Thread 41444405

Reincarnation seems pretty undeniable to me. How do this boards resident Christians and other adjacent groups feel on the subject? Could it perhaps be true that people are given several chances with God?

>>41444405 (OP)
What lives can never die. What dies was never alive.

>>41444405 (OP)
If you don't get to keep your memories then reincarnation is no different than permadeath.
To escape this world you have to hope all future incarnations of yourself are good which is beyond your control if your soul keeps getting reformatted.

>>41444405 (OP)
yes
https://s3.us-west-1.wasabisys.com/luminist/EB/S/Stevenson%20-%2020%20Cases%20Suggestive%20of%20Reincarnation.pdf

>>41444405 (OP)
Please explain your understanding of reincarnation including who or what exactly incarnates and into what form they incarnate from or will incarnate to.

>>41444405 (OP)
the lord is the one and only transmigrant -bhagavad gita
t. christian

>>41444405 (OP)
There is are many Christian sects that believe in reincarnation, Spiritism and Rosicrucianism are probably the most well known.

Reincarnation is a half-truth. Nothing's getting recycled or formatted. That's a primitive understanding. There is no time either. All lives exist simultaneously, past present, future, the imaginary, throughout the multiverse. So-called past lives are attachments only relevant to the person experiencing them and offer glimpses of a greater reality.

I have a succubus that said she is an arch angel of testing before. She's also said she's fallen, but I guess an arch angel of testing may pretend to be the female devil to a sinner to see if they'll do bad around the devil.

Proof of being an angel she gave me in private.

>succubus can heal broken bones with her mind
>succubus can erase ink from paper with her mind
>succubus can create ink with her mind
>succubus can teleport/instant fly me 1-2 miles at a time
>succubus speaks the most make sense information I've ever heard
>succubus told me at one time she was or is an arch angel of testing
>succubus can create narcotics with her mind
>succubus can multiply water or beer or soda in my mouth with her mind
>succubus can break bones with her mind

She said reincarnation NO eternal torture. But the Creator isn't going to mind control people to make them not hit each other. Free will is something the Creator values alot according to her teaching.

She said non-hindu reincarnation is real and I was reincarnated for sin. She said I did it wrong as a soldier in and after world war 2, and then killed people as a drug trafficker in my past life because I hated America as much or more than the Nazis i fought against when they banned drugs. I've never joined the military or killed anyone in this life.

She said I didn't do well enough to go to a good after life, and how I have succubus that the Bible or God cant or wont seem to remove is she's an angel of the Creator and the Bible isn't fact.

She also said arch angels can be reincarnated and angels to and made mortal if they sin enough.

I think God giving everyone, even angels mulitple chances makes more sense than the Bible and eternal torture.

My succubus/guardian angel also said Hell is like a giant prison planet with less quality conditions than Heaven but no eternal burning of anyone.

She said she's a non-christian angel and she said at one time she was an arch angel of the Creator.

>>41444405 (OP) I don't believe in reincarnation. The so-called memories of past lives are inconclusive, as metaphysics offers alternative explanations. One life. One destiny. One death.

>>41444405 (OP)
>How do this boards resident Christians feel on the subject?
it's unbiblical and its not a Christian concept, like at all

All the people who make up the Christian patriarchy such as Abraham, Moses, Samson, David and the rest... all of them died and were never mentioned to be reincarnated even once. These people didnt seek to start over with life, nor did they want to be subjected to all of the pain and suffering again, quite the contrary, they were looking for a better country, a kingdom of their own, where they will get to dwell in the temple of the Lord forever.

even if we look at Hell, its not a reincarnation cycle either, its a place of conscious and continual torment. A place in which you cannot have rest. In our human lives, we can get plenty of rest as it is, so no we are not in a reicarnation hell either, for hell is infinitely more cruel and terrifying than anything we might suffer in this life.

Once you die your soul goes into sleep, where you await to be placed in a new glorified body
There is only one resurrection of the dead, where every single human is brought back to life
There is a single judgement, where it is determined if their souls are to enter hell or heaven.

