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Let's keep this bad boy going!

What's your style?
What you shooting?
What you hitting?
Recs for bows?
I bought a yumi, oh god, I'm a fucking moron, please help.
What you wearing?

>>212688 (OP)
>What's your style?
mederterranian

>What you shooting?
pse nighthawk 50lbs

>What you hitting?
a 3d hog target since im going hunting in 2 weeks

i wanna buy an expensice long bow but i want it to have a sight mount.
Any recommendations?

>>212740
>hunting
nice man, got any goals of what you're after?

>long bow with a sight mount
Probably not going to have much luck, just get a target recurve and you can add as much or as little as you want.

>>212826
>got any goals of what you're after?

im mostly going to go hog hunting since hogs are plenty. but if a deer walks out i'll be good with that too since it's deer season.

>just get a target recurve
thank you.
That was my original plan.

What do you shoot anon?

>>212838
>That was my original plan.
that was my original plan to buy more targer recurves if i couldnt find a long bow with sight bearings*

>>212688 (OP)
>What's your style?
Mainly Olympic recurve but I do shoot asiatic thumb draw at times too.

>What you shooting?
Main bow is a Hoyt riser and limbs. They're around 10 years old now so I'm thinking of changing them soon.
My asiatic bow is a Mariner Ming Moon.

>What you hitting?
I've done almost exclusively target archery.

>Recs for bows?
For Olympic recurve, Kinetic does pretty decent budget gear. For higher ends, you can't really miss with Hoyt or Wiawis.

>I bought a yumi, oh god, I'm a fucking moron, please help.
Why?

>>212838
>What do you shoot anon?
Right now I just moved to a place that has a club nearby so I am just shooting my small asiatic horsebows. Fun, but I need to redo the nock point

>>212852
Is your Hoyt ILF or will you get a new rig?
>Why?
Weeb intentions, also I always thought they looked cool. Not really worth the hassle unless you want a very relaxed shoot or want to stand out at every comp ever.

>>213320
>Is your Hoyt ILF or will you get a new rig?
It's Formula, but I don't really mind sticking to it. They're expensive but pretty good.

>Weeb intentions, also I always thought they looked cool.
I've considered getting one for some time, but the fuck huge size puts me off.

>>212740
saturday...soon
waking up before dawn to avoid my crazy uncle.
Lots of legal shit going on with the land.
My cousin has given us permission to use his land though

>>213763
we saw 2 hogs and three deer.
All out of range.
I literally started having a coughing fit as one of the deer approached the feeder

Does any of you compete in official shoots? If yes, what kind?

>>213328
Would not recommend, it is more hassle than it's worth.

>>213889
Pics of what your bow was?

>>214255
Not yet, but indoor comps start soon, and I want to get involved in that.

What's the bare minimum poundage for a warbow?

>>214430
>Not yet, but indoor comps start soon, and I want to get involved in that.
Recurve or compound?

>>214712
Depends on the "warbow" you're talking about. In Tod's workshop video about testing arrows against plate armour, the archer said he thought the average poundage for a european longbow was around 150-160, and he could shoot up to 200, so I'd assume the lower end would be around 100.
For Asian recurves, they tended to be lower in poundage, as they were way more efficient so didn't require the same poundage. I can't remember where I read or heard it, but Koreans apparently didn't go over 60. Meanwhile, late Chinese bows could get to 100, so I'd say 50-60 would be on the low end of the spectrum?

>>214716
thank you

>>214255
I used to shoot for my national team and won international tournaments, was on track to compete at the olympics but injured myself. Thinking about getting back into it, but I'm the type of person that would only want to do so if I were to do it seriously again.
>what kind
Recurve

I picked up archery last summer shooting compound bow - I shoot a Diamond XT, a $400ish beginners bow with a 3-pin sight and a huge range of draw weight, 20lbs to 70. It's been a blast and I've worked my way up to 60lbs, hitting decently accurately at 50 yards. feelsgoodman

I've only got another few weeks here before it gets too cold for me to comfortably shoot outside anymore. There are two indoor ranges near me in the city, but they both only have 20 yard ranges. The idea of shooting my compound bow at that short a length doesn't excite me, but I don't want to just not shoot a bow all winter long. If I were to take the plunge and become a guy who owns two bows, I'm not sure what I'd want to shoot. Probably easiest and smartest to buy a good starter recurve, right? Shooting bare bow sounds like a lot of fun, but it would be smarter to learn how to shoot the bow with a stabilizer plunger first. Then I can take off the gadgets and use my baseline skill to more easily learn to shoot it bare. Alternatively, I'm a tall guy: I would look good with a longbow. What do you recommend I learn to shoot this winter?

