Thread 41399230

How can I get rid of a tarot deck and a small offering I made to Hecate (it was just some bread, sweets, and two letters)?

I want to leave witchcraft behind and start following Christianity.

For context, I didn’t do much I just meditated a bit, wrote two letters to Hecate with a prayer asking for knowledge, and I also used the Fehu rune a lot, which actually got me a job.

The only “answers” I got from the Hecate stuff were two dreams showing a field burning, where I had to choose between taking refuge in a witches’ temple or a Christian church.

Any advice on how to properly let go of this without disrespecting either side?

Which version of Christianity?

>>41399230 (OP)
There are a lot of different versions of christianity. For someone of your standing, starting with baptism that is a good place. Find a local Baptist church, explain your situation, and the pastor should arrange a ceremony for you. If you don't trust them, which is reasonable, you can do it yourself in a local river. Make sure you do your research.

After that, I would encourage you to do some research into plural monotheism. To learn from all of the religious texts, and apply it through the understanding of one greater and true God. AO from Dungeons & Dragons It's a good representation of this ideal.

>>41399230 (OP)
Why do you want to drop paganism and if Christianity is true why would you be scared of offending the other side? subconsciously you know these gods and demons are more like Daemons in Greek mythology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(classical_Greek_mythology)

>>41399375
>Plural monotheism
yeah this christianity because when they pray they don't say Eloah meaning god they say Elohim meaning God(s) its plural for all the Hebrew gods and Yahweh describes himself as a jealous god.

>>41399230 (OP)
Just throw it out. None of these beings are more powerful than God. Don't concern yourself so deeply with it, don't linger on it. Just move on with His forgiveness and love.

>>41399389
Unfortunately I'm getting a feeling as if that path is not for you at this time. That path is reserved for those who are ready. The Bible clearly educates that Yeshua of Nazareth is for the sinners, which I never had an affinity for.
You're correct that's Elohim is indeed a very jealous, and zealous god. Both the highs and lows of humanity, in my opinion, are accredited to his divine nature. My personal sin is wrath, but that is typically only used in a reaction.
If you have truly performed a pagan ritual before gaining this level of understanding required, then you have become profaned and must go through cleansing first.

>>41399230 (OP)
Since I feel the desire to depart from connections is legitimate, I will offer you some insight.
So long as the offering remains tangible in its current form, any ties, connections, deals, or latent energies are still able to be transferred or used as desired by the other entity. The only way to remove this is the ritualistic cleansing, like I am suggesting you do with your body mind and spirit.
If you are versed, you will be aware that verbally noting the ends of the deal, communication, and any other forms of relay and follow it up immediately with purification by it fire or other forms of alchemical transmutation.

I'm getting a feeling that you are worried about retribution. This is part of the Playbook the demons use. There will be trials and tribulations, where every deed you have done that has yet to scorn you will come back to haunt you, with interest. Do not fear, these are the death throes of an evil empire that no longer has control. However, it is very important that you surrender to the Son first.
Just as Elohim created lucifer, so to the create Yeshua. Both the Divine Good and Evil. The choice is yours, both have lived human lives and ascended into their respective roles. Now you must choose yours.

>>41399357
Thanks for asking, I’m choosing evangelical

>>41399375
Thank you, your kindness is comforting, there’s an evangelical church not too far from me that has been recommended a lot, so I think I’ll go talk to them about my situation, thanks again for your advice and for taking the time to answer me

I’m Christian and I still cast lots which almost the same but you ask God for answers instead

>>41399380
That’s an interesting point, I guess I’m trying to drop paganism because I feel like it’s not bringing me peace anymore, even if I still find it fascinating, thanks for the link too

>>41399575
Which version?

>>41399626
oh sorry man, I think it’s called “Church of the Nazarene”

>>41399393
I feel like I need to end it properly somehow, because before I started doing these things I was warned to do everything with respect, but I really appreciate your kind and sincere message, and the fact that you were so direct

>>41399426
WAAAAAIT, that was not mee, im the real op, pls dont be mad !

>>41399455
This is what I was looking for, thank you so much, after breaking ties, I will begin to pray.

>>41399491
I'll keep that in mind, thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge, anon!

>>41399613
woaaaaaaah, u got a 6!!!!

>>41399230 (OP)
literally just throw it away and pray about it

>>41399230 (OP)
Just throw the witch stuff away. Confess that you've sinned to Jesus and pray for forgiveness. Don't do it again.

Even better, go find a Catholic church and start going to mass, join OCIA, get baptized etc.