You get a single shot at this, there are no takebacks in the world cup race, you either finish in the first place, or you are known as the loser forever and your reputation is tarnished, with no takebacks

Repent or perish

>>41444518
No Christian denomination believes in reincarnation. If they do, they aren’t Christians. Get learned, retard, and stop talking like a 14 year old public school student

>>41444563
succubi aren't angels, the powers you describe are mere parlor tricks, you have been deceived

>>41444568
One life is such a stupid world view, obviously life stretches beyond

>>41444826
I don't think healing a broken bone is a parlor trick.

It's literally something i'd imagine God may remove from the Devil so he can't deceive too much.

I can't see God doing this

>Believe Jesus healing a cripple
>Believe Satan healing a cripple next to Jesus you burn in a fire pit eternally

It's too retarded for God. Just like Eternal Torture.

>>41444849
broken bones have the ability to heal themselves. That so called succubus didn't do anything to help you

>>41444849
>I don't think healing a broken bone is a parlor trick.
you also said that the spirit can break bones with her mind. it is quite obvious that the breaking and the healing alike are really nothing more than hypnotic suggestions

>>41444841 It's not stupid until proven otherwise; that's just your projection. The only evidence that reincarnation even exists are so-called past-life memories. As I wrote before, there are many alternative metaphysical explanations for this phenomenon besides reincarnation. I'm saying this from personal experience, as I "remember" a few things myself. The only difference between me and someone who takes reincarnation at face value is that I don't attribute these "memories" to myself.

>>41444872
>>41444875
Two different situations. Sorry for the lack of calrity. have to write an essay or small book to get all the information correctly and then it's TLDR. I will explain. Mulitple incidents. If you remember my old posts, all this info is from like 10-12 years of experience as I remember it. I get memories related to this stuff and post new information.

You guys are my acquaintainces I share this info with. My friends think it's just schizo and are athiests i think

>stand up with numb ass on a hill
>leg buckles 45 degrees wrong way
>oh fuck I need a cast
>angel pushes it back to not 45 degrees the wrong way and bends the knee the correct way all the way shut and touches it painlessly
>commands me to jump on it full body weight 1 leg
>i do it holds all my weight

And the break legs with her mind

She did it to show me her power it was a different moment.

>laying down
>suddenly above the ankle hurts beyond a mother fucker
>cant even roll over let alone get up
>oh fuck angel you're punishing me with a bone break
>Angel: Relax Kid, smoke a marlboro i'll make it heal your broken leg. I broke up.
>Do so
>Can get up

The only way she's a demon is the Creator lets demons heal broken bones.

She's also made me able to touch and hold red hot steel once.

Some of these are on purpose similar to stuff unfallen spirits in the Bible do.

I am glad a spirit doing biblical tier miracles (she didn't part the pacific ocean but oh well) is saying the Bible isn't true.

I'm a ex tweaker who hates Eternal Torture.

The angel gave me basically these rules to go to a good afterlife personally

>Respect the Creator
>Try to not be an asshole
>No Murder
>No Stealing
>No Cheating
>No violence

And it was just a summary in the moment she may have had another rule I don't remember.

I don't think im being decieved. Healing miracles plus a make sense list of rules from an angel.

I don't believe Christianity for the text in Bible, I believe the angel when she writes to me.

>>41444906
>The only evidence that reincarnation even exists are so-called past-life memories

That's some evidence.

People talking to spirits that say it is real is other evidence. The reason religions exist is people talked to spirits.

>>41444940
I broke it*

auto correct error*

>>41444940
that sounds exactly like hypnotic suggestion. there is no reason why your leg would just buckle 45 degrees the wrong way from standing up, but if you had been sitting long enough to have a numb ass, then i think its a good guess that you were in an altered state. hence your bone was never broken in the first place.
when broken bones heal there is always physical evidence that the bone was broken and healed. your bones don't have this evidence because they never really broke.
as an aside, the creator can and does allow demons to exercise healing powers, but i do not assert that your succubus is a demon.

