Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu General: They don't even try to hide it anymore addition

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Previous thread: >>220879

I got a bjjgf that goes somewhere else and the teacher says I'm not allowed to bring her to our place because hes "seen dating in the gym go wrong too many times"
and I'm like wtf? it's really none of your business at all, its not like we met in the gym
so people that are already couples aren't allowed to do this hobby together?

>>226080 (OP)
did that guy ever find out if he has herpes?

>>226082
There's a tremendous amount of butthurt that comes with "cross training" in general, even at other gyms within your "Team"

So I'm not surprised if someone is going to be weird about it.

He only wants single women or women that he has a shot at fucking to join his gym, that's what that tells me.

>>226082
>>226087
who the hell lets women into their gym

>>226105
Pros of having girls in the gym:
Soft
Smell good
Make cute noises when you squish them

>>226082
Our instructor has women on separate days.
Imagine being able to have sex with any of your students.
>>226107
In way it really makes you focus on techniques more opposed to using strength.
I find it's a lose lose though, if you beat a girl
>You beat a girl
If you let her win or God forbid she wins
>you got beat by a girl
There is no winning.

Why is BJJ so expensive in the US? I pay a yearly fee of 200 EURO once a year
t. europoor

>>226212
Every gyms are price gouging together

>>226212
just like how nintendo and sony charge money for online service, they saw microsoft getting away with it and everyone was fine paying it so they said why not us too?

is the gym profitable at 130 per month? yes
if the guy down the street is charging 220 give me one good reason why I shouldn't charge 180 though

also we have free scholastic wrestling, so this is considered "boutique fitness" the same as yoga and spin vs the $10 a month gym membership to lift weights

>be at beej competition
>mp4 happens
wut do?

>>226260
pull guard, always works

>>226260
Well he won and didn't get hurt so it's cool

That's the kind of stuff that gets you banned

>>226082
Couples in the gym do too much couple shit that has nothing to do with training. It's a distraction. You'll say you won't do that shit and you'll behave, but you won't.

>>226224
>also we have free scholastic wrestling
It is impossible to suffer in the USA.

>>226260
What a retard lmao

>>226260
what a fucking asshole dude holy shit

How bad does this swelling look, do I need to drain it/will it turn into cauliflower? Other ear has exact same swelling, been icing them all afternoon.

>>226498
Just let it turn dude, that's how you get chicks

>>226504
Retarded

Ugh. I love and hate jiu jitsu.
I walk away some nights thinking I'm shit, I'm weak and I'm stupid.
It decreases my confidence.
Then obviously I have nights where i do good or sub someone and walk out with my head held high.

>>226570
>i experience something completely normal except i fight people

I have been using Kesa Gatame for years and it goes well with my top game. There is one submission however that I never managed to land. The one explained at 8:00 in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Xf_CJzE6M

I feel like a retard since everything else presented in the video works just fine. Anyone using this submission who has some tips?

>>226593
What is preventing you from landing it?
https://youtu.be/Jf0mVCDra5I?t=2465

>>226593
do you have any proof it's real? for example, and documented usage of it happening in the wild?
lots of moves are just boomer cope where they can make their compliant training partner tap when they're allowed to set it up but the truth is good fucking luck actually doing it

might just be fake

>>226606
I think what I get wrong is really sliding down like he shows and deeply sliding my hand behind his elbow.
Thanks for the video. Will try to apply the technique like this.

>>226599
beautiful

>>226593
See >>226614

There are much better systems and techniques you could be spending time on.

>>226614
you can oxygen submit someone from kesa by straight up laying ontop of them

>>226593
you have to push his wrist down with your elbow i think. never done it but its basically a kimura likes he says

>>226614
NTA but my sambo coach broke a guy's shoulder doing it in a competition. It's real.

>>226793
>>226614
its a kimura, why wouldnt it be real?

>>226797
a lot of catch moves are "hey kid check this out" and you just lay there while the old guy puts you exactly in the position he needs to hurt you
doesn't mean they can pull it off against resistance and most of those old man moves are just things they do to torment beginners that don't know how to fight back

the question will always be scalability, if it can't be done against an expert its a bad move
a gimmick trick that takes advantage of someones inexperience, not an expression of skill

What's the quicker return of investment?

I'm stuck between choosing bjj or freestyle wrestling

I want to ideally do it for a year or two and leave with something that will last me a lifetime

Which is the better choice?

Autist here.
I sparred against a girl and started from bottom to give her side control. She pressed her boobs in my face. When we reset she did it again.
Is she into me?

>>226947
To clarify we did not reset because she pressed her boobs in my face but after I got a tap.

>>226948
i was 17 doing bjj and we were doing armbars from mount and this woman kept correcting me to put my hands on her boobs but i still didnt get an erection even tho she was pretty fit

>>226927
If you have the opportunity to do freestyle wrestling, do it. BJJ will always be available and there are way more avenues to do it in comparison.

>>226947
>>226948

Like 95% it's just being trapped in a prison of flesh and not being into you. Flirting has a lot more to do with seeking out your attention, complimenting you, and trying to get you to associate being around them with feeling good. What you're describing as a mode of flirting sounds more like 'priming you to breed' which is as ridiculous as it sounds.

Getting a partner ready for sex is something you do in private with a lot of eye contact and progression from touching accessible areas to more erogenous ones. But 99/100 it's with someone you know or have otherwise had intimate conversation with. There are exceptions but if you're asking, you're not going to experience the exceptions.

havent trained in 5 years, just bought a new gi online (old one is literally torn to shreds). hope you guys are happy

>>226082
>>226087
My gf's gym told me I'm only allowed to show up there for social events because the owner of the gym takes competitions super seriously and thinks I'll spy on their classes to give my teammates info about their members at tournaments. Dude is super obsessed with advertising how many medals his gym gets.

>>227018
>They'll steal our secret moves!
Is the dude aware it's not the 80s anymore and the internet exists?

>>227020
It's more that he thinks I'll take notes on people so my teammates can counter their strengths and exploit weaknesses in their game. It's clear that having students win competitions is the only way he finds meaning in life.

>>226593
>Anyone using this submission who has some tips?
I've only had it work, and only seen it work, if the person is grabbing their own hands around your body and refusing to break their grip. It's one of those things that only works on brand new people and those too stubborn to care.

>>226994
>Eye contact
Lmao. Are you stupid
You kiss with your eyes shut whilst groping them

>>227063
>not maintaining intense eye contact from start to finish
ngmi, she's already planning to run away with Chad

>>227141
Oh noes ;_;

Nogi BJJ or wrestling for self defence?

>>227414
Wrestling. Quicker return on invested time and it instills in you that you're either on top or you stand up.
BJJ has a lot of things that are sound in a strict and fair 1v1 (MMA), but can be dangerous when you can't guarantee that, such as in a street fight.

What should I focus on to improve my stand up the most in the shortest amount of time?

>>227418
Thanks. I want to grind out wrestling for a year or so to learn some basics

>>227444
Walk as much as you using only one leg. It will improve your balance

the teacher neck cranked me really bad tonight and I was surprised because I wouldn't expect him to do something like that to me
I think it's because I was doing too good

>>227514
The gogoplata is such a stupid sub, I love it

>>227414
wrestling, >>227514 if this was a street fight and the guy being subbed had a knife the guy subbing'd be fucking dead. at least the takedowns in wrestling involve body slams. in bjj it's either judo take downs or single legs/double legs

>>227602
might be a sign that you are talking too much during class and not being focused enough, maybe you are being to familiar as well. or maybe it was an honest accident?

