Thread 41447123

The best explanation for paranormal phenomena, from ghosts to seances to UFOs, is the jinn hypothesis. Jinn can be good or evil and are notorious for deceptive behaviors intended to confuse humans.

All paranormal phenomena have common traits:

>extraordinary beings that appear and disappear without anyone being able to "catch" them, leaving nothing more than physical traces
>parapsychological experiences ranging from telepathy to outright possession
>inexplicable behavior which thoroughly resists classification in terms of intent
>emotionally charged experiences often relayed in terms of spiritual events
>frequently appear in the context of occultic practices

That all describes jinn: immaterial beings from the unseen dimensions of reality with the power to temporarily materialize, who have the ability to sometimes appear to human eyes, who frequently like to play tricks on humans for their own purposes, who have a factional and societal reality of their own and act according to various shades of good and evil.

This entire board is literally /jinn/. The reason so many of us are whacked out weirdos is that fascination with jinn and practice of the occult makes one highly vulnerable to suggestions by jinn-- this leads to a preponderance of symptoms associated with schizophrenia such as hearing voices or the perception of hidden messages in media. Please be careful and understand that deliberate engagement with the paranormal (ie, the jinn) is exceptionally dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P96ZiWwbbT4

I posted the book on 3i atlas thread, now a mudslime has ripped it off and focused on shoving the islam propaganda
When will /x/ talk about the muslim problem we have here

>>41447123 (OP)
Inadequate argument. Persuasive writing style to deliberately obfuscate and lead /x/ babies toward materialism by shaking one paranormal concept in front of their faces. Thanks for playing, try again.

>>41447162
> lead /x/ babies toward materialism
The goal is to lead people to Islam. They call it "dawah", but OP is smart enough to not be so explicit about it
Same thing christians do, its all muh demons turn to christ blah blah blah
It's all tiring and mundane, that said the premise of the book, that disclosure is a form of social engineering, is absolutely valid, but the demented conclusion that OP makes, that one must avoid "jinn" at all costs, is typical braindead Sunni islam thinking. Sufis on the other hand happily interact with jinn

>>41447153
>>41447177

The idea of /jinn/ is pre-Islamic. While all Muslims believe in the unseen, not all those who believe in the unseen are Muslim. In fact, most people who believe in the unseen are not Muslims.

However, one can find very excellent descriptions of jinn in Islamic literature, especially the idea that jinn are both good and evil, wheras the Christians (who have excellent descriptions of demons in their literature and a very powerful awareness of demons in general) tend to strictly associate these beings with evil.

A lot of paranormal phenomena cannot be explained in terms of obvious maliciousness, and that is why I favor usage of this term and deference to the Islamic view in this context.

>>41447123 (OP)
So basically what you’re saying is that picrel is… real?

>>41447196
The fact that "jinn" is an one-size-fits-all term is just incidental, your true agenda is the imposition of Islam itself. For those who are brainwashed by the Saturnian cult of Islam, it is an instinct to impose in such a manner.
You did so well hiding your intentions, until the very last sentence
>lease be careful and understand that deliberate engagement with the paranormal (ie, the jinn) is exceptionally dangerous.
Here, the most egregious weapon of your cult is fully weaponised; the use of fear to manipulate behaviour. But you were smart enough to not mention following muhammad and allah as the only way out.

>>41447217
If a person believes X is the truth, then isn't it only natural that they would promote this view to others? Why are you using words like "imposition"? Why are you speaking for others?

>saturnian cult
I've not come across such a description before. Please elaborate.

>>41447259
First it's
>oh no, it doesn't matter muslim or not you should not interact with Jinn
Now it's
>it's only natural as a muslim I promote this view!
Which is exactly what i said, in my first post
The conditioning of the hivemind that is Islam, specifically Dawah, is so deeply ingrained and instinctual that you cannot even recognise it yourself
I use the word imposition because it is imposition, it is what Islam does, Dhimmitude and the tax you charge on non-believers is proof, your cult has eradicated all sorts of beautiful cultures in favour of your life-hating slave culture

Remember this, you snivelling little coward. If you simply wanted to make a post about Islam, that would be fine. It is your cowardice that i've put under interrogation. Your slimey tactic of trying to hide your true intention. It is weak, and God despises the weak.

>>41447329
You are very weird and abrasive. Tell me more about the Saturn thing.

>>41447340
Aisha was 6.

>>41447343
Oh how tiresome, how boring. Next you will post that picture of the Quran with bacon on it or a cartoon of Muhammad.

