I want to learn something that would actually teach me how to use a weapon, near me they have fencing, eskrima and kendo. Of these three which one would have the most real life applicability?

>>200580 (OP)
>Armed martial arts that would actually be effective in real life?
The gun.

>>200581
Wow so funny and original brother.

>>200580 (OP)
Learn kendo and then read the book of five rings, do the katas and learn niten ichi ryu by yourself after you have that base of kendo. Get a friend at kendo practice to do it with you and practice together.

>>200582
It’s not funny it’s reality. The era of the sword is over. People practice sword based martial arts for recreation, not modern combat. That would be retarded.

>>200580 (OP)
I guess escrima since it's something you could reasonably carry with you. If you just want to fight people with melee weapons try HEMA shit maby. It looks fun. Kendo/iado for samurai larping.

>>200585
I'm aware, everyone is aware, yes, I do intend to practice recreationally, but I want to practice something that could be used in a real fight effectively because it feels good to be physically capable of violence.
Your comment is neither helpful nor original, you are just saying irrelevant shit that doesn't answer the question because you want to feel smart.

>>200589
No HEMA place nearby unfortunately. I would go for that if I could.

>>200590
When you say “useful in real life” the implication is that you intend to use it for self defense or something, which again is retarded. Not my fault you don’t know how to communicate.

>>200591
>>200589
I don't neccesarily mean that it has to be something useful for modern self defense, but something that is an actual martial art thst would have been used on a battlefield, so if kendo actually taught you how to win a real sword fight that would be good, as dmfar as I know it's just point scoring like fencing tho.

>>200592
I wrote effective in real life.

>>200593
It's origins are pretty far removed from historical Japanese sword play. Didn't really come to be until after WW2 and it was created as a sport and not a martial art. But it would still probably let you beat some random guy in a sword fight, not that it will ever happen.

As autistic as hema fags are they have the right idea analyzing old manuscripts.

>>200594
Which implies the same thing. Learn how to communicate. Also do whatever you want. Everything you suggested was “effective” for learning how to use their weapons.

>>200596
Modern kendo has a more restrictive ruleset but kendo absolutely was trained prior to and during wwii as a military exercise to train aggression and learn to strike with the sword. They even had similar rulesets for “tan-kendo” which is kendo with the tanto dagger or “jukendo” which is kendo with the bayonet.

>>200590
>>200594
In real life, you will not be carrying a sword when you get attacked. Therefore, using a sword is not effective in real life unless you intend to instigate an attack with one, in which case merely swinging the sword will probably win you the fight.

>>200580 (OP)
Fencing can be used with most types of blades, so unlike kendo that requires a sword and eskrima which is unrealistic in general, Fencing will give you an advantage with any type of knife.

Fencing works because it is mostly fast and simple footwork that is uniformly taught and well tested (both in sport and history). Eskrima is whatever your teacher thinks it is and it has no proven track record.

>>200659
What would work best in real life? Sabre?

>>200599
They found out as soon as 1925 that Kendo wasn't practical sword fighting, though it does instill a strong fighting spirit. This fighting spirit is completely lost in the wind if you are doing inefficient movement though. And this was pre-war kendo...
Kendo alone is absolutely not enough.

>>200717
Read it again retard, I didn't suggest he do kendo. So sick of these fucking morons who have no reading comprehension.

>>200665
Of the fencing disciplines epee is most realistic
>>200717
Not enough for what, exactly?
>>200723
Why are you pretending you wrote my post?

>>200581
>>200585
>>200592
>>200597
>>200632
You're a fucking faggot & wrong. Many parts of the world still depend on the use of blades for defense, and not just third world shit holes. Just because you don't take advantage of it doesn't mean it isn't effective. Many first world areas still let you use large blades & I guarantee simply open carrying a large knife will have the same effect as open carrying a gun, people leave you the fuck alone. Except even better, open carrying a knife where it's permitted is less likely to get the police on you than open carrying a gun. Even in commiefornia you're allowed to open carry a machete. Ain't no one besides crazy retards gonna start shit with 1 of those strapped to you. I walk around with my open carry knife because in this age of pussies people leave you alone just for the sight of it.

>>200745
But if you're gonna brandish it, you better know how to use it, because of aforementioned crazy retards.
>>200580 (OP)
Eskrima is some real shit, go with that. The Philippines still actively use this stuff. Civil defense & police there carry blades & still use them in fights so eskrima is still under development & very practical. Plus, a lot of eskrima techniques can still be applied unarmed too, thats part of the genius of the style. Remove the blade and basically changes it intona lot of grappling & joint manipulation.

>>200745
What knife martial arts do you train? If you don't train in anything, then the knife isn't going to do jack shit if you actually have to use it.

>Even in commiefornia you're allowed to open carry a machete
And you can still buy guns in California, so there's no reason not to buy one unless you're a felon and can't buy one.

