Thread 41447583

>THE FLAVIAN DYNASTY DID IT
>Vespasian, Titus, Domitian - the ultimate based patricians
>decided to create an entire religion to mind-control the Jews after they lost the war
>not even joking, this is 100% provable
>they created "Jesus" as a composite character of the 5 deified Caesars
>Julius Caesar, Augustus, Claudius, Vespasian, Titus - all mixed together
>literally copy-pasted the passion narrative from Caesar assassination onto Jesus
>Francesco Carotta proved this in "Jesus Was Caesar"
>both die at the 9th hour
>both betrayed with a kiss
>both have resurrection narratives
>it's not even subtle

>BUT WAIT IT GETS BETTER
>there are TWO different Christs in the New Testament
>the first one (Christ-Titus) was for Jews only
>required you to follow the Torah while worshiping a Roman guy
>Jews looked at this and said "this is bullshit" and went back to the Rabbis
>so Titus's version failed lmao
>enter Domitian with his 5head plays

>Domitian has an "epiphany" around 90 CE
>realizes: why limit this to Jews? Make it for the ENTIRE empire
>creates the character Paul to say "Christ fulfills the law, don't follow Torah"
>suddenly everyone can join
>Christ-Domitian (the final Christ) is now universal religion for all Romans
>the guy literally called himself "Lord God" and demanded worship
>he IS the final Christ according to his own writings
>this man had HAMMER TOES and they encoded it into Revelation as "feet of bronze"
>peak levels of unfunny boomer humor
>the whole court laughed about it

>fast forward to 96 CE
>Domitian gets assassinated
>before dying, he writes Revelation himself
>not John, definitely not John
>just Domitian flexing on future generations
>writes it entirely in hidden allegorical code
>only people who know about Caesar's Messiah can even begin to decode it
>typical Roman move

>>41447583 (OP)
>REVELATION IS NOT AN APOCALYPTIC TEXT
>this is the key redpill
>Domitian literally says it's a warning to future church leaders
>"Listen up, you future bishops. Don't let anyone find out we created this."
>"If the truth comes out, Rome (Babylon) will collapse economically"
>"All the merchants won't be able to sell their wares anymore"
>he describes what ALREADY HAPPENED, not future events
>but he writes it in code so if you decode it, you realize it's a joke

>THE SEVEN ANGELS ARE THE CAESARS
>Julius Caesar - angel 1
>Augustus - angel 2
>Claudius - angel 3, this is where it gets funny
>in Revelation an angel blows a trumpet and Wormwood falls
>Claudius was literally poisoned by wormwood in real life
>Vespasian - angel 4
>Titus - angel 5
>Domitian - angel 6
>Jesus (literary figure) - angel 7
>it's literally just them jerking themselves off in code

>THE THREE BEASTS ARE REAL GUYS
>first beast = Vespasian
>second beast = Titus
>third beast = Domitian
>they form a trinity with God the Father = Vespasian
>and the Holy Spirit = Domitian
>Christianity's entire Trinity concept is just the Flavian dynasty
>this makes zero sense in Judaism which is monotheistic
>because it was invented by Romans lmao

>666 = TITUS
>church father Irenaeus got it right when he decoded it as "Titan" in Greek
>or "Titus" in Latin
>mark of the beast = physical tattoo placed on captured Jews from Judea
>the 144,000 with seals = enslaved Jews forced into this religion
>they had to worship a Messiah created by their conquers
>absolutely brutal psyop

>THE FALSE PROPHET IS TITUS'S JESUS
>Domitian (on white horse, final Christ) defeats the beast (Titus) and his Jesus
>there are multiple Jesuses in the New Testament
>it's a literary device used to transition between two versions of Christianity
>mainstream scholars think this is one guy
>actually it's a mess of redactions and edits lmao

>>41447588
>NICOLAITANS = CONQUERED JEWS
>not a Gnostic sect like they tell you
>etymology: "Nikos" (conquer) + "Laos" (people) = conquered people
>Domitian hates them because they're still following Torah
>tries to make Rome bend them to his version of Christianity
>Synagogue of Satan = same group btw
>they worship Titus's Christ (Satan = the beast = Titus)
>but follow the Torah so they're "not really Jews"

>THE GOSPELS ARE A PSYOP TOO
>Gospel of Mark: written as a joke on the Jews
>contains hidden references to the Jewish War
>Simon the Zealot would have been immediately recognized as mocking Jewish resistance
>beautiful facade but deeply humiliating content
>Gospel of Matthew: Torah-observant Jewish Christianity, Titus's version
>Jesus explicitly supports the law
>teaches Beatitudes to pacify conquered peoples
>Gospel of John: the final form, Domitian's version
>Jesus says "you Jews" (not identifying as Jewish)
>"I and the Father are one" = Jesus is literally God/Lord God
>represents the break from Judaism to universal empire religion

