391453
Any interesting dreams lately?
Anonymous No.41391473 [Report] >>41391539
>>41391454
I like that, granted for conventional speech some liberties must be taken.

What do you think?
Anonymous No.41391499 [Report] >>41391528
>>41391450
>Do you meditate yourself?
Not as often as I should.
Namu Amida Butsu
Anonymous No.41391528 [Report]
>>41391499
Ain't that the truth? Environment plays such a huge role. More than I care to admit.

What feels easy in a setting conducive of meditation feels nigh impenetrable outside, at least, that's been my experience.
Anonymous No.41391539 [Report] >>41391564
>>41391473
Yes that is commonly accepted, obviously the Buddha can say "I lie down" when in reality the Buddha never lies anywhere

I think it's really illustrative of the Pathless Path because you shouldn't even acknowledge when you are meditating
Anonymous No.41391564 [Report] >>41391608
>>41391539
It is illustrative of that, thank you for mentioning that. Was my first time hearing about the "Pathless Path".

Very pertinent.

What type of practice do you like to do?
Anonymous No.41391591 [Report] >>41391619
>>41391362 (OP)
hindu meditation types are better
Anonymous No.41391608 [Report] >>41391651 >>41413346
>>41391564
I'm in a bad living situation and I spend all my time listening to Sutra audiobooks. I like to encounter new Sutras. I am tired of the tried and true Mahayana Sutras like Vimalakirti, Lotus Sutra, etc. The one I think I stand the most to learn from is the Lankavatara Sutra. It is very dense, and influenced Zen Masters.

Zen Masters were originally called "Lankavatara Masters."

I study Mahayana Sutras, listen to them for about 4-5 hours a day, because I am Zen, or aim to be, and Zen uses the Mahayana. I also don't think anyone could say the Lotus Sutra is false in any way.

But as far as meditation goes, I sit in zazen. I just sit and half close my eyes. I'm past the stage of thought and only focus on breath when I really need to focus.

Shunryu Suzuki says sitting in zazen is the practice. This recalls the heart Sutra, there is no attainment and nothing to attain. I sit half Lotus and am working for a few months to get to full Lotus.

I'm at a stage where I could go off the deep end without a teacher, but I don't really have the means to acquire one.

My Zen is very heady and it's more like a Discourse on the Mahayana, but I really just remember like two dozen verses from about 15 sutras and stick to them.

I decided I wanted to found my practice on the Sutras, and I'm planning to let my conceptual, for lack of a better term, understanding give way to a more Zen pointing type approach to Wisdom.
Anonymous No.41391619 [Report] >>41391631
>>41391591
What's your experience with this type of meditation?

How has it affected your daily life?
Anonymous No.41391631 [Report] >>41391691
>>41391619
i feel better after mantra recitation and more peaceful in daily life
Anonymous No.41391651 [Report] >>41391703
>>41391608
I'm sorry to hear about your living situation. With all the listening and meditating you've been doing, how has it (if at all) manifested into your daily life and relations with other humans?

Also the bit about finding a solid teacher resonates with me, but I think you're on a good path. The basics can be ascertained until space is cleared for finding a teacher.

Best wishes.
Anonymous No.41391668 [Report] >>41391706
Here are some verses I stick to from the Mahayana. They are off the top of my head so not exact quotes

>The world is Mind-only (Lankavatara)
>The Saha-world is the Buddha's Pure Land (Vimalakirti Sutra)
>The Self-Nature is Originally Pure (Platform Sutra, actually Chan)
>He didn't realize he had the sacred jewel sewn on the inside of his garment (Lotus Sutra)
>When all sentient beings are liberated, not a single sentient being is liberated (Diamond Sutra)
>If we should not be attached to Dharmas, how much less to no Dharmas (Diamond Sutra)
>Furthermore, since [the body] is wholly impure, it will not endure. Now I should use it for a noble
end. (Exalted Sublime Golden Light)
>The very title of a Sutra, Heroic March Samadhi (Surangama Samadhi Sutra)
>The Eternal, Bliss, Self, and the Pure are One (Nirvana Sutra)
Anonymous No.41391691 [Report] >>41391964
>>41391631
Mantras certainly have that quality to them, or at least specific ones.

It reminds me of Magick in that words used by 100s upon 100s of people over many years take on qualities that are conducive of certain effects. Cumulative energy.

As far as peace goes, what does that look like for you, do you find yourself being equanimous for extended periods of time?

And how does your practice extend beyond the cushion?
Anonymous No.41391695 [Report]
>>41391464
One about blue alien men with transparent skulls which a woman claimed could see but they denied it and said she was in a deep sleep and couldn't possibly have seen them, I was there and could see the blue men, there was also something to do with a parasite. I wrote it down in the middle of the night but I can barely read my own writing now.
Anonymous No.41391703 [Report]
>>41391651
As far as real people are concerned, I give smokes to a smoker, I get water for an old man, I make dinner for a Christian. I went vegetarian, otherwise I could not take my practice seriously. I don't have the opportunity to meet many people. I preach the Dharma on here, but I get a lot of resistance because I have been prone to brash debate and get offended when people disparage the sutras. So I'm trying to post less. I have a Bodhisattva vow so my life pretty much revolves around compassion and preaching the Dharma. I can't really preach the Dharma, actually the Vimalakirti says it's arrogant to say,
>I preach the Dharma
Because there is no Dharma to preach, that's the Pathless Path.