ALSO: Anyone else dislike crossbow-guys at the range? They take forever to do anything, you can never tell if they're about to shoot or if we're clear to go downrange. Had a guy shooting his crossbow with a lit cigarette in his mouth, he took the shot sitting on a small three legged wooden stool, and without standing up, handed the crossbow to his friend who passed him back his beer.

>>214716
Asian recurve for me, though I do have a target recurved somewhere, and I should maybe get back into it.

>>214891
Nice man, whats your normal scoresheet?

>>215110
"that guy that owns two bows" in archery hobbyists is the poor guy who ONLY has two bows.
Keep buying dude, you won't regret it.
Would recommend a basic sammick sage if you dont want to get into target recurve properly.
Alt; you could switch your targets for tiny 3 spots and keeping shooting at shorter ranges.

>ad a guy shooting his crossbow with a lit cigarette in his mouth, he took the shot sitting on a small three legged wooden stool, and without standing up, handed the crossbow to his friend who passed him back his beer.
What a fucking king.

>>215110
>Anyone else dislike crossbow-guys at the range?
Clubs here work differently from what I'm assuming is an american range. Clubs here are usually affiliated with the national federation, and crossbows do not belong with the archery federation but the shooting federation, just like firearms. So crossbows generally don't shoot together with us because insurances don't work the same.

>The idea of shooting my compound bow at that short a length doesn't excite me
Shooting at 18m on a compound target face isn't really easy, the 10-ring is the size of a small coin. That could make it more exciting for you.

Went to the shop today, tried out a couple recurve bows, ended up buying a Galaxy Sage with 30lb draw-weight limbs. 35lbs was drawable, but not hundreds of times in a row; can always buy more limbs later if I want. I missed having the compound bow's weight let-off, let me tell you that! Having a pocket to drop into with the compound bow is great, it's light enough to take your time aiming and it gives a very physical sign when you're fully drawn. Even knowing my anchor points, I kept having to remind myself to fully draw the recurve and not just fire off shots. I only shot at 10 yards today, but my groupings were still pretty good - another guy shooting complimented me on being so consistent for my first time with a recurve! I think I shoot consistently inconsistently: hitting most of my shots in the same place, but I don't feel in control of where that place is.

A big part of that is that my form is wrong, I'm using too much hand, not enough of my shoulder and back. Two older navy guys were shooting and gave me lots of advice, ended up shooting for near two hours with them and by the end I felt better about my form but was also exhausted. Got a bruise blowing up from slapping my arm with the string multiple times, and my fingertips are sore from holding it (glove > tab) instead of having a mechanical release.

>>215189
there were absolutely laughs when I told them that two bows seemed like a lot to me. A big reason I went with the Sage instead of getting an Olympic style bow for (at least) twice the price is that, in a year or two, I could just buy one of those as my THIRD bow.

>>215243
I respect anyone who can shoot extremely accurately, but I honestly don't care much about it myself. If I shoot 6 arrows and can wrap my hand around 5 of them, I call that a good round. I'd rather increase my distance than accuracy beyond that - at least with the compound. With a no-sight recurve, shooting at 20 yards and focusing on accuracy does seem exciting though!

>>215638
>With a no-sight recurve, shooting at 20 yards and focusing on accuracy does seem exciting though!

20 yards is a good long distance start with recurve
what's your targeting method?
i slapped a compound sight on mind and removed all the pins but one

Before that i was shooting based off of point if references in the grass.
for example:
>x patch is at this distance therefore i should aim here
it worked out but i wanted to make it easier for myself
with a sight my max is currently 30 yards

>>215110
>shoot a Diamond XT, a $400ish beginners bow with a 3-pin sight and a huge range of draw weight, 20lbs to 70

yeah dude and it could end up being the only bow you ever need.

