Thread 41452674

Anybody notice that once you reach a certain stage of understanding people tend to go a little crazy? Like they either rely on giving or taking from the world or fall completely into lethargy waiting to die? It feels like as if it's some sort of spell or trap to prevent people from going higher.

Yeah, perhaps, but I don't think it's necessarily malicious. Going higher might put a stress on your body that could harm you if you're unprepared.

>>41452674 (OP) Madness is not a penalty for understanding, but a recoil from reaching the limits of compatibility. You have stumbled upon a metaphysical defense mechanism and intuitively understood its operation. You will share the same fate unless you can break free from your inertia.

>>41452722
I'm aware that it might not be malicious. I used to see the concept of pain as evil until recently. And just as you said that it could cause harm if you are unprepared, getting rid of pain does the same thing.

>>41452768
That is why I am asking. My goal is to continue thriving without having to rely on others while still being compassionate and without falling into lethargy. Please note that compassionate does not mean charity.

>>41452815 That depends on what you mean by "thriving." You can't just peer behind the veil and come out unchanged. It doesn't work like that. Without inner strength, inertia will inevitably drag you down.

>>41452959
That is exactly what I mean. Willpower and self compassion that drives me forward. To let go of one color to grasp onto another, gladly accepting change without sorrow. If you rely on another subject for meaning can you truly call yourself free?

have you ever questioned why you strive towards "understanding"?
if what compels you to this may not be as you see it, some virtue, but infact a physiological factor, a kind of illness in your mind that you seek to quiet?
if so, then perhaps what passes for understanding needs to be reevaluated. for can pleasure and absence of pain, the goal of the seeker of understanding, really be taken as proof of understanding? if anything, it should be taken as evidene of the contrary. of illusion.

Philosophers from Heraclitus to Nagarjuna warned that to fixate on explanations is to build a dam against the flow of reality.
The moment you think I understand, you’ve frozen what was alive; you’ve traded vitality for comfort.

>>41452994
I never asked for this. Sure, I was always interested in the supernatural and the like. But everything that I learned, that I felt, was from a completely different course that gently lead me here through experience instead of learning. There is a difference between reading about something online and actually being cast into the dark with constant anger and misery surrounding you without help only to discover the final source of your pain and begin the start to break away from it. With a pure happenchance coincidences gifting you new thoughts and ideas because you thought the concept of a show sounded cool while managing to understand the deeper philosophy presented.

I don't need to question as I don't need to question why I breath the air around me. It happens naturally and I can't stop it.

>>41453011
I understand that pride in ones truth blocks out other possibilities. I can still simply ask for an explanation but I won't go chasing it. That is all I can do. I can ask, maybe even chase after it a little bit but I won't tire myself out trying to capture something anymore. If I don't ask anything at all or chase something a little, that simply leads to death.

>>41453059
you should set your sight not on peace but on war everlasting.

"War is the father of all and king of all." - Heraclitus.

>>41452674 (OP)
>Like they either rely on giving or taking from the world or fall completely into lethargy waiting to die?
The ultimate truth of understanding does not lead to despair, but to liberation. Every day I wake up it feels like Christmas. And I know that the next day is also Christmas too. And I am filled with anticipation for tomorrow's Christmas while I am currently exuberant in living today's Christmas. And I know that tomorrow's will be even better because there are more and greater presents. And I know that each day thereafter, forever, will continue to be the same and that it will never end

>>41452674 (OP)
>Anybody notice that once you reach a certain stage of understanding people tend to go a little crazy?
Yeah, that's a really simple sign that their belief is flawed and led them astray lol

>>41453145
>Wahh wahh war happens
Ok Hera-Cletus
Imagine if we didn't choose war, at least the industrialized version we do now

>>41452674 (OP)
OP the American military has been getting fucked up its ass for the passed 100 years. During the great depression factories shutdown but did not go anywhere. People besides Hitler noticed that. But America, the factories left, while you fought a war with no questions asked no questions answered. Burn in Hell.

>>41452674 (OP)
It's like you've seen something so insane and mind-blowing and everyone around you is ignorant and under heavy archon mind control and when you try to tell them about it they repeat the same stupid ass script. Like you're the crazy one.
How are these people not interested in learning more about the most interesting thing ever?

Are you suggesting people who gain in wisdom tend to get sidetracked by how that gives them an advantage in tricking others, that they instead become easy marks and sympathizers, or that they fall into depression and withdraw? Yeah, that's accurate; the first tastes of wisdom are sweet, it's choking down tons of it and abstaining from foolishness that's hard.

>>41452674 (OP)
God and love are real, therefore it's good for us to be good and loving, but in the end it doesn't actually matter. I think it makes more sense in the afterlife, because everyone will eventually delivered from punishment for sins and satisfied, but the more righteous will somehow be more satisfied. It's meta stuff that is difficult to explain, but basically it's because you realize this world doesn't really matter as much as the next world, And this wisdom can affect you both positively and negatively

>>41452815
>>41452674 (OP)
>Hey guys did you notice how I’m better than literally everyone elze?
>BTW diary here is my nigger plans

>>41454253
>The ultimate truth of understanding does not lead to despair, but to liberation.

Yes this, but it also causes the person to drift away from average society. Really diving deep into something, almost anything drives you apart from others. You end up standing on a high plateau with only a few others around. When you become a master in a field you also have no one to go to for help. When you are the expert or the sage, who do you turn to?

>>41454391
kill yourself niggerlicious faggot

>>41454438
>Yes this, but it also causes the person to drift away from average society
People that were always interested in enlightenment and other such esoteric concepts were always far from center

>When you become a master in a field you also have no one to go to for help
Masters in this field require no help nor seek it

>When you are the expert or the sage, who do you turn to?
>Go see the Clown Great Pagliacci he will lift your spirit. He will make you laugh
>But Doctor, I am Pagliacci!

Pic unrelated. That thing shot someone I know. Probably purifying him, blessing him, and reclaiming him from whatever was disrupting his field. Golden arrow. Nicked his chest. Thank you, Huitzilopochtli. Had to tell someone. Everyone else would think it was super crazy. But you guys live and breathe that

>>41454338
You have to go slow and ask pointed questions; people have to figure the basics out for themselves. Schizo dumping on friends and family just doesnt work in my experience.

What kind of knowledge causes insanity? Like give me examples.

>The ultimate truth of understanding does not lead to despair, but to liberation.
Liberation and despair are not opposites, but parts of the same process unfolding within an individual who exists in what we call our world. The individual is ontologically one with the world. What is ultimate truth if not just another perspective? The linear assumption that understanding leads to liberation is itself a fallacy. You can always dive deeper.

>>41452674 (OP)
>>41452768
Psychologically speaking, I've been crawling through the never-ending WW1 trenches. I never stop, even if it physically makes my body tear apart. The dirt is my meal. I live in the dirt. There is little of "me" left. All I know, is to keep marching.

>>41454949
I'm going to remember those words the rest of my days, what a poignant way to put it. I've never told anyone that and I can't think of anything else anyone has ever said that I'll never forget like that.

Maybe this will cheer you up. We're going to wind up playing nice with the aliens in the astral, even if we're fighting a lot now, not because they'll stop their bullshit...we'll stop their bullshit...but because equanimity, forgiveness on this matter, is the will of the Almighty. If the roles were reversed and we were the aliens we'd act just like them. Our position is so superior in the astral we can afford mercy, later...for now though, more spiritual warfare is called for. They haven't lost yet.