Aisha is the source for approximately 20% of the hadith literature and never once had something bad to say about her husband. Her father was Abu Bakr who was an intimate and steadfast friend of Muhammad. The age of menarche (roughly corresponding to the modern idea of "age of consent") varies substantially across time and space. Aisha was 9 or 15 depending on your source at the time of consummation. There are no apologetic arguments about this in the pre-modern period suggesting it was matter-of-factly accepted by Muslims of all stripes, who came from civilizations as diverse as Persia, North Africa, India and China.

I once visited a country in west Africa and saw a girl of about 7 carrying a baby on her back, probably a younger sister/brother. The point is that in traditional societies the expectations of responsibility are far higher and therefore the rate of personal maturation is far faster-- in traditional societies people will have the maturity of an American 30 year old by age10.

Tell me more about Saturn.

>>41447463
I am just glad everything i presumed about you, you end up proving correct. You saw my post about the book from the 3i atlas thread, you havent read the book itself (Islam of course is legendary for its anti intellectualism, and the quran is the dullest, most stupid and most repetitive of all the holy texts), now you're revealing yourself fully.

>>41447569
Ohhh ho ho ho big guy.

I did not see your post, I did read this book, and have occasionally posted pictures of the cover in threads over the course of the last 12 months. In fact I probably introduced you to it in a UFO thread at some point in the previous year.

What prompted my thread was the video in the OP which you will notice was uploaded yesterday and is the first Youtube video featuring Mr. Upton in several months. I am a big fan of his. He is a Muslim by the way.

Are you afraid to tell me your Saturn theory because you know I am smart and might make fun of it?

>>41447635
Dogmatic organized religion depends on an appeal to authority. If you make a valid argument as a Muslim, it is guarunteed to proceed from premises that can be blown away by a few ugly coughs. There is no reasoning that supports the infallibility of what Muhammad says. He was a misshapen human man who farted and stumbled over his words sometimes just like us.

>>41447671
>Dogmatic organized religion depends on an appeal to authority

Can you explain why "appeal to authority" is inherently bad? I know where you are coming from, I promise. I once had an insane mental breakdown after reading William Blake's Marriage of Heaven and Hell that led to an intense hatred of religion and "dogma." I wrote long diatribes against "institutionalized religion" and literally burned my Catholic catechism, so intense became my hatred of authoritative pronouncement.

The reason I came to those conclusions was the obvious corruption which has seized the majority of human institutions at this point in history, and the mendacity of apologists who seem to care nothing for truth and only desire to get people to follow a certain creed. I get it. (Sidenote: The tendency of human institutions to corrupt over time is well known and is described in several hadith, Muhammad said even Islam itself would become corrupted until it stopped existing altogether.)

But how do you know that there is no such thing as actual revelation? How do you know there are no authentic prophets, or authentically revealed books? How would you know an authentic revelation from a fraudulent human invention? How can you tell a corrupt institution from a healthy one?

>>41447732
There shouldn't be any resistence at all to the need to interrogate beliefs and update them with new evidence and logic. Religions do what philosophers do in slowmo and end up at a disadvantage as a result. Thinking is good as a matter of principle. "The book" inhibits the scrutiny necessary to uncover truths. Don't be an idea slut and run around getting your vagina abused by the "options" society suggests to you either.

>>41447834
>here shouldn't be any resistence at all to the need to interrogate beliefs
Agreed

>update them with new evidence and logic
Sure, more or less.

>Religions do what philosophers do in slowmo
In the west at least, religion and philosophy are very different things and have very different concerns.I don't think they "do" the same thing at all.
>Thinking is good as a matter of principle.
Of course.
> "The book" inhibits the scrutiny necessary to uncover truths.
"The book" claims to be the truth itself. The scrutiny belongs to individuals and it is natural they should have it. If someone comes up to me and says "I have a book from Heaven" I will naturally be rather skeptical.

>Don't be an idea slut and run around getting your vagina abused by the "options" society suggests to you either.
Is this your way of trying to avoid getting lost in the sauce since you reject authority and presumably have only your own mind for a principle? Nothing wrong with having your mind for a principle by the way, and you seem to recognize the limitations of such a scenario. I would suggest humans are limited enough in their mental abilities to require at least some foundational beliefs in order to think at all. Religious authority does act as a kind of axiomatic foundation.

>>41447123 (OP)
shut up jew open the mountain hangars in the chihuahua desert

>>41447463
>Aisha mentioned
>tldr reddit-spaced meltdown
Easier than a two dollar whore.