>>200746
Wasn't Kali Escrima used in the DUNE movies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOYe-HpDp_E

>>200774
Eskrima. Cali is full of karens & soibois that will call 5-0 on you if you open carry a gun. Half of a weapons value is as a deterrent which it can't be if it can't be seen. Plus getting an open carry in california is fucking bitch. Shut the fuck up, take your faggy no logic defeatist arguments & eat a dick.

>>200774
>>200819
Also do you have any idea how fucking expensive guns & ammo in cali costs? Having a gun & being proficient with it doesn't negate the value of a blade & it's way fucking cheaper to.maintain and practice with.

>>200821
Can't you open carry swords in California though? That's what I'd do

>>200822
Depends on your area. Under state law though there is no length limit on the size of fixed blade you can open carry. I live in an unincorporated part of my county & the county has no laws regarding it..so yes. If I wanted I could go full blown autismo & carry a sword.

>>200819
>trains in escrima
>can't spell it
ok retard

>Cali is full of karens & soibois that will call 5-0 on you if you open carry a gun
They'd call the cops on you if you were open carrying a bowie too.

>Half of a weapons value is as a deterrent which it can't be if it can't be seen
You're just opening yourself to get harassed and making it easier to disarm you. CC is superior even if you can legally OC.

>>200821
>Having a gun & being proficient with it doesn't negate the value of a blade
I agree. Now post your gun.

>do you have any idea how fucking expensive guns & ammo in cali costs?
So you're a felon AND poor?

>>200582
Kys.

>>200821
Not my fault that you are useless to society.
Remember: supply and demand.
You are poor because you are a worthless piece of shit.
>>200819
Okay.

>>200827
>>200831
>being this huge of a faggot
Fuck off to /k/ or neck yourself.

>>200827
>CC is superior
Which is practically impossible in a liberal state you faggot fucking retard. Go to /k/ bitch.

>>200827
>Now post your gun
Never said I had one queerbait. Post your needle dick compensation. Bet you don't even have one & your just a faggot larping troll.

>>200826
Sounds great
Should bring back carrying swords, everyone would be way more chill when there's a realistic possibility of a sword fight for acting foolish

>>200838
CC is legal in the majority of the state.

Even then

>complying

>>200839
Poor felon confirmed.

>>200830
They feared him so bad they had to take him out before he mastered the blade.

>>200839
>Needle dick
Sorry hon'. It's been debooooonked.
You are just a troll spreading misinformation and calling names.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8447103/

>>200837
>Useful martial arts?
>Master the arts of guns anon
>WTF NO I CANNOT AFFORD THAT YOU ARE A TROLL FROM /K/
What's your angle here?
You wanted an answer, you got one. A practical one too.
If you really wanted to practice martial art, you wouldn't be here seeking approval from others.

>>200580 (OP)
What do you plan to carry in public, a literal sharpened rapier? A wooden katana, Gin-san? A shilleighlah, McGinn? A knoife? Based on your choice, I think you'll have a good idea of which discipline to pursue.

>>200856
A Goedendag. I'll paint it purple and gold and tell people it's just my pimp walking stick, call it my Hoedendawg.

Learn to use a Messer. Then you'll know basic take-down grapples and can fight with anything from a machete to a lead pipe.

>>200866
I don't have any HEMA clubs near me.

>>200852
>posts study refuting dick compensation by gun owners instead of posting gun
LMAO guaranteed needle dick

>>200854
Go to /k/ faggot.

>>200866
>>200746
>use a Messer. Then you'll know basic take-down grapples
>Remove the blade and basically changes it intona lot of grappling & joint manipulation.
This is number 1 bullshit. The moves might be similar mechanically with or without a weapon, but it doesn't mean you know grappling. The only way to be good at grappling under stress is to train and spar grappling exclusively. The majority of people in any weapons focused art neglect grappling and only do 1 or 2 grappling lessons compared to the exponentially greater amount of time they spend hitting each other with training weapons.

>>200941
>No argument
Glad to hear that you begrudgingly agree.

>>200957
>No argument
Glad you agree you're a faggot.

Depends on if you're willing to carry a sword around like an autistic maniac

>>200957
The argument is that the discussion is limited to the three options initially presented you impenetrably autistic redditor

>>200774
>If you don't train in anything, then the knife isn't going to do jack shit if you actually have to use it.
yeah im sure all those black teens stabbing people to death are up all night practicing their knifework

>>200983
>three options
All of which involves carrying around conspicuous large sticks, thus useless "in real life", even more so against gun shooting thugs and robbers, which America has no short supply of.
Op does not know any better and I offered a guidance off his autistic set of "options".

>>200985
Assault =/= self defense.

A black teen can suckerpunch somebody from behind and knock them out. Guess boxing is fake news by your logic.

>>200580 (OP)
Lift and become the weapon yourself.
90% of fights can be ended quickly by picking someone up and slamming them face first into concrete, bonus points if you learn to wrestle, it’s so effective that you might even end up killing them.
No chance o defense from someone that wants to shank you or shoot you in the first place apart from maybe running, so you might as well go unarmed.
If you really need a weapon learn to use a baton so do kali.