>>41399426
Yeah I am not OP but I am pagan I just do a decent amount of stuff/not traditional pagan I guess also I don't interact with Hecate she has tried to talk to me but I prefer the Morrigan. I personally have a gut feeling against Hekate and if you want a god of magic and thresholds I don't understand why you don't just use Janus and runes I guess.
>>41399613
This is schizo but funny you should use templeOS if you want to be schizo christian this is so 1980s, also one of my favorite stories is a woman reading the bible 3x over and men in the house beating her and her crying for Jesus to save her and he never did then she realized that Christianity is fake and shes an ardent atheist who considers at most sacred geometry/patterns being real because theres no way a good god would let that happen lmao.
>>41399665
Don't pray to Yahweh just use runes or something also all the people encouraging you to pray about it are possessed and are trying to get you to give your soul to yahweh its like a hivemind where it doesn't cost energy beyond maintance(you need to keep the units alive) so it makes sense to use 20 people to recruit 1 when normally that wouldn't make sense but in a hive mind it would because its 5% energy gained vs the energy for the 20 would be expended regardless.

>>41399644
You don't owe these things diddly squat. You're the human, created in the divine image of God. They're the traitors who attempted to overthrow him. These things are bottom feeders. They demand respect from the ignorant only because they get none and deserve none. Don't linger on it. There's no ritual you need to do, besides maybe making a show of it as you dump that crap in the garbage to snub them. You are better than Hecate.

Also OP you should give us your background how do you expect us to give us advice when your background is an anime pic you could be 6'3 and 300 pounds in Brazil.
Also Hecate will probably still pester you after but you would just need to cultivate good house spirits and have runes on the corners of your room like Anglo Saxons I guess. You say paganism isn't giving you peace maybe you should go introspective instead of going to religions for affirmation. I don't know how to tell you this but if entities gave you dreams then its fair to say theres more to the bible than what the masses have to read but I'd say its deeper hidden esoteric stuff, keep digging anon just reconsider what entities you are venerating because you become like the ideas you proliferate in ways.

>>41399733
Checked, got excited and thought I got these digits for a second but this anon is right and deserved them more than me. OP don't become a chicken tender for Yahweh please

Gonna pray for you anon, glad you’re leaving it behind to follow Christ and hope you have a nice day. Some people think the denominations of Christianity are in opposition to each other and sometimes it can get tied up in a ‘my way is the right way’ argument, but we are all brothers in Christ and so long as we follow His teachings we will do good among the Earth.

>>41399684
I asked if I should marry this girl and if I should start a family with her, I said should I marry her 3 I should and then I threw the dice and got a 3 and then I asked should I start a family with her 3 I should and then I threw the other dice and got another 3, and 3 is a holy number like the holy trinity and also there is 3 letters in the word yes so I picked three and I’ve done this over and over again asking God the same thing and it seems like he does want me to marry this girl I know and he wants me to start a family with her and I love her so I’ll try to do that

abrahamoid demiurge nonsense

>>41399230 (OP)
neither side really cares what you do, so just keep rolling your dice
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic

NLT We may throw the dice, but the Lord determines how they fall. KJV The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord. NKJV The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the Lord.

Hebrews 6:18 states that God's promise and His oath are two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for Him to lie. This gives believers, who have "fled for refuge," strong encouragement and confidence to hold fast to the hope set before them. The verse uses these immutable aspects of God to assure those who trust Him that their hope is secure.

>>41399844
Free will is a lie then

>>41399850
Your god lies in your own bible

>curses satan to earth
>find out he can drop by heaven and make bets with god a few books later

>>41399892
Not truly.

Youre thinking too simply. Ever heard of the multiverse theory? Think bigger.

>>41399892
>Tell someone they can no longer live in your house
>They show up at your house
>However they cannot stay
Like seriously think about the shit you type for five seconds

>>41399892
The verse Ezekiel 14:9 does not mean God lies or directly causes people to sin by lying [2]. The interpretation centers on God's sovereignty and judgment0t2ht, not His character as a deceiver.
Here is an explanation of what the verse means in the context of God's truthfulness:
God does not lie: The Bible explicitly states that God cannot and does not lie (Numbers 23:19; Hebrews 6:18; Titus 1:2) [2]. His nature is truth itself.
Divine Judgment, not Deception: The phrase "I the Lord have enticed that prophet" is generally interpreted as God allowing a false prophet, who is already inclined toward falsehood and idolatry, to follow their own corrupt path as a form of judgment [1, 2]. God, in His sovereignty, permits the prophet's own sinful desires to lead them into error, which ultimately exposes their true nature.
A Test and a Judgment: God uses this process to test the hearts of the inquirers who were consulting idols, and to bring judgment on both the false prophet and the unrepentant people [1].
The Outcome: The ultimate goal of this judgment is for Israel to "know that I am the Lord" (Ezekiel 14:10). This means the judgment serves to uphold God's holiness and justice, not to endorse dishonesty.
Therefore, the verse should be understood as a statement about God's justice and control over the consequences of human sin, not a claim that God engages in lying.
No, the Bible makes it clear that God cannot and does not lie. Passages like Numbers 23:19, Titus 1:2, and Hebrews 6:18 explicitly state that it is impossible for God to be untruthful.
Ezekiel 14:9 should be understood in the context of divine judicial judgment, not as God being the author of sin or falsehood. The passage means:

>>41399892
The people and the prophet had already turned away from God. The elders coming to Ezekiel had "idols in their hearts" and were seeking a message that would affirm their wicked desires, not true guidance.
God gave them over to the deception they desired. As a form of righteous punishment for their persistent rebellion and rejection of true prophets, God allowed the false prophet to follow his own corrupt inclinations and the people to believe the lie they preferred to the truth. This is a principle seen elsewhere in Scripture, such as in 1 Kings 22:19-23 and 2 Thessalonians 2:11, where God "sends a strong delusion" to those who refuse to love the truth.
God remained sovereign over the situation. God orchestrated events so that the false prophet's sin would lead to their exposure and just destruction, demonstrating His control and justice.
Human responsibility remains. The prophet and the inquirers were still held accountable for their choices and actions, as their hearts were already set on idolatry and lies.
Therefore, Ezekiel 14:9 highlights God's sovereignty over all events, including the consequences of sin, without compromising His perfectly truthful and holy character. He does not lie, but He may use the existing sin and inclination toward falsehood in a person's heart as a means of judgment.

so God didn’t lie to them and give them false prophesies, they came up with them on their own or something else give them the false prophesies

The interpretation is that God did not actively "lie" to the prophets or implant false messages in their minds in the way a human would deceive another [1, 2]. Instead, it was a judicial act of allowing the false prophets to be given over to their own deception, which was already present.
Here's a breakdown:
The Prophets' Own Deception: The false prophets already had a propensity for speaking lies, often out of self-interest or to please the people rather than God. They were not seeking God's true will [1].
The Seekers' Idolatry: The people coming to the prophets had "set up their idols in their hearts" and were not sincere in seeking God's truth. They wanted a message that aligned with their existing desires [1].
God's Judgment: As a form of divine judgment, God withdrew His protective grace and allowed these individuals to be confirmed in their self-delusion. The false prophet delivered a false prophecy that God, in His sovereignty, "used" to bring judgment upon both the prophet and the idolaters who were seeking the lie [1, 2, 4].
A Broader Biblical Principle: This aligns with other biblical passages, such as the story of the "lying spirit" in 1 Kings 22:23, where God allowed a spirit to deceive King Ahab's prophets [4]. It also relates to Romans 1:24, where God "gave them over" to their own lusts and distorted minds as a consequence of their sin [2].

So, the false prophecies originated from the prophets themselves (or a lying spirit, as in 1 Kings 22), but God is seen as being in ultimate control, orchestrating these events to expose and judge the people's rebellion and the prophets' falsehood [1, 2]. God allowed them to fall into the very deception they had already embraced.
God does not lie or directly give false prophecies in a moral sense; instead, the false prophecies originate from the prophets' own deceitful hearts or from a "lying spirit". God's role, as described in Ezekiel 14:9, is a judicial act of permission and governance, not authorship of sin.
Here is a breakdown of how the process works according to biblical interpretation:
The Origin of the Lie: The false prophets were already following "their own spirit" and their own minds, driven by personal gain and a desire to tell people what they wanted to hear (e.g., "peace" instead of impending judgment).
The Role of God: Because both the inquirers (the elders) and the prophets had rejected God's truth and embraced idolatry, God "gave them up" or "allowed" them to be deceived as a form of divine judgment. This is consistent with other passages like Romans 1:24-28 and 2 Thessalonians 2:11, where God sends a "powerful delusion" to those who refuse to love the truth.

The Mechanism (1 Kings 22): A parallel account in 1 Kings 22:19-23 provides a detailed picture. God asked, "Who will entice Ahab...?" and a spirit (often interpreted as a demonic entity) volunteered to be a "lying spirit" in the mouths of Ahab's 400 false prophets. God then commissioned this spirit to carry out the deception. This shows God's sovereign control over the situation, using even evil spirits to fulfill His judgment without Himself being the source of the lie.
Human Responsibility: Crucially, God holds both the false prophet and the person who consults them responsible for their sin (Ezekiel 14:10). The prophets willingly chose to speak lies for their own ends, and the people chose to listen to smooth things rather than the challenging truth of God's true prophets like Ezekiel and Jeremiah.
In summary, God did not lie to them; they generated lies from their own corrupt hearts, and God, in His sovereign judgment, allowed this deception to run its course as a just punishment for their persistent rebellion and idolatry.

