Thread 41417358

ITT we discuss the TI phenomenon, which has exploded in the number of people suddenly afflicted with mystery, inconsistently symptomatic experiences of mental illness. A lot of us go down the therapy and meds route, but eventually when those stop working and nothing changes, it makes sense that we'd look externally for answers. Turns out it's a hell of a rabbit hole. I'm not here to convince anyone that believes it's all mental illness, as I am certain there's a decent blend of actual schizo's out there as well as those whose symptoms come external to the body. Instead, just here to offer resources and anecdotes that may help any TI's on their way. You probably know as much as I do by now that there isn't a reasonable way to put a stop to it, but fortunately you can live a relatively normal life in spite of the ongoing harassment.

For starters, some resources for anyone wanting to learn what this thing actually is. While it's impossible to figure out specifics, we do know it ain't supernatural. Historical cases were just schizophrenia that those perpetrating the remote electronic interference of the TI phenomenon have been able to imitate, both as a means of getting targets to discredit themselves (via diagnosis), and to provide perfect cover for anyone wondering if it's technological. After all, if it was happening before all the existing patents were made, how could it be humans doing it? It's just rich and powerful humans fucking with us proles. Here's a paper going deep on that point in particular. It's a distraction tactic.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PBgfgreg31r8oKhYPHp7IPQdCQS6FbZve1SYsvo9xqs/edit?usp=sharing
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QcOnKpyFOh8w7RH_OPcKS7Q8y2ZXPRjujDptjJD1ZUc/edit?usp=drive_link

What is it - is it mental disorder or something external?
> Far too many of us ending up thinking we're just having hallucinations because that's what everyone says it is, and far too many people who have a genuine mental illness beginning to manifest bumping into a TI thread and accepting this as the explanation, never getting the treatment they need. There's a lot of really unfortunate overlap. No matter what case you fall under, you deserve better.
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jrHSuvCXnidYaKK203tA6w8lWxucpAThH2OudFFXrdQ/edit?usp=drive_link

Overcoming the phenomena - What worked for me to regain sense of agency and control over my life despite the ongoing experiences. This one was written using two years of my journal entries, which I began using at some point to keep track of my own day to day life as well as whatever they were trying that particular day.
Patterns do emerge over time. You definitely begin to notice things. Plus, the act of getting all that info out of your head and onto some paper / a doc helps a lot with mental health in general.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r__enhLkc77L-vO5jIxOSF_jlDwrqpX8iRc8-GZU670/edit?usp=drive_link

How gaslighting works, how it's used, and how to deal with it:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fu4eZzHMHSdUFdSO7iHOn-2yuZRdMP8cAPa51inmk6k/edit?usp=drive_link

Phases of manipulation - Observed patterns in the progression of the adaptive manipulations and some ways of counteracting them (applicable even if it's schizo)
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZehTYVWzvWfpIERBuP96QAEqSpBdvPL3pl-cGq656c/edit?usp=drive_link

The goal of isolation and doubt - why they want you alone, unsure, and without a support network
This dives into the methodology and reasons behind why they focus so much on getting you to self-isolate, whether by simulating conversations between people you know to make you distrust them or just by stress and overwhelm.
> NOTE: Any TI's here that are thinking their friends, family, coworkers, even neighbors are somehow spying on them or working for the government or in any way are seeming to act shady, make sure you double-check your perceptions. Most people are well-meaning, no matter how much circumstantial evidence the voices peddle out to support the gestating mistrust of those closest to you.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pF9cIJHT4tZavZttI4wh2GuQck78GMIJD_DGhwL66P4/edit?usp=drive_link

Disrupting false narrativization
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CODyVvrGF3d1d25kZdNUhE0E6sD8WWLTz07_nLM183A/edit?usp=drive_link

Deconstructing the victim narrative
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hMwRBt-RMxdpCEnMkZnTFJQ4JPOqClgR/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=114638189731589326561&rtpof=true&sd=true

Semi related, this thread goes into the motivations behind why they would do things in such a convoluted way. A lot of it is long-term social and psychological breakdown and conditioning.
> https://www.reddit.com/r/TargetedSolutions/comments/1iq6amn/the_4_ds_of_gang_stalking_psychological_warfare/