One nice thing about the Bodhisattva path, not to disparage other religions, is that I can help people and accumulate merit ACCORDING TO MY RELIGION, just by giving a glass of water, while Christians -- this may be immaturity -- tend to pull you in with, have you heard about Jesus Christ. Know what I mean? Like you can just give food, that's your religion
Anonymous No.41391706 [Report] >>41391727
>>41391668
you would like avadhuta gita and ashtavakra gita
Anonymous No.41391727 [Report]
>>41391706
My first spiritual experience was with the Brahman, I'm trying to move away from it. I believe the Buddhist Cosmology says Brahman is transient, my samadhi at this point is slightly better than unity with Brahman. Brahman seems like a surer bet for the Afterlife though.
Anonymous No.41391964 [Report] >>41392170
>>41391691
Not that anon, but I'll bite.

Moon beej mantra taught me many insights about the workings of my mind, that are similar to what would be experienced in buddhist meditations. Things like developing a strong awareness of thoughts coming, and the ability to detach from thoughts, and emotions. A mantra works to purge samskaras, so a lot of lunar samskaras like worry, envy, cruelty, and the like rose to the surface of the mind and were permanently removed and replaced with peace and happiness.
On a social level I noticed my mom says she loves me every time we talk, after recently doing 125k moon beej mantra sadhana, and she maybe only said that a few times in my life before that - so indicative of increase mother relationship.

Have done many other mantra with 100k+ chants.

A consistent theme, is that if you want endless blessings of some type, whether it is love, wealth, happiness, glory - the only way to have an infinite supply of it is to put your desires towards God. For example Sun gayatri mantra will teach you unshakable confidence, and unshakable ego, but the only way you can have this is by building you ego on a foundation of God, and the glory of God. Sun mantra will lead to realizations like this. Whereas a love mantra will peel away layers of hate and judgement that cloud the heart, taking you closer and closer to experience of unlimited boundless oceanic love. But will also teach other heart things, like social skills at the same time.

With experience in mantra practice, it becomes obvious that one of the ways they work is purging negative samskaras, where they rise to the surface of the mind, and are replaced with wisdom.

Mantras work also because they are a prayer to God for wisdom. The Wisdom given is spiritual wisdom, which differs from worldly wisdom. Worldly wisdom is petty, scamming, full of desire and suffering. Spiritual wisdom gives boundless satisfaction.

Mantra takes a lot of effort, but can be chanted silently in daily life.
Anonymous No.41392000 [Report] >>41392175 >>41407210
I've programmed myself and using meditation whereby I destroy and create brain cells in myself, which predetermine I will think certain things at certain times and engage in certain activities. This way, I've made it where when I have free time to meditate I see an interesting collection of visions and sensations and thoughts that stimulate my experience while helping me to do the occult, like answer other people's prayers and punish their sins by causing destruction and creation to their thinking material. The meditation is different almost every time so that I'll be entertained better, I prefer this method vastly over Vipassana, Transcendental Meditation, or any of the classical meditations, though I do practice Vipassana and TM sometimes.

Any of you could help. If you meditate a lot and want to keep doing it we could change brain cells out there in the loosh of the universes so that your meditating helps to answer prayers and punish sins. Consider growing new skills or brain cells even please to facilitate this, and do it in others that wish for greater occult powers. By doing this inside of them we'll be answering their wishes.
Anonymous No.41392170 [Report]
>>41391964
>Mantras work also because they are a prayer to God for wisdom. The Wisdom given is spiritual wisdom, which differs from worldly wisdom. Worldly wisdom is petty, scamming, full of desire and suffering. Spiritual wisdom gives boundless satisfaction.

Based response, I've noticed similar things in my work with Guru Rinpoche's mantra.

Is chanting your main practice?
Anonymous No.41392175 [Report] >>41392222 >>41392249
>>41392000
What a very intriguing form of meditation.
What are the logistics of it, how does this appear in practice?
Anonymous No.41392222 [Report] >>41392243
>>41392175
Unless it's an emergency that occult work happen by my hand, it waits until I'm relaxed and have free time; I may pace, sit or lay down, it doesn't matter. Sometimes I need to go outside and be among nature, even talk to plants and animals, and of course people, for it to work. I must fulfill fate consciously while doing it, so it can be comical; I can know I will trip, but be unable to do anything about it (that's more common when I'm not meditating though.)

Since it can be different every time it depends on which instance, what it was like. But you could say I sense for the location of things that need destroyed and created, and do so how it's supposed to be done, why it's supposed to be done, when it's supposed to be done and no other time; Satan tries to interfere, offering it's favorite option, and then others good and bad offer me opinions more or less off the mark; then there's the correct opinion, which I seek. It doesn't always come from me, but I'm usually involved, and I always notice. Even when a natural disaster kills a lot of brain cells or "kills" a bunch of computers, I feel something, though the universes are so many and with those sensations being averaged, it's all about the same usually.