>>200581
FPBP. HEMA, eskrima and kendo fags seethe at the realization that their art is no better than Taolu choreographies or Olympic Fencing.

>>201038
>t. Faggot who doesn't even own a gun
If it works for criminals assaulting unarmed people, i can work for people being assaulted by unarmed criminals.

>>200581
so the bayonet?

what about a little buckler self defence shield?

>>200580 (OP)
kali / silat

/thread

>>201038
If you’re American you can own guns and do HEMA or any other martial art for that matter. They’re not mutually exclusive.

Eskrima does the most with knives out of your options, and that's what you really want to learn. Because that's the only weapon you can carry around, no one carries swords around regularly. Thus might as well get good at what you can actually use

>>201135
Why not just learn boxing or kickboxing and carry around a knuckleduster?

>>201155
Those are illegal pretty much everywhere. Just using that for self defense will get you a felony assault + carrying a concealed weapon charges.

>>201173
Well that's fucking stupid.

>>201183
>>201173
>>201155
Learn to box and get a bunch of big gold rings.

>>201183
Agreed considering picrel is legal.

It's hilarious how many people think cops just spawn as soon as you do something to accrue stars.

>>200659
Escrima is one of the most solid martial arts in history, it has been battle tested for centuries small Asian guys chopping each other up in the jungle with machetes and is effective to competition in hema and kendo just as it was when Phillipines warriors fought conquistadors and japanese ww2 troops in the past. Only flack you can give is the dirty boxing and bare hands techniques, but when it escrima is trained seriously like with actual sparring and realistic drilling, its brutality and effectiveness rivals muay thai. Up until a few decades ago, It was common to come across masters experienced in several machete/bolo street fights and have a few kills under his belt.

This isn't like kung fu either, you either knew how to defend and kill with a machete/bolo or you died.

>>201465
>battle tested
>gets colonized by Spanish
>gets colonized by US
>gets colonized by Japan

>>201467
You're retarded & know jack shit.
>Spain
Held them off with violent as fuck revolutions until the U.S. had enough of Spains douche-baggery and stepped in. Philippines did a good job too considering the technological disadvantage.
>U.S.
Spain CEDED colonial control to the U.S. which at the time the Philippines were welcoming of
>Japan
The U.S. largely left the Philippines alone and for the most part only held them.in name so people would fuck off. They briefly stepped back in during WW2 but the Philippines held shit down so well on their own during WW2 that the U.S. was all like, "fuck it, they got this." And gave them independence.

Eskrima because extending batons are a thing. I've heard police train in it as well to be more effective with their batons.

>>201494
To add to this: it would probably be much easier to defend in court temporarily crippling someone by beating the fuck outta their legs, than stabbing/slashing someone.

>>201487
I didn't know flips had their own fiction writers, if you keep it up you might be able to make it into an industry like manga or manua or wuxia some day.

>>201518
Nice no argument cope there retard. Shit was paraphrased straight from historical sources. Wanna try forming an intelligent rebuttal or you just gonna keep being a little bitch?
>gay
Lol

>>201487
>Held them off
Yeah bro, the 400 year history of the Philippines known as the Spanish Colonial Period TOTALLY was a sign that the Philippines held them off.

>until the U.S. had enough of Spains douche-baggery and stepped in
Rumao the Flips needed big daddy USA to step in and you call this a win?

>U.S. which at the time the Philippines were welcoming of
What is the Philippine–American War?

>The U.S. largely left the Philippines alone and for the most part only held them.in name so people would fuck off.
What is the Moro Rebellion?

>Philippines held shit down so well on their own during WW2
Japan had taken over the whole country, hence why the Bataan Death March was a thing.

>They briefly stepped back in during WW2
>Briefly
The 1944–1945 campaign was the largest American campaign in the Pacific Theater.

>the U.S. was all like, "fuck it, they got this." And gave them independence.
The US had already passed the Tydings–McDuffie Act before the war even began to transition the Philippines to their own country.

>>201818
>straight from historical sources
seething pinoy detected

>>200580 (OP)
Try all of them. Stay where they do sparring.
I've been learning Modern Arnis for almost a year by now. We practice 3 times a week. I think that the different weapons and weapon combinations would make it very viable and I think it applies to other Filipino Martial Arts as well. But unfortunately we don't do any sparring so i feel like it's completely useless this way. The people i've asked out for a light spar turned me down too so I sadly feel like i will quit it soon.

>>200580 (OP)
Martial arts are a hobby for men who wish they were barbarians. Learning to use a weapon will never have any relevance in real life, and if you ever get into a hostile situation, the best thing to do will always be to run away as fast as you can. Enjoy your hobby as a fun pastime, and don't start thinking that it will ever be practical.