>>41399230 (OP)
Get re-circumcised

>>41399823
Golem

>>41399230 (OP)
Lmao you're leaving one corny shit for another corny shit. I wonder what new corny shit you'll be into come December. Good luck chasing squirrels.

>>41399230 (OP)
dont leave one dogma to join another one.
jesus was a good man, and i bet he would like to see you using your magick skills for the good of others.

it will be a brand new world soon, for good or bad, and we all need allies.

>>41400236
Why do you think Jesus is good what's the whole argument for him being one of the people who tried to raise vibration and what not. Also whats the most paranormal jobs

>>41399575
Ah, the worst one. Your Christianity aint Christiainty unless the Churches have stained glass / are Quaker.

>>41399575
Why? Why do this to yourself? Evangelicalism is going to make you paranoid and insane, be reasonable

>>41399230 (OP)
Good. Find a church and get baptised. Catholic is a pretty safe choice but they are all ok if the minister is in an unbroken chain of male ordination from St Peter. Make sure to check that as a lot of denominations pretend women can be be priests but they cannot.

Burn your tools of witchcraft. Get baptised, get confirmed. If Catholic do formal confession of the witchcraft dtuff otherwise explain situation to the minister.

Start attending. Take Communion. Sing the hymes with everyone else. Now you are a Christian and under the full protection of Jesus.

When you have free time dip into the Bible and read the important bits. Generally picking one of the Gospels to learn well. Also Psalms contain some real belters. You should try learning them by heart.

>>41399230 (OP)
What religion did you grow up in?
You should in any case try to understand your deepest motivation

>>41399230 (OP)
What do you think all the pagans did when they first started converting to Christianity two thousand years ago?

>>41401428
They converted spiritual nodes and temples into churches. It would explain why so many spirits hate Humanity

>>41399230 (OP)
>I want to leave witchcraft behind and start following Christianity.
extremely cringe

>>41402392
Nice try golem

>>41402703
Worshipping Christ is for golems

>>41399230 (OP)
A suitable price of apostasy is death.

>>41399230 (OP)
Just trash it. Treat it like trash and it'll be trash.

>>41399970
In my experience what you are saying is not so far off. If you read carefully, the Antichrist is in a sense "permitted" to deceive those whose hearts go after lies

>>41399230 (OP)
I don't like occultism either but I don't find the christian cults or books at all conducive to generating Peace.
Hope you figure things out and until then, stay safe, try to skim the surface first and evaluate the quality of the water before commiting.

>>41399823
funny pic but the "god" needs to look more explicitly like ba'al and/or like a rabbi
also another puppet for the sandnigger mudslimes

>>41399230 (OP)
Enjoy worshiping the god of israel.
>>41399357
There's at least 45k to choose from

>>41399575
just do make yourself and become Catholic
or Orthodox. I can imagine becoming a Catholic, if not born into it (cradle Catholic) can be annoying... but if you get baptized Orthodox, you can go to any Catholic church, confess, and receive sacraments also, so don't worry about it.
also look into Jewish prayer, rituals, and maybe learn Hebrew/Latin/Greek

>>41399230 (OP)
if it's a nice tarot deck don't get rid of it, don't be silly
maybe read pic rel which is a Catholic reinterpretation of the symbols and meaning... then maybe you'll also recognize why it was not a Christian tarot (which btw most certainly was designed either by a Catholic)
if you are already into witchcraft, at least don't leave with regrets, after all it was part of you

>>41404994
>just do make yourself and
do make yourself a favor and

>>41399230 (OP)
All Gods are jealous. But they protect. If you move to Christianity you merely seek Christ and ask for protection.

Believe that Jesus came and was the sacrifice and atonement for your sins. Repent (turn away from the world and fully trust Jesus), and place your hope and trust in Jesus. That is literally all you have to do. Anything more is just religious jargon. Baptism is a choice you can make later that's symbolic of your transformation. For everything else, just let the holy spirit guide you. Listen for that still small voice.

>>41399230 (OP)
oh so you didnt achieve results and now you want to switch teams like a good woman so you can start winning? you will be losing either way, my dear.

you can do this with men but not with demons my dear. why are you so stupid.

im so solly, thats alot of bad luck for you from now on. shit happens i guess.