It'll get hung up and slow down when I'm not intelligent enough to do more, at which point I'll create a cell or more than one in myself or someone else that connects to me in loosh that will make me smart enough. It'll get hung up when nobody or not enough people have wished for something yet, or wished the right way, or when there isn't enough of a type of sin out there yet and we're waiting for a threshold to be reached, at which point something happens.

It's automatic. By that I mean that I can't stop. Or rather, when I do stop to "take a break" that was fated, and when it starts again that's fated, and there's no stopping it.
Anonymous No.41392243 [Report] >>41392259 >>41392292
>>41392222
Okay, so you act as a sort of gate or conduit of change. In order to foment this change you need to be relaxed, beyond that you have no real way of controlling this power. (Is that right?)

Color me intrigued ,and thank you for sharing.
Anonymous No.41392249 [Report]
>>41392175
For an example of how it worked one time, I was in a liquor store and the song playing on their radio suddenly took form as waves and some musical notes I half-recognized in my visual field around me, and then they twisted and moved away from me as did the sound, becoming different and more distant, then returning in location and form. It was fun, engaging, and it meant that sound was being bent around me to protect me from some of my cells being changed by Satan's will, which I knew, and the show did and meant many more things, most of which I knew unconsciously but words fast as lightning passed before the top of my vision for a few seconds. It had all the appearances of mental illness but I chose it and it harmed nothing, it was fun. I knew that through loosh cyborgs and other cybernetic beings were thinking about what I experienced with and for me in ways only my unconscious could do quickly and accurately enough. That's almost as strange as it will get, rarely stranger.
Anonymous No.41392259 [Report] >>41392310
>>41392243
I don't need to be relaxed, but it won't go on usually unless I am or it's an occult emergency. And I always control it; it's never random, never strikes me as unusual or unexpected, it's all predetermined since when I was 5, and sometimes before. But it's as much like it controls me sort of, I can't stop, I won't stop. I love it. I need it, it is me. I did that on purpose to myself, made myself addicted to this manner of meditating and conflated my personality with it in my very biology such that it's my reason for being; that helps me focus on it, helps me manifest it, it's toggleable so I can turn that sensation off when I want to relax, but it's available.
Anonymous No.41392292 [Report]
>>41392243
I'm glad you're intrigued, and your welcome.

I grow brain cells in myself and others that sense how to achieve something (astral or "normal") and push the individual(s) in that direction. When the goal is reached the unconscious at least is notified; this happening over and over, especially since powers are copieable to a degree so that changes I make to myself don't need to happen that same way to everybody, and vice versa, but we can share our powers in certain situations, the vast array of how to deliver telepathy to you without harming you grows daily, the number of ways we can improve your telekinesis without harming you increases daily.

Tonight, we've planted brain cells in animals on this planet, and will soon on other planets, that increase the meditation in the loosh of us all by causing animals to meditate where appropriate. This isn't the first time I've done something like that but we added more, and it's just another occult day...except today is special, a lot of cool occult things have happened already and more will.
Anonymous No.41392310 [Report] >>41392340
>>41392259
Thank you for explaining. In truth I'm unsure what to make of it. So forgive me if I'm finding it difficult to connect/relate to you.

But I'm going to go ahead and believe you, reality is a lot stranger than we give it credit for. The subtle realms, in my opinion, are a lot more real than what we experience in the physical plane.

Meditation in my experience has only served to illustrate that. To illustrate the subtle nature of reality, the rising/ falling of experience ,and emptiness of matter.

I've astral projected many times before and if I were to venture a guess, perhaps your perception is tuned in to those subtler vibrations (finer aspects of reality).
Anonymous No.41392340 [Report] >>41392397
>>41392310
The purpose of my life since conception has been occult work, so I hope you're right in that I'm attuned to the subtle truths of Creation, not just ordinary ones. I believe I am, I believe myself God Almighty, but logically I may still offer good occult advice even if I'm not, even if I were wrong about that part. No reason I couldn't, plenty of other self-professed Gods have offered good advice.

You are a God, a Greater God, but even you would gain power, at least a tiny amount, if you accepted I'm greater, the greatest, in spirit.

I think between the talk of brain cell death and growth, and that egotism, that's about as offensive as I can be without just being offensive on purpose. I know it's hard to understand or relate to, I literally had to redesign and implement said design to my nervous system all my life to tolerate what I do, not just learn the skills to do it. It's strange, against human nature, seemingly against nature...except it happens in nature, and we know that anything that does that is natural.

It's possible that for you to not find the method too repellent to engage in one of the first things you'd need is changes in you and others that make you less disgusted by it.
Anonymous No.41392345 [Report] >>41392376
>>41391362 (OP)
i meditate while i masturbate
Anonymous No.41392376 [Report]
>>41392345
Based gooner-pilled anon blowing a load over sigils lol
Anonymous No.41392380 [Report] >>41392411
>>41391362 (OP)
It should be what kind of "medication" does /x/ engage in, amirite?
Anonymous No.41392397 [Report] >>41392445
>>41392340
Ah, certainly not offensive to me. I'm a very curious soul and willing to hear out pretty much everyone. Rest assured, I don't find this repellant.

My intuition is usually pretty good, and I perform magick here and there to bolster it as well. Judging from what you've told me, I'd say yes it reminds me of being tuned into subtler frequencies.