>If I were to take the plunge and become a guy who owns two bows

i only own two recurves and plan on buying more at some point in the near or far future
target recurves so i can out sights on 'em


>What do you recommend I learn to shoot this winter?

any target recurve
just know that in recurve you're holding that poundage for the entire time
there is no displacement that makes it go down ti like <10lbs like the cam and axle system of a compound.
You may wanna get a cheapo 30lb fiberglass of amazon and see if you need to go heavier

>>215638
>ended up buying a Galaxy Sage with 30lb draw-weight limbs. 35lbs was drawable, but not hundreds of times in a row

based you did it without even being told.
You're actually really intelligent especially for statting at 30 and getting 35lb limbs incase you needd to ot wanna go up.


>A big part of that is that my form is wrong, I'm using too much hand, not enough of my shoulder and back.

yes recurve is unforgiving form is everything
all the way down to your release can make or break even missing slightly

look up back tension
that's a good starting point
as well as being able to hold your bow at full draw with full energy(as in you arent tired from shooting etc) for at least 30 seconds to build strength

>>215650
clay hayes has a good recurve tutorial too

>>212688 (OP)
>What's your style?
Three finger under, I want to start practicing thumb draw too though.
>What you shooting?
This hungarian style resin shit I bought used at the archery club for 50 bucks, it stalls at 28" so I need to buy anothed one.
>What you hitting?
Little ghost cutouts that were left over from the halloween contest.
>Recs for bows?
Don't buy a bow that stalls at 28" if you're a 6' tall guy.

>>215737
Are you using a glove for that, or thumb rings?

>>216917
I have a fingertip glove, I might get a thumb ring but I've just been shooting thumb draw without it and it doesn't hurt that much.

>what's your style?
Olympic recurve
Asiatic/thumb draw/horse bows
>What you shooting?
A high end Olympic rig with a bunch of X10s
>what you hitting?
Mostly gold at 70m
Recs for bows?
Win&Win limbs
Hoyt risers
AliBow - 'keshig' horse bows
I've tried a LOT of horse bows, and they typically don't keep up for durability, it's part of why I went to Olympic. The keshig has the best performance on price range but has some issues with the handle delaminating
>I bought a yumi, oh god, I'm a fucking moron, please help.
I'm seriously considering buying a Yumi. I'm really familiar with thumb draw styles, and I really like trad archery, I just have a monster draw and everything I shoot that's not aluminum and carbon fiber gets wrecked. Normal asiatic bows just don't keep up, I figured a Yumi of all things can probably accomodate me if I draw it like a regular bow. Does anybody know where I can get reasonably priced kyudo arrows?
>What you wearing?
Anything that keeps me warm and doesn't fuck up my string clearance. Looking like a goof out here with mismatched nonsense.

>>215110
Shoot what you want to shoot right away. Olympic style is expensive.
Stabilizers can always wait, in fact I would recommend you learn to shoot first without and get to the stabilizers and sights later. Spend big money on a good riser early on and you will always be able to upgrade later. You can cheap out on limbs for sure, and you can definitely go with a cheaper plunger from Shibuya rather than going straight to the beiter. Cheap rods and weights are also okay, expensive stabilizer setups are about reducing weight while maintaining rotational inertia. You won't necessarily notice the difference until you're quite good or if you're really trying to reduce fatigue. Spend a little extra on a sight when/if you move to Olympic. A sight that is straight and stays put can save you a lot of headache.

What's the difference between american flat longbows and english longbows?
I would like to buy one, but can't decided. Any recommendation?

>>219091
>What's the difference between american flat longbows and english longbows?
American flatbows are flat in cross-section, whereas an English longbow has a rounder, D shape in cross-section.
Don't quote me on this, but I've read/heard flatbows were developed after some American dude wanted to analyse what made English longbows so "great". Turned out, they weren't, they're literally just a stick you bend with a string.
The Americans would later develop what they call the "traditional" bow, which is basically a flatbow, but with recurve limbs.
Performance-wise, a flatbow would launch arrows faster than a longbow with the same draw weight.

anyone who got experience with Big Tradition or Bogensport Beier?
Can't decide if i should get the BT Dark OWL for 300€ or bite the bullet and pay twice as much for the BB Enok, which also has a "100 year warranty"

>>219423
The question you need to ask yourself is how often do you intend to use it? If it's only occasionally, a 300€ bow could do the job. If you know you might take the activity more seriously and shoot frequently (more than one time a week, I'd say), you might be better off splurging on a nicer bow.

