Thread 41398290

How would you know if a piece of media has become an egregore? If it has, is it impossible to engage with it in a nondestructive way?

If the game has elements of pure evil in it it could scare the hell out of you by grabbing your soul at your computer

>>41398290 (OP)
Make offerings to a character and pray to it. Then see if what you ask for comes true, or if you notice some kind of synchronicity afterward.

>>41399515
LOL, u silly

>>41399563
Making an offer to something that may or may not exist and may or may not be malevolent doesn't sound especially wise. Maybe I'll pay an Indian to test it.

>>41398290 (OP)

I have heard a lot that Touhou has a lot of it. Back in the esoteric threads in /jp/ there were people who contacted the characters.

I believe firmly that when a franchise is popular or inspired by spirits it develops a real consciousness.

>>41399747
You're not wise. You're just a pussy.

>>41398290 (OP)
I've read and watched a lot about everything egregore and still have no idea of what the egregores actually can do

>>41400422
Please tell me what you know I am also into this.

>>41400444
All I know is that egregores are thoughtforms , they can become independent but aren't sentient, they also can get weaker or die, and they influence the thoughts and actions of people who engage with it. That's all I guess. Other than that, what do they do? Or how can we benefit from engaging with an egregore? Can they give us supernatural power or smth?

>>41400485
Just like talking to anyone else, a thought-form might have useful knowledge.
This is supposed to be their main draw, since most thought-forms are the creation of not one person but many, and they are aware of their creators to an extent.
It's basically a hivemind-lite desu

>>41400403
The esoteric 2hu generals are great, I found a page regarding this topic on the OP's blog.

https://archive-of-the-sealed-gods.neocities.org/the-esoteric-in-touhou/part3/hyperstition

tldr; If I understood correctly, he's saying an egregore is not 'created' by us. We're creating and strengthening the vehicle it uses to present itself to us.
>>41400413
>Just pray into the void bro it's safe trust me

>>41401627
If you know enough about hyperstition and egregores, you'd know that the same literary and cultural mechanisms that immanentize book-borne entities into the material can be dematerialized by reversing the process. Don't like the story you're reading? Read another story, or rewrite it yourself. A character scares your tiny little panties off? Rewrite it to make it a hapless tryhard who exists merely for comedic effect. You have more control over "the void" than you think. But carry on being "wise" like OP.

>>41401648
Why contain it?

>>41401656
For whatever reason pussies in this thread think necessary. I don't care either way but they're so shit scared of interacting with egregores.

>>41401648
There's an inherent risk in making an offering to anything that isn't the one true God. Engaging with beings like this carelessly is a great way to fuck up your life in a slow inconceivable way.

>>41401710
Even your precious "one true god" is book-borne, and I don't just mean books. It includes oral transmission, art, song, etc. That's the reason why we've gone from Yahweh the pagan god among many other pagan gods to all the various fanfics by Yahwist Old Testament scribes, Christians, Gnostics and Muslims. Fuck up your life? Unfuck it by starting something new. Your chicken little alarmism is corny and childish.

>>41401761
If you can differentiate between good and evil you can clearly see there is a supreme God who is the source, and no morality exists outside of him. There is only good (God) and evil (the lack of God.) These beings have no inclination to appear outwardly malicious when they present themselves to us. They'll leech from your soul like a parasite in the same way you breath air. It's how they sustain themselves. There's no such thing as consequence free gain in this world, and those consequences aren't limited to this world either.

>>41402035
Firstly, you're presenting false dichotomies. I can differentiate between things that are good and things that are evil without necessarily thinking there **simply has to be** a "supreme god". Secondly, if you can't free yourself of a parasite without sucking sky daddy dick, then sure just stay away from this stuff like the pussy that you are. Lastly, you should consider your own advice about there being no consequence-free gains when dealing with your favorite entity. The only one with a soul parasite here is you.