>>202016
>be out in the park with wife and kids
>homeless junkie sticks a razor in your face and demands cash
>clearly the best option here is about face and sprint away leaving your family to deal with this problem instead
I hate you “just run away bro” faggots so much it’s unreal.

>>202017
I have never seen a junkie in my life. I don't consider them a realistic day-to-day risk any more so than I consider having to fend off a rabid wolf as a compelling reason to carry weapons. If you would choose to raise your children in an area full of dangerous vermin then clearly any discussion about sensible courses of action is going to go right over your head.

>>202016
I do archery, I tried a wolveriene shaped 3d target and I nailed that bitch right through the neck on the first try from 15m with a trad horsebow. It gave me such a rush, violence is awesome dude.

>>202016
Unless you join the military. There is still a place for stuff like this. Specifically in SERE. You get taught some basic military kobudo using improvised weaponry and most of it is stick/knife fighting.

>>202036
The military is just that day in school when the stern teacher makes the class carry some heavy shit but stretched out for years only occasionally broken up by target practice and homoerotic social situations.

>>202036
But when you get out of the army, it all becomes as unnecessary as your training on how to drive a tank. If I learned about deep-sea diving as part of my job as an undersea welder, it would also be completely unnecessary knowledge if I switched careers to investment banking.

>>202038
Touchgrass faggot.
>>202051
What's your fucking point? Did you know that a lot, most of eskrima techniques in fact, can be performed unarmed & it just changes to standing grappling?
>Why /xs/ sucks
Cause nevative fucking Nancy's do nothing but look for ways to tear shit down rather than find what works about it.

what you people are not considering is that in the year 2040 vrmmos will be a more common way of meeting people than anywhere else, and many of them will be fantasy themed. batons with tracking on them will be fun to be good with in the virtual world too. and then vr/ar sports will be taking off, and all these larp communities across the globe will consolidate into digital worlds or AR assisted worlds and even your most obscure interests will have some sort of relevance for fun and profit.

who cares. are any of us going to be getting into life or death scenarios where our autistic training will then suddenly pay off, probably not. and if you are truly afraid of others gun is gonna be good. fist fighting is fun. learning how to wack people with a stick really effectively is fun. gun is also fun. it would feel better to get good with something where you could pretend it has real relevance. but really nothing has real relevance, so the world is your oyster. okay gun has real relevance.

DONT @ ME!!!!!

>>200830
>not thelastsamurai.webm
Im disapointed.

>>200580 (OP)
If you want a weapon. pocket Knife or hammer (if you got construction pants and actually do manual labor) for plausible deniability while still being threatening if in the situation.

Besides gun ofc.

Shame that canes went out of style.

>>204576
What you're not taking into consideration is that soon pharmacutials and bionics as well as purely biological upgrades will be revolutionised in the next 20 years, we will all be baki characters unironically so unarmed as well as armed martial arts will be making a massive comeback because enhanced human abilities will quickly outstrip the effectiveness of modern firearms.

>>200580 (OP)

>Fencing
But only if you do HEMA. HEMA covers shit from pugilism, wrestling, knife fighting, and various weapons. With its strong sparring culture it should be the go to for any weapons martial artist.

Street fighting? Abrazare and Ringen. Knife fighting? Just learn sabre and apply that to knife (some french officer said this), you could even do Fairbairn knife fighting (ww2 knife fighting) if you can be bothered to learn how to read. For general weapons such as sticks, machetes, bats, etc, just do german stuff, it gives you such an effective system thats super easy to learn. With the strong sparring culture that HEMA provides youll be able to actually put the shit you learn into practice and learn how to cope in a fighting context.

The only downside to HEMA is its mostly focused on the sword parts and thats where all the competition is. However, if you can read you can easily self teach any of the euro fighting styles because euros tried their best to make all their shit easily teachable. Another downside itll blackpill you on how bad other weapons martial arts really are.

>Kendo
Kendo is fucking useless, it doesnt even do proper katana fighting. Plus youd have to deal with the retards that is the kendo community. Kendo encompasses all the worst aspects of Japanese martial arts.

>Eskrima
Eskrima is a complicated case, if you get an old teacher then you wont really learn shit, but if you get a young guy who has adopted modern sparring methods (from HEMA) then youll actually use something fairly useful. There is useful stuff there, especially the training methods for helping you quicken your reflexes and mind during a fight, but half the techniques are garbage flashy shit. But youll have a hard time finding a good eskrima school, it suffers from all the worst pitfalls of japanese martial arts.

>>204650

I mean that Eskrima suffers from the same pitfalls as Japaense martial arts.

>>200593
> but something that is an actual martial art thst would have been used on a battlefield

Then your best bet is teaching yourself HEMA. Its the only surviving martial art that was actually used in warfare.

>>204651
>Then your best bet is teaching yourself HEMA. Its the only surviving martial art that was actually used in warfare.
HEMA is not the only surviving art that was actually used in warfare. That isn't even close to being true.
> has adopted modern sparring methods (from HEMA
I am pretty sure Eskrima has been doing sparring for longer than HEMA has been a thing.