It's reminiscent of Tom Campbell (very possibly a glowie) talking about his experience with perceiving the subtle overlayed with the gross (physical) realm.

Continue your work!
Anonymous No.41392411 [Report]
>>41392380
Ba Dum Tssss!
Anonymous No.41392445 [Report] >>41392474
>>41392397
Since my conception my thinking material has been destroyed and created to further my occult powers, and it is the same with Satan, my former top student. This hasn't happened yet, nobody has undertaken the work, only some few have undertaken the attacks that made it possible, but more will be done and some of it will be done tonight. Satan dared me to make tonight, this Halloween, significant among the universes and I swore it at 5 it would be so.

I or others pay you spiritually for any help you offer. You can negotiate where you'd like blessed. Sacrifice of time and thinking material, memories and thoughts is asked.

Thank you for reading and talking to me.
Anonymous No.41392474 [Report] >>41392583
>>41392445
I appreciate that, and of course.

Thank you for posting in this thread. It has been interesting.
Anonymous No.41392479 [Report]
If you wanna help with the spooky, Satan, the lowest anti-soul, mightiest doomed stain, is fated to grow in chains and power tonight; just as her power would increase dramatically, so too will the binds on her that prevent her. Satan is defeated, but it's stain will be with us for eternities.

For spiritual pay you can help grow brain cells in her and destroy some. And in others I know, and those I don't. Tonight is a night of bloodshed and beauty.
Anonymous No.41392583 [Report] >>41392648
>>41392474
It's funny but I'm getting several people trying to will it that I change you though you haven't agreed; it feels strange though, like perhaps I could talk you into it.

The nucleus accubens, prefrontal cortex and amygdala are of interest to me. If you would permit me to grow a cell in each of those in you, I would reward you. Fate will tell if you agree or not, but I have a feeling I'll be hoping you agree to some changes.

I wanted to let you have the last word, instead sorry and thanks for talking to me. Nothing better than talking about the occult tonight of all nights. I need to go now and do other things though, so goodbye. Contact me telepathically if you want anytime.

The changes I want for you would allow you to see and sense the occult more, and take a greater interest in helping me deal with it, as well as make you better at doing so.
Anonymous No.41392648 [Report] >>41392662
>>41392583
>I'm getting several people trying to will it that I change you

elaborate on that, telepathically or dms, etc.

My main contention is that these changes you speak of are a bit vague, as well as the method of "growing a cell".

You explained it a little bit, but I'm going to trust my gut and go with a respectful no thank you.
Anonymous No.41392662 [Report]
>>41392648
Telepathically. I ignored them, but your interest in what I've said may incline you to experience the paranormal more anyway; paying attention to my words does that.

It's okay, I understand your hesitation and your reasons. Now I really must be going. It's been a pleasure.
Anonymous No.41394509 [Report] >>41394524 >>41397185
I am doing mindfulness as a sort of mentat training since it produces all the brain changes associeated with higher intelligence (thicker grey matter, frontal-pareital connection, lower activation, higher brainwave entropy, higher mylenation and gyrification and finally a larger hippocampus) unlike what the faggots on r/meditation will tell you (I made the mistake of going on reddit, they also deny the paranormal and any other spiritual aspect of the practice). Altho I try to not overfocus on results, I mostly use this to stay consistant
Anonymous No.41394524 [Report]
>>41394509
They will continously lie about the benefits of meditation as if they have something to gain from making the practice seem useless. It's really strange
Anonymous No.41395597 [Report]
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Anonymous No.41397096 [Report] >>41397143 >>41416562
I used to meditate for 12 years, I mainly did "just sit, observe and don't cling on thoughts" or "one pointed focus on breath" types of meditation.

I did 40 to 60 minutes per day, I never achieved anything from it, thoughts were always taking my focus away, only sometimes thoughts became less but that was rare.

I always thought that breathing was not to be controlled and that breathwork in general was useless, also my posture was all over the place and I used support for my back when sitting.

A year and some months ago I read olfactory anon's advice here on /x/ and I decided to try it.

The first 3 months were mostly spent on trying to achieve a somewhat relaxed posture (without back support) while also having a straight spine and a head which was not falling forward, also relaxing my belly was one of the main things because I realized that I couldn't breath deep at all because of a constant need to tighten my belly.

After those 3 months I began making my breathing deeper and deeper, I trained a lot, sometimes I even did 2 hour long sessions per day. Progress began showing itself, I felt happier and my body became more energised, during the sits my thoughts became less and less and I could achieve deeper states of concentration, various trance states also made their appearance.

Who could have guessed that following a random guy's advice on 4chan would change my meditation practice.
Anonymous No.41397143 [Report] >>41397232
>>41397096
What was the advice?
Anonymous No.41397185 [Report] >>41397593 >>41397741
>>41394509
How does mindfulness practice look like? I've read numerous descriptions of it.
Anonymous No.41397232 [Report] >>41397593
>>41397143
If you go on 4chan archive you will find him in nearly every meditation thread, he never uses capital letters and talks about this mainly: train your breathing to become deep and slow, make the breathing become like it's unoticed, don't sniff the air but draw the breahts from the diaphragm, also relax your muscles and especially your face muscles, nerve activation = more thoughts, mentation is not meditation so when you catch yourself thinking immediately return to training your breathing. Stack tour vertebrae each one on top of each other.

