Thread 41428656

Jigsaw trapping people in his twisted games feels like he's a Demiurge figure trapping and toying with people in material reality.

Self bump...

Jigsaw feels heavily like a Saturnian archetype, and old man in Grim Reaper/Father Time like robes who teaches his subjects harsh lessons through trials and time.

He is also the architect of the traps in his workshop much like the Demiurge is viewed as a Great Architect Of The Universe.

>>41428656 (OP)
Well, he does have that spiral.

>>41429575
That spiral symbolism is also odd, why a spiral in particular?

>>41428656 (OP)
The poster for I think the 7th movie is the Tree of Life

>>41431959
Saw X had Aztec God motifs and mentions a God named Tlaloc (Aztec Jupiter?)

As a Rain God he also reminds me of Ahriman/Rain Man.

>>41429641
i think madara casted that moon illusion and it too was spiral

thats why it's spiral

>>41428656 (OP)
https://youtu.be/b4_JLcVGHH0

>>41435627
Similar but no.

>>41435781
How is this related to SAW?

One of the protagonists of SAW 1 is Adam, i.e Man himself.

Adam is trapped in the Room (Reality/Material World) and must escape...

>>41429641
Specifically, an Archimedean spiral.

>>41436087
A more subtle example is the character from Fez.

https://www.behindthename.com/name/gomes
>derived from the Gothic element guma meaning "man".

>>41437093
I believe it is a symbol of growth or progressive development, makes sense when you consider the tests are all about the growth of the subjects.

>>41437530
https://www.shellsandpebbles.com/2014/03/02/buried-beneath-spirals/
>However, when he died in 1705, the stonemasons that were responsible for the beautification of Bernoulli’s grave carved an Archimedean instead of a logarithmic spiral into it (see figure 2).
>And by doing so, they made a crucial mistake.

>>41428656 (OP)
https://www.etymonline.com/word/sierra
>"range of hills or mountains," 1610s, from Spanish sierra "jagged mountain range,"
>literally "saw," from Latin serra "a saw"

>>41438818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyZ2X73VrGs

>>41428656 (OP)
Jigsaw feels like a Sumerian Daemon or such.
ie not a real human; the jigsaw guy is an imp.

>>41438813
The SAW name is about Sight and not physical Saws, like She SAW...

>>41439234
Might be a Dungeon keeper based setting btw; Dungeon keeper is very "Trap Dungeon based".

>>41429641
The red spirals are a "Cthonian" related trait.
Here's another charachter with strong Cthonian stuff; "The Master in The strain"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDEUDOhvxvI

See also the "Cthon faction in the video game Grim Dawn" for studies on Cthonian stuff.

If you like Cthonian stuff; this part of Liber Falxifer 3 is Cthonian in essence; Line 4; "The Dam Lahat wa-Aur Shachor Line; The Path of Fiery Blood and Black Light"

https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-iii-the-book-of-the-52-stations-of-the-crosses-of-nod/page/202/mode/2up

>>41439314
This area in Pans Labyrinth is also Cthonian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioe5bgRq30Q

>>41439346
"Naboo Crew" and Darth Nihilus in star wars are Cthonian.
When you recognize "Cthonain essence" spiritually then you can look for "characters with Cthonian essence" in different fictional media for fun.
You might find suprising things like the Naboo Crew here from star wars prequels; obviously Cthonian; that means they're doing "Masquerade stuff" and is likely way more advanced than they're percieved "dirctly on the screen".

Loads of background fun going on in fictional media settings this way sometimes.

>>41439394
If you find "Cthonian vibe characters" in fictional media settings; try compiling them somewhere; might be interesting to share finds to study.

Cthonian characters are extremely likely to be doing "background stuff outside field of view of the camera never seen by the audience". "Surreal meta stuff etc". Can likely spiritually interact with you and convey fourth wall breaking meta-information to you even as fictional characters.

Cthonian genome is highly surreal stuff for real.

>>41439419
"Mad Hatter" and "Red Queen" in alice in wonderland is cthonian,
Harley Quinn and Joker is Cthonian in Batman.

Another example of Cthonian is the "Zalgo memes on 4chan".

if you fucked up big time during this incarnation, this is what you'll see for a while before you get to start a new game.

>>41428656 (OP)
>>41429641
>>41438813
Can someone tell me what even is the point of displaying all this symbolism through media? What purpose does it serve?

>>41439479
It's mostly just "supernaturally generated" that way. See the posts in the thread about "Cthonian stuff".
Cthonian stuff in fictional media settings is "surreal meta behind the scenes stuff".

>>41439465
Quimbanda is cthonian+infernal (inferno genome)

>>41439522
This "out of place" character in Vikings, the Village Seer; is Cthonian.

Noone seems to think that he's like weird or anything.

>>41439552
Word Bearers in wh40k is a Cthonian faction.

>>41439609
Here's more of the Cross stations from
>>41439314

This chapter of Nod has a strong Word Bearer vibe.

>>41439346
This scene refers to something like "Behind the Scenes in Microsoft Windows Settings" or something similar.
Study it for some sort of Windows related references.

>>41439954
There's some sort of Bill Gates vibe to the Cthonian Hell-spawn character.

>>41439954
>>41439987
Some sort of references to "paranoia from trying to study weird behind the scenes shit in windows too often" or something. It's for real some sort of "microsoft windows references"; study.

Daemon Based software btw; computers aren't natural. "Black Mirrors".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computing)

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>>41435627
The Infinite Tsukuyomi isn't a spiral at all

>>41428656 (OP)
>muh saw

To understand a teaching intellectually is one thing but to understand it in the heart is pro level the level of jesus

https://youtu.be/i8GJXAz_WHk
I think even buddha could take lessons from jesus on that one

>>41439244
Pretty sure it's a reference to the bad guy, who is named after jigsaw puzzles.

>>41438834
>Saturn Rings on the left Logo.

>>41439477
Wdym?

>>41439479
Subconscious Programming, your Subconscious remembers everything you see unlike your regular Conscious and it can be programmed and triggered.

>>41439987
>Bill GATES
>The GATES in question
>picrel

>>41443354
That's the exoteric meaning.

>>41429575
>>41429641
>>41435627
>>41437093
>>41437530

There is Uzumaki. Is it disclosure or something?

>>41443924
>Is it disclosure or something
All media is disclosure to an extent.

>>41443924
Those are also Archimedean spirals.

>>41443956
Adramelekian?
https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfSitraAchra/page/n37/mode/2up

>>41444424
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKRksnjSxWI

>>41444433
Study True Detective from this point of view:
The pedophile network aren't related to the main case the detectives are investigating.
The local pedo enclave just ends up in their path while they're out investigating things; and it looks "logical enough".

There is "Mind Flayer things" going on in said setting.
True Detective was "Adramelek-related"; See
>>41444155

Emissaries of Adrameleks Qlipha Samael here.

>>41444465
ie the setting is a "Lovecraft style investigation setting".
Detectives avoided looking for "potential supernatural causes"; looking for "atheist-compatible ideas"; therefore the local Pedo-enclave looked like logical enough candidates.
Said pedos were likely played around with by the same "mind flayer related forces" to end up "at the right place at the right time for the Detectives to cross paths with them.

Study the Qlipha "Samael" if you enjoy the vibe of True Detective.

>>41444465
>>41444496
"Invasory Rays of Samael" from "Second Edition of Book of Sitra Achra" here; for Deeper Samael Qlipha specialization.

Invasory Rays chapter in said Second ed ("Azerate Pact edition") is "extremely advanced stuff for experienced practitioners"; all you need is the sigils themselves when you start comprehending how they're worked with.