>>204640
sounds good. ill just have to do everything then, punchy, kicky, and stabby

>>200580 (OP)
You can carry a stick (cane) through TSA on to a plane. A stick beats a knife since two armed opponents (not a gun) attacking the hand with the weapon is correct and a long stick beats the knife. Movements in FMA transfer over to a knife as well.

Pillow fighting. You can spar without any damage and picking up and throwing pillows/hitting each other with them seems to translate well into picking up say a chair.

>>200589
Full armor grappling with staffs as weapons would be kino and would teach a lot about leverage and combat.

>>204650
>HEMA covers shit from pugilism, wrestling
>Street fighting? Abrazare and Ringen
You would be much better off doing regular unarmed martial arts like boxing, wrestling, muay thai, judo, etc.

>>204651
>Its the only surviving martial art that was actually used in warfare.
HEMA by definition is not surviving. The whole reason why there's so much interpretation of the sources and experimental archaeology is because it wasn't preserved and there are no living traditions.

>>204814
It's with buckler and a sword not a staff, but buhurt is close to what you're talking about, also probably the answer to OPs question

>>200580 (OP)
Escrima will teach you how to fight with knives and machetes,

>>200580 (OP)
>hema
>a gun
>archery
>bohurt
>sca
there ya go
i rolled with some bohurt guys for a few months and at one point they met me fight with armor on.
Getting punched with a buckler while wearing like 50+lbs of armor sucks and hurts

>>204833
cost of entry to bohurt is high as fuck too.

>>206114
Yeah, getting a custom fitted suit of armor made can't be cheap.

>>200580 (OP)
>>200583
>>200717
kendofag for 10 years, kendo is NOT good for learning how to realistically use a sword. Kendo is all about the "ideal" cut, that's why its a martial art and judged. Points are awarded by what is considered a considered a decisive blow to four target areas, and they ignore touches/taps/strikes that are sloppy. Real fighting doesn't carry about how pretty things look, only what is effective.

That being said, it's great to pick up to learn the proper mindset for training, learning body coordination, etc. I was better off learning practical skills (like rifle/pistol marksmanship and drills that involved shooting while moving) because I already put in the work on learning how to learn + being in shape.

>>204672
>HEMA is not the only surviving art that was actually used in warfare. That isn't even close to being true.
>what is MOF's lineage

>I am pretty sure Eskrima has been doing sparring for longer than HEMA has been a thing.
Their "sparring" is just drills done really fast. Its like calling bag drills in boxing "sparring"

>>204828
>You would be much better off doing regular unarmed martial arts like boxing, wrestling, muay thai, judo, etc.

Abrazare is just Judo except not watered down for sport, and still retains a lot of the "lethal" components. Ringen is what modern Wrestling is based off of. Boxing is based on old school Pugilism. Muay Thai is just Savate except good.

>HEMA by definition is not surviving. The whole reason why there's so much interpretation of the sources and experimental archaeology is because it wasn't preserved and there are no living traditions.

Almost every martial art that exists now is less than 150 years old. Even "long lineage" martial arts like Kendo were made in the 1920s but claim a long lineage because theyre loosely similar. The longest living western traditions are wrestling, boxing, and fencing. HEMA is just dialing back fencing a couple of centuries because in the end its basically the same because MOF was built off older styles. The old fencing dudes did an excellent job preserving their traditions in books unlike eastern shit where its just century long games of telephone and a lot of dudes making shit up and claiming "muh Okinawan lineage".

Saying "muh lineage" is just weeaboo cope because they dont know kendo was made as a sport for high schools and most if not all eastern martial arts are modern inventions based off western shit.

>>210307
>Their "sparring" is just drills done really fast. Its like calling bag drills in boxing "sparring"
I am 100% sure their are tournaments and match ups, with multiple levels of protection.
>Abrazare is just Judo except not watered down for sport, and still retains a lot of the "lethal" components.
Which of course can't be used in comp, specifically because they are lethal. Actually judo has alot of stuff you can't use in comp too, they just don't train it for comp.
> Even "long lineage" martial arts like Kendo were made in the 1920s but claim a long lineage because theyre loosely similar. That Kendo was formalized, not invented, in the early 1900's is pretty widely known.
>. HEMA is just dialing back fencing a couple of centuries because in the end its basically the same because MOF was built off older styles.
This doesn't seem to hold water. Lots of HEMA guys on line dismiss MOF, and a lot of MOF guys don't seem to see HEMA as an extension of what they do.
>The old fencing dudes did an excellent job preserving their traditions in books unlike eastern
Did they? Seems to me like a lot of work and interpretation went into reviving those traditions. And what makes you think Easterners never wrote anything down? This isn't true at all.
> and most if not all eastern martial arts are modern inventions based off western shit.
Where are you getting this, what arts are you thinking of?

