Thread 41441595

This world is so absurd and strange
None of it really makes any sense
Why would an all powerful god bother to create this?
Why would someone want to simulate this?
It seems clear to me that this universe doesn’t exist for us it’s far too large
It’s sad to know we may never get to answer this question.
I think that It’s likely that that there really isn’t anything supernatural and most things could be a result of drugs psychosis or aliens.

Aliens if they are here would likely be able to hide any trace of themselves if they’re just 1000 years ahead or our technology who knows what they could be capable of… I hope they come and share their knowledge.

I hope that we’re not alone in this infinite indifferent universe.

Are there any solid theories for why anything exists at all? Why are so many people apathetic to this question?

>>41441595 (OP)
You're in a doom and gloom mindset, meditate and clean yourself. No I won't elaborate further

>>41441613
You're not a wise master for saying meditate and shower, that's common sense, saying 'no I will not elaborate further' makes you look like the corniest redditor I have ever seen lol

>>41441613
Ah yes, the classic ‘touch grass and meditate’ response to cosmic horror. Thanks guru, I’ll be sure to realign my chakras while the heat death of the universe patiently waits.

>>41441595 (OP)
Supernatural elements are real. Most of us are merely tethered to five extremely limited senses; making it very easy for these forces and beings to hide among us. Idk what aliens are in all of this, but I know for a fact that there has to be a creator. His nature is another story though. I don't think this world is the construct of a loving God. We see too much suffering, and ignorance of every religion. If God really wanted to give us a fair shot at heaven, he wouldn't allow so many people around the world live their entire lives without even knowing he exists. If there were one truly correct religion, a loving God would be obligated to ensure that everyone knew of it, and had the chance to accept it in their heart as true.

>>41441623
>Cosmic horror
Kek what a bitch

>>41441613
Based

>>41441637
Not saying this. I believe that there is lots of good and beauty in this universe truly many things to live for but it can’t stop me from asking the question why. It’s just so strange to me that anything is at all.

>>41441627
I don’t know how exactly this can point to a creator for you. Things can form through entropy and natural processes. Everything that is is just things that have adapted to the conditions of this universe and its laws. I don’t think there has to be an intelligent writer of these laws.

>>41441649
That shit has stumped me since I was a little boy.
>Why are we needed? What's the point of existence? Why are we? Why is God? How is it that this finite empty Hellscape is all there is to existence? Is there more? Is it worse than this? Was I alive before in another form? Will I be alive again after this life? How can anything exist? And if it all didn't exist, what would be?
It's like we aren't supposed to be able to figure this out by design. Whatever awaits us after this, I don't believe it can be good. One of my worst fears is having my souls memories wiped and being thrown into another body down here. I don't wanna go through school again, or college, or being reared. I also don't want to have to deal with being an introverted pariah ever again. Life is so empty of joy. I really do hope this isn't some sick fucking punishment or harvest. I'd rather wind up no longer existing.

>>41441613
>meditate
>become a peaceful island
>all of reality, all of it, is just a peaceful island
>go to heaven
>all of reality, all of it, is just clouds
>go to hell
>all of reality, all of it, is just fire and brimstone
>become god and make up stories ad infinitum, sometimes with or without amnesia
>all of reality, all of it, is just watching movies

I mean, I know a peaceful island is good and desirable, but at least, you have to admit it's still kind of absurd that all of reality is that, stillness, nothingness, oneness, call it what you want
it's still weird, it's one thing or the other, or all at once, or nothing at all, but it's still all weird, can you not see it?

>>41441657
It points to a xreator for me because I think one and done livfe to death existence makes sense. My gut tells me I've been around longer. I haven't had deja vu in a while, but when it does happen, I can never finger the familiarity of the situation. Yes, this universe has laws, but a demiurge makes so much more sense to me than random evolution (even without the deja vu and gut feeling). I think of atheistic people like you as optimists.

>>41441657
>>41441694
>*creator
>*one and done doesn't make sense
Sorry, just in a hurry to get to sleep.

>>41441681
I deeply resonate with this. I doubt that it will truly be us to live those other lives if that brings any comfort. I think we should try and enjoy our time here despite all of this why believe that it’s a punishment even if it is. I hope you find joy & purpose in this life or another anon.

