Thread 41455313

im stuck on the part of spiritual development where i hate existence and everything, what do i do at this stage to advance on .

You exist and are part of the giant something called "everything".
Do you hate yourself?
I assume not but if you do, you shouldn't, it brings no benefit.

>>41455313 (OP)
realize you cant hate what you comprehend.

>>41455322
no, just everything else
>>41455323
i dont comprehend much

>>41455327
>i dont comprehend much
that was apparent in your initial statement. do you collect gifs of celebrates getting cream pied?

>>41455332
Uh, no i do not , in fact , i dont even know what comprehension is, but i sure do hate a lot

>>41455313 (OP)

Find a single thing you could love about existence. Can be small, can even be silly. Proceed from there.

>>41455338
to comprehend is to contain within a predictive simulation of the situation external you seek to ratify. your hatred is the product of a low fidelity simulation that fails to predict anything of relevance.

>>41455346
alright, well i meditate on things like my tulpa friend, and food and stuff but i get overwhelmed by all the negatives even the good in intertwined with , like , food takes money, money is hard to get, thats bad, so then i wonder, do i even like food, when it takes money? idk

>>41455358
care to elaborate

>>41455370
my answer was excessively conclusive and your question vague to the point of meaninglessness.

>>41455379
ok then please explain what is a "low fidelity" or "high fidelity" simulation, how does one have more accurate predictive abilities , ect

>>41455388
the fidelity of any particular simulation would be parsed in the accuracy of its predictive outcomes, a high fi simulation being ones whos outcomes match realworld observations.
the entierity of your cognition is kinda like a pyramid, you stack ideas on ideas on ideas on ideas to uplift the currents yous overall comprehension of any and every thing. like you had to learn to see and speak before you could learn to read and write before you could learn to type and navigate the internet in order to have this conversation. if you were to assess any particular moment of cognition you would find it it as a capstone with every broader layers of supporting conceptual bricks below

the i hate everything mentality is a wonderful tell for a dude whos spent his life building his pyramid of cognition with bricks of bullshit, you should probably take a long hard look at yourself and unlearn most of the shit you think you know presently.

>>41455313 (OP)
>>41455313 (OP)
You could start trying to forgive, even if you dont think youre holding grudges, you might surprise yourself how much its holding you down.

>>41455414
i fucked it

>>41455358
>>41455370

I think what he's saying is that once you truly 'understand' (comprehend) you will eventually reach a point where you cease hating (because hating is a result of being angry for a prolonged period of time which derives from being in a state of confusion at why a result manifested itself).

Am I on target?

"Anger is sadness that had nowhere to go for a very long time", and sadness (which is an opposite polarity equal of hate) is the result of a prolonged confusion at why a state of existence exists in the way that it does.

>>41455414
>the shit you think you know presently
well alright but which beliefs in particular, ethics, metaphysics? what questions in particular.

>>41455416
i mean i suppose
>>41455420
but... existence DOES suck though, am i wrong? it has a lot of hurt going on .

>>41455421
>pls internet senpai tell me the truth of reality
your a nigger harry
ps this one seems more like child abuse and the chick is so getting off on it, and its not even a fucking pie but i actually only had 2 cream pies to the face gifs in my collection im onto the googles now

The blood pours like rain from a face shorn. Make it stop. It hurts

>>41455434
well what do you want , you are the one claiming to know the answers. i dont think i have any firm beleifs, my opinion is just life sucks , idk

>>41455444
i wanted to answer ops question - why do i hate everything - because you comprehend nothing; well posting ironically celebrated cream pies

>>41455420
naa its simpler
>because hating is a result of being angry for a prolonged period of time which derives from being in a state of confusion at why a result manifested itself
hate is the result of being hurt for a long time - after thats its basic naruto lore bro

>>41455456
but wait, if its because i dont comprehend, then it CANT be due my fundamental beliefs, that is a contradiction. is it due to my lack of comprehension, which i admit, or my beliefs, which i dont claim to firmly hold .

>>41455471
>then it CANT be due my fundamental beliefs
no such thing.
>that is a contradiction.
spare me the try hard routine nigger you threw this character of straw on to the table not me.

>>41455480
what ? now you are just not making sense at all

>>41455518
>now you are just not making sense at all
too you. because you dont make sense
>my beliefs, which i dont claim to firmly hold
>my fundamental beliefs
this is an example of a contradiction, what you claimed is - is not, because ive never mentioned fundamental beliefs and they dont exist.