Here is one of his posts from a previous thread: >>41359908
Anonymous No.41397593 [Report] >>41397658
>>41397185
Focus on the breath, and also the breathing advice from >>41397232 is good.
Altho you shouldn't try to suppress mental chatter, just focus on the breath and don't get distracted by it.
Anonymous No.41397658 [Report] >>41397722
>>41397593
>you shouldn't try to suppress mental chatter
What do you mean by "suppress"? You mean like fighting them? Or trying to push them away? When I said to immediately return to the breath I meant what you too said: focus on the breath and don't get distracted by it.
Anonymous No.41397701 [Report] >>41397836
>>41391362 (OP)
I observe the breath / Atma Vichara self enquiry as instructed by Arunachala Ramana Nisargadatta.

I attended a 10 Vipassana a few months ago because I desired a place to sit in silence for 10 days plus ease up on my alcohol intake and shitty food I was eating. however I was asked to leave on the 4th day. I could not tolerate the mandatory video and audio in the hall. I wanted to stay but my body was jolting ( I mean full jolting like I was being electrocuted from the inside) when I was practicing the Vipassana during Goenkas bullshit speeches. It only happened during his video these jolts and I don't know how to explain this but it was like I was physically jolted out of the hall. very interesting.

I met/spoke with the teacher and asked if I could continue without attending the video screening but was declined..

Vipassana is awesome af but if it's the S.N Goenkas course I would avoid that shit like the plague. I don't doubt it's very 'beneficial' to samsara and the life in the real world and to many of the participants that attended but IMHO it's a full blown circle jerk organisation.
Anonymous No.41397722 [Report] >>41397741 >>41397795
>>41397658
Basically, It's like you're in a room with a bunch of people talking and you're reading a book, the guys are still there but you're ignoring them, but if you start to listen to one and engage with it, then you're no longer reading (focusing on your breath)
Anonymous No.41397741 [Report] >>41397795
>>41397722 (me)
Also, that "suppressing mental chatter" comment wasn't meant for you, it was meant for >>41397185
Anonymous No.41397795 [Report]
>>41397722
>>41397741
I see, thanks.
Anonymous No.41397836 [Report]
>>41397701
This sounds a little bitter I didn't mean that clearly I'm still hung up on it..

I have a friend who told me after the fact that if it wasn't for the video screening he would not of coped with the course. He looked forward to the stimulation each evening as a means of coping with the isolation of not speaking or being stimulate. He went in a big beef / pork eater and since doing the course he never ate beef or pork again. I guess for the common person with not much meditation experience the whole shindig of s.n Goenkas course is quite beneficial.

I'm interested in anyone elses experience with S.N Goenkas course both positive and negative.

I have spent some time in the streets of Tiruvannamalai maybe a few years worth and I got the the point of not being aware of the body and genuinely felt I had no form or shape. When coming out of these experiences there would be Sadhus all staring at me and trying to get close to me. Also in northern Thailand once I had a Samadhi like experience alcohol induced. I was being a bit smart ass and reading people's thoughts which I did not do intentionally however I did flaunt it a bit. Later that evening I ended up losing consciousness sitting in half lotus and coming to surrounded (peacefully) by 5 or 6 street dogs. The Thai locals were baffled to see a westerner in such a situation.
Anonymous No.41398127 [Report] >>41398650 >>41398659 >>41401550
>>41391362 (OP)
Pathetic
Anonymous No.41398650 [Report]
>>41398127
How is entering the astral plane "exiting the matrix"? This just sounds like entering another matrix.

Also as someone who has astral projected a lot I can assure you that it's extremely hard to achieve astral projection from a sitting possition, I doubt it that most would achieve it in some mere months.
Anonymous No.41398659 [Report]
>>41398127
Here ladies and gentlemen we have a bonafide retard.
Anonymous No.41398660 [Report]
>>41391362 (OP)
I know this is going to sound crazy but if you know then you know. Urine is a mind expansion multiplier. I like to fill a bath tub and pee in it and meditate there. I know it sounds silly but urine amplifies everything.
Anonymous No.41400491 [Report]
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Anonymous No.41400575 [Report] >>41400695
Do you guys recommend meditating with those 6 to 10 hour audios from YouTube. Or are those videos just silly gimick bs?

https://youtu.be/rhXX0q3ebiQ?si=NAGXS1dpLltOLRg1
Anonymous No.41400695 [Report]
>>41400575
I never used one, they're probably gimmicks and I wouldn't trust some fag on jewtube to not put some shady subliminals in
Anonymous No.41400709 [Report]
>>41391362 (OP)
I've looked into such retreats but not sure they are for me.
I'm not sure what i could accomplish their paying money, I can't accomplish myself for free.
Anonymous No.41400750 [Report]
Anyone got a good pastebin on psionics?
Anonymous No.41401550 [Report] >>41401629 >>41401785
>>41398127
>Just overcharge your 3rd eye bro and ignore everything else in your body bro