>>41447635
>I am a big fan of his. He is a Muslim by the way.
He's a Guenonian

>>41448741
Mary would have been impregnated around 13 btw

Stop throwing stones in glass houses abrahamoid

>>41448741
>hey judeochristian wut you doin?

>>41449268
Yes? So? Guenon was also a Muslim.
>>41448741
>no argument, no response at all

>>41449945
Guenon was a Perennialist (kufr according to most Islamic authorities) and his metaphysics were ultimately Advaita Vedanta more than anything else. He also did not have a valid bayat, he was "initiated" by a Swedenborgian orientalist named Ivan Agueli who created his own faux Sufi order.

>>41450036
It is an open question, whether perennialism can be accommodated by traditional Islam or not. There are reasons to believe it can be, given the Islamic tendency to universalism which is found in for example Q. 2:62.
The tendency to takfir is a hallmark of Salafism, not traditional Islam. Guenon's practice of Islam cannot be confined to his initial contacts with it, and he certainly practiced the religion and was respected by Egyptian Muslims, with whom he worshiped and spoke Arabic. Anyways an invalid bayat is not equivalent to shirk, and the perennialists after Guenon (such as Martin Lings or Charles Upton) have unimpeachable bayat. Certainly there are some Muslims who are skeptical of traditionalism/perennialism but, as I say, it is an open question, and they have been embraced by plenty of easterners. Guenon is widely read in contemporary Iran for example.

>>41450088
When people like Upton say traditional Islam they don't actually mean Islam as it was traditionally understood and practiced historically. They mean Islam that is Traditional in the sense that it reflects the Sophia Perennis (which for Guenon and people who follow him closely is nondualism derived primarily from Vedanta) and which have a valid initiatory chain going back to their founder.
>was respected by Egyptian Muslims
This means almost nothing. Most Egyptian Muslims in the 1920s were illiterate fellaheen. There are many Perennialist Muslims even today who are respected by born Muslims despite privately holding views that would horrify those same Muslims. And in some cases having private practices that would horrify those same Muslims, I don't think it's a secret anymore that Schuon was a sex cultist and probably pedophile. Perennialists are almost like right wing Frankists lol, they adopt the outer form and dogmas of their chosen religion and are selectively dishonest about their real overarching beliefs. And cliquish like Frankists too, they all promote each other.

>>41450132
>despite privately holding views that would horrify those same Muslims.
This is openly admitted by many traditionalists, thoroughly explained by them, and is entirely in the spirit of Sufi realizations such as al-Hallaj declaring "I am the Truth."

>I don't think it's a secret anymore that Schuon was a sex cultist and probably pedophile
Absolute slander. A case was brought to this effect in Indiana and finally dismissed by the courts because there was simply no evidence.

I am curious as to your background, you seem to be an ex-traditionalist. Is this correct?
(I have to go, but will check back in this thread in a few hours)

>>41450153
>This is openly admitted by many traditionalists, thoroughly explained by them, and is entirely in the spirit of Sufi realizations such as al-Hallaj declaring "I am the Truth."
Many but not all. Thoroughly explained in technical books on metaphysics but not to the regular people they meet at the mosque or Eastern Orthodox church. Entirely debatable about al-Hallaj.
>Absolute slander. A case was brought to this effect in Indiana and finally dismissed by the courts because there was simply no evidence.
I don't rule out the possibility but maybe Schuon's defenders should allow it to be discussed and debated out in the open instead of creating a taboo around it for decades and bullying people like Upton who had the gall to write about it for the public into silence. There's enough smoke there that it certainly cannot be ruled out and Schuon wouldn't be the only one. Hakim Bey/Peter Lamborn Wilson was an open pedophile who wrote about it in his books and he was not a marginal figure in Perennialism. He worked directly with Henry Corbin.

I wouldn't even consider myself totally ex in the sense that I see their writings as worthless or something like that. It's not nondualism or supra-traditionalism that I have a problem with when it comes to Perennialists. It is their dishonesty, a lot of these people are just fucking snakes. Their dishonesty and their refusal to face the fact that they are engaged in something as modern as everyone else is. It's only when religious discourse became globalized that we saw the emergence of these supra-religious sects like Theosophy and Thelema and Perennialism which claim to have distilled the essential truth in all of the world's different traditions. Abrahamic religion in the year 1200 was simply not like that and even the Renaissance Perennialists were not doing the same thing. They saw kabbalah and Hermeticism as prefiguring and expressing the truth of Catholicism as they understood it.