Debunking a lot of the spooky airs around how this thing is done to us. No specifics are known but a lot of people smarter than me have worked out what it could be.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jTg_CK-j1TMmWk25RoL7F8-UeHv0Lon_XkZHgfDSYK8/edit?usp=drive_link

Some spicier stuff:
How to handle provoking the perpetrators safely and effectively:
This is basically how I learned all that I know about this thing, besides corroborating it with other TI's experiences.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSTooNno-LQ4NGtwu-SWTr6YbPFSS70SElHtkQXM0vc/edit?usp=drive_link

Focus study on the "thought insertion / injection" thing some of us experience. Turns out it's just suggestion, subaudlble cues, and a *lot* of behavioral training over a long time to try to shape the way you perceive things. If you think you're being mind controlled, you aren't, they're just very convincing about it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dI8e52ZUpOUc16FAda2A4zgkSP7Uxqq8MafTVSzihjw/edit?usp=drive_link

>>41417358 (OP)
I bet most of it isn’t supernatural but I wouldn’t rule it out in all instances.

>>41417358 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSA_ntJtlUE

>>41419711
>>>41419711
>Of course, without definitive proof we can't rule it 100% out, but i'm aiming for practicality with all this. Figuring out how each effect inflicted on us is created or could be created with current or near-future technology has helped me a ton with the anxiety, fear, and generally reducing the asymmetry of information to a balanced state. Worse for them, having this kind of practical understanding equips us to understand what we experience in terms of it being externally sourced, of it being driven by an LLM that does most of the talking over the remote speech transmission, and what kinds of physical limits are imposed on them if they are indeed using human, modern(ish, darpa-"modern") technology.

If you're a victim of gangstalking, it's time to work together and organize to put an end to this illegal harassment program once and for all.

The only way we stop this shit is by protesting because the legal system has been compromised. I tried to file a legal case and they used what I said against me so it's protesting time.

I don't give a shit if we are falsely labeled as terrorists, we are victims of organized crime that prevents us from getting justice through normal means. We are 100% justified to peacefully protest and this shit won't stop until we do.

>>41420690
Lol. Protests are for losers. I wish that wasn’t the case but it is.

>>41420699
There have been many cases of successful protests.

>>41420745
I'm open to the concept, but there's a pretty big hitch. The aspect of this thing where it's built to imitate easily-dismissed, easily debunked mental disorders or religious/spiritual experiences that makes it really easy to label any TI out there protesting as just a loon, would pretty much immediately discredit anything and everything. I can't even blame them for it, that line of thinking would make perfect sense to 99% of the population; no gangstalkers or hired hands needed, the populace does it for them just because it's what their life experience so far has taught them: hearing disembodied voices and thinking being spied on or manipulated by the government = schizo.

That said, could be worth a shot. I haven't put much if any thought into making it stop, as it's been made abundantly clear they can use these DEWs and their voice-projected-into-skull chatterbots at any time and place (though there have been odd inconsistencies that caught my eye) and instead focused my efforts on first figuring out what their shtick is and make some guesses on how they do what they do, what the overarching goal is behind all the narrativization and lies.

The fact that all the online TI communities are so siloed and isolated is a macrocosm of this issue; we don't have even a chance of halting this if all these communities continue to argue over the most fundamental of details.

Personally, I prefer my foundations to not be made of sand, and running with the assumption that this is being done by humans with tech that's only barely half a decade worth of development ahead of what most are aware of or are patented, has netted pretty much all of these documents i've been posting. The more I dug the more that explanation became the only one that COULD make sense, though it's a bit of a stretch at times given the nature of this beast, it still holds true every time I put it to the test.

>>41420690
I don't know if anything would work. But it's better than doing nothing and give up.

I was in a Nashville airport. I'vr never been to Tennessee. I show my id to a bartender and they say "we like this anon better". The photo is from when I was unemployed and wild. I don't understand what they want.

I have a friend who has paranoid schizophrenia, and he thinks everything that happens in his life is as a result of gangstalkers, even really mundane things which aren't unusual. He's lost every friend and his own family over this, and can't get a job either.
What can I do to help him? He's basically so psychotic that you can't reason with him or point out basic reality, he just thinks everyone is in on the conspiracy.

>>41423478
If you have a friend and that friend lost every friends, that means you're not a friend. You made this up.