>>41441681
yeah, I know that feeling, although I must admit in my childhood I was way more joyful, there was always the lingering suffering at the back of my mind why I wasn't able to do what other boys did (like play football well)
I became like this progressively through life, until I was left without joy, I think holding tight to that joy is very crucial, yeah, me thinks
>>41441705
that's very hopeful man, find some joy in this one moment
of course you won't be a retard (probably) next time around, if there's a next time, you'll probably be a chad pussy destroyer, but it won't be you, you
but that retard you were? it's good that at least you gave him some fucking joy in his time, in his moment, at least that
but yeah, it's all really weird

>>41441681
>life is so empty of joy

Dude, and I'm not saying this to try to convert you to some religion or call you a schizo or anything, but always consider reaching out for help as an option, I often see with extreme frequency that people who go into the prison planet theory, loosh farm and this sort of stuff do as a cope to make sense of really bad stuff that happen to them, and I know this happen to religion beliefs too but with them I see a worrying amount of people talking about suicide, way more than any other conspiracy community, take care of your mental health guys

>>41441694
No worries about spelling and stuff,
I think one and done probably makes the most sense it’s just like going to sleep but forever. Deja Vu is an interesting phenomenon but there are a couple of explanations, the human brain isn’t the best at comprehending reality. I wouldn’t exactly describe myself as an atheist despite everything I say.

>>41441595 (OP)
>Why would an all powerful god bother to create this?
God created this because we transgressed against God, so death entered the world through man's disobedience, reality was totally different before the fall.

>It seems clear to me that this universe doesn’t exist for us it’s far too large
how do you know that it's far too large? The earth is all that there is to the universe, the heavens above us exist in order to accommodate the earth and it's inhabitants, for we are the center of it all

>I hope they come and share their knowledge.
they already did during the times of Noah, they still do that today. Your phone, the cars, the planes, it's all fallen angel tecnology

>>41441723
yeah that's true, those ideas can only go two ways, either use them as a motivator to find purpose and happiness through your will, do things that bring you happiness as a fuck you to the loosh farmers
or
succumb to helplessness, apathy and ultimately death
it's good, maybe, I don't believe it so personally, but it works for some people, it is true however that it's very easy to misinterpret it as learned helplessness
yeah, thinking you are an anime girl being raped by tentacles out of your pussy juices while you are wearing a VR helmet can go two ways, but it's very easy to fall for it as enticing because you think it's inevitable (that you are a whore, but you aren't of course)

>>41441732
Why would God let Satan exist & tempt us?
Why would God kill & wage war like in the Old Testament?
Why would God allow there to be contradictions in religious text which is supposed to guide our entire moral framework?
Why would he allow psychopaths and sociopaths to exist? These people are just doomed from the start.?
I suppose the last comments could be true.

>>41441755
>Why would God let Satan exist & tempt us?
Because we are made in the image of God, meaning that we have a soul with a creative will of our own.
We are not automatons that obey God at his given command, quite the contrary, God wants to win our hearts and minds and to mold us to be his worthy successors, just like a Father would like to see his son to grow up and to inherit his legacy.

Satan was there to sow doubt in God's authority and man rejected his inheritance in the process, the lack of faith in God which Adam potrayed ultimately proved that he doesn't deserve to rule over heaven

>Why would God kill & wage war
Because God is a man of war
>Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war; The LORD is His name.

He is set out to destroy his enemies, for his mercy is not to be confused for weakness.
This is not unique to the old testement

Jesus didnt come to bring peace, but a sword
>Matthew 10:34

> contradictions in religious text
there are none, but the minds of the ones who are perishing are blinded to the news of the gospel

>psychopaths and sociopaths
>These people are just doomed from the start.?
Not necessarily, the vast majority of people who end up in hell are not such people, they are infact quite normal.
As for the psychos, there is always room for repentance

>>41441790
I get the free will angle, but why create Satan in the first place if God’s goal is winning hearts? Seems like setting up a test with an unfair proctor. If we’re made in God’s image, why does Satan get a pass to mess with us? Sounds like a flawed design, not a divine plan.
On the war thing, quoting “God is a man of war” doesn’t explain why an all-powerful being needs to resort to violence or let suffering run rampant. If Jesus brings a sword, how’s that square with mercy? Feels like cherry-picking verses to justify a tough question.
Saying there are no contradictions is bold when the Gospels can’t agree on Jesus’s last words or the timeline of events. Textual inconsistencies are well-documented—check any biblical scholar. Blaming “blinded minds” feels like a cop-out when the texts themselves don’t align.
As for psychopaths, I hope repentance is possible, but if someone’s brain is wired without empathy, how’s that a fair shot at salvation? Feels like the deck’s stacked against them from birth.
Still, I appreciate the take. It’s just hard to reconcile a purposeful God with a universe this chaotic and vast. Why’s it all here at all?