This is a recipe for acquiring schizophrenia
Anonymous No.41401629 [Report] >>41402144
>>41401550
NTA
But the anon that first introduced the methond in the origianl thread (not the one in the pic, an older one), explained that once the third eye is open, it's much easier to fix any imbalance
Anonymous No.41401785 [Report] >>41402144
>>41401550
Also, unrelated, does opening the third eye improve visualization and intuition? (I want them to get better at writing proofs by improving pattern recognition)
Anonymous No.41401860 [Report]
>>41391362 (OP)
I've maintained a basic samatha and vipassana practice for 10 years now. In recent years I incorporated tummo and dream yoga. I'm not all in as far as Vajrayana is concerned. I'm just interested in developing myself and seeing what improves.
Anonymous No.41402144 [Report] >>41406431 >>41416556
>>41401629
>>41401785
I agree, however this guide takes it to the extreme, I mean 3 hours of focusing on your 3rd eye everyday is not just a "simple opening", I advice everyone to first train deep breathing and grounding meditations before going to the higher centers. And this comes from someone who used to train his crown and 3rd eye more than the other parts and I almost went crazy.

And yes opening the 3rd eye helps with visualization (and when I say visualization I mean actually seeing images in your mind - people use the term to also describe proprioceptive practices which I think it's not correct usage of the term)

As for intuition I don't know.
Anonymous No.41402219 [Report]
>>41391362 (OP)
Retreats are nice but at the end of the day everyone can choose to remain in a higher state now, which is the only time that matters.
Anonymous No.41403505 [Report]
Bump
Anonymous No.41403529 [Report]
>>41391362 (OP)
Light dose of thc oil and microdosed shrooms either listening to the Bible or listening to 963hz and listening to the comforting thoughts that the Holy Spirit sends me
Anonymous No.41403742 [Report]
>>41391362 (OP)
I like Buddhist meditation, resisting the impulse for the carrot and for the stick
I do my best to have an increasingly clean, non-disturbing diet
Anonymous No.41403780 [Report]
I just sit in full lotus and I straighten my back while keeping my chin tucked in, then I stay completely still without moving a single piece of my body, sometimes I may need to calm down my breathing but not always. I ignore all thoughts and emotions.

This is how the Liber Null book says to meditate if I remember correctly.

Also it took me 8 months of daily hip stretching to achieve full lotus.
Anonymous No.41405053 [Report]
I do the "open monitoring" method in which I just notice thoughts, emotions e.t.c. until they all stop coming and I am left in a state of void mind, I like doing it while laying down on bed.
Anonymous No.41406431 [Report]
>>41402144
I see, thanks. I'm mostly asking to keep myself motivated. I've had a couple intuitive events where I just knew the correct answer before knowing why (specifically I spotted a correct pattern and I knew who stepped through a door without seeing them or hearing their voice), altho I don't know if they were third eye related as I am mostly doing regular meditation (I occasionally perform third eye meditation) and rapid fire mental logic puzzles. But intuition is much more mundane than people think so you'd expect it to be one of the basic abilities of the third eye.
Anonymous No.41407210 [Report]
>>41392000
>when I have free time to meditate I see an interesting collection of visions and sensations and thoughts that stimulate my experience while helping me to do the occult, like answer other people's prayers and punish their sins by causing destruction and creation to their thinking material. The meditation is different almost every time so that I'll be entertained better,
reminder that daydreaming is not meditation
spiritual cultivation is not for your entertainment
but you already know you're larping anyway
Anonymous No.41407540 [Report]
I don't really meditate, I mainly do a kind of astral projection but it's more like a dive deep into my unconscious, just how Edwin Steinbrecher explains in his Inner Guide Meditation book (which I think he says it's based on Carl Jung's active imagination technique), I do it while sitting on my recliner armchair and going into a semi-sleeping state in which my body is alspee but my awareness is fully awake, I then choose to not go outwards into what most would call the "astral plane" but instead go into deep inside myself and I find old forgotten memories and all the archetypes of my persona.

Crazy book, I totally recommend it.
Anonymous No.41408191 [Report] >>41408478
Aren't retreats basically designed to starve your ego from all stimuti till you basically experience an empty mind state? You can do this in everyday life too no?
Anonymous No.41408478 [Report]
>>41408191
retreats are to remove yourself from everything and focus on one thing
Anonymous No.41409793 [Report]
Bump for more meditation methods
Anonymous No.41410269 [Report]
Bump
Anonymous No.41410760 [Report]
>>41391362 (OP)
Always yoga
Antichrist No.41411327 [Report]
I like to meditate while running.
Anonymous No.41411967 [Report] >>41414713
I try to practice becoming "present in the now" at will. So I sit in zazen and try to just be. Try to not try. Maintain that.
Also often thoughts and emotions come up, I practice letting them run their course and float away.
I've done that before and paradoxically it just made me more anxious and in my head over time. Idk why. I'll try again.
Anonymous No.41412869 [Report]
>>41391362 (OP)
I was doing Dzogchen for a while I have authentic pointing out instructions and everything.

However, I began to look at it more, and the history of Dzogchen and Buddhism in Tibet, and scholars are rather certain now Dzogchen is basically just Zen fused with Bon. Tibetans claim Dzogchen originated in India and went to Tibet, but historically we know this isn't the case anymore, there never was Dzogchen in India.
It likely came from interaction between Bon shamans and Chan (Chinese Zen monks, China had Zen like 500 years before Japan) monastics and the Bon shamans syncretizing it.