>PAUL IS FAKE
>Paul is a fictional character created by Domitian
>not a historical person
>Paul represents Domitian's ideology - apostle to the Gentiles
>never actually met Jesus or the disciples
>proves he's completely new ideology
>the "lucky seven" authentic Paul letters correspond to the seven seals
>Romans wrote them to establish "Christ fulfills the law" theology
>this was the KEY innovation that made Christianity work empire-wide

>PETER VS PAUL = TITUS VS DOMITIAN
>two statues outside Vatican
>Peter = Titus's Torah-observant Christ (enslaved Jews keep following law)
>Paul = Domitian's law-free Christ (Gentiles join without Torah)
>Catholic Church later "catholicizes" both into one unified religion
>call it orthodox, burn the Gnostic texts, pretend it's ancient
>the levels of deception are insane

>>41447590
>ROME REALIZED THEY CRACKED THE CODE
>direct Caesar worship? People hated it
>conquered peoples resented having to worship Caesar directly
>solution: create invisible god worship via Jesus
>but Jesus IS the deified Caesars (composite character)
>so they're still worshiping Caesar, just indirectly
>they don't even know lmao
>genius psyop move honestly

>THE SCROLL IN REVELATION
>sealed scroll that only the Lamb can open
>John weeps because he cannot open it
>symbolizes that Jews cannot control the scripture meant for them
>Romans have complete control of the Jewish faith narrative
>it's the New Testament gradually being assembled
>sealed because its meanings are hidden in code

>BUT HERE'S THE TWIST
>Revelation 20:7-10 - Satan released after 1000 years
>people think this is about end times
>it's actually Domitian commanding future church leaders to release the truth
>around 1096 CE (1000 years after Revelation written ~96 CE)
>this is when Caesar's Messiah gets discovered
>Domitian WANTS the truth to come out eventually
>why? Because he needs the legacy, needs to be remembered
>nihilistic flex: "we created the biggest religion in human history as a joke"
>"we mocked billions of people for 2000 years"
>"you have to admire our genius"

>the Flavians were so narcissistic they encoded the secret to their own unveiling
>they couldn't get immortal glory unless the world eventually knew what they did
>this is why Atwill's work is so important
>it's completing Domitian's plan for them
>the truth is coming out NOW
>we're living in the time when Satan (truth) is being released

>GNOSTIC TEXTS WERE PLAGIARIZED
>the neoimperial cult stole Gnostic writings
>removed the key concepts (like the demiurge)
>mixed them into the New Testament
>this is why Gnostic groups emerged so fast
>within 30 years they were denying Jesus's physical existence
>makes zero sense if Jesus was historical
>makes perfect sense if Romans stole Gnostic texts and got caught

>>41447593
>GOYIM SCHOLARS GET IT WRONG
>Bart Ehrman: owns his books, read them all, he doesn't get it
>says Revelation is violent prophecy against Rome
>nah bro, Revelation IS Rome, Domitian saying "we won this"
>Elaine Pagels: thinks John challenged the evil empire
>lol she's completely backwards
>GotQuestions.org: "these are future events"
>just mainstream cope
>only Joseph Atwill cracked the code
>his book is literally the only one that makes sense
>I've read it dozens of times, every time you catch something new
>RABBINICAL JUDAISM WAS ALSO CREATED
>after the Temple fell in 70 CE
>Judaism transforms from temple-centered to law-centered
>Titus probably formalized this too
>created a Rome-friendly version of Judaism
>one that doesn't require Caesar worship
>Jews could either follow Rabbinical Judaism (Rome-approved)
>or follow Torah-Christianity (also Rome-created, but more embarrassing)
>either way, Rome wins
>Jews rejected both because they knew the Christians version was fake
>the Rabbis at least let them keep their dignity somewhat
>JULIAN THE APOSTATE KNEW
>the last pagan emperor
>definitely knew Christianity's true origins
>didn't want the empire succumbing to "this joke religion"
>that's why he tried to restore paganism
>too late though, Christianity already took over
>NERO'S CHRISTIANS WERE DIFFERENT
>Tacitus mentions Christians blamed for Rome burning
>these were actually imperial cult worshipers
>Caesar-worshiping Christians
>Nero wanted to be deified but wasn't popular
>tension between him and his followers
>"Christian" might have originally meant Caesar-cult devotee
>not these Domitian followers
>IRENAEUS EITHER WAS IN ON IT OR WAS FICTIONAL
>guy who started the "catholicizing" process
>unified the two versions of Christianity into orthodoxy
>correctly decoded 666 as Titus
>how did he know unless he was in the circle
>or was he just another fictional creation
>"so many levels of lies within this Christian creation"
>it's lies all the way down honestly