>>41441595 (OP)
You’re missing out on the best aspect of the absurdist philosophy. The inherent meaningless of life affords all of us the opportunity to create our own. It’s a philosophy steeped in self actualization.

>>41441595 (OP)
because a female created this universe. just go with it and enjoy the ride.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic

>>41441595 (OP)
The ultimate foundation of existence is based on paradox and irrationality.
This is what allows the endless unfolding known as "becoming" to occur.
If it was ever solved, it would become static and dead.
The rational and empirical can get you part of the way and can develop many interesting technologies for good or bad, but they'll never reach an ultimate end.
They just map out an infinite number of bottomless rabbitholes.
Similarly, in certain mystical traditions the Logos is one of the first emanations of the All, but it is not the All itself and can not contain and comprehend the All on its own.
Like with an irrational number you may find isolated pockets where there seems to be a rational pattern, but as soon as you zoom out a bit it all falls apart

>>41441829
I get carving out your own meaning I already do that. But that’s just a distraction a denial of the bigger question why is any of this here at all? Self-made purpose doesn’t answer the absurdity it just papered it over.

>>41441848
Lmfao wild

>>41441811
>f we’re made in God’s image, why does Satan get a pass to mess with us?
Because God himself didn't get a free pass and allowed Satan to tempt him too.

>Job 1:8-12
And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?” Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason? Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”
>Matthew 4:1
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

Satan is an instrument and an inherent part of God's framework, because he is there to test the character and the validity of soul, to see if it's consistent or not and to see if it's able to withstand the storm and the moving sands.

>doesn’t explain why an all-powerful being needs to resort to violence
Because the hearts of men are filled with violence, all of our thoughts are continually evil and we need to be eradicated, for we don't deserve to abide within the spirit of God

>Genesis 6:5
....and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Death is the only solution when men's hearts are completely hardened, for they turn into reprobates who are capable only to pervert God's world

>Gospels can’t agree on Jesus’s last words or the timeline of events
Because the gospels are not written by a single person.
They are written by his disciplines, all of whom have unique perspectives of Christ, all of whom try to express how they see him personally.
The gospels fullfill each other

>how’s that a fair shot at salvation?
you dont seem to listen, normal people are way more predisposed to end up in hell than any other group of people

>>41441595 (OP)
>This world is so absurd and strange
>None of it really makes any sense
these thoughts make me feel wonder and awe and don't really bum me out at all

>>41441851
Interesting analogy with irrational numbers and the Logos, but calling it “bottomless rabbitholes” almost feels like a dodge. I’m asking not just how reality unfolds, but why it exists at all. Paradox doesn’t solve that.

>>41441882
The All is everything.
However a thing is only a thing in relation to something else which it is not.
There is no "other" beside the All to relate it to, therefore it is both everything and no-thing simultaneously.

>>41441863
if God’s goal is to test us why even make us live through life full of suffering confusion and moral gray zones why not just send us straight to the afterlife he supposedly knows we belong in

Satan being an “instrument” just means God designed temptation and failure into the system that’s not a test that’s entrapment an all-knowing being wouldn’t need to do that

if faith is about love and truth why hide it behind ambiguity why not just give proof instead of relying on ancient texts that contradict themselves a just God wouldn’t demand blind belief from beings he made imperfect

and if this God is the one true God why allow billions to be born into other religions if that means eternal punishment that’s not justice that’s negligence

calling it a test doesn’t fix the fact the rules are unclear the evidence is shaky and the punishment is infinite this feels less like love and more like a system built to break us

>>41441880
I get this as well it’s so fascinating every other question is so small in comparison it’s a great purpose and reason to keep searching