How do i stop getting horny every time i accidentally grab a dick?

>>227708
by jelqing

>>227702
>being too familiar
elaborate

Yesterday i didn't want to train but then i thought if i train i can eat a calzone with salami sausage and ricotta cheese after, so i went to the gym.

>wearing face diapers while wrestling and sweating on top of other people wearing face diapers
retards, every single one of them

>>227709
Mine or theirs? Would subtly bringing it up while drunk be worth it if i got them to start jelquing?

>>227725
This is clearly a pornographic image and facemasks are sexy as shit on an asian woman's face

>>226260
>BAH GOD HE IS BROKEN IN HALF!!!

>>226080 (OP)
Haven't heard from Wiltse in almost a month, anyone know if he's okay?

schizos never stay on their meds long term
it's the cycle, they go on the meds and start to think clearly and then feel like they don't need them anymore

>>228265
he got ouched by the couch

>>228274
Couch got ME TOO'ed and isnt' doing shit.

>>228265
he's doing alright now and is reuploading his old stuff on a new youtube channel
bird wiltse also started a yt channel of his own and he has some uploaded good stuff so far https://youtu.be/15LBhe1PRbk
when is bird due for a black belt? hasnt he been training for nearly as long as andrew?

Someone with basic striking who does bjj twice a week for a year

Vs

Someone with basic striking who does wrestling twice a week for a year

>>228312
He was doing alright then BJJFanatics copy struck his channel because he was uploading stuff he did for them.

He made a new channel called WiltsesBJJ and uploaded a few things on it but hasn't said anything or posted to it for almost a month now.

Bird left for a different state so he's not training under the same coach so who knows about him getting a black belt, switching gyms kind of messes up your promotion progress.

>>228367
yeah that was an absolutely pathetic display by the big man
he showed no skill at all

>>228324
They'll be equally inept

>>228382
Both 3 years respectively then

>>228367
absolutely stupid division

>>228400
It will follow a curve
First it'll be wrestling because jiujitsu doesn't work when you're getting punched
Then it'll be jiujitsu because he figures out how to stop getting punched
Then it'll be wrestling again because he figures out how to stop falling into submissions
Then it'll stabilize

>>228376
that's how some high ranking people are man. They'll show no humility, no proper skill and no sportsmanship. not much you can do about it; like yeah you could always call them out for being a dick but then you'd just look childish to everyone even if you're right

I went to a gym that offers all the main grappling arts and tried freestyle wrestling.
I'm brand new and told the instructor.
He had me sparring at 100% with two other new people at the end of the first day, and didn't ask me anything about my experience.
luckily I had basic breakfall knowledge from taking two judo classes before (not to post arms etc)

Does this sound like a good gym/normal experience? They also don't wash the mats down from the previous classes. It's cheap but idk. Is this normal?

Someone who does bjj told me most places don't wash the mats etc

>>228503
> Is this normal?
no find somewhere else

>bjj places dont wash mate
a lot dont because they think steam from body heat will santize everything

>>228503
>>228503
>>228503
>He had me sparring at 100% with two other new people at the end of the first day, and didn't ask me anything about my experience
Depends. Were you told to go all out? Were you given some tips and do's and don'ts? Anything in between that?

Around here it's pretty normal to have all the beginners that want join in sparring after giving them a rundown on what to do and not to do. Works well enough, I've been doing it too when I teach classes, few to no incidents, nothing bad happened over the years. I do tend to pair new people up with experienced people that I can trust to gently manhandle said beginner. Wouldn't let a beginner go all out with someone who's almost equally new and will tell them to slow down or make them switch partners if I see them going at it hard.

>Someone who does bjj told me most places don't wash the mats etc
Standards vary and around here it depends on who owns the building. Privately owned placed tend to clean themselves, municipally owned places have to rely on provided services.

>>228613
>Depends. Were you told to go all out? Were you given some tips and do's and don'ts? Anything in between that?

Nope. After warmup and drilling random takedowns and positional stuff, He just picked me and another beginner and let us go 100%. I didn't even know the rules completely (back takes scoring etc). I turned up to a few more sessions and it was the same, apart from once he paired me with an experienced guy who just ragdolled me for the whole round

I mean I thought it was pretty cool to get thrown in at the deep end on day 1, but at the same time for an adult beginner i felt a bit worried about the whole thing ending in injury

>>228614
>He just picked me and another beginner and let us go 100%.
I don't like talking bad about other places without knowing them personally, but as you same time this significantly increases the risk of injury as you mentioned yourself. Whether you stay or not, pace yourself and don't go wild. I'm not opposed to letting people spar on day one but it should happen with a basic rundown of do's and don't and a few other sensible precautions.

As an aside, it's not a disaster if they don't explain scoring positions right away, you'll quickly realize which positions you really don't want to be in anyway.

This blatant Brazilian tap attempt lmao

>>228818
Taza doomed to be a junior squad member forever. Poor guy can't win when it matters.

That Roberto vs. Izaak match was retarded.

Look im entirely on board for allowing the socially retarded a chance to become normal but why do these people think totally normal things arent normal?
Ive only ever seen this with terminally online people. They'll think the most normal and mundane thing is actually downright horrible.

>>229321
from the bjj subreddit

>>229321
Remembering combos and your chosen go to moves is way more important than remember a singular persons name.

The biggest troll maneuver would be to offer big Dan a spot on Greg's team since he's only a new wave junior and won't make the cut with John

>>226080 (OP)

>>229747
Are they going to unwrap him and reveal they grafted his head onto los body to Frankenstein together the ultimate competitor?

Jay Rod gooned out

>>229811
>decides to train in the gi
>becomes sex predator
Many such cases

>>229811
>his response
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJU7FXYRfnj/

>>229811
>>229827
>>229828
you cant be good at jiu jitsu and also not be a gooner, that's just how it is

>>229811
ok so, how was this discovered without invading his privacy or shoulder surfing his phone?

>>229835
>he went to therapy
i wonder how many people are gonna make fun of him for doing that. BJJ culture can get pretty heated

>>229836
He clearly did not go to therapy and is just saying it

>>229837
meh, i dont care im just curious as to how they found all this out.
Something illegal obviously went down here in order to find something on his phone that stays locked

>>229835
Someone probably caught him taking creepshots and told Craig

>>229811
So what now? I can't imagine anyone else letting him train at their gym after this, is his career over?

>>229849
if that were the case they'd address photos snd tell him to stop. I think someone may have snatched his phone while he may have left it unlocked(like talking to someone etc) and unsuspecting and went through it. They legally cant go through an adults phone without their permission and i doubt he gave them permission to do so. As creepy as it is he may have grounds to sue.