>>41444405 (OP)
reincarnation just means you can still get your dick hard, and the resurrection is the drug you take when you can't.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic

>>41444978
>the creator can and does allow demons to exercise healing powers
That's possible. I just guessed they do not have healing powers. I have first hand found how decieving a spirit can if they heal.

People probably instantly go "ANGEL" when healed.

If demons can heal, I am still going to believe in a no eternal torture creator and just live life and find out.

No I wasn't hypnotized. I was sitting on my ass on my phone for a while cause homeless at the park. I was sober, smoking nicotine.

It is possible, if fallen angels can heal, a fallen angel healed me.

Ive been considering due to healing being potentially incredibly deceptive, Creator wouldn't let demons insta heal. And considering she's an arch angel of testing.

She said she's a fallen angel most recently, and before she said angel of testing before.

I think she told me the truth about no eternal torture though.

Its what I first believed about The Creator before I got scared of human religions. No eternal torture, but possibly non eternal torture harsh punishments from the Creator.

Which may just be common sense. Not sure.

I can't love an eternal torture creator. If God eternally tortured people, i hate him for who he is and he knows that already, no point in even trying to play pretend and pretend obeying his book from the heart. I already fully hate God then and will never change and can never change because God is evil and a monster and wants to be loved for it when we call that "good".

Luckily I believe what I do for me. The angel said there's a hell but no eternal torture.

But yeah I have no proof the creator takes away healing from fallen spirits. Might be foolish to assume so. I assumed healing may mean unfallen.

https://youtu.be/B3gLCz1uGgE?si=tOorOOwLsew46_H2

This implies reincarnation is real.

>>41445034
the reason why demons are permitted to heal is that physical health is sometimes contrary to one's spiritual benefit. in that case, god/the angels won't answer a prayer for healing. however, neither will he force you against your will. therefore he has to make an alternative means available.
if you think about this carefully, i think you can figure out that eternal torture thing to your own satisfaction

>>41444405 (OP)
It is not because you have to the Memory of the World /Akashic Records, that you reincarnated.
Most people has just accessed memory of someone's else's memories, BUT HAD A SO STRONG ATTACHMENT to the history they accessed, that for them they LIVED that memory.
I think that even in the Dharmic Traditions in which the reincarnation is a stablished concept, there is WARNINGS AGAINST the indiscriminate use of spiritual powers [like when you gain access to the Memory of the World]
If you discount the cases of faux-identification due excess attachment/excess identification, there are SOME few solud cases, with birthmarks, similar inhate behaviour, etc... that aren't linked to the faux-identification problem, that hint that reincarnation is possible.

>>41444950
>People talking to spirits that say it is real is other evidence.
Unfortunately, that is not the case. Most magicians we know of never trusted spirits. Their rituals are filled with threats, coercion, and other tricks. What does that tell you? That spirits are not to be trusted.
These magicians worked with demonic beings (Daimons). Such entities were not typically considered evil, but they weren't considered good either. They are lower spirits, prone to lying. Their words cannot be taken as proof of reincarnation. An ordinary magician cannot simply command higher beings, and I doubt such beings are even interested in our world.

>>41444563
keep safe anon. and yeah we dont gst any special treatment if we eff up too much. least from the evidence I gathered of my past. Have one too many disputes with the deputies down stairs that ends destructively n violently, and ya get to enjoy a human life like the rest... ugh. Wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't super nerfed and stuck a pariah to this place.
they do like to have someone keep an eye on the really stubborn ones. maybe a bit too much. cant hate dear old dad even if I try, but many that are just human seem to be able to just fine. kind of funny aint it? ya be more free than ya realize. and that's the true test. sorry for the rambling. again keep safe lad.

>>41444405 (OP)
Abrahamics are spiritually dead for the most part. Not sure why you'd ask their thoughts on this.

>>41444405 (OP)
>Reincarnation seems pretty undeniable to me.
except somehow nobody can remember any previous life and the ones who say they do somehow all claim to have been cleopatra.