>>210401
>I am 100% sure their are tournaments and match ups, with multiple levels of protection

Not really no, theres been so many failed attempts at getting FMA sportified but they cant decide on a ruleset or even get protective gear right. Its really only a problem with older generations, younger generations just use HEMA rulesets in competitive FMA fighting.

>because they are lethal.

This is said about literally anything in japanese martial arts, especially in sword stuff, but it later turns out the japanese are just retarded. Like how Japanese swordsmanship has very little sparring outside of kendo and they only use shinai because "its LITERALLY impossible to spar with steel", which is probably why theyre so salty over HEMA.

>Lots of HEMA guys on line dismiss MOF, and a lot of MOF guys don't seem to see HEMA as an extension of what they do.

Said like someone whos never done either. Theres so much crossover to the point that longsword meta in Australia because "two handed epee" with lots of MOF people entering HEMA tournaments. and HEMAists doing MOF.

>>210401

>Where are you getting this, what arts are you thinking of?

Kendo's origins, especially during imperial Japan era. The Kendo Kyohan book which is what jukendo and modern kendo is pretty much based on is written like a shitty version of french stuff (makes sense since Japan obsesses over france even back then). Mind you Kendo was invented as a high school sport. The other Japanese stuff feels like they shouldve been merged together and all the useless shit cut out. Its why a first year HEMAist can dominate even high tier kendoka.

Chinese martial arts died during the Great Leap Forward to the point the surviving arts now are just reconstructions, the more "practical" ones being shitty bootleg versions of western stuff.

FMA is a weird case, i cant tell if it was the Filipino answer to destreza rapier when the spanish colonized them, or they copied american GIs during WW2. The double stick stuff has something there but i feel its mostly useless, the single stick stuff is basically german messer fighting.

>>210411
>This is said about literally anything in japanese martial arts,
Seem to have completely missed my point. You argued Amasare retains the lethal stuff, I just pointed out that you can't do that lethal stuff in comp because it's lethal. Of course you can turn the stuff in comp into lethal moves in certain circumstances, that's true for Judo too.
> which is probably why theyre so salty over HEMA.
You might be surprised to hear that HEMA is not actually well known by people who don't do it or don't hang around these, types of forums. Frankly you seem a little salty about anything that isn't HEMA, whether it competes or not. I believe you mentioned that the Kendo club where you trained was antagonistic, but have you considered they are not representative.
>Theres so much crossover to the point that longsword meta in Australia because "two handed epee" with lots of MOF people entering HEMA tournaments. and HEMAists doing MOF.
OK, but there are still alot of people on both sides who dismiss the other, not hard to find that online. And that is the meta, I.E. modern competitions presumably with people who have done both. Not necessarily the historical part of it.

>>210412
>. The Kendo Kyohan book which is what jukendo and modern kendo is pretty much based on
Which Kendo Kyohan? that basically means "Kendo Manual" and there were a lot of them, over a long time, by different writers. If you are talking about jukendo I assume you mean the "Kenjutsu Kyohan," Again, of which there are many. They were army training manuals, and certainly is not what modern Kendo is based on. Much of Kendo is laid out in older works going back to the Edo period.
> Mind you Kendo was invented as a high school sport.
No, introducing it to schools was a big drive in its standardization but it was not invented for that, and introducing it to schools was a very gradual process.
> Its why a first year HEMAist can dominate even high tier kendoka.
I feel we have gone over this before, but I have never seeen a single case of this, if my High tier we are talking people who compete at the international level, which is still generally below the level of those who compete at the top in Japan. Unless you have a vid of a first year Hemaist going against a Japanese police Kendo instructor. Most clubs in the US and Europe are very much hobbyists. The top tier people are essentially pro athletes and coaches.
>Chinese martial arts died during the Great Leap Forward to the point the surviving arts now are just reconstructions
I am certain this is wrong. For one thing, there were Chinese martial artists living outside mainland China during the Great Leap Forward.
>The double stick stuff has something there but i feel its mostly useless,
Do you have any basis for this besides feelings, or have you actually done it to any extent?

>>210431
>You argued Amasare retains the lethal stuff,
Abrazare, not whatever japanese word that is.

>You might be surprised to hear that HEMA is not actually well known by people
Depends where you live, i get normies who know what HEMA or Bohurt is but dont know what kendo is. Kendo aint that popular anymore outside of Japan and Brasil.

>>210431
>OK, but there are still alot of people on both sides who dismiss the other
Its mostly a meme at this point. The only time you REALLY see the rivalry is if you do classical fencing (not HEMA) and MOF. HEMAists and classical fencers respect the pedagogy of MOF but dont agree on its ruleset.

>>210433
>Which Kendo Kyohan?
The one that has jukendo, japanese sabre, and kendo in it. Mine is from 1909, around the time Kendo was created.

>"No, introducing it to schools was a big drive in its standardization but it was not invented for that, and introducing it to schools was a very gradual process."
It never really existed before that though, it being a sport for teenagers is probably why it got known in the first place.