>>41441892
yeah i get the all is everything idea but it still doesn’t change the fact there was a big bang that kicked all this off and the universe is still expanding so saying everything and nothing almost feels incomplete like it ignores the fact there was a beginning

>>41441899
>why not just send us straight to the afterlife he supposedly knows we belong in
Because he shows you mercy and he gives you time to repent

>an all-knowing being wouldn’t need to do that
didn't know that i was talking to an all knowing being that dictates what an all knowing being show do

>why hide it behind ambiguity
because only those who are capable to understand God are meant to be saved. If you stumble on the gospel, then you were hard filtered

>allow billions to be born into other religions
we are all born in sin, not a single Christian was born into Christianity since infancy. Christians are born again despite of their past

>feels less like love
The Lord hates most of you, he loves those who are called through the message of the gospel, can't say that the loves the rest.

>>41441595 (OP)
i would have sex with that, are you happy for awakening the truth i have suppressed in my freak for so long.

>>41441916
Everything is cycles within cycles within cycles... ad infinitum
The big bang is no different
The Cosmos aka the world of becoming has no true beginning or end

>>41441928
so mercy is optional, only for the “called”? what about psychos, or babies who die before baptism? when exactly does life start, when does a soul enter a body?

only those capable of understanding God get saved? what about people who grow up in total ignorance, extreme disabilities, isolated tribes like north sentinel island? doomed by circumstance?

Christians have to be born again despite their past. why not make it clear from the start? relying on ambiguity and chance isn’t love, it’s arbitrary

and we’re made in his image but he hates most of us? that’s inconsistent. this all feels less like justice and more like a system designed to entrap and confuse

I do agree with some points however. I could never begin to understand the will of an infinite being.

>>41441940
i like that idea, cycles within cycles is a cool way to look at the cosmos. it makes sense that the big bang could just be part of a bigger unfolding. still, it leaves me wondering why there’s something at all instead of nothing. cycles explain the how, but the why is the real puzzle

>>41441939
Im very pleased

>>41441949
>there is no "other" beside the All to relate it to, therefore it is both everything and no-thing simultaneously
That's the paradox, the everything IS nothing

If I ponder myself, I find that existence makes no sense from this perspective. I, or anything at all, shouldn't exist.

>>41441944
>or babies who die
the Lord has killed more babies than you can count

Numbers 31:17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

>Exodus 12:29
And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

precisely because he is all knowing, he knew that they would have no chance to repent. Their souls were indeed doomed, its just a cleanup duty on God's part.

>what about people who grow up in total ignorance
better off are the dogs who didn't hear of the gospel, than the ones who heard of it and turned away from the holy commandment.

> why not make it clear from the start
it was clear from the very start, you are just blind

>John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

>and we’re made in his image but he hates most of us? that’s inconsistent.
why would it be inconsistent? Wouldn't you hate your son if he raped your mother, killed your cat and then crossdressed as a drag queen in your house?

>>41441969
So you’re saying that everything just simply is and that it always has and always will? I’ve never really thought about it that way that’s a really interesting idea

>>41441974
i don’t get it man killing babies because they “won’t repent” isn’t justice it’s cruelty even if God is all knowing what about when life starts when a soul enters a body or the ones who grow up somewhere like north sentinel island with zero chance of hearing the gospel saying they’re “better off than the ones who heard and turned away” is just a cop-out it avoids the real moral problem

and yeah being made in his image but hating most of us still doesn’t make sense if the point is love guidance or shaping souls how can the system actively doom billions from birth that feels less like divine wisdom and more like a cruel experiment

>>41441986
you doom yourself through your own hardened heart.

God gave you the means to escape his wrath, the only means which is Jesus Christ himself and his sacrifice.

The Lord of dread doesn't care for your worm life unless you are born again.
He doesn't show mercy to his servents like me if they disobey him, why would he show mercy to rats like you who outright reject him?

Repent or perish

>>41442002
if God’s mercy only extends to those who already follow him then it isn’t really mercy, it’s favoritism. saying people “doom themselves” when they were born into a world stacked with confusion, misinformation, and silence from God feels like blaming someone for drowning in a storm you threw them into.

and if he “doesn’t care for our worm lives,” why call him loving at all? sounds more like cosmic indifference dressed up as holiness.

repent or perish isn’t an argument, it’s a threat. if truth is on God’s side, it shouldn’t need fear or coercion to convince anyone.