How do I start at this? Compound bow, some arrows and a target?

>>220171
Compound bows are a bit more complicated and they require more expensive safety equipment since they are usually way more powerful.
You will need a bow with an appropriate draw length for you(depends on what style you want to shoot but you should probably keep it in the 30-35lb draw weight range as a beginner), some arrows(that fit your bows poundage and string), a foam or hay target, a place that is at least 10-15 meters you can use for practice and most importanly if you don't want to get in legal trouble, a backstop, my club just has some archery netting laid over some wooden frames we nailed together from random pieces of lumber, sometimes arrows go through it but there's only a forest behind it so its fine.
I would reccomend joining an archery club if you have one nearby, also for begginer bows you can't really go wrong with a 30lb 62" Samick Sage, if you insist on a trad bow get a leather wrapped fiberglass or resin cheapo bow like this one >>215737 that is your draw length and about 30-35lb max.
If you have a bow with an arrow shelf get carbon arrows if not get wooden or bamboo. I don't reccomend aluminum but it is an option.
Arrows will break, so be prepared to buy a new set every year or so especially if you use wooden ones.

>>220194
>also for begginer bows you can't really go wrong with a 30lb 62" Samick Sage
For a beginner, it'd be better to get a lower draw weight, and the length depends on the height of the archer, you'd want the bow to be at least as tall as you are. 62" is only really good if you go innawoods, or a child.

>>220206
>62" is only really good if you go innawoods, or a child.
What? I'm 6' and I use a 62" Samick it's perfectly fine. Traditionalish recurves are usually shorter, I know olympic recurves are longer but there's no point in shilling out for an olympic unless you want to do olympic style archery.
Also 30lb is pretty perfect for a male beginner I'd say, it's light enough that you can shoot it a couple hundred times before you get sore but still strong enough to give that fun tactile feeling.

>>220194
>>220206
Well I guess for some more context, I am hoping to work my way up to hunting level archery, so I was thinking compound because that's what all the hunters use (or at least seems like from what they have out at Cabella's). I also figured they'd be easier since they lock into place mechanically when pulled back(?) rather than needing to be held via muscle tension. I considered a crossbow but that doesn't really seem to be in the spirit of the bowhunting season. And besides I like the idea of getting a new skill rather than just aiming down the sights like I would with a gun.

Also what do you mean "style" of shooting? Aren't all of them just pulling it back and letting go?

>>220273
>Also what do you mean "style" of shooting? Aren't all of them just pulling it back and letting go?
Kind of, but there are different bows for different purposes, olympic recurves are longer hunting ones are shorter, modern bows have an arrow shelf more trad ones don't etc, if you want to hunt you will want a hunting recurve or a compound, I reccomended the Samick Sage which is a pretty good hunting recurve for about 130usd, compound bows start at around 400usd and they are more complicated to take care of, string up, you will also need a release aid and it's way more expensive to replace parts for it, you can get a string for a recurve for a couple bucks, for a compound you're looking at 100 bucks per string, but if you like the look or style then go for it.
Same advice applies, get your measurments so you can figure out your draw length, compounds are adjustable somewhat but you still want one that's your draw length by default ideally. For hunting large generally you will need a draw length of at least 50lb, some places allow as low as 40 though, regardless you will want to work up to those draw weights cause in a single training session you will generally get over a hundred shots and that shits fucks your shoulder up, I know from experience since I started with a 40lb recurve thinking it would be no problem since I work out. 30lb is generally fine for most people, but there is no harm in going lower.
I don't know about your place specifically but here bowhunting requires a license which includes a shooting exam where you have to be fairly accurate from up to 40m.
For a compound you will need also need a compound bow target which is made of thicker foam since it will send the arrow straight through regular targets.