>>210433
>"but I have never seeen a single case of this,"
The Phil Swift videos are famous examples of this, but kendoka are reluctant to spar outside of kendo because they dont want to be blacklisted by their community, and they dont have gear thats up to HEMA standards.

>"if my High tier we are talking people who compete at the international level, which is still generally below the level of those who compete at the top in Japan."
That just boils down to poor pedagogy which is surprisingly common in kendo.

>"Unless you have a vid of a first year Hemaist going against a Japanese police Kendo instructor."

Ah yes, the mythical "police kendo". I watched videos on that, its what kendo should be, at least then theyd hold ground outside of their own martial art.

>"Most clubs in the US and Europe are very much hobbyists.
This issue exists in japanese martial arts, but at least in HEMA you got a much MUCH higher rate of people doing comps.

>The top tier people are essentially pro athletes and coaches."

Well yeah, HEMA is overly competitive. The only downside is HEMA doesnt have Japan level insecurity in that the government funds them for a false sense of "cultural identity".

>>200854
Old guy keeps going for that janky scorpion kick/wheel kick hybrid, despite never landing it. Gotta respect his dedication to his gameplan, if nothing else.

>>200981
Not him. I absolutely am. The second my country legalises it (they won’t), the sex havers are gonna fear my katzbalger!

>>210459
Watch the disrespect buddy. Both fighters were showing solid Cai Li Fo fundamentals.

>>210451
>It never really existed before that though,
It did, and it was known before that. Kendo really started among the police and then moved into schools and the military.
>The one that has jukendo, japanese sabre, and kendo in it. Mine is from 1909,
Again, you are talking about the Kenjutsu Kyohan
>That just boils down to poor pedagogy
No, most pros in Japan begin as children and take a job that allows them to do Kendo nearly full time, like a police instructor. Very few people outside Japan have those advantages.
>h yes, the mythical "police kendo".
They compete in regular Kendo too. Police Kendo is just their in house rules with each other.
>This issue exists in japanese martial arts,
It exists in most martial arts, but there are lots of regional hobbyist friendly tournaments.
>The Phil Swift videos are famous examples of this,
Its been awhile so I took a look.I didnt count blows or anything but I did forms some opinions. Phil does better in the first video, but it was not one sided. It was about what I expected. In the second video It looked like the Kendo guy came out on top to me; He landed clean hits on the arms quite frequently. In any case, no dig at him, but the Kendo guy is not even high level for a hobbyist club at Ikkyu.
Over all, I think you can respect both of them, they both showed very good sportsmanship and some good skill for their levels.

>>210307
>Abrazare is just Judo except not watered down for sport, and still retains a lot of the "lethal" components.
Krav maga tier cope. Abrazare gets mogged by judo hobbyists in their own abrazare competitions.

>Ringen is what modern Wrestling is based off of
Freestyle wrestling is based off of catch wrestling and Greco-Roman was made by a Frenchman in the 19th century.

>>200581
^

>>210452
>Ah yes, the mythical "police kendo".
There isn't anything mythical about it, nor is there is much difference between police kendo and everyday kendo - the chief difference is they have their own championship.

The other anon is referring to the fact that Japanese police are required to train in either Judo or Kendo - and the ones that compete are essentially state-sponsored athletes. The politics and funding behind police championships is a whole other topic.

>b-b-but they're allowed foot sweeps! I saw a compilation video of all three instances of when it happened!
"Police Kendo" and "normal" kendo are 99.9% identical.

I studied various weapons from learning the Balisong knife openings as a child. To learning how to swing a baseball bat, to playing with nunchuks, and then taking foil fencing and formal training in Filipino Martial Arts.

>>200580 (OP)
The most common objects to be used as weapons are sticks and blades, so I believe Filipino Martial Arts are the most effective for begiinners. If you are military/law enforcement, there are Martial Artists who have learned to condense there training methods to meet the immediate needs of learning to deal with knives, large blades, and blunt heavy objects. Hema is great, but the path to learning those arts is long

>>201467
Not all of the Philippines were controlled by Spain, and in the places that were controlled Spain had to ban the martial arts practices and do anything to mitigate the use of weapons such as cut the tips off farming blades and make Filipino men wear shear clothing during formal events to ensure no concealed weapons were present.

Someone that teaches Kobudo, but real Kobudo. Since the original and real purpose of Kobudo was adapting the techniques daily day situations, for example, your like Hiking and get assaulted in the mountains you can pick a stick a used properly thanks to the techniques of Bō, Hambō or Tambō, you're in the kitchen and you only can reach the knife the skills with the Tambō or Sai also work, you're doing gardening the Kama.
But this being said is WITH THE HUGE disclaimer that you're sensei is actually doing the work properly.

>>200774
>And you can still buy guns in California
Don't they only issue like 200-400 carry licenses a year? Its hard for the people in that shithole to own a gun.

>>216898
Owning a gun is easy. Getting a concealed carry license is hard.

>>216899
Kinda hard to defend yourself when they heavily restrict concealed carry and also make open carry illegal.