>>41442012
the truth at hand is that you will die a miserable death and there will be one one to save you from your doom, a death that stretches across an eternity where your screems echo across the infinity.

That's not a threat by any means, its a simple fact.
When you run infront of a car, it will crush you.
What happens when you run infront of God when you wretched body gives out and your body is faced against him in the astral

> why call him loving at all
because he gave you the means to be born again, despite you being a wretched worm that doesn't deserve any of it.

>>41442024
Your car analogy falls apart under scrutiny. A car crash is a finite consequence of a momentary choice, not an infinite torture chamber designed by an all-knowing God who places people in its path. If God creates billions of souls born into cultures, eras, or conditions where the truth of Christ is inaccessible and then punishes them eternally for failing to find it, that is not justice, that is a sadistic setup. A just system does not doom people for the circumstances of their birth.

You say God’s love is proven by the chance to be born again, but what kind of love hides that chance behind a maze of conflicting scriptures, cultural barriers, and divine silence? That is like offering a blindfolded prisoner a key to escape, then burying it in a labyrinth they cannot navigate. A truly loving God would make truth clear and reachable for everyone, not a privilege for the few who stumble onto it. If salvation is a gift, why is it rigged to exclude billions?

Calling us wretched worms while claiming we are made in God’s image is a contradiction you cannot ignore. If we reflect His nature, how can He despise us unless we conform to a narrow path most will never see? That is not love, it is conditional favoritism, like a parent who only loves the obedient child. And if God’s truth is self-evident, why does it need threats of eternal screams to keep people in line? Truth should not need fear to survive. Repent or perish is not an argument, it is a demand for obedience, and it makes a mockery of divine justice and love.

>>41442024
I’m about to go to bed but I do consider myself Catholic. I do like to dive deep into these arguments intellectually and learn what to say on both sides of the argument. I am personally conflicted in my exact beliefs. I try to live my life by doctrine yet disagree with many points you’ve made and have a different view of God. I wish you well and hope you use a less aggressive style of debate I think it will help you win more people over. I wish you the best, God bless.

>>41442046
>A car crash is a finite consequence
a crash against God is an eternal consequence

>A just system does not doom people for the circumstances of their birth.
yes it does. One's culture encapsulates the egregore of one's ethnicity.
Just so happens that all cultures leads to hell, but you dont seem to listen at all.
a Christian is born again DESPITE his culture.
i can tell for a fact that there are more saved people in the imaginary indigenous island in the pacific of tribal canibals, than the whole of London who has supposedly been Christian for centuries

> maze of conflicting scriptures, cultural barriers, and divine silence
the kind of love that expect loaylty and understanding

>God would make truth clear and reachable for everyone
it is reachable for everyone, just so happens that most dont have eyes to see it or ears to hear it, since animals are not able to process human speech.

>Calling us wretched worms while claiming we are made in God’s image is a contradiction
its not really a contradiction, Jesus wrestled with flesh constantly, especially when he was about to be crucified and he wanted to escape his fate.
The flesh is subjected to death and decay, its a byproduct and encapsulates our fall, the flesh represents what our disloyalty leads to

>>41442064
>Catholic
It makes sense why you are in a rebelion against God then,

>>41442067
I get that a “crash against God” is eternal, but that doesn’t fix the moral problem. Billions are born where Christ is unknown. Saying Christians are “born again despite culture” doesn’t help the rest—it just makes it arbitrary and unfair.

Expecting loyalty and understanding is one thing, but hiding the instructions behind contradictions, cultural barriers, and divine silence isn’t love—it’s coercion.

Truth might be “reachable,” but if billions are blind, deaf, or incapable of accessing it, how is it really fair? Love would make it universally clear, not a lottery of who stumbles on it.

Wrestling with flesh doesn’t justify calling humans “worms” while claiming we reflect God. If being made in His image matters, why are most doomed from birth? That feels cruel, not instructive.

Maybe my rebellion makes sense in your framework, but it still doesn’t explain why so many are set up to fail. If God is love, why the cruelty, the silence, the systemic barriers?

Also curious—what particular faith do you personally follow?

>>41442094
>Billions are born where Christ is unknown
billions are born where Christ is known, yet they go to Hell too.