>>229852
My opinion on them findjng the photos would be different if it was like, his girlfriend or something that found it bexause some couples straight up go through each others phones. But i know from personal experience how power trippy bjj instructors can get. If it's not on the waiver it's not legally covered

>>229838
There was this one girl I had a crush on at my old gym and she'd always arrive early to take a shower so I hid a camera that looked like a phone charging brick in the bathroom

>>229852
>be you
>regular paying trainee
>see JRod take creepshots
>talk to whoever is in charge that day
>they tell JRod to give them his phone so that they can verify if it's true or not
>if he refuses he's probably hiding something
It's not that complicated mate

>>229858
>takes creepshots
>"hey stop doing that, if you do that again you cant train here anymore"
is the better solution
not going through someones phone like a fucking high school teacher. not only is it a more peaceful resolution but it'll save you legal headaches

>>229861
also if a group as big as b team doesnf have camera set up to record and monitor the class than what the fuck are they doing lol?
this shit isnt complicated
i swear to fuck some of you havent had any social interaction outside if high school
>He's taking creepshits
>let me see your hecking phone, CHUD!!!
literallt anyone with a functioning brain above room temperature iq would just look at the class recording from the cameras and check to see if they're telling the truth.
Yeah he took creep shots, kick the pervnl out, but my question is how did they get access to his phone

>>229866
and yes im aware he could have just given it to them
which just makes him a fucking retard

>>229861
Depends. One of the main personalities and the owner's brother being a creep is not good for business. Once the word gets around, that's half the female trainees gone. And if there's been multiple complaints, that shit can very easily kill a gym. It's not like they're the only elite gym in Austin, their biggest rivals are like 20 minutes down the road
Doing this was objectively the best business decision in the long run. Yes, they had to kick out a successful competitor, but 1) competitions don't pay the bills, people who want to train there do, and 2) it's not like they are starved for talent

>>229866
They do have cameras, they use some of the rolling footage in their Youtube videos. But those cameras only cover the mats. Not the bathrooms or locker rooms. If he took pictures through an ajar door or, god forbid, had placed a hidden camera in one of those places, security cameras would likely not capture it
>>229869
>which just makes him a fucking retard
Would you consider intelligence a defining trait of the Rods?

>>229861
The legal headache would be giving him a chance and having him offend again when you already knew about it

He's not even good, kicking him off the team isn't a loss
If not for his brother he'd be nobody

maybe he was fucking some female members and they ratted on him

Ecobros can't stop winning

Say jiujitsu is gay again, I dare you!

>>229861
Do you really think someone willing to risk legal trouble for taking creepshots is the type of person to stop after a warning?

>>230036
that's a good point i didnt think of that because I do cybersecurity, so i usually view scenarios like going through someones phone through that lense. In my mind not many people would just hand in their phone to be investigated.

>>229811
The question here is if they were creepshots or not. If not, then who tf cares. I've gooned to women's publicly posted bikini pics. Making deepfakes is too much effort for me, but whatever if you're the type to do it as long as you keep it private.

>>230041
There's signs posted all over the gym that say pictures and videos are forbidden, so those are the terms you agree to when you walk in the door
So they can definitely check phones if they want to or just terminate you for refusal

Who know where the details come from but supposedly it was in a private folder

>>229811
All the women i saw in bteam videos are ugly as fuck also
>Commit minor mistake
>Forced humiliation ritual on instagram
Jesus

>>230050
Not a minor mistake
An intentional action

>brazilian jew

>>230043
>I've gooned to women's publicly posted bikini pics
oh yeah prove it

It was a total accident he created AI porn with pictures of girls at the gym guys, he didn't mean to do it

>>230149
He looked like a retard but he's actually based.

>>230149
id believe it mostly because im retarded

been practicing crab rides and inadvertently discovering which of my training partners do not use a bidet

>>230050
Sexual harassment isn’t a minor mistake retard

Interesting grip

>>230257
>taking a picture is literally rape

>>230297
but b team said so see>>229811
i am unable to come up with an original thought or think for myself

i didn't choose the deep half it chose me

>>226080 (OP)
Mmmhhh feet...rolling with a cute girl...

>>226080 (OP)
>oguruma
>lateral drop
>oguruma
>lateral drop
>oguruma
>lateral drop
>stall from side control and attempt a few submissions until the round is over
modern jewjitsu is a solved game.

>>226284
shouldn't have pulled guard

>>230456
>judo

>>230297
>taking a creepshot while someone's changing is just an oopsie moment

>>230466
Taking photos of women then putting them into an AI to make porn out of them is just a little woopsiedaisy we've all done before

I'm waiting for mcdojolife to cover this but he won't, he didn't cover Jacob couch and he won't do this
He's such a faggot shill

>>230490
he fell and his hand landed on generate
and somehow, nobody knows how
a female fighters facebook photo was in the input section

Jayrod drama update

>>230521
>hey guys look and pay attention to my life i am craig jones look at how hard and traumatic this thing that doesnt affect me, craig jones, is. #metoo

>>230521
OK so now she sort of blowing out any credibility he did something wrong,
She gave him nudes and he saved them on his phone, and likely did that with other girls too

There's no problem with that
This is why we can't have women in male spaces

>>230532
that's why you dont date members from your class

>>230532
Whatever he did, it was serious enough that rumors circulated and caused at least one, presumably multiple, female members to quit.
Not to mention serious enough that his own brother and several of his long-time friends, all being co-owners of the gym, gave him the boot. That shit doesn't happen over a simple goon folder

>>230540
>inb4 she lied because he hurt her feelings by cheating on her

elo
bjj is hard as fuck, it's so technical but I'm liking it
Is once a week enough or should I be going more? I've been doing kickboxing as well and I'm progressing fast there, but the grappling still feels like a challenge

>>230545
Depends on your goals
Do you want to be a legitimately good grappler, compete and all that stuff? Then yeah, you should train more.
Are you an MMA guy and just want to be able to survive if you get taken down or do you just like to casually dabble in various kinds of martial arts? Then once a week is fine

>>230545
If you only have one day a week then 100% of your time should be spent doing task based games
You will progress faster than someone doing the traditional approach 5x a week

>>230521
>Download instagram picture
>Search similar porn actress
Whoah he lierally raped 6 billions of women they should kill him

>>230521
>giant blocks of text with no real point or anything illegal happening

Yup the health inspector needs to close B Team permanently and everyone who trains there needs to be banned from BJJ for life, this is the only way to even partially rectify this situation.

I see why there's gyms that ban women from training.

>>230539
This is a good point but then who else would they date? They do nothing but train, they don't hang out anywhere, they don't go to bars, there's an increasingly shrinking number of "third spaces" for available single people to meet and mingle, these guys are fucked no matter what they do - if this is the case for a single healthy physically fit athletic guy to end up in this shit show then what does that say how things are going for the average person?

>>230567
>>230575
Now imagine aggressive 315lbs ripped gay bears you interact with on a regular basis and who do nothing but combat sports doing it, but it's you they're ogling, and if one day they snap and decide to go to town on your butthole there isn't much you're going to be able to do about it.

>>230575
They have an "all genders" locker room
They were doomed from the start

>>230586
How does that even work?

>>230587
Well they obviously didn't want to deal with the scandal of ITS MA'AM happening then either being based or cucking out so they decided to just let everyone use the same locker room

Who knew it would result in sex crimes...

>>230590
>scandal of ITS MA'AM
They had one but b-team didn't make a post of it and they where just rude to them until they left the gym calling them all transphobs

>>226080 (OP)
Dumb question here but how do you guys keep your pants up? I tie them incredibly tight every time but, no matter what, I always end up needing to retie because they either gradually start to loosen or I get bare-assed from a waistband grip.

Any specific gii recommendation? I've been using only elitesports gii so I thought maybe it's a drawstring issue with those.

>>230590
Trannies don't even train. It's a non issue and pretty easily to scare them off.

>>230641
I wear fuji and you gotta pull them out at the sides if that makes sense like you gotta incrementally tighten it then tie it, no one sticks their hand in my underwear to do any of that bolo/matrix back take bullshit

>>230658
They just want to invade spaces generally, their main hobby is going into other people's hobbies and demanding the hobby changes to suit them

>>230641
Origin gis have velcro and a buckle

>>230663
can't compete w/ that if they care about that, it's worth mentioning

>>230668
So gay
Getting shot is manlier than what he did

>>230668
did you get this from reddit because reddit is gay

>>230662
I went to 3 clubs in hs table top games, coding, hiking.
They ruined two of them but they couldn't ruin hiking since they could not finish the hike.