>>200581
People who say shit like this have no idea what it's like to actually kill something. I've never shot a person but I've shot animals while hunting and it's not immediate, even if you're a good shot (unless you're going for a headshot). You can shoot someone and still die because they had some fight left in them before they go.

>>200585
It's not legal in most places to carry a sword. If it were, we'd probably see more sword action.

>>202051
It'd actually be really a really good application. Divers have to be careful and patient and deal with stress successfully. I suppose those skills would go very well in investment banking.

is Dan Inosanto's demo\rule of "surprise stabbing beats unprepared gun user\policeman" still true? was it EVER really true?
>and, is Dog Brothers a w*stern invention, or did full-contact vale tudo exist in pinoy systems?

>>217385
I somewhat agree with you but I worked in the ER and I cannot stress enough how deadly are shotguns. They easily can knock people out to the ground. Which is why cops use rubber bullets so much even against the berserker class crackheads. Even if you just hit someone's limbs at the right distance it can just mutilate them so much there won't be anything to use, no matter how much adrenaline they have.
That aside, there's a lot to say about "stopping power" which is partially a meme, partially true.

>>222310
There's a good chance. Then again, surprise shooting beats unprepared anything, and that's got to be like a 95% chance of killing, far more than surprise stabbing.

>>222318
Stopping power is not a meme at all.

If a Moro swordsman was hacking off your arm, you wouldn't be calling it a meme. And that's where it came from.

>>222340
Not a meme as a concept, but as an adjective for certain firearms. .45 comes to mind.

>>222346
>.45
Funny you should say that.

>The reason for the less usable .38 Long Colt being phased out and replaced by the .45 Colt as well as the very invention of the words for the concept "stopping power" were due to Moro juramentados. Regardless, it is known from contemporary accounts that the .45 and the 00 buckshot shotgun shell were things the soldiers considered essential to the confidence that they could stop a charging, determined Moro. It is also from the impact of the juramentado that Gen. John J. Pershing acquired his respect for the shotgun as a military implement, which Americans would be the only force to carry in numbers into the First World War.

>>222310
>surprise stabbing beats unprepared gun user\policeman" still true? was it EVER really true?
https://youtu.be/wevpk7tWQDU?t=472

> Armed martial arts that would actually be effective in real life
Are you planning on walking around every day all day with a sword or stick on your hip?

>>223633
Are you not?

>>223633
Part of my EDC is a hardwood walking stick and there is a steel truncheon quickly accessible in my backpack. If you dont carry at least 1 firearm & 1 melee weapon on your person every day, you're not a fucking man.

I don't know. I used to to Arnis and that's the closest to Eskrima that I have to go on. It was alright, but I'm really not sure how well it would actually do in a real fight. It was a little bit questionable.

>>202016
I've practiced mixed martial arts for 6 years and have had to defend myself and others multiple times, and have been attacked with weapons before. Training martial arts does work.

>>200827
"Escrima" and "Eskrima" are both interchangeable spellings. Escrima is actually the Spanish spelling for fencing, but because the Filipino alphabet lacks a letter C, the more correct term for Filipino martial arts would be Eskrima. You're just being a pedantic faggot.

>>223938
You have to learn to sort the wheat from the chaff with some FMA stuff. Some styles are more directly practical than others and they vary a lot. Also it's good if you go to a school that does weapon sparring.

>>222310
>is Dan Inosanto's demo\rule of "surprise stabbing beats unprepared gun user\policeman" still true?
check this webm. Obviously it depends on various factors and just how unprepared the one carrying the gun is, and how successful the stabber is at ambushing them, but yes it's very possible for a surprise stabbing to win if the gun-user isn't able to draw their gun in time

>>and, is Dog Brothers a w*stern invention, or did full-contact vale tudo exist in pinoy systems?
They've had full contact weapon competitions in the Philippines for a long time. My instructor won several gold medals in a multi-divisional competition there.

>>200580 (OP)
Kendo, but HEMA superior IMO.

>>200659
Of all the words you could have chosen to use as the generic label for fma styles you chose the one that literally translates to "fencing" lmao

Fokos
If you're Eastern European it's pretty normal for old people to walk around using fokos as walking sticks, it's basically a long tomahawk some with a spike on the other end, you can learn to fence with it.

Just do modern fencing and get fit enough so no one picks on you.

>>200580 (OP)
Old Dog Brothers tapes had one gem in it, if you practice that 1 o'clock to 7 o'clock caveman power swing you'd be wrecking motherfuckers left and right with any sturdy stick. Combine that with 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock back swing on the recovery and it's fucking deadly.

>>200830
Seems like overkill on a fat neckbeard. They probably could have brought him down by just making him run halfway across the car park.

>>200580 (OP)
Being comfortable with one- and two-handed weapons makes improvising weapons much easier. I'd say the four basic weapons - straight sword, saber, staff and spear are enough but escrima sticks are cool, too.