>>41447599
>THE VULGAR HUMOR IS REAL
>Domitian's court found this hilarious
>God with "feet of bronze" when Domitian had hammer toes
>fifth grade level jokes encoded in sacred text
>"gross sexual innuendos" everywhere
>Mark's gospel contains cannibalism jokes
>they were mocking people who actually believed their own theology
>Romans found Jewish messianic expectations funny as hell
>this is a vanity project where they also mock the believers

>VANITY PROJECT ENDGAME
>beyond political subjugation, this is a psyop flex
>Caesars declaring themselves as man-gods
>wanting permanent divine legacy
>even if it means revealing the chaos they caused
>they want to be remembered forever
>the "evil lie" is the proof of their genius
>they want us to know: "we did this, and we destroyed everything, and it's awesome"

>HEAVEN IS ROME
>when John "ascends to heaven" he's going to Domitian's throne room
>the 24 elders on 24 thrones = Domitian's 24 loyal senators
>documented by Suetonius
>"kingdom of heaven" in gospels = Rome
>Caesar = Christ literally
>Jesus's apocalyptic teachings are just Roman Gnostic ideas
>mixed together with unfulfilled prophecy to keep people waiting

>THE GREAT HARLOT ROME
>Revelation 17-18
>Rome as Babylon, the great harlot
>seated upon many waters = nations joining Christianity
>they all get "drunk" on her fornication = adopt her religion
>verse: "her sins are heaped as high as heaven"
>economic devastation predicted if truth revealed
>merchants can't sell their goods anymore (Rev 18:11-13)
>this is what Domitian feared: exposure

>>41447601
>OP'S JOURNEY INTO THE ABYSS
>been researching Revelation for decades
>took years to understand, needed to read Atwill's chapter multiple times
>used to think the Bible was beautiful
>then realized it's "really ugly" and "a joke making fun of Jews"
>"punched in the stomach" when it all clicked
>"sickening" realization
>spent many nights "laying in bed thinking about the insanity"
>"really hit me hard"
>understands why people don't want to know the truth
>if this comes out, Flavian dynasty is "forever damned"
>"extremely difficult to see"
>won't become "the next Myth Vision" (another Bible autist)
>just wants to share the information

>TL;DR
>The Flavian dynasty (Vespasian, Titus, Domitian) created Christianity as a sophisticated psyop
>Jesus is a composite of 5 deified Caesars
>Paul is Domitian, Peter is Titus
>Revelation is Domitian's warning to future church leaders
>Everything is encoded in hidden typology
>The truth is supposed to come out 1000 years later (now)
>Joseph Atwill proved it all
>mainstream scholars are coping hard
>Christianity is the greatest Roman fraud in human history
>and the Flavians want you to know about it

>this is my thesis now
>I will spend the rest of my life on this
>cannot unsee this
>please god let other people realize this
>the simulation must know what happened
>we're all being tested by ancient Roman narcissists from beyond the grave

>>41447583 (OP)
This is just another white nationalist Christcuck cope to pretend it isn't Jewish in origin.

Do you know how we know the religion is Jewish? There are so many Old Testament references in the New Testament that the New Testament was specifically written to appear supernatural to Jews. Do you think Titus or Domitian gave a shit about the story of Abraham and Sarah?

The Book of Revelation is also obviously copying and pasting from Daniel, even down to key phrases like "a third of the host of heaven" which appears in Revelation 12 and Daniel 8

Keep coping Christcuck. If you really think fabricating an entire Jewish religion is a way to "own the Jews," the Romans must have really thought the Jews were super magical supervillains at a level Carthage wasn't.

Why didn't Rome create a Carthaginian cult you fucking mutt?

>>41447613
Romans were sophisticated enough to plagiarize existing Jewish/Gnostic material wholesale rather than invent from scratch. On Carthage: Rome needed to control existing populations (Jews spread throughout empire), not resurrect extinct ones. The Daniel parallels suggest Christian apocalypticism draws from Jewish traditions whether or not Domitian authored it.