Technicalfags, this is the last straw.
Now I WILL use all my strength and do all the shit you seethe about so much.
>"You are using too much strength"
Stay mad. Your superior technique should enable you to outplay me.
>"You are pressuing too much."
Not my problem you can't frame after playing bottom positions for YEARS.

>>230743
You are absolutely right, don't listen to those fools they're just trying to cope and hold you back to protect their egos
Use as much power as you can manage for as long as you can sustain it
Just don't make the mistake of leaving yourself vulnerable because you got tired too fast

https://youtu.be/RkbuDW4taxI?si=W9K2qHGHdmB6GAM7

>>230748
I realised that some people will seethe no matter what you do. Most people in my gym are fine and there is no issue with them. Quite a lot compliment on things like me getting americanas and kimuras when they have side control but a few specialists exist.
Tapped someone with pressure, he got extra loud so everyone could hear it and claimed I used no technique at all.
Another guy got mad I pulled a paper cutter on him, then he hooked my inner cheek with his fingers and tried to rip it lmao but apologized later.
There are more stories like this and despite not even committing to paper cutters right now and volunteering to start in a bad position from the start, some people still get mad (though I did the latter primarily to practice side mount and top mount escapes) unless I role over and give them a guillotine or triangle for free.
Used to do rounds against a few strong guys with great technique all the time when I started out and I liked getting destroyed by them, because I learned a lot about defense. I copied much of their stuff into my game but I never hear anyone seethe about these dudes. Probably because the specialists can not claim to be better at technique than them.

>>230743
Who hurt you?

>tfw cruised through six back to back rounds this afternoon with LHW/HW/SHW dudes as an underweight middleweight

>>230750
crashout explained here
>>230749

>>230751
Fair enough. I do love me some paper cutter chokes and will occasionally go for pressure taps, or just use pressure to wear out stubborn training partners - as long as you don't just lay on someone hoping your weight will do the job, it's legit. Got caught in a few mother's milk submissions in the past year too, and while it was always SHWs getting it on me, they set it up nicely. Fair game in my book.

Also, kimura from stupid positions is fun but america from underneath side control? Are you occasionally rolling with retards?

>>230752
>Also, kimura from stupid positions is fun but america from underneath side control? Are you occasionally rolling with retards?
I always go for it when there is a chance. Miss them more often than I get them but it catches a lot of people off guard. I even got a few when my opponents were in top mount. One of the strong guys I mentioned above used to pull those on me and I learned to be more aware of where my arms are during top pressure positions. Some people think just because they passed you that they are immune to submissions or no one will go for one because it is unconventional.
The pressure taps usually come from kesa gatame but this position is relatively easy to avoid for the bottom player. I can only get into it when the inside arm sits in the right position.
>mother's milk submission
Kek thanks for telling me about it. I will try it in sparring.

>>230753
>One of the strong guys I mentioned above used to pull those on me and I learned to be more aware of where my arms are during top pressure positions.
Smart, I see way too many people not being careful about that, and as much as I try to teach people never to leave their arms hanging from anywhere, it's far too common. I've never tried the americana from their though, despite having been training for over a decade.

>>230753
>Kek thanks for telling me about it. I will try it in sparring.
Oh boy. Not an expert myself as a middleweight, but I can recommend attacking the arms until your partner starts actively trying to get them as close to the mat as possible, then going for it. Turns it from a 'just abusing my weight' move into a 'set you up and then used my weight to get a clean sub' type move.

>>230751
switch gyms dude.
Sounds like you go to one of those faggot gyms where they say "lifting doesnt help with bjj" then do a fuck ton of gear to help
mitigate pain

>>230743
Really depends on the circumstances
Do you have the edge thanks to being more athletic or are you straight up just doing things that only work because
>You're a big guy
?
Being stronger and having a better gas tank is, weight bullying smaller people is retarded and benefits no one
>>230749
>Tapped someone with pressure
Are you the kind of guy to give someone a knee-on-belly CPR for no reason?

>>226080 (OP)
test

>>230641
>bare-assed from a waistband grip
it happens dude, just be proud of your butt and let them do it and they don't take back.

>>230776
imagine the smell

>>230776
This sport is a joke

>>230811
it's just watered down judo. Everyone in the bjj community knows it they just dont wanna admit it. It's one of those hush hush things. BJJ schools even teach judo takedowns alongside wrestling.

>>230813
>watered down
Not watered down, refocused
The standup is watered down as a consequence of being neglected, but the ground aspect has immensely more depth since newaza tends to be severely neglected in modern Judo
They're like two halves of the same whole

>>230817
touché

>>230817
I've recently decided that judo is mostly fake
Turning throws aren't real, they're only applicable as counter throws if someone is stupidly pressuring into you and off balances themselves
The simple wrestling based takedowns in jiujitsu aren't as spectacular looking but far more practical

>>230821
>they're only applicable as counter throws if someone is stupidly pressuring into you
And? Reacting to your opponent's actions to improve your own positions is the theory behind virtually all sweeps, passes, back takes, scrambles etc
>wrestling based takedowns in jiujitsu aren't as spectacular looking but far more practical
Leg attacks (double leg, single leg, ankle pick, etc) are simply much more high% than upper body based throws because they involve directly taking away your opponent's base rather than the intricate off-balancing needed for sweeps and hip throws. The reason Judo doesn't use them is because, if my memory serves, the Olympic committee wanted to make it more distinct from freestyle wrestling.
This does not make Judo throws ineffective -they are very effective- but grabbing your opponent's legs is usually the simpler and more straightforward approach

>>230825
Right so here's the point, Judo deliberately stopped using the most effective takedowns objectively To encourage people to do the more exciting to look at but also way less effective take downs
And it's all developed around this kuzushi bullshit Were you grab onto this ridiculous garment that has been specifically engineered to have ergonomic handles placed around the body In critical points of contact to maximize leverage, And drag the person around until they take a misstep and you can throw them

When leg grabbing was on the table people would have to stand with the legs a little bit further band that created natural opportunity for turning throws because their weight was more forward

Now just as kyoshin has developed a posture where they stand upright and go chest to chest in the most unrealistic fighting stance ever, Judo has also developed a ridiculous unrealistic fighting stance, And the entire game revolves around trying to knock the person out of it before you can actually do the moves

In conclusion, judo has been fake and gay since at least 2010

>>230826
>And it's all developed around this kuzushi bullshit Were you grab onto this ridiculous garment that has been specifically engineered to have ergonomic handles placed around the body
Kuzushi is hardly bullshit, off-balancing your opponent is a massively important part of any takedown, wrestling or judo. Hitting a takedown on a stable, prepared opponent is very difficult unless they're half your size or *considerably* worse at wrestling
As for the gi, it's a good enough stand-in for a shirt, hoodie or a jacket and most of the holds can be very easily adapted to no-gi, save for low lapel and front of the belt grips

>>230827
They need to create fake conditions to make it work
In judo its illegal to connect your hands around a person
Why? Its just too effective at totally shutting down judo
And what's the first thing people will do in grappling range?

It's a house of cards

Newfag here trying to get better in everything but it seems a bit overwhelming
>Strength training either 3x/Week (takes a fuck load of time) or 5x/Week Upper lower (Less time but strength training consides with other shit)
>Cardio 2-3x Week
>Rolling 3-4x Week
>500 cal defecit on top because im a fat fuck
My main concern is overlaping of all these going to ruin their gains due to faitguie or other factors?
Is there a program out there or optimal split to improve my strength and cardio along side rolling?