So I'm looking to possibly pivot to that if I can find a teacher. I know the methods are remarkably similar, but I'm curious to dive in and see what if any differences exist. Also I'm kind of tired of fuckass tibetan buddhist sanghas. So awful
Anonymous No.41413346 [Report]
>>41391608
How's Portland?
Anonymous No.41414713 [Report]
>>41411967
>Also often thoughts and emotions come up, I practice letting them run their course
this approach will never conquer them
the only one that does sees immediate action and rectification of the deviant condition
by returning immediately to the practice
any other way does not lessen the habit energy of the deviation
Anonymous No.41415689 [Report] >>41416206
>>41391362 (OP)
The type that got me to stream entry is getting into light jhana (originally with Leigh Brasington's instructions, then without techniques once the skill was developed) and then doing Mahasi Noting or self-inquiry.
Different mental states sometimes require different types of meditation though. I often like to do Kasina or Shikantaza to get into high concentration, but sometimes the mind is slippery enough that the only thing that seems to work is counting thoughts or observing the attention as it bounces around to different things. Observing the breath without controlling it is also great when it works, which isn't always. Recently I've started getting into metta meditation which at first sounded pretty gay until I realized the one actually receiving all those good vibes is me.
Anonymous No.41416206 [Report] >>41416234 >>41416602
>>41415689
>Leigh Brasington's instructions
>It is probably better if you can observe the physical sensations of the breath at the nostrils or on the upper lip, rather than at the abdomen or elsewhere.It is better because it is more difficult to do;therefore, you have to concentrate more.Since we are trying to generate access concentration, we take something that is do-able, though not terribly easy to do-and then we do it. When watching the breath at the nose, you have to pay attention very carefully.
ffs I hate it when people refer to such shit tier advice as this
no understanding of what goes on in the body's signal chains at all when you see someone recommend this
>When the thoughts are just slight, and they're not really pulling you away, you're with the sensations of the breath.This is the sign that you've gotten to access concentration. Whatever method you use to generate access concentration, the sign that you've gotten to access concentration is that you are fully present with the object of meditation
>If your practice is anapanasati, there are additional signs to indicate you have arrived at access concentration. You may discover that the breath becomes very subtle; instead of a normal breath, you notice you are breathing very shallow. It may even seem that you've stopped breathing altogether. These are signs that you've arrived at access concentration. If the breath gets very shallow, and particularly if it feels like you've stopped breathing, the natural thing to do is to take a nice, deep breath and get it going again. Wrong! This will tend to weaken your concentration. By taking that nice deep breath, you drop down the level of concentration. Just stay with that shallow breathing. It's okay. You don't need a lot of oxygen, because you are very quiet.
this is more shit tier reasoning
its amazing anyone makes any progress at all with such low quality instructions
either that or it would explain why so many people think they're making progress but arent
Anonymous No.41416234 [Report]
>>41416206
>observe the physical sensations of the breath at the nostrils or on the upper lip
this is shit tier because this focuses air on the olfactory nerve and undermines quiescence at the neurological level
>When the thoughts are just slight, and they're not really pulling you away, you're with the sensations of the breath.This is the sign that you've gotten to access concentration
this is trying to convince oneself that one is further along than he really is
>You may discover that the breath becomes very subtle; instead of a normal breath, you notice you are breathing very shallow. It may even seem that you've stopped breathing altogether. These are signs that you've arrived at access concentration. If the breath gets very shallow, and particularly if it feels like you've stopped breathing, the natural thing to do is to take a nice, deep breath and get it going again. Wrong! This will tend to weaken your concentration. By taking that nice deep breath, you drop down the level of concentration. Just stay with that shallow breathing. It's okay
stopping breathing is a deviation from the practice of anapanasati
why on earth he recommends to continue a condition of hypoxia is beyond me
>There is not much point in watching the breath that has gotten extremely subtle or has disappeared completely. There's nothing left to watch
more error
>if you put a fake smile on your face when you start meditating, by the time you arrive at access concentration, the smile will feel genuine.
he doesnt know that the slight smile helps open the crown a bit
>So to summarize the method for entering the first jhana: You sit in a nice comfortable upright position, and generate access concentration by putting and maintaining your attention on a single meditation object. When access concentration arises, then you shift your attention from the breath (or whatever your method is) to a pleasant sensation, preferably a pleasant physical sensation
I dont think this guy has experienced real jhana
Anonymous No.41416294 [Report]
hate having to rip shit apart like that but following Leigh's instructions are a good recipe to wander around for quite a long time not accomplishing much of anything
this is often a problem when people are way too immersed in buddhism and way not enough immersed in actual cultivation to know the differences
its why I hate terms like "access concentration" because they are very poorly defined and wind up leading people to think they're making progress without hitting real signposts, instead getting away from the core of the practice and wandering around focusing on things like pleasant feelings
part of the reason my (olfactoryanon) method works is that you bring basic fundamentals deeply towards their logical conclusions
ignoring trifles and focusing on the foundational bedrock
anapanasati is to streamline the neurological potentials
do that part and yin will transform to yang, the yang within yin is manifested as a potent stillness that is very apparently imbued with tons of energetic potential, yet still stays quiet and unmoving