>>41444405 (OP)
Reincarnation is a ugly and ungodly feeling only welcoming to those who did not do good or well enough in their previous life what a bullshit concept the afterlife is completely real though.

>>41446428
You need to open a book
https://s3.us-west-1.wasabisys.com/luminist/EB/S/Stevenson%20-%2020%20Cases%20Suggestive%20of%20Reincarnation.pdf

>>41444405 (OP)
This world is a farm. What it is meant to produce is something we have no name or concept for, some would call it loosh, others experience.
It's a forced meme in every meaning of the word.
Everyone who's had an NDE says they went into the light, where undoubtedly [family pet] or [family member] or [friend] was waiting, got to this awesome place where everything down to the beings were heavily personalized, told "you still have work to do", given a slideshow, taught all these "meaningful lessons" about staying alive, and then sent back.
I will tell you the manipulation that is happening here. The light that NDE survivors describe isn't what you see after you die, it's a different one used to indoctrinate them, turn them into a willing mouthpiece; and send them back so they can tell everyone about the glorious paradise waiting over there, and now all of the sudden there are billions of people who believe the light they'll see leads to the same place. When they touch it however
>BZZZT
>where am I? who am I?
>"Welcome to your first test. You're here to learn and get stronger."
You don't have to be evil to be fallen. You could simply disagree with this cruel and unusual practice, and all of the sudden you're the devil, you're badguy.

>>41446491
>all of the sudden you're the devil
>you're badguy
>you're human

>>41446491
meh
>>41446488
books can be full of shit, ranjeet

>>41446491
whether this is true or not one thing is for certain: divine entities and the divine establishment are not to be trusted. I'm not a buddhist but don't buddhists warn against devas and higher spiritual beings? I can guarantee you they are just as shady as the powers in this world.

despotism, inequity, exploitation of weaker people is not just some worldly thing, it is the entire universe. The buddhists are onto something when they say to avoid gods.

>>41447304
Wise words
I've had dealings with higher beings for going on a decade. I can tell you that they have a bigger picture, and you are not in it; or much MUCH worse, you are.

>>41444405 (OP)
Often when somebody who follows (or followed) an eastern religion takes an interest in Christianity they ask this question, because "convert before you die or else no more chances forever" sounds incredibly unfair and makes God sound either powerless or evil.

I don't think there's really much of a case for reincarnation in Christianity, at least as it's typically thought of. Some think Origen of Alexandria believed in it, but that's heavily disputed and to me personally seems very unlikely after reading his On First Principles (the new translation by Fr. Behr). You might instead consider that Anglicans, Orthodox and (I think) Roman Catholics all pray for the dead, and if you do some research you'll discover how weak the biblical/theological case is for somebody no longer being within God's reach (as if that were possible) after death. Consider also that Christ broke open the doors of Hades and announced the good news to those trapped there.

Recommended reading/watching if you're curious:
>David Bentley Hart's translation of the New Testament, and his book That All Shall Be Saved
>Thomas Talbott's The Inescapable Love of God
>David Artman's Grace Saves All (a book, but he also has a podcast by the same name)
>Julian of Norwich's Revelations of Divine Love
>The Monk of Mount Athos
>George MacDonald's Lilith and his Unspoken Sermons, especially Justice (https://www.online-literature.com/george-macdonald/unspoken-sermons/31/)
>The blog Eclectic Orthodoxy
>John Crowder's The Consuming Fire series on youtube
>The Total Victory of Christ and Love Unrelenting (both youtube channels)
>Interviews with Jordan Daniel Wood, a Catholic (doesn't have his own channel, but has done tons of interviews and has a substack as well as a book on St. Maximus the Confessor)

t. Buddhist convert to Christianity

>>41446428
Brain scans show that people have several dreams every night. Most are so vivid that you believe they're real as you experience them. How many do you remember? You forget these experiences almost instantly, and completely. And this is moments later, using the same functioning brain. If your consciousness was moved to a brand new brain with none of the physical neurological pathways, you wouldn't expect to remember anything from before. But, as discovered by the author of that book you were recommended (and other researchers), there are children who appear to remember details from previous lives, not as Cleopatra, but as normal people whose real life details can be verified by checking against historical records.