>>230839
As a mid 20s fag I was doing high volume body building 90 minutes, kickboxing, rolling, and running 10ks every day

As a mid 30s fag I roll for 40 minutes 3x a week and need to take a day off in between and do light weights 2-3x a week

Just how it is

>>230839
Coming from someone who used to train up to 12 times a week by combining Judo, BJJ and weightlifting while cycling everywhere:
>vary your intensity levels, avoid doing too many high intensity training sessions multiple days in a row as that's when you tend to get injured
>there should be a significant overlap between rolling and cardio, you can cut one out if need be
>go for low impact cardio that's easy on the joints if at all possible
>incorporate some prehab into your lifting, it really helped my shoulders for example
>you can also get decently strong on 2 lifting sessions a week, I had a total above 500kg/1100lbs on the big three while being around 80kg/175lbs and can still deadlift 4.5plate despite not having touched weights in 6 years
>don't overdo it to avoid injuries and burn out - and don't be harsh on yourself if you overdo it and get injured/burn out, rather take care of yourself and get back into it
>turn training into an enjoyable habit rather than something you must do
>think long term, a few missed training sessions will not matter much over the course of years if you stay consistent
>don't know what levels of fat fuck we're talking, but slower weight loss may result in less loose skin so there's no need to crash yourself unless you're at an acute risk of dying

Tl;dr: enjoy it, stay consistent, take care of yourself

At least, that's how I made it to my late 30's in good shape with a very acceptable number of niggles - golf elbows - and can still train every day if I don't go hard every day.

>>230839
Training that much on a cut is unsustainable, when i started bjj i stopped cutting, just manteinance.

>>230839
you're gonna over train fast. the thing with over training is your just gonna go to sleep feeling on top of the world and then wake up super sick or progressivelt start feeling more like shit over time until you get sick

>>230821
judo is mostly situational. Bjj is more about controlling your opponent. Judo is more about letting your opponent do dumb shit and then maxmimizing in that (minimum effort). it's why certain movements and combos exist.
kouchi gari > opponent moves back > seoi nage

seoi nage > opponent moves to the side out of the throw or blocks it with half hip > kouchi gari. You use your own opponents moves and body against them in judo where as in bjj you use your body against your opponent to do submissions and force them into positions. so it's not that it's fake it's that it has different uses of various situations

>>230855
>maximizing in that
on that*

>>230855
a choke or in pin judo you want your opponent to struggle and become tired so you apply just enough pressure. in bjj you crank the fuck out of them to win and end it ss fast as possible. you hurt your opponent in both the former just wants to hurt them less

>>230821
>I've recently decided that judo is mostly fake
I don't know how you came to that conclusion considering guys in both MMA and no-gi are using more judo now than ever before.

>>230826
They brought back leg grabs for the all-Japan tournament and it didn't make a huge difference.

>>230890
But you see the way judo talks about itself, hit him with the planetrofl, and all the break falls and shit
Then in reality it's exceedingly rare someone gets slammed. It's just mostly tripping them into a scramble

>>230891
>BJJ where there's always mats and slams are illegal
>"it's exceedingly rare someone gets slammed"
you don't say

>>230891
slamming happens all the time
it's just viewed as intentionally hurting your opponent which can get you dq'd the judges care way more about demonstration of control into the ippon than they do about how hard you can throw
in a self defense situation go crazy just know that in the united states excessive force laws apply to citizens just as much as it applies to cops

>>230924
meaning if someone just pushes you and you respond by body slamming them with a seoi nage you're gonna get in some hot water.

anyone else banned from the bjj subreddit

>>230843
The worst is wanting to train more than your body allows. Why did God give me the will and not the means?

>>230855
I really enjoy this analogy. It holds true for most of stand up including wrestling.

When im standing im am being defensive and waiting for opportunities to counter. It's incredibly hard to simply control from standing and lead the entire time. It's more of a dance with feints and smaller attacks/movements until opportunities present themselves.
The moment we hit the deck and I'm on top, I am incredibly methodical and aggressive, aiming to grind control over them and lead the course of the grappling exchange.

Totally different mindset, I'd never really thought about it deeply before.

>>230961
i have to think about it deeply because im kind of slow. Not even fucking with you, it took me a good little bit to learn something basic that my other classmates have already figured out and to me it feels like i had an ephiphany and then i talk about it and im afraid it'll come off as insulting because it took me so long to deeply understand it

>>230976
insulting to the instructor that is.

>>230960
He wants you to overcome the challenges in front of you
Through the use of creatine, electrolyte drink mix, and theragun massages you can reach your potential

>>230960
literally inject trt

>>230766
Most people are fine and the issue lies with some specialists. Trainer is based and approved me getting kimuras and americanas from everywhere.
>>230771
I mean I am at the point where I voluntarily start from bottom side control or intentionally run into people's guard instead of passing and working from there. If they can't work from there, not my problem. We had/have guys who weigh a lot less than me and they do just fine and they tap me frequently.
>Are you the kind of guy to give someone a knee-on-belly CPR for no reason?
No, more like I was in side control, he extended one arm so I could easily go for kesa gatame, went for the position and then he tapped.

man i feel like im the only one who notes that craig jones is like 213lb and gordan ryan is 240/250.
if craig jones lifted and roided like gordan he would surpass him

>>231378
Craig uses steroids too

>>231378
1) >>231379
2) Craig lost to him even when they were both the same weight and (presumably) natty. Though it must be noted it was always close
In any case, I'm pretty sure Craig has all but retired from competition, aside from superfights and whatnot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXVM9eGmwAw
Bros...

order 66 Faris Benlamkadem

https://wikifeet.com/Ffion_Davies

>>232236
How do I make one of these? I've got a lot of Christian Ozbek content

>>230891
judo doesnt talk about itself like that
maybe on social media but in real life bjj acts more like what you're describing which is why so many people complain about bjj in comparison

>>232236
I don't find her attractive, it's wild how a mid looking girl like her gets all this attention becaus of the 50:1 vagina ratio in this sport

>>232236
girl @ my gym was talking about how she's on there and was miffed that her rating was "just ok" feet, I sent her this pic at some point

she's not at all famous and only known by people in our area and hasn't had a pro fight in like a decade

>>232250
Ffion is an amazingly beautiful woman, wtf are you on about, I'm all about her

there's a girl at my gym that i really like
it's over

>>232252
Pointy European features

>>232259
fuck off mutt

>>232250
Do not disrespect my queen again. You've been warned

>>232296
I will bully her forever

>>227622
Why are you people like this
What if the guy doing the sub has the knife
You're actively losing consciousness and the guy has a free hand

>>232672
what if the guy bein subbed threw up on you and shit himself and had AIDS
then you'd have to smell his shit, be covered in his vomit and get TESTED for AIDS

>>226080 (OP)
How long would it take me to learn martial arts? Aside from some rinky dinky kickboxing place run by who knows who, there are no decent places to learn a striking martial art where I live. It would be a shame to spend a couple years learning kickboxing from someone who is relatively a dumbass when it comes to kickboxing. I think my best bet would be to learn boxing (not kickboxing) due to local limitations. There is a brazilian jiu-jitsu place where I live, and it seems to be pretty decent and popular.

How long would it take to learn bjj to a point I'd be a fairly competent fighter? How much would I have to train specific to bjj? (I already lift.) How much time would I be investing? How likely would I be to injure myself, and how would I prevent injury?