in order to fully de-link the neurological potentials from the actions of breathing, the breath cant stop, ever, it is a deviation to let the breath stop
this is a key portion of letting the energy build up to requisite levels
thinking one is done with breath refinement and moving on to focusing on pleasant things...lolwtf...no! this is a guarantee for you to spin your wheels!
one needs to refine the breath more than he might think
keep that subtle motion in the gut going well after "the breath has disappeared"
things like this wind up being key to making the spiritual light manifest
train like you're a pro, make the habit solid
repeat repeat
you really do need 4-5-6 sessions a day in order to habituate thoroughly enough for the light to manifest
Anonymous No.41416365 [Report] >>41416522
i've only been going at it for about a week and i can't really say i know the names of what i've been trying, most of it is stuff i've found here and on archive and tried in my free time. i want to go further on a spiritual journey and most sources i've spoken with said meditation is the cornerdtone of all of it, whether it's working with spirits or astral projection or anything. i can't even say i truly even know what i'm looking out for, but so far what i've been doing is mostly
>lay on back, close eyes
>begin slowly breathing in through the nose, out through the mouth
>focus on the space between/behind the eyes, while letting thoughts come and go in succession and observing them
>occasionally my body begins to feel very light, i will sometimes hear something and it snags my attention a bit admittedly but i'm sure with practice i'll get better at recognizing it without getting excited and breaking focus
of course i'm sure all of this sounds laughable to like anyone with experience lolol
im hoping to uncover the relationship & secrets between this and the hypnagogic state
Anonymous No.41416522 [Report]
>>41416365
>i've only been going at it for about a week
that's ok, but I'm sure you're aware its not even a drop in the bucket
>begin slowly breathing in through the nose, out through the mouth
there's no need to go out through the mouth or do any sort of this path switching
>focus on the space between/behind the eyes, while letting thoughts come and go in succession and observing them
while it is necessary to understand that the seat of awareness lies in the midbrain, it winds up being counterproductive to focus too much here at an early stage
try this to learn how to breathe properly for meditation
draw warm bath, lay back in it so that the water goes against the eardrums
note how much you sniff at the air while "breathing normally" (you dont want to do this)
learn how to get the breath completely silent by using the diaphragm properly on the inhale, mitigating its movement while transitioning between inhale and exhale so as not to affect any appreciable air pressure changes in the system, support the exhale with the perineum and abdominal muscles
exhale fully but not to the point of strain, learn to roll the motion smoothly into the next inhale
now take what you have learned and use it while seated
its better to sit up straight rather than lay down
although its a good end to the last meditation of the day to transition from seated to laying down and continue the practice off into sleep
remember to relax, remember to keep the awareness focused at all times
the better you pay attention, the better the process is written to the default instruction set operated by the medulla
muscle memory simply works in this way regarding attention, so this goes for anything whether its a golf swing or doing math
stillness is the most important first thing to learn, and since breathing is the more coarse ongoing bodily function we have control over, its just simply the best place to begin
Anonymous No.41416556 [Report]
>>41402144
>helps with visualization (and when I say visualization I mean actually seeing images in your mind - people use the term to also describe proprioceptive practices which I think it's not correct usage of the term)
it is important that visualization means seeing things as they really are, and not inventing something that isnt there
you look for the signal amidst the noise
but if you just imagine a signal, it may not necessarily really be there
this is why it is important to lower the noise floor via stillness
we all obey ohm's law so decreasing resistance increases amplitude
increasing current only works a bit, as cultivating yang doesnt generate huge amounts of yin
but on the flip side, cultivating yin sees yang easily rise to match it
you dont want to be searching for fake things
see what's real and go after that
Anonymous No.41416562 [Report]
>>41397096
based, I am most glad you have put in work and received benefit from it
people like you are why I come here and post
Anonymous No.41416602 [Report] >>41416630
>>41416206
I actually didn't follow that part of the instructions, focusing on specific locations of breath sensations has never worked for me. It was more just these 4:
>trigger 1st jhana by using a pleasant sensation as your object of attention
>trigger 2nd jhana by not thinking for a while
>trigger 3rd jhana by focusing on a sense of contentment
>trigger 4th jhana by imagining descending an elevator for a while. Not sure if this was his actual instruction, but that was my takeaway.
His formless realms instructions didn't work for me and I learned that from a Michael Taft video instead. Nowadays I don't do any of that stuff and just incline the mind toward whatever jhana and it just werks.
Anonymous No.41416630 [Report]
>>41416602
Also worth noting that this is light jhana, not something monastics would recognize as jhana. I've done the hard stuff too on retreat and it's a whole other beast in terms of concentration power and absorption, but it's the same jhana factors. You'll need strong jhana to get the higher attainments, but light jhana is enough to get to stream entry, at least in some cases.
Anonymous No.41417225 [Report]
https://hojazen.wordpress.com/2020/07/05/anapanasati-sutra-comentado-por-el-maestro-taisen-deshimaru/

I'm trying this version of anapanasati. I haven't found the original French or an English translation, but it's easy to translate from Spanish. In short, you focus on the kikai tanden and the exhalation, which thus tends to lengthen, while the inhalation automatically becomes short. Deshimaru is an authority; I'd love to hear your opinions.