I'm not saying there's proof, but there's enough evidence to convince me that reincarnation is the most likely explanation for the data and the evidence.

>>41447838
The Cathar Christians believed in reincarnation. I forget whether they were genocided by Romans or the Spanish Inquisition, but I'm pretty sure they were slaughtered, every man woman and child, by Christians, for blasphemy. The Christian dogma has been manipulated over the centuries, generally by ruling powers with their own agenda. Who knows how different the current Christian message is from that preached by Jesus Christ (assuming he even existed)?

And I think Druze Muslims and Kabbalist Jews also believe in reincarnation. So Abrahamic religions aren't necessarily incompatible with reincarnation.

>>41444648
jesus says a lot of interesting stuff in aprocrypha.

>>41448379
I don't personally have any problem with a Christian believing in reincarnation (though the question then becomes what do they actually mean by reincarnation, as it's a loaded word which has as many meanings as people who believe in it), I just don't see the necessity of it within a Christian context if you already believe in a God who is infinitely loving, infinitely resourceful and who has infinite time to get through to every last person.

I come from a Theravada context and I find the idea of reincarnation I was taught within that incredibly uncompelling and unconvincing. I do believe God works with people through "ages and ages" up to the "age of ages" and that sanctification will be a long adventure of sorts for many of us. Again I suggest reading George MacDonald's Lilith to give your imagination something to work with here, it's a lovely book.

There is no reincarnation only life after death eternal life that is the promise of Jesus Christ

>>41448649
>in aprocrypha
It's not Jesus saying that, you fucking nigger. Apocryphal texts are not God-inspired.

>>41448328
thoughts on Self-engraving patterns?

>>41448746
How do you know which books are God-inspired?

It is true that you can share your spirit, It is written in the Bible, but a dead person cannot return to life with their own strength, a dead man it's still just a man.

>>41448766
I don't know anything about them so I can't comment. Where's a good place to learn about this?

>>41448816
Vatican rabbis told me

>>41444479
>Please explain your understanding of reincarnation including who or what exactly incarnates and into what form they incarnate from or will incarnate to.

The self is a fundamental fixture of reality. Being can't be created nor destroyed, just reconstituted. I think it's real but almost doesn't matter if you can't retain memory and a sense of continuity over incarnations. What matters is living right in your present life.

>>41444643
reincarnation is Gnostic Christian though

I reincarnated as myself. Its a long story.

>>41444643
>Repent or perish
believe or you will burn in eternity

>>41444405 (OP)
Well, the concepts of Heaven and Hell are pretty, obviously bullshit like on the face obviously made up to control people however, I think they are intentional misinterpretations of the truth reincarnational not being heaven, being intentional misinterpretation of reincarnated into a life it’s better than your last one in hell, being an intentional misinterpretation of reincarnate into a life it’s worse than your last one. It’s that simple. Dictated read, but too lazy to fix the errors in speech to text made

>>41444405 (OP)
>call sign: Blasphemy
Double banish me, eh?!!!!!!
Blasphemy, Never, forgets, /X/ mods!!!!.....

>>41452885
>why??
Why????????
Cause...........

>>41452885
>>41452891
>/X/ mods!!!!!!!

>>41452901
for the mods reading this, i hope you have a good day

Reincarnation is a hoax invented by the French socialists in the 19th century, especially Fourier and Leroux.

It is not found in the east at all. The doctrine found in the east is regarding the transmigration of souls, which is the rebirth of the same being into different realms or worlds.

The idea of reincarnation in this modern sense was spread by the spiritist movement, the Theosophical society and various groups adjacent to them, blossoming in full by the1960s such that it became commonplace within the counterculture and thus gained widespread currency in the various New Age movements.