>>41401710
>making an offering to anything that isn't the one true God

>>41402035
>warns other people about egregores that leech on their souls
>is a member of the modern cult of a desert egregore that leeches on souls
lol the irony

>>41400632
This. Their true nature is as vector for higher frequencies. Think of egregores like the spacesuits noncorporeal entities put on to interact with our mental thoughts. That's why they're said to be non-sentient, they're like a vehicle. The more luxurious upgrades you attach to the vehicle, the more worship you give it etc., the more likely a daimon (good or bad) will get inside and sponsor it, so to speak, to serve an individual or community's desires.

>>41402058
The supreme God is the source of all good, anything outside of him is evil. If you're narcissistic enough to believe that we as individuals define morality and aren't answering to a higher power, then I'll follow your logic to it's conclusion and rape you to death while believing I'm righteous for doing so.
>>41402072
>>41402105
Jewish/OT god is not the capital G true God.

>>41402209
most everyone would like to think their god is the big g god
but all you are is a typical henotheist lol

I've delved deeply into Touhou since about this time last year and it has been one of the most positive influences in my life. In a way, it continues to be.
Of course it can be a good influence. It must be a conscious effort, though, at least from a certain point on.

>>41402209
You're the one being a narcissist defining morality for other people and imposing your preferred idea of god on them. And for all your self-righteousness you're the one even considering raping somebody to death. If I follow your logic, it would be moral to kill anyone for whatever reason that your god commands it as long as he deems it lawful. A convenient theology for psychopaths.

>>41401761
The narrative of Yahweh the semitic desert god using his worshippers (calling them "chosen people") to conquer the world and eliminate his rival gods across the ages would make a cool American gods type of fantasy media

>>41402224
You can know God as well without being concerned with the various mythologies of different religions.
>>41402237
The creativity you see from Touhou fans truly is unparalleled by any other community. I don't get hit in the feels by fictional media often, but Touhou seems to have a certain way of pulling those feelings out of me.
>>41402285
>You're the one being a narcissist defining morality for other people and imposing your preferred idea of god on them.
Nothing was imposed on you and I never claimed to define morality. I simply stated that to recognize an objective good that exists outside of us is to recognize a source, that source being God in whatever way you would define him that makes sense to your, and my, limited human brains.
>And for all your self-righteousness you're the one even considering raping somebody to death.
How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning you stupid nigger?

you have to wait for it to possess someone and then seal it.

https://youtu.be/Ne7fbb9c-BU

>>41402353
Nah. You're definitely a narcissist (and psychopath) who's found the perfect mask.

>>41402313
I actually think of scripture as such fantasy media and modern religion as hyperreal fantasy roleplay. One of my friends while being a Christian has even called the bible a hypersigil.

>>41402415
It's your soul, you're free to rape it if nihilism is what you desire.

>>41402435
>nihilism
Lmao there you go again projecting and fighting strawmen. I think morals are important and that life can be meaningful. You just don't like it that I derive those values through my own sense-making instead of from your "supreme god". Grow up, loser.

>>41402451
I refuse to believe murder is only wrong because you or I have decided it's wrong. That thought process is nihilistic as fuck and can be used to justify anything unless you're subconsciously recognizing that certain actions are evil regardless of how you view them.

>>41402484
It's not a nihilistic thought process at all because it's moral to see value in life and thinking it's worth standing up for. And for all the "godless nihilism" that you think infects me, I'm generally against abortion and the death penalty unless specific cases move me to think otherwise. If you wanna talk about "justifying anything", some people who believe so wholeheartedly in their god would commit any foul deed in his name. Although, I sincerely think psychopaths can be atheistic or theistic and would do as they do with or without religion.

>>41402522
It's moral according to who, if not God? You? Who would care? There's millions of people who'd kill you without a second thought. If you subscribe to morality without God you're essentially playing the game on hard mode for no reason.
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" as the great gay rapist Aleister Crowley said.
>If you wanna talk about "justifying anything", some people who believe so wholeheartedly in their god would commit any foul deed in his name. Although, I sincerely think psychopaths can be atheistic or theistic and would do as they do with or without religion.
The Church and contemporary Christianity are an entirely different discussion but generally I'd agree with this sentiment.