>>41447635
Look at you, total meltdown after exposing your attempt at islamist propaganda. You are nothing more than a Jewish bioweapon. If we had a serious intellectual conversation about the nature of reality, i'd eat you alive, you filthy mudslime.
In any case, any talk is pointless. You made it very clear you cannot co-exist with the rest of the world. Your impulse is to spread your death cult.We will soon have the divine mandate to slaughter every last one of you. Tick tock.

>>41450193
Even Upton concedes that Schuon's followers have a right to cultivate a respect around him which includes protecting him from the slanderous overtones of certain events, namely the Native American nude dancing which he led and which has followed his reputation like a shadow. You find this sort of thing plaguing many great men about whom there was no evil and so their detractors have to invent some evil by blowing minor details out of proportion. Schuon himself explained and defended the nude dancing, and he may continue to speak for himself. If you disagree fine, but to assume nude dancing = pederasty is outrageous. Guilt by vague association in the manner you describe with regard to the pedophile Hakim Bey is another way of slandering an innocent man who has no reason to be held accountable for vile actions of others.

I understand why you think of perennialism as a form of modernism. This is a common critique against them and it is something they have again defended themselves in various ways. The defense I find most convincing is that there was no need for a perennialist philosophy prior to the broad contacts of all the religions. There was only ever a need for each religion to clarify the nature of its relations to whatever religions it happened to have major encounters with by virtue of geographical proximity. This particularly applies to Latin Christianity which was practically isolated for the majority of its existence and never had any reason to make serious forays into the religious worldviews of non-Christians (Iberia is the exception in this case).

I agree that Christian perennialism is more difficult to find in the historical record than for example Hindu perennialism or Islamic perennialism, but there are a few instances especially in esoteric circles and it is possible Christian metaphysics properly speaking was forced to hide itself from Catholicity in the form of secretive teachings which may be authentically sourced in antiquity.

>>41447123 (OP)
>Become muslim
No. Never. Zutt in the butt.

>>41451530
>If we had a serious intellectual conversation
>any talk is pointless
?

>slaughter every last one of you
Are you okay?

>>41451568
>Tries to hide true intentions
>Gets outted
>No you must talk to me ahhhh
No.

>>41451578
Anon, it is an absolute waste of time trying to deliberately convert people on the internet, especially those who have already closed the door on something. I don't care about your religious beliefs or practices, you are a complete stranger to me and this is a Mongolian basketweaving forum. I have merely applied the slightest portion of the Islamic worldview to the category of paranormal phenomena because I consider it cogent and believable in and of itself, and thought others might as well. I don't care about you at all you are a complete stranger and I am not at all responsible for the state of your soul. You are very weird and seem to have an immense chip on your shoulder regarding the Abrahamic religions and some bizarre association you have conceived of relating to Saturn, which you remain bashful of explaining for unknown but guessable reasons. You are also extremely rude and say very uninteresting edge lord slop. I am not talking to you anymore, have a pleasant day.

>>41447123 (OP)
You should try fish oil and vitamin D.

>>41451647
Ahh, the mudslime is back to hiding its true intentions. For a people that pride themselves in all your expansions and conquests, you sure are incredibly slimey.
You are correct. It's entirely pointless having a conversation. Muslims are pathologically incapable of having a balanced conversation without trying to subsume everyone into their belief system, or outright imposing themselves as the objective truth. Negotiation is useless. The spirit of Mars is the only one appropriate, through righteous anger we will wipe you off the face of the earth in the coming decades.

>>41447123 (OP)
The term jinn is inappropriate. Because it's only for creatures of fire. There can be no jinn of water, according to the definition of the Quran. That's why you Muslim Arabs don't believe in mermaids and that's why you live in the allahdamned desert. And there are also creatures of the earth - dwarves.
>> Jinn can be good or evil
Are you stupid enough not to meet with neutral and chaotic creatures? I feel pity for you.
Besides, good or evil is often a matter of politics or sports.

>>41451700
Checked
We should give them a little credit though. The muslims are a very debauched people. Islam is just a legal philosophy, and very strict at that. That is the only thing that can pacify them. To expect a muslim to have an ability to contemplate higher things is like expecting a dog to do maths.

>>41451700
The elemental essence of a being is not its restricted domain. Humans are divine breath and clay but they can certainly go diving for pearls or make submarines. "Good or evil" does not immediately disqualify neutrality, it's not an exclusive or and the OP also says "according to various shades of good and evil" which is absolutely explicit.
Why did you write this pointless post? If you have nothing to say remain silent.

>>41451719
You can't even finish a translated volume of Ibn Arabi, shut up idiot.

>>41451732
I don't read mudslime texts. Kabbalah is far superior.

>>41451723
>The elemental essence of a being is not its restricted domain
retard