>>41447699
Here's my theory of where Christianity came from:

I do think that "Jesus" existed but he was a part of the Merkovah / Essene sects that were popular around that time, they were doing "ascension" mysticism, kind of mimicking Greek mystery cults but it was a mostly wholesale Jewish product; the idea was doing spiritual practices to transform your nature into that of an angel in order to enter into one of God's heavenly palaces.

These sects sometimes had a belief that the Angel of the Lord from the Old Testament was originally Enoch, or an angel called Metatron. If you read the Ascension of Isaiah, it's clear that men can ascend upwards and become angels, while angels can descend downwards and become men - so they probably believed Jesus was the descended Heavenly Messiah you see in Daniel, or perhaps this Angel of the Lord descended in the flesh.

Unfortunately, these sects were the ones who largely caused the Roman-Jewish wars to happen, so they crucified Jesus, with his followers believing he went back up to Heaven.

What later happened is that the cult spread and many viewed it like another Dionysian cult, incorporating Greek mystery elements in it, identifying Jesus perhaps as Dionysus himself.

And when Constantine made it the official religion, they cut off the extremely Jewish and extremely Greek parts of the cult that still lingered in other parts.

So in a sense, I do believe Christianity as we know it is a product of the Roman government. Absolutely. But I don't think they intentionally fabricated the religion.

The existence of worms like 3 Enoch, the Testament of Solomon, and the Ascension of Isaiah disprove that theory pretty conclusively. These works wouldn't exist if Christianity was just some Roman governmental program.

>>41447751
Works, not worms

>>41447751
We already agree Roman government shaped Christianity. We just disagree on the timeline and intentionality. The existence of Jewish mystical texts doesn't disprove deliberate Roman redaction - it explains how they made it convincing. But you still haven't explained Revelation's specific typological encoding of Flavian emperors or why Domitian-era texts show such a sudden ideological shift. That's where the proof lies.

lol like maybe 37 Jews became Christians in the first century

If you wanted to psy-op the Jews you would at least consult with Flavius Josephus and concoct a Messiah believable to the Jews, a Bar Kokba sort of figure. You would not create an unmarried rabi who got crucified by the Romans and was born in the wrong city.

>>41447816
The Trinity comes from Plato.

https://www.faculty.umb.edu/gary_zabel/Courses/Phil%20281b/Philosophy%20of%20Magic/Arcana/Neoplatonism/Emanation%20and%20Triads.htm

The Beast of Revelation does refer to Rome, but the old Jewish conception of evil spirits were more like "chaotic wilderness spirits" rather than pure fallen angels. What John was doing was he was identifying the ideal of civilization as an idealized, Heavenly, Platonic Jerusalem, and identifying those forces opposed to that ideal as synonymous with chaotic wilderness desolation forces. Naturally, as the Romans basically genocided the Jews during the Roman-Jewish wars and burned down the Temple of Solomon (which Jews are still angry about to this day), naturally, John identifies the Roman Emperor's as this kind of horrifying anti-civilization chaos wilderness demon, perhaps as the mother / father of all these demons with how horrifying and brutal Rome was.

>>41447845
Also, "drinking blood for salvation," even though blood from living beings isn't kosher to Jews because it's unclean. That's a huge red flag.

Obviously, the Eucharist is a leftover element of the Greek mystery cult influence which did that sort of thing.

>>41447583 (OP)
without evidence this is just a fanfic

>>41447583 (OP)
Always remember anons, if Jesus wasn't real... why would it matter to them so much, that you don't believe in Him?

1 John 4:3
>and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

>>41447926
...maybe because the Church and governments use Jesus to manipulate people into doing their will?

>>41447901
https://www.academia.edu/105659113/Compilation_of_evidence_the_Flavian_Emperors_were_responsible_for_Jesus_story_and_that_Domitian_modified_it_and_the_reason_that_they_left_such_evidence_Article_4_

>>41447583 (OP)
>this man had HAMMER TOES and they encoded it into Revelation as "feet of bronze"
It was at this moment that I decided this was a little too schizo and stopped reading fyi

>>41447613
>we
Collectivistic rats need not apply.

>>41448434
Do you pay taxes? Do you have a job? Does that make you a "collectivist" you fucking retard?

>>41447901
>without evidence this is just a fanfic
This has the argument against Christianity from day one.

The virgin and the hawk

How would it work?

Let me tell you it never does

>>41447583 (OP)
Of all the hylic theories of Christian origins, this is possibly the dumbest.

>>41448470
No one does this shit willingly.

>>41450222

I can't convince you otherwise. I have seen the evidence. It is long and boring. I did not present it here. But it convinced me.

>>41447605
Very good anon but you forgot one thing

>Fucking Aliens man!!!!

I'll let you do the rest of the research