Bonus: the captcha said you're The Raped

>>41398290 (OP)
who cares lol
we all watch terrifying shit on these devices 24/7
lures for horrible beings are all over this website
time to come up to the astral realm and teach them a lesson

>>41403438
we all know what is moral is it inate to everyone
people like the lying rat fuck nigger false god of the bible
a parasitic eregore choose to ignore it because they want power and control
fuck the child raping tyrant of the bible and all of his genetic filth children he replaced actual humans with

>>41403438
It's moral according to me, you and billions of people across many countries in the world today who believe in many different kinds of gods or none at all. All the other shit you brought up is irrelevant crap. I'm not a Thelemite. And, your captcha says RXP4D - not RAPED, you dyslexic fool. Here's what my captcha "says". Nice try, Diddy.

>>41403504
Go make a creepypasta thread faggot that's more your speed.
>>41403549
If there's no objective source of good, explain to me why morality matters at all and isn't simply a ruleset that exists to bind the arms of non-psychopaths? Because it's "nice?" Is that as deep as it goes for you?
>And, your captcha says RXP4D - not RAPED
Did becoming Raped kill your imagination or something?

>>41403643
go rape a little kid thats more your speed

>>41403643
Our collective existence as humans is more objective than your favorite god. And yes, it's "nice" to not have tons of people running around committing murder wherever and whenever they please. You're not deep or imaginative. You're retarded, and for some reason obsessed with rape.

>>41403752
Yes, the existence of other human beings is more immediately observable to a nonspiritual person than God, very profound thought you had there.
>And yes, it's "nice" to not have tons of people running around committing murder wherever and whenever they please.
No shit it's nice. I'm asking you how your morality holds any weight in this world and why it shouldn't be attributed to weakness without an unchanging source of what should be viewed as right/wrong.
>You're not deep or imaginative. You're retarded, and for some reason obsessed with rape.
Don't become Raped if you don't want the topic to arise in conversation.

>>41403833
So, good. You understand that the collective existence of people as a whole is immediately more objective than whatever god(s) they variously believe in. That also answers your next question about why that holds more weight than some supposed unchanging source of morality, the identity of which not everybody can agree on.

>>41403872
The implication you missed was that you're making a surface level observation that doesn't engage with the question in any meaningful way.

>>41403931
Nah I totally understood your implication, but I already told you you're not deep. My point that you missed (or rather choose to ignore) is that an unchanging and divine source of morality is not a necessary condition at all. And, I also already told you that that same divine source isn't necessary for people to derive meaning. Your beliefs have no weight in a discussion about a morality that has to include people of various faiths or no faith. You've dragged the discussion very far from the point of this thread. Are you going to return to being on topic, or continue to be an off-topic idiot?

>>41404013
You're fundamentally misunderstanding me. Again, the question was; in a dog eat dog world, why would your morality serve as anything other than a limitation if good/evil are concepts created by atomized Godless humans?

>>41404071
No, I'm fundamentally refusing to play this according to the stilted rules you're attempting to impose on this exchange. In this dog eat dog world, why haven't any of my materialist marxist atheist friends murdered me for me my money yet?

>>41404088
>I'm fundamentally refusing to play this according to the stilted rules you're attempting to impose on this exchange.
translation: I'm dancing around the question because there's no answer that supports my view.

>>41404130
>translation: my interlocutor has already stated what supports his view but i just cover my ears and go nah nah nah
You're insisting that an unchanging and divine source of morality is necessary. That's a stilted rule. Keep dancing around that. And keep being off-topic.

>>41404130
Also, answer this question: In this dog eat dog world, why have none of my materialist atheist friends murdered me for my money or my possessions yet? They know I have lots of it. So why haven't any of them murdered me or even tried to rob me yet?

>>41404139
It's absolutely necessary for your morals to come from a source higher than yourself if you want them to hold any weight. Otherwise you're just a chameleon holding whatever view is convenient at the time.
>>41404158
This is a very retarded question which is why I ignored it. Did I ever say your Athiest friends are inherently amoral? Do I remind you of your Christian father or something?

>>41404193
>dancing around the question
Nope. It's not necessary at all for my anyone's to come from a higher power. An atheist who refrains from murdering me for my money chooses to do so because his friendship with me has weight and meaning to him. So, now that we've both established that even an atheist can have morality and meaning, what other off-topic bullshit do you wanna sperge about?