>>41405042
jebus doesnt exist, stop falling for it.

>>41399230 (OP)
>>41405055
Op I wanted to add, that I can't stress enough to NOT listen to other christians right now. Many people fall into religious ways and will lead you astray. Only follow or listen to the instruction of another christian if you feel led by the spirit (the holy spirit that will dwell in you after your conversion).

I also suggest that you DO NOT have to go to "church" because you will BE the "church". I'm NOT suggesting to not attend some type of formal church like setting, just that it is not necessary. Take your time choosing a physical church and denomination. Again, let yourself be led by the spirit. And don't overcomplicate this. When you know, I promise you will know. Lastly, you will need a bible of some kind. There are many different versions of the bible out there. Do some research, and find the one that resonates most deeply with you. Personally I prefer the "New American Standard Bible" (NASB). It's the closest literal translation we have from the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic translations.

I'll answer any questions that you have.

>>41399615
It's not bringing you peace because Christianity is a hateful, intolerant religion.
You already believe in more Gods than one, embrace your truth.

>>41399230 (OP)
None of it is real so you can just do whatever. Is there a specific reason you are choosing the slave religion of the Jews?

>>41399230 (OP)
Throw it in the trash and pray for the Holy Spirit to fill your home. Don't overthink it. When I had my tarot cards someone saw a weird red face in my office where I kept them. Things are lighter now.

>>41399455
Or you pray to Jesus to break all covenants made knowingly and unknowingly. Clean break.

>>41399575
This has to be bait. Well done.

>>41399613
When the book says 6 make it 7

>>41399230 (OP)
You're in for a Culture shock! Independent thinking is heavily discouraged -- it's is called Heresy. From Day One you'l have Deacons making sure you confess everything and self-condemn it all. Why did you choose the numbskulls of the Christian World? Become a Baptist or something. They have zero tolerance for anything and anyone who's not part of their sect - bluntly, you're joining a dictatorship. You are evil, Humanity is Evil, and they make damn sure you know it. Again, you are evil, and you need a remedy for it - their Solution for your new sense of sin. I got out when they held a book-burning! You're not going to take my advice, and I shouldn't care, *but* your Tarot Cards aren't evil nor inhabited and powered by demons! They aren't for divinination. The Trumps are a sermon. You can do divinination using a regular 52-card playing deck! Keep them and never ever mention them to anyone! Decide that you have a personal temple that overrides anything you recieve from outside of yourself, and it has control of your spiritually, not what you joined -- even if it's Pagan or anything else. Now for a quick sermon. You have within you a Spark of the Divine, you are not a sinner, you'veonly forgotten who you are. You don't need saving, you need to Remember who you are. Who jesus is, and that you can become like him. Again you're not listening, so do what you have to do.

>>41405634
And so's your brain power. Never having to think about anything different for the rest of your life! A good conformist who has Certainty, an who can't question what you've bought into. You all knew I'd be back when Cloudfare got fixed.

>>41405398
>It's the closest literal translation we have from the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic translations.
that's would actually be the New Jerusalem Bible from 1985 if I'm not mistaken

Burn all your pagan/idol/witchcraft tools and repent to the Lord in the name of Jesus Christ. Ask him to fill you with his Holy Spirit and you’ll be blessed.
https://youtu.be/nQWFzMvCfLE

>>41399375
>If you don't trust them, which is reasonable, you can do it yourself in a local river.
You can check the water quality of your local lakes and rivers with this website if you live in the US.
https://mywaterway.epa.gov/
To my knowledge, the site doesn't work on mobile devices, so you'll have to use a computer. It's worth checking, however.
Good luck, OP.

>>41399375
reading this post was a wild ride lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9cCcGIstCw

>>41399380
>subconsciously you know these gods and demons are more like Daemons in Greek mythology
from my understanding, they were NOT the same as the gods; some Greek, Egyptian, and Middle Eastern "metaphorical" gods (as described in your link, quoted below), can be indeed compared to daemons, but that doesn't make them synonyms
>They resemble the Arabic jinni (or genie), and in their humble efforts to help mediate the good and ill fortunes of human life, they resemble the Christian guardian angel and adversarial demon, respectively. Eudaimonia (εὐδαιμονία) came to mean "well-being" or "happiness".

the updated observation, based on accounts of ancient historians, was that some Greek gods (later adopted by Romans) were closer in essence Jesus Christ, walking the earth and stuff... except, of course, that Jesus is King of Kings

do research, that's why books exist

>>41399575
not a denomination, also eat the milk before the meat. good luck with your charity and ministry though.