>>220278
>draw length of at least 50lb
Draw weight I meant sorry.

>>220278
>>220279
Huh...my state is pretty lax about most things so probably all I have to do is attend one class, pay for a permit/tag and get to it.

I do work out but I don't lift or anything, just body weight, so maybe I'll start with a cheap recurve at 30 or 40 pounds and just see how it goes from there.

Thanks anon, I'll let you know when I'm shooting with my feet like those sluts on Insta.

>>220155
>you might be better off splurging on a nicer bow
if i would shoot more then once a week and more seriusly, what should the starting price be?

>>220281
>I do work out but I don't lift or anything, just body weight, so maybe I'll start with a cheap recurve at 30 or 40 pounds and just see how it goes from there.

working out isnt going ti help much with archery.
Pulling the bow is a compounds movement of it's own volition.
Get a 25-40lb bow 40 is way ti heavy for a beginner.
>t. 210lb seated row for reps.

i shoot a 50lb modified pse nighthawk with a single pin sight and a peep that we put on it.
Very good bow my max distance is currently 30 yards.

>>220300
>25-40

meant to say 25-30 sorry phone posting

>>220300
>my max distance is currently 30 yards
and the pin is set for 20 yards.

>>220297
~500€ should get you a decent mid-level bow.

>>220354
What is this guy talking about? 500 for a beginner bow are you crazy? 130 for a pretty good hunting recurve or not that much more for a decent hand made laminated trad bow.

Why do people keep saying that shooting with modern hunting recurves is traditional archery?

real tradbows are usually self bows right?

>>220429
Self bows or laminated composites, although what most people mean when they say trad bow(at least here) is a bow without an arrow shelf, so I think most people would still call a resin hungarian like this >>215737 for example a trad bow.

>>220411
He just asked for a not-beginner bow.

Can someone link me to some resource that will teach me bowery from scratch as someone who's never done any type of crafting before?
My grandpa's shed has some old tools but no power tools or heatguns or anything so something I can do with a vice and some files and saws maybe.

>>220671
no

Boy what da hell is this boiiii?!?!

>>222362
I remember when i used to post my archery shit on twitter and people would post anime shit as a reaction.
It felt very cringey and made me wanna quit.

>>222369
>i used to post my archery shit on twitter
bro you were extremely cringe yourself because of that

What's your max distance anons?
And why did you cap off at that distance?

>>224038
>max distance
70m.

>why
There's no competition shooting further than this.

>>224079
are you trans?

>>225357
Please regale us with the tale about how much farther you can shoot a bow, and how that is oh so important to your manliness.

>>224038
10~15 meters, I need to get to a point where all my arrows are touching each other before thinking I'm good enough to move farther.

I think my bows been strung for like 2 years, I hope it's not completely fucked

What spine carbon arrows do I get for a 30lb Samick Sage?

>>212688 (OP)
getting into archery. right handed but left eye dominant. never shot anything before. how fucked of a combo is this? better off just learning left handed from the start?
dumb question, is there an actual difference between left and right handed bow?

>>227396
If you buy from a decent brand, they'd have spine charts you can google. If not, for 30lb you'll get around 800. That's what Easton recommends for their target arrows, for 30lb, 100 grain points, and 28 inch arrows.

>>227843
>how fucked of a combo is this?
It's not rare at all to have cross dominance.

>better off just learning left handed from the start?
Usually, yeah. You're better off just learning to shoot with your dominant eye.

>dumb question, is there an actual difference between left and right handed bow?
Yes, modern bows are not symmetrical. You have a cut-out in the bow to let the arrow fly out without having to pass around the bow itself. It eliminates the archer's paradox.
You can find bilateral bows, but they're usually dirt cheap, both in price and quality, or they're going for the traditional vibe, either longbow or "horse bow" type.