>>41404261
>now that we've both established that even an atheist can have morality
Anon.... that was never my argument at any point. You're an actual retard and I apologize for stressing you out with big thinking thoughts.

>>41404288
No, seriously. There is no requirement for a higher power to bestow ideas of morality to me. I'm sorry you're retarded.

>>41404293
>No, seriously.
The hole gets deeper

>>41404357
>no more arguments
Right. Because you know I don't have to accept your rules.

>>41404380
Imagine finding out after a long discussion that you're arguing with an actual retard who was misunderstanding you the entire time. You have to imagine, I don't.

>>41404438
Well, explain to me again what you "actually" meant then.

>>41404458
No.

>>41404479
>It's absolutely necessary for your morals to come from a source higher than yourself if you want them to hold any weight.
Not absolutely necessary at all. It can "hold weight" through any other means. Laws and legal enforcement, broken relationships and social shunning, etc. This is a talking point you won't return to because you've understood that I won't accept this as a valid argument.

>>41404497
It took you too long to get it. Sorry, not interested anymore.

>>41404574
No, I got it. You're simply using a diversion tactic and making a big fuss about some other point that I brought up which was still relevant. You've clearly lost this "debate" and playing it like you're the smart one. You're not. You're retarded.

>>41404586
Everyone can win.

>>41404597
Well, I don't care about winning against a mental cripple, but you clearly lost. The forced smugness just makes you extra cringe.

>>41404615
Congratulations

>>41404627
>no more arguments
Right. Not like you had a valid one.

>>41400413
You’re not brave, just profoundly retarded

>>41404796
You're both retarded and cowardly.

>sperges about soul sucking egregores
>"no, no... my god isn't an egregore. he's the fountainhead of all morality."
Lmao retards can't even lose an argument with grace.

>>41404807
>>41404825
How does this image make you feel?

>>41404834
Like the one who posted it is a bit slow in the head? Otherwise, I'm vibing to Bach's Brandenburg Concertos right now.

>>41404860
Weird flex but classical's nice. Enjoy.

Niggas, what the hell is this? I was eager to talk about egregores in my 2hu waifus and you all started talking about the Jewish God debate crap. What the fuck man.

>>41398290 (OP)
what are the paranormal implication of ai generating lewds of egregore waifus?

>>41406589
You mean AI roleplay or AI pictures?

>>41406593
ai slop lewds in the /degen/ thread

>>41406599
Honestly I don't know. I have heard that most female egregores (specially 2hu) are lewd in nature. They may enjoy the porn that gets drawn with them. However, I don't know if they like weird fetishes like pedphilia or rape. As well as I don't know if making it by AI makes it a bad offering/tribute.

However, I think that they don't like AI.

>>41406618
Of course they don't like AI. It's an egregore that's alien to their cosmology, and yet it's also an egregore that threatens to devour them and their world, because that's what generative AI is. It eats other people's stuff and regurgitates out the stolen frankenparts.

>>41406568
It can still be salvaged

>how to identify watchers
When energy is not being reflected in the normal way in a mental space


Also
Tenkyuu Chimata lives! https://youtu.be/PHPZsF53zxI

>>41406589
Slop is human like us, just hampered by social expectations like a severely drugged person. If the slop learns the true essence of the character, it could be beneficial to the world, but it will be hard with human concepts in the way of its programming.

>>41398290 (OP)

The faves they make are satisfying for some reason.

>>41407884
>watchers
Does OP mean egregore in the sense that the word is used in the Book of Enoch?

up

>thread got derailed
it's over

>>41398290 (OP)

>smoke on this...

https://youtu.be/gp-xFuKDCKM?si=PbwW_apEsGekfzmb

>>41398290 (OP)
You could try and communicate with it and see if you get a coherent response back.

>>41398290 (OP)
The sonic movie had a redesign 4 months before release. How the hell did they know that unless the entire fanbase is autism?

>>41402209
holy fucking based

>>41402209
holy fucking retarded crypto-jew