>>232698
You're all over the place dude
>How long would it take me to learn martial arts?
Depends on how athletic you are. If you're here, I take it you aren't at all. That's a year lost, and it's not only about muscle, if you're a couch potato it's going to take a while to get used psychologically and neurologically to fighting.
>How long would it take to learn bjj to a point I'd be a fairly competent fighter?
Back to my first question. I'd say a couple of years of constant training will make you competent to a limited degree. Doesn't mean shit for self defense.
Next two questions are basically the same thing. Lay off the meth pipe.
>How likely would I be to injure myself,
You sound retarded and not focused. Very likely.
>and how would I prevent injury?
By not training with people like you.
Don't get assmad with this fag. I'm just telling you how it is. After a while you will learn to enjoy the process and cherish your time on the mat or ring, beyond being an obsessed sperg with da streetz or cheap plastic medals

>>232698
The gi is the primary cause of injuries in bjj
Don't let anyone try to fool you otherwise

>>226080 (OP)

I didn’t know 4chan had a BJJ page. Did you guys watch IBJJF worlds or nah. I’m watching Wardzinski’s run right now and early in his first match has a nice gripping sequence where his opponent gets his lapel, and makes a grip that’s pretty strong for flattening the guy out to pass the guard. But, Wardzinski pulls the elbow up to drag the grip up above the shoulder, so the lapel flops around instead of pushing the shoulder to flatten him out. While the opponent is stuck on the bad grip, Wardzinski gets his own grip, a cross collar with top hand position, and it quickly turns into a butterfly sweep. Idk if anyone else cares about this shit but hopefully someone else here will sperg out with me.

>>232707
unfuckingironically yes.
The pressure from an arm bar or kimura has nothing on some retards undone gi rubbing against your cornia. that shit hurts and if it rubs hard enough can cause some actual damage

>>232726
gayest post on 4chan award

>>232726
I've thumbed my eye before so the lapel unironically does bad things to my eye on occasion
That said the true injury comes from
>Extremity gets caught in gi
>Someone moves crazy relative to the caught extremity
>Extremity leaves the body behind
Other than that the eye thing is more people who try to smother from mount or some shit

>>232708
I wish I could tell you but I'm too stingy to get a flograappling subscription

>>232708
Gi grappling is so boring

>>232889
go off queen, happy pride

>>232889
so fun*

>>232894
>pride

OSS, porrada

>>232889
I don't like the slip and slide so gi for me.

Anyone else think wrist locks are hilarious?

>>232936
They're good
Ban them all you want but they're the closest we'll ever get to segal bullshit being real
Huge reactions and results for minimal effort

>>232941
no one bans them besides at white belt and kids

>>232946
Fair I guess
At my gym we have a black belt who broke a girls wrist in her first session
I don't frown upon the act but the context, as I think I'm pretty good at doing this sort of goofy kungfu hand to brace my wrist against any attempts

Craig Jones is a drug addicted homosexual and he is making a mockery of the sport. How can we stop him?

>>232979
You sure about that?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uuzzt30xPeA

>>232976
blackbelts of all people shouldn't be hurting anyone especially women & kids, that's pathetic.

>>232993
that sounds normal as shit for bjj especially when you poke your head deeper into the bjj sphere. It's just riddled to brim with intense egotism and a clusterfuck of fake """"honor""""

>>232995
and fake humility

>>232995
bjj is full of faggots yeah
I got one guy mad at me right now for no reason actually

>>232979
I just want to see him fight for real again with someone strong, not that shit like last cji.

>>232936
i love wrist locking women

getting tired of how stupid and bullshit promotions are.
All these instructors talk about demonstrating humility, and mat time and then rank people off of winning and losing practice. this is getting really frustrating. Some wrestler got promoted to blue and they've only been here two months.

>>233024
I"m at a place where they only promote you if they like you, I think a lot of places are like that

>>233015
Calm down Jay Rod

>>233024
Current situation at my place is its time based
Everyone is on the same track regardless of their work ethic
As long as you're showing face once a week and making marginal improvements you're moving at the same rate as someone there every day and working hard

It's very gay and going to cause a revolt because people are really noticing now the way people aren't getting what's owed to them

>>233027
this is just starting to feel stupid

>>233027
Who cares, belts are meaningless, some combat sports don't even ahve them

I know it’s banned from competition for good reason, but is it safe to try the scissor throw on a willing partner how knows it’s coming for demonstration purposes? Is there some way to brace yourself in practice to take it safely in a demonstration?

>>233093
If they know it's coming and know how to fall then its ok
Falling backwards with a scissor throw is fairly safe, although there is still a small possibility of your knee getting hyperextended if your opponent is being particularly vigorous with the throw.
The main danger is that if you try to resist and instead fall forwards on your knees, you'll end up calf-slicing yourself with your full weight, which is what leads to breaks and blown out knees

>>233093
Yeah just do the version with your hands on the ground not the one where you use your weight.

>>233091
They all have rankings, a hierarchy will form even if you don't wear it
You wrestle? Highschool? Varsity? College? D1? all american? Etc
In highschool you'll put a safety pin on your jacket every time you pin someone in a competition

So it's not that skill categories and ranks don't exist, the belt is just a way to represent it

>>233091
belts arent entirely meaningless and people are more willing to listen to you if you out rank them

>>233128
>"Oh this guy is a purple belt, maybe he has some good advice that help me get my first stripe"

Are belts sour grapes, the people saying they don't matter already have it or are so far away it's not worth thinking about

>>233027
I"ve been at blue for 2-3 years and no stripes :/

>>233091
i wish bjj didn't have belts, would take away a lot of th drama

comps should be like nogi with beginner intermediate advanced and based around that

>>233110
That one is still sketchy and it's still a reap

>>233189
it also leads to a lot of under estimation of peoples abilities and knowledge.
Ive had people ag the same rank as me thing we're at exact same level knowledge wise simply because we have the same belt color.
here's a realistic scenario.
You're about to roll with a blue belt a persons usual first line of thinking is that said blue belt must not be as skilled as you because you're a purple belt. The reality could be the blue belt is a highly skilled competitive blue belt that competes regularly and makes podium placements and you're a purple belt that has never competed. that blue belt is either gonna go really hard or respect rank and take it easy because they're aware that others may not be aware that they compete
it's really rare to meet the former

>>233197
>it's really rare to meet the former
i mean latter sorry
brain sharted out

>>233197
The belt level should account for competitions
I think it's a weird cope thi 2 tiered system of "competitor" and hobbyists
The "competitors" are hobbyists too, unless you're out there doing EBI and fight pass for money you're not a competitor

A purple belt should beat blue belts consistently whether they compete or not, and if someones a purple belt that can't do that their teacher promoted them too fast

World masters is a walk on tournament, you don't need to qualify for it
Most of the people competing in it don't even compete any other time of the year they just go to that one tournament

The expectation if you are carrying a belt is you should be able to go into any tournament you don't need to specifically qualify for and hang with the other people in your division

>>233200
you're confusing mastery vs mastery dude. if it was as binary as you claimed it was we literally wouldnt even be talking about stuff like this. The only reason it even gets brought up is because it has happened before

>>233201
it's like when blue belts get smashed by a fucking white belt snd then tou turn around and find out the white belt is an ex d1 wrestler. Blue belts should be consistently beating white belts as if they're unstoppable masters is a fallacy

>>233203
A blue belt genuinely should not be getting smashed by a d1 wrestler
Taken down sure, so that's 2 points for the wrestler
Everything else that happens should be easy work for the blue belt

>>233204
you live in a fantasy land

>>233200
I tried telling this to someone who is in their 20s and competes a lot, he tried calling me a hobbyist and dude so are you, unless this pays your bills, you're a hobbyist.