> but hiding the instructions behind contradictions, cultural barriers, and divine silence isn’t love
because God doesn't love most of mankind.

>Truth might be “reachable,” but if billions are blind, deaf, or incapable of accessing it, how is it really fair?
because they are blinded through their own hearts, not through physical means.

>Wrestling with flesh doesn’t justify calling humans “worms” while claiming we reflect God.
the fall of mankind happened precisely because we don't reflect God, despite being made in his image

>why so many are set up to fail
because the vessels of wrath are endured with much longsuffering, in the hope that they could be reshaped into vessels of mercy. A potter doesn't outright dismiss his creation, he gives himself a chance to from something out of it which will be able to resemble his creative thoughts. Likewise God uses his influence and power to create worthy vessels of mercy that would be beautiful in his sight, but he crushes and disregards those who fail to meet his expectations

>what particular faith do you personally follow?
oh? im a Christian :D

>>41442133
so even billions who know christ go to hell? that just makes the system sound more broken, man. if people with the “truth” right in front of them still can’t win, what kind of test is that? it’s like giving someone a puzzle with missing pieces and punishing them for not solving it. a fair god wouldn’t build a game where almost everyone loses, no matter how close they get to the answer
you say god doesn’t love most of mankind, but how does that square with creating us in his image? if he hates most of us from the start, that’s not love it’s like a sculptor carving statues just to smash them. a loving god would care enough to guide everyone, not write off billions as unworthy before they even get a chance
blaming people for “blinding their own hearts” feels like a dodge. if god made us with hearts that can go so wrong, and drops us in a world full of mixed signals different religions, vague texts, no clear voice how’s that our fault? it’s like tossing someone in a dark maze and saying they chose to get lost. a just god would light the way for everyone, not just a few
the fall doesn’t fix this either. if god made us so weak one mistake could break everything, then calls us “worms” for failing, that’s on him, not us. it’s like designing a glass that shatters at a touch then blaming the glass. and your potter analogy? a potter who makes flawed clay then destroys it for being flawed isn’t patient he’s unfair. if god knows we’re “vessels of wrath” from the start, why not shape us right the first time instead of crushing most for not measuring up?
since you’re christian, what kind are you? like baptist, lutheran, or something else? i’m trying to get where your take on this comes from, cause this setup still feels more like a trap than divine love

>>41442163
The bride of God knows him personally and she doesn't cheat on him.
If you are God's bride, you would be loyal to him and you would recognize the love of your life.

or lets go with the sheep allegory, Christ's sheep will hear his voice and gather to him, if you are not of Christ's sheep, you wont respond to this call.

guess what buddy, life aint the way you want it to be. Its the way God ordained it to be. All these religions which you seethe about are there to entrap and enslave others to sin and death, since their own hearts dont belong to Christ.

>why not shape us right the first time instead of crushing most for not measuring up
Because he has the power to destroy, as much as he has the power to creature
you are not owned a good life or salvation
Maybe death is all you will ever deserve

>>41442183
create*
owed*

>>41441755
God exists.
However, the Demiurge/Satan/Shaitan/etc are just copes trying to keep the highest divinity's hands clean of the suffering we experience in the Cosmos.
The truth is that the One encompasses and transcends everything, including all apparent dualities - the good and bad.
Trying to create a separate lower entity to blame makes no difference in the end, since the highest power should be able to sweep them away with no effort
Inb4:
>the highest power is keeping them around to teach us moral lessons
If that's the case the other entity is still redundant, the highest might as well be teaching us those lessons himself. The middleman changes nothing.
>it's necessary for free will
whether or not free will exists, trying to reframe suffering as not being truly evil when viewed from a transcendent perspective also makes no difference. What we humans experience as evil and suffering in this world still comes from God

No it makes perfect sense

Everything in this simulacrum consumes something else

Why do you thinking humans are the top of the food chain?

Why does every aspect of this existence create suffering?

What do interdimensional parasites feed on?

>>41441595 (OP)
Emergent properties

>>41441657
Midwit take

>>41441976
Essentially.
When some people ask why God doesn't just erase Himself and all of existence into nothingness in order to eliminate suffering, the problem is that everything we experience is ALREADY nothingness. Nothingness doesn't mean a consciousness floating around in a black void forever.

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