>>41423576
I didn't make this up, it's very real.
I'm not responsible for him losing his friends over his delusions. I did my best to help him. I'm now the only one sticking by him.

Everytime TIs working together to solve this issue, it will quickly gets derailed by spam of "people" dismissing it, the attempt to break anything you're working towards.

>>41423636
It's gaslighting tactics, just ignore them. They're no difference than a troll.

I don't understand why people in this thread are gaslighting me. TIs are just not nice people it seems.

>>41423790
I know that not every derailing posts are from the gangstalkers. This is not a forum cater only to this topic I get it. But you're definitely a troll.

>>41417358 (OP)
gangshiting

>>41423146
>>41423275
>>41423636

Peaceful protests are better than letting these crimes continue. All it takes is one person who is involved to leak info about their involvement. This psychological warfare operation prevents us from achieving our goals in an unconstitutional and illegal manner therefore it must be dismantled one way or another.

>>41427043
I am not capable of doing protest myself. But if TIs are having a protest, I will help to share it to social medias.

>>41417358 (OP)
>Girlboss
what?

>>41423478
You should tell him to take a step back and really examine his perspectives. In such a state, especially with a foundation of being convinced that the government or gangstalkers are after them and somehow involved already in his life, to immediately attribute any odd, completely coincidental happenstance as somehow something insidious. Like as an example, such as a red car behind him the whole way home, but it was just going the same way before turning off somewhere different, but he might read into that as stalking then releasing.

You can not, ever, "fix" someone who does not believe they have a problem, or if they do but don't have the desire to fix it. It sounds like that's the case with him, which is rough as hell because how do you come back home from that. If he trusts you at all in his internal world, you could also try just being available if/when he needs to vent or ask about a third-party opinion on something. That alone works wonders sometimes when you're stuck in your head.

The best thing to do is give him the information he needs - maybe strategies on Reality Checking (something that pretty much saved my sanity early on with this thing) to sandblast in-the-moment perceptions against reality on closer inspection, and adjusting beliefs according to ground truth in front of them.

I really hope this helps. I got friends that actually do have schizophrenia so I know what it's like.

On the off chance his case is actually TI Imitation, does he have auditory hallucinations? If so, i'd ask about them. If those voices start saying you're in on it and not to trust you right away, that might be sus, but in a way that can be helped.

>>41427205
What, I know what I said

>>41417358 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSA_ntJtlUE

>>41417358 (OP)
Every time the nobody makes a beautiful post some anon immediatly attacks him. Whats the spiritual implication of that
Does it do damage to his works of beauty? After all a bowl of cornflakes with poop in it is a ruined bowl of cornflakes isnt it???????????

>>41427336
I don't think he has auditory hallucinations. He's just very paranoid. Like anyone he walks past, he thinks that person was paid to walk past him at that moment. Everyone in the street he thinks is staring at him even though they aren't.

People bringing deliveries etc, he thinks his neighbours arranged it to get at him even though all they're doing is bringing a package to a neighbour and driving away.

>>41417379
Find out the location if its ground based.
Call it in as a meth lab and claim shots fired.
Good fucking luck explaining 100k of sound weaponry to the local PD.

Interesting that the inner-language monologue can be projected into the background sounds experienced by the TI but if the TI thinks in gibberish or in tongues for a period that this cannot be replicated in the near auditory environment. What does this suggest about technology being used?

>>41429673
It strongly suggests that it's not technology, but rather your brain (schizophrenia).

>>41428537
Ah, then it probably isn't an external thing. That sounds like good old homegrown garden variety paranoid schizophrenia. I'm sorry to hear about his troubles, I hope something helps!

I have heard of TI's that don't get the V2K's, but sometimes I wonder if those are just the ones that fell through the cracks and actually do have schizophrenia but stumbled across a TI thread way back when and have been going down the wrong rabbit hole ever since. Just a hunch, no evidence. I do worry that that happens sometimes though, and have made guides on how to tell the two realities apart even if you're in the middle of it all.
Here's a link to one of 'em if you're curious, has some good tips provided by actual psychology for handling the much broader overlapping realm of "hearing voices and shit's weird".
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jrHSuvCXnidYaKK203tA6w8lWxucpAThH2OudFFXrdQ/edit?usp=sharing