>>233210
Through what mechanism would the wrestler be able to win in a submission grappling context?
They can't pass the guard, they can't do submissions, they will habitually expose their backs

>>233214
>BJJ is the ultimate martial art!1!1!1!1!1

>>233215
Jesus, is this a 150lb guy in absolutes or something?
Also why did he keep scrambling back to his feet? It should've been obvious after the second slam that he wasn't going to outwrestle the other guy

>>233215
Ok now answer the question instead of posting a video of 2 guys goofing around

>>233188
fuck stripes bro… youre an adult.

>>233214
retarded question bruh

>>233215
but you dont know about his jiu jitsu!!1!1!1

>>233219
yeah i know
i kinda like not having them because they come off

>>233222
exactly! you will get to purple eventually bro… just keep showing up and make some friends along the way. Belts dont matter, but it does at the same time. white to blue felt good, blue to purple meant more and I almost cried. The most difficult part for me was what happened outside the mats

>>233220
Tell me the answer then

See here's the problem. Everyone around here is inexperience and thinks d1 wreatling is some kind of super elite status and it's not

>>233224
not elite but not insignificant. depending on the athletic status and their awareness of the rules its entierly possible for them to be a pain in the fucking ass for a blue belt work with, even with little to no bjj experience. They can scramble to good positions, lock hard when up on points, stand up, easily takedown and score

>>233214
Let's be honest, a blue belt guard generally isn't much to look at. Give a D1 wrestler a few basic do's and don't and they'll have a field day going up against most blue belts. Not to mention that guard may not even come into play someone's smart about their takedowns.

>>233225
according to that anon it's extremely insignificant to his elite bjj skills that he developed without competeing or doing drop ins at different schools he's totally a skilled fighter and it's totally not that he's gotten good at fighting the same people every class he totally hasnt over estimated his abilities as a grappler

>>233225
There's approximately 2400 active d1 wrestlers
There's 10s of thousands of people with that level of ability walking around
One or two walk through the doors every year to try out class
And in my experience they get fucked up by the blue belts and don't come back because their ego can't handle it
And now here's the thing if they walk in and want to be treated like high level grapplers then I will treat them like high level grapplers, Which means attacking the shit out of their legs and sending submissions with balls behind it

If they want to come in humble as white belts then they can enjoy that treatment instead
I'm not going to tolerate them doing heavy collar ties, snap downs, and blast doubles then throw a birch fit and cry because their ankle got cranked on

>>233226
A jiujitsu player should assert the same level of dominance under their rules as the wrestler would in a wrestling match
If he can't do that he shouldn't have his belt yet
Every tactical decision the wrestler makes will be the wrong one, if you're not experienced enough on that alone to win in your own rules you got problems

>>233231
you're assuming white belts are humble lol most people know fuck aboht the etiquette of martial arts schools they're going to be the least humble in your class and ask questions that will piss you off
t. was on the recieving end as a white belt
get your head out your ass

>>233234
Lots of white belts suck and need to be buck broken
But that's usually when it's babbys first martial art. There's a higher standard if you've been in the system for how you should behave

>>233237
make up your mind

>>233230
im getting that vibe…

>>233231
>in muh experience
well since we are on anecdotals as support for argument, I was at a comp today and saw a wrestler blast through to the finals in the open intermediate no gi division… he had some bbj training but he won on wrestling and that was his vread and butter. I think you are wrong in asserting that a blue belt should be able to deal with a d1 level wrestler consistently as a general requirement

>>233242
something i learned very quickly at my first drop in that i was invited too is that i am not as good as i think i am.
It really brought to light how much super strict bjj schools that dont allow cross training at other schools are holding their students back skill wise. They're only able to see as much of the mountain as their instructor is letting then and they're only able to climb as much as their allowed to

>>233244
it's called the dunning kruger effect.

>>233241
I haven't said anything inconsistent
White belts can go to heck and so can rasslers that walk into a different sport and expect to immediately run things because they did a superficially similar sport
>>233244
That's a real problem if people are getting blue belts as a participation trophy

>>233245
valuable lesson indeed. if a gym is unreasonably strict like that is usuall a sign of the instructors insecurities. If a instructor cannot see the value that cross training can bring in the long term i would say its a dead end. if youre afraid of losing students that go sporadically to other gyms then that might be a good place to reflect on why…

>>233252
of course thats an issue, but if your reasoning behind judging if a blue belt got a trophy belt is based on performance against another skilled grappler I would personally say your metrics is off by a bit…

>>233254
It's a knock against the teacher more than anything
You get what you get, but when I got a blue belt I really sucked because my teacher sucked and didn't give a shit
When I got a new teacher he said I was a fool (in regards to my jiujitsu ability)
I've been to a lot of places and I see there's 2 tiers out there, there's the fools like I was and the competents like I became
You see competent blues beating up on fool browns, and it's not because they compete or anything it's because of bad teachers with low standards
Its a disgrace some people I've seen get belts over the years

If you're an out of shape middle age family man then you get some leeway with the amount of ability you're expected to have at each belt level
But if you're under 30 with no kids or anything you better be good if you have a colored belt on

>tore my ACL, still went jiu jitsu
>fuck up my miniscus, still went jiu jitsu
>had surgery for my ACL, torn it again, still went jiu jitsu
>got epilepsy, still went jiu jitsu despite having a seizure at the gym
>every time I roll, it's like battling the seizures over the actual rolling itself.
>every time I go to the gym I the only thing on my mind is the fear of spazing again, leading me into having another spazz

Should I just get into judo? Is that less intense? That would fuck up my ACL though no? Maybe I'm doomed to become a fucking golfer.

It's sad because once jiu jitsu was the thing that stopped me from wanting to kill myself. Now it's the thing that makes me want to kms.

>around 6 million people who dedicate their lives to jiu jitsu
>The Ju-Jitsu International Federation (JJIF) lists 49 countries as part of its network
>great level of competition between countries, with countries that dominate in the sport universally, that would be a treat to see who can provide the best grapplers
>wrestling is in the olympics, judo is in the olympics, boxing is in the olympics, isn't jiu jitsu more popular than some of these?

Some examples of retarded sports that have been/are practiced in the olympics-

- Tug of war
- Hot air balooning
- Live pigeon shooting
- Ski ballet
- Break dancing (as pictured)

how the fuck is BJJ not in the olympics and where can we sign a petition to acc do this

>>233323

>>233323
No real international ruling body (one that anyone gives a fuck about anyway), so there's no standardization to rules, rankings, teaching etc
I expressed this in a prior thread, but I really wish IJF adopted BJJ under its wing as "submission grappling" or w/e, because they're an actual competent organization that has its shit together.

>>233231
If I want an easy roll, I'll pick the average blue belt over a D1 wrestler any day.

>>233323
Because the only organisation pushing for that is the IBJJF, which is run on a for-profit basis while also advocating a form of the sport - the gi - that's even more boring as a spectator sport. Now I personally train in both equally often, but let's be real here, most gi matches are horribly boring.

>>233328
unpopular take (feel free to call me retarded I'm very self aware)- I actually prefer GI matches than nogi. I feel like they're more violent and brutal. Nogi kinda feels too close to wrestling but less dynamic without the cool slams.

>>233326
I do think the BJJ scoring system is a bit outdated and I think should be focused on submissions, as it would force contestants to be more on the attack instead of trying to stay on half gaurd etc. I seriously think you could get extremely, extremely entertaining matches if you were to just stick two dudes (or girls) onto the mats and see them battle it out until one can get the better of the other. You can even make it more skill determining by having the contestants keep going day by day until one of them wins 3 matches.