That is the true history of how this idea came into the mind of Nicole, your unremarkable and dimwitted ex girlfriend who liked to shop at metaphysical stores and burn candles in various made-up rituals, and that is the true history of why threads like this exist.

>>41444648
>No Christian denomination believes in reincarnation. If they do, they aren’t Christians. Get learned, retard, and stop talking like a 14 year old public school student

Gnostics and Cathars believed reincarnation.

>>41452878
>Well, the concepts of Heaven and Hell are pretty, obviously bullshit like on the face obviously made up to control people however, I think they are intentional misinterpretations of the truth reincarnational not being heaven, being intentional misinterpretation of reincarnated into a life

Hindus and Buddhists believe in heaven and hell realms, along with reincarnation. These aren't antithetical concepts.

Heaven is a realm that allows more direct manifestation of will. Hell is more restrictive to will than earth. If you misuse will, you get more restrictions. If you use it rightly you, you ascend to a more paradisical place.

>>41452855
>believe or you will burn in eternity
Hell doesn't last forever, but it can seem like eternity. I don't think salvation is about avoiding hell or reward. Salvation is about remembering our true identity, that we are the sons of God. It's seeing through the layers of reality and knowing the soul always has and will be.

>>41444405 (OP)
>How do this boards resident Christians and other adjacent groups feel on the subject?
I have been a born again Christian since 2023, became really devoted since early this year.
I believe in reincarnation as i myself have a memory of my past life before my memory of the day i was born.

If you identify with the flesh, you die in the flesh. If you remember you are of the father, you live on in the spirit.

Dying in the flesh could mean reincarnation and staying asleep to the eternal truth. Remembering you are of the breath of the eternal Father is to remember the eternal present reality, before and after and outside creation.

To me salvation is through Jesus. He was the object that the Spirit of God seeded into the waters of creation from His heart and deepest intention.. He was the one who paved the way and was the culmination of Gods message to humanity. He was the word made flesh to show us the path to eternal life and to give us the relationship that God intended for Adam. His sacrifice gave us the artifacts that the Father needed to communicate his intention to creation.

To have a proper relationship with God is to wake up to our true nature, that God is our Father, and that we were created in His likeness to love Him and to love one another, because we are his children. Through Christ, the Father, the spirit, you remember that you are a son of God. You see through the waters of creation back to the Father as one sees through a glass darkly. The son of man, the second Adam, the ultimate lamb sacrifice, the son of God, our big brother Jesus, The Messiah foretold by prophets of the old covenant. He is the key to make the glass darkened become clear.

I'm a confirmed Catholic, but I identify with the Orthodox faith and have been putting off converting to it for a good while now.

Anyway, yeah I think reincarnation is entirely plausible. A lot of Christians, especially American, put fire and brimstone, and/or heaven on a pedestal and come up with all sorts of wacky stuff, without even really trying to learn about Christ. My thoughts are that heaven probably is in the very distant future, but to those that arrive there, it will feel like an instant after death. Basically everyone who ever died and was going to heaven, is in a state of unconsciousness, but because time passes instantaneously when you're not conscious, it will feel instant to wake up in heaven.

Hell, I don't really have any concrete opinions on it. I don't think it's what the organized religions have made it out to be. I think it more likely just the deletion of your soul. If you're a good person in your heart I and want to be like Christ, I don't think you should really worry about it one way or another.

As for reincarnation. I think God can do what he wills. I think if he wants to recycle one soul or another, that is his decision, and I do believe that there are probably instances, or maybe even many, where he does. I have no proof to back this up, I just don't really buy into the idea that we're all fresh souls here for our first rodeo. What would the chances of even being born in this particular time period, where we experienced this progression from low-tech, to small scale analog-tech, to the digital insanity that we have today? Extremely small chance. So either you're a result of that tiny chance, or you've been recycling, and were bound to be here during this time because of that.

There could be all sorts of mechanisms for this. Perhaps someone who could have been an otherwise good person, turned out rotten because he was born to awful parents who burned him with cigarettes, and so God recycles him? It could go a number of ways.