>>212688 (OP)
Ok

>>212688 (OP)
>What's your style?
Saranid

What you shooting?
Masterwork Nomad Bow

>What you hitting?
Desert Bandits or Khergits

Recs for bows?
regular strongbow is fine until you can find something fancier and get your powerdraw at a decent level. it can shoot very quickly compared to the heavier bows but still pack a decent punch

What you wearing?
picrel

>>227956
kino

Does my draw length makes a different, when i'm shooting traditionaly? Mine is 27 inch and thought about getting 30 inch ones

>>227843
I'm cross eye dominant. I'm right-handed, I shoot right handed, it's not a problem. I consider eye dominance a hugely inflated problem. If you're seriously concerned you can train your eye dominance to switch. Don't go left handed for eye dominance, you're always going to be chasing left handed risers that are out of stock, your coordination is going to suffer, and you're going to make slow initial progress because it feels weird.

>>220419
Trad usually refers to a bow that lacks significant accoutrement. A trad bow probably wouldn't have a plunger, clicker, sight, stabilizer setup, etc. The term isn't really well defined though, it usually implies a mostly wood bow, but it's not necessarily exclusive of modern materials and construction. Most of the 'trad' guys I shoot with have carbon arrows and bow construction varies significantly.

>>220429
A self bow implies you made it yourself of natural materials. As larger group, traditional archery would I clide self bows, but Trad is not well defined, it's mostly a means of excluding compound and competitive recurve archers in order to appreciate the aesthetic of archery in a competitive setting. Trad can usually have cutaways, arrow shelves, takedown bows, modern materials and well tuned match grade arrows. It usually doesn't have sights, stabilizers, clickers, or plungers.

>>228792
Shorter draw length just gives you more options. The longer the arrow the larger the deflection/bend you can create in the arrow. practically speaking, a shorter arrow is stiffer than a longer one when they have the same material and thickness. With a shorter draw length you can choose to have longer arrows or cut them to your draw length for tuning purposes. Arrows need the appropriate level of flexibility to bend around the handle of the bow to fly straight. The flexibility of the arrow is called it's "spine". A heavier arrow point can also increase the flexibility of an arrow and alter the trajectory and flight characteristics of the arrow.

>I bought a Yumi, oh god, I'm a fucking moron, please help!
Actually did this, it's been wild. I have experience shooting with a thumb draw and was pretty attracted to the bow, it's been a wild learning curve. The bow doesn't respond like any other horse bow I've had, and the string it came with is totally fucked. I've had to engineer an 8 foot string jig and learn to make strings in order to rectify the problem. it's come with some interesting engineering problems.
A few notes:
- The top limb has massive weight and momentum - As a result the bow needs to swing through the shot like they do in kyudo or you experience extreme hand shock, and you can invert the bow.
- the power is heavily modified by the way you grip the bow. Both a tight or loose grip will stunt the bow's power. The bow has to be controlled, but has to be allowed to swing free at the moment of release. When you get it right, the bow feels very graceful. The string loop horns are oddly shaped, arguably primitive. The string is a single length instead of a loop, with the end loops tied with arguably garbage knots. The material is a crappy synthetic rattan fibre, and is extremely thin. It has been difficult to knock arrows to it. I have instead decided to make a standard endless loop string, which has given me good performance. The problem has been that the shape of the string loop horn spreads out the string loop and threatens to unseat the string. It's required some additional reinforcement, but i think the last string I made should do the trick.

I couldn't shoot for 6 months duo to health issues and lost most of my skill.
I want to go back into traditional archery, but have problems getting the right anchor point. I used to hold my knuckle under the cheek bone and aim with the tip of the arrow under the target, which worked good, but now I'm hitting shit. Any tips on what else to try or change?

Can anyone reccomend me some cheap light practice arrows for a 30# Samick Sage? My draw length's 29.5". I see those really thin fiberglass ones with the bulbous tips that are melted into the shaft are those any good? Most of the stuff I'm reccomended searching online are proper carbon hunting arrows but I don't want to waste money buying those in 30# cause I only intend to practice with the 30# limbs and buy 50# limbs for actually hunting later.

>>234291
black eagle

>>234539
Way too rich for my blood especially for just target practice.

Anyone has experience with the Bearpaw Blackfoot longbow? Is it any good/recomendable?

>>235527
Question is still on the menu. Let me change the question, is bearpaw recommendable?

>>237917
very unlikely to get a constructive reply here and are literally better off asking reddit.
I wish i was joking
the last thread was up for about a whole year before a new one was made