>>41455363

Oh, jumping straight for the conditionals attached, good! Now these on average are obviously bullshit. But why is that? And are they necessary? And what are you even doing about it?

>>41455530
>this is an example of a contradiction, what you claimed is
it 100% isnt to me at all whatsoever, i dont hold my most foundational beliefs firmly, there you go. I presumed you meant fundamental beleifs from your post here
>>41455414

>>41455553
what do you mean

>>41455559
> now you are just not making sense at all
> I presumed
resolved

>>41455584
ok, so what do you mean then by "pyramid of cognition" if not foundational beliefs bro, you are being semi vague here man

idk maybe tell yourself you don't hate life that much. I've had a pretty bad life like i'm not even saying i'm gonna overcome it, it's like jesus levels of bullshit and when other people act like i haven't gone through anything at all it's really fucked but I still try to actually act like I'm handling it bc I have to bc I have to go to my job bc I am still behind the eightball like I still need this next paycheque

>>41455596
but that would be lying, i try not to lie if possible .

>>41455456
Seeking comprehension is fine but thats not a path to peace and acceptance.
Seeking knowledge is a means of control. You seek to bend the world to your intellect. To figure out the shortcuts, weaknesses and the right path you need to follow.
This doesnt lead to peace. Have you noticed that the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know? Its because you in search of love and peace are pursuing control and dominance.
I think the only path to love is forgiveness and actually loving. As a man, seek service to others. When someone you choose to love asks for something, you do it. Or help them achieve their goal without hurting yourself too much.
Only in service to god can you find that light youre looking for. We are all made in his image, so love others and through service to others can you love god and yourself.

>>41455601
>well alright but which beliefs in particular, ethics, metaphysics?
heres one, truth is an asymptotic spectrum (hence simulacrum fidelity) not a binary dichotomy.

>>41455605
i mean, but what about the general feeling of distain i tend to feel for life in general, and others, how do manage it

>>41455606
i mean i considered this notion before, i kind of agree with it somewhat

>>41455614
what this means here and now to you of relevance
>i try not to lie if possible
is that no story you tell yourself is true, heres another secret you can change how you feel about anything just by changing the story you tell yourself about it.
>>41455605
nice triggered assumptions

>>41455623
i guess but in technical terms, my "story modification" powers have lately been writing crumby stories i guess but its hard to change it up right now. I know that whatever view of reality i have is always just my creation, but im still struggling to "beleive" in one that isnt , well, sad. It just feels "unrealistic" but i know that, as i said, my worldview is my creation, i dont know "reality" , its strange .

>>41455627
hence my suggestion in the pyramid metaphor
>you should probably take a long hard look at yourself and unlearn most of the shit you think you know presently.
you went onto assume this meant
>beliefs in particular, ethics, metaphysics?
but your initial statement focused on hatred, this is none of those things its a feeling - that results from the stories you tell yourself, start unmaking those before you tell yourself new ones.

>>41455612
Thats you being unhappy with your life. There is plenty of beauty, wonder and value in life. What you are feeling is distain because you feel these are denied to you.
Youre feeling that the world is unfair.
The only way through is listening to these emotions and figuring out what makes them go away, is those follow your noth star (your values, god for short) pursue them. You know what os good and evil. Follow good and create the life you find beautiful. We all have this power.

>>41455639
so, i have this story that
>i showed up, dont know how i got here really
>am in a confusing scary place , the people are all just like me but in different forns, they ARE me
>and they are all little me's in different forms running around, and the world itself, seemingly due to chance, is semi hostile and very indifferent
>so all of life seems like a struggle that may one day pay off maybe but for now is a painful game of a bunch of different me versions running around, eating and raping each other,
>I am one me instance , and get hurt in various ways while my best efforts only in micro amounts help the world by and large
i guess its good to write it out, if nothing else

>>41455649
>What you are feeling is distain because you feel these are denied to you.
That is the strange part anon. You are right that most people have this complaint, but why do i feel disgusted when i have good things, but concider the others that dont, or own times i didnt, and future moments i will lack it, i do not know

>>41455656
Ask yourself what it is you are doing with your gifts or wealth. Why doesnt it resonate with you? Did someone teach you to feel that you need to keep proving yourself?
You dont. You are redeemed and loved regardless. Follow what you feel is right and good and proper. Use your means to do this.
Follow your north star and you will know if what you are doing is right. You will know.

>>41455563

Your problem is not that you fail to consider nice things, problem is you fail to consider why we cannot have them. Some of these are due to physical limitations, yet other reasons sure have names and addresses... :)