I'd fucking love that. Let it become a battle ground.

>>233115
Yeah but belts with stripes it's too much, too many ranks, i saw people with 2 stripes white correcting zero stripes white because they think they are superior, it's retarded.

>>233328
>If I want an easy roll, I'll pick the average blue belt over a D1 wrestler any day.
Does an easy roll necessarily mean a roll you're more likely to win?
I've heard wrestlers are a pain in the ass to roll with because they're almost always very strong and explosive and not afraid to leverage that advantage - so even a roll with a jiujitsu player that you lose might feel easier than one with a wrestler that you win
I've never rolled with a wrestler but it would roughly match my experience in rolling with a purple belt close to my size vs a white belt that has 60lbs on me

>>233323
sports named after a country are not allowed in the olympics
it also wouldnt be a good addition as it has all the same qualities as wrestling just submissions added.
>leg grabs
>take downs
>judo throws
>judos ne-waza
you'd just be watching an odd version of judo and the entire reason ijf banned leg grabs is because olympic judges said it looked like squared up wrestlinv

>>233320
>Should I just get into judo? Is that less intense?
brother, your ACL is going to explode
have you tried taking time off and actually rehabbing yourself? you're going to keep fucking yourself up if you just ignore every injury you get

>>233320
welcome to martial arts
hollywood portrayals of martial arts are pure fiction
this shit is all about become a better person through internal and external suffering whether it's physical injury or high emotions. I fucking love it and hate it at the same time. No amount of telling someone how martial arts is can prepare them for how stupid this shit can get.
Some people even die doing martial arts or get seriously crippled
joe rogan told a story of why he quit tkd.
He kicked someone so hard they collapsed there and then. He told his instructor he didnt think the guy would recover and that he died. His instructor flatout told him "sometimes they do" imply he's either did the killing himself or he's witnessed others do it.
This shit isnt exclusive to striking arts
grappling arts can lead to serious life ruining injuries. Jack Greener recently won his court case where a bjj instructor rode his back while he was in turtle causing him to neck bridge and crush multiple vertibrea on his spine. The guy was a quadrapalegic for a very long time and now has to walk with assistance.
You can still get head trauma from judo if you dont breakfall correctly and break serious ligaments like acl lcl and mcl.
Even if this is your hobby if paired with someone who cares very little for safety and more about winning you can very well become a lifelong parapalegic or die

>>233352
>Jack Greener recently won his court case where a bjj instructor rode his back while he was in turtle causing him to neck bridge and crush multiple vertibrea on his spine
if i recall jack greener even told the instructor he wasnt that familiar with turtling

>>233353
but the instructor said to do it anyway

>>233323
We don't actually want this, the Olympics kills every sport it touches
We're so much better off just doing house rules the way we are now
The reason we even use house rules at every tournament is universally everyone agrees the ibjjf rules are awful and those will be the ones that get used

>>233332
Correct take

>>233353
That case was a shit show, Rener Gracie appeared to be a parasite and say its industry standard to keep white belts in different groups from non-white belts and not doing so is negligent
This is because his gym's segregate and don't allow white belts to roll, and he wanted to make it so insurance companies will not ensure people that don't follow his model

But the guy that got paralyzed did apparently have a few years of wrestling experience so he was not a completing office to grappling
However looking at the video it was totally the instructor's fault for doing such a reckless move on him

Now the instructor with the 57 million dollar judgment against him is running a gym in Ecuador so he isn't going to have to pay it anyway

>>233375
>a gracie family member is a dogshit human being
no fucking way are you serious
they cant ALL be like this?(they're all like that)

>>233378
None are redeemable

>>233352
it's funny because I went to BJJ after fucking myself up from boxing and muay thai. I thought to myself because there isn't a lot of head trauma in BJJ I should be okay. Day after day I'd come back home with bruises all over my face but it felt so good, I almost felt immortal.

I think in many ways becoming a cripple (I use a cane now 1/4 of the time), and a spastic helped me accept that I don't have to do this any more. That it's okay. And in many ways I felt relief, still do. But deep down, it's a stabbing pain in my heart telling me that I always could've done more.

That Jack Greener case is a hard one. On the one case it's wild a black belt could allow a situation like that to happen, on the other thats the risk of doing MMA.

>>233344
my ACL is gone. I waited and done a whole year of fucking recovery. Kept telling my physio that it doesn't feel strong. 'You have to trust it! Go do football or whatever sport it is that you do!' Thought I'd take it chill and 'throw some hoops' as the brothers say. First match I tried participating in, not even 5 minutes in, I hear it snap and know right then and there it's fucked. Went to the doctor he said it feels like a tear, MRI says it can't rule it out. And yeah I realise now how retarded the judo comment sounds. Motherfuckers literally flip each other backwards, might as well wrestle.

Games the game. You either cum in the sink or sink in the cum. I took up drawing because I don't know what the fuck else to do.

>>233375

>Now the instructor with the 57 million dollar judgment against him is running a gym in Ecuador so he isn't going to have to pay it anyway

actually fucking diabolical

>>233378
what's the lore?

>>233402
Helio was legitimately a card carrying fascist in the 30s

Weird how everyone has that picture on him standing in front of that red flag with a black lightning bolt design and doesn't even question it

>>233402
When one of the gracies lost to a wrestler they cornered him in an alley and broke his legs with a led pipe that's one of the ones i remembered off the top of my head. A lot of the toxic bjj culture unironically comes from the gracies
the gracies are also notoriously known for taking shortcuts and ranking themselves.
Having given themselves black belts in bjj and judo.
Helio gave himself a 10th degree red belt in bjj

>>233427
they didnt even get their black belts
they quit early as shit and then gave them to themselves and opened their own schools where they taught ground work
they're literally just a family of lazy thugs and conartists

>>233429
carlos never even ranked under their original instructor who taught them jjj/judo they ranked themselves and fucked off.

>>233430
bjj isnt even an original martial art it's stolen as it's just the ground game from JJJ which is the same ground game from judo. If you ever hear old school martial artists say that bjj is just judo that's because it literally is as the ground work from bjj and judo come from JJJ
the gracies managed to con an entire country into thinking that bjj is an original concept invented by a big family.
It's admirable to an extent

>>233431
and no one is gonna question it when you have people winning mma tournaments from round one to the final using just bjj

>>233432
A lot of the gracies fame came from challenge fights and dojo storms which they would usually win(dojo storms fighting dirty as shit using punches instead of just pure technique and bjj like what people expect nowadays) similar to what you see nowadays with people posting videos of bjj not working if they lost a ton the instant they won one singular match they'd just double down on it in the same light of ONE good bjj video and say "see bjj works". The gracies also have a horrible habit of poking bears and giants.
They beat sakuraba once and sakuraba was pissed and proceeded to beat half the family using japanese wrestling and judo in matches before they jsut fucked off from challenging him completelt.
Helio challenged a legendary judoka once and literally pissed himself from an ude gatame before passing the fuck out

>>233433
here's a good example
>bjj is better than karate
>they storm a karate dojo
>they challenge the instructor
>they open up with a punch instead if a fucking takedown
>instead of ending with a submission they'd just go into mount and punch the fuck out of the instructor
>"SEE BJJ IS BETTER"

>>233427
Partly correct, they didn't break his legs but I think they beat him up with a metal box or something, then broke him arm. The person in question being Rufino Dos Santos
>>233429
>>233430
I believe Carlos was a blue belt in Judo

But yeah, they were pieces of shit. Though to their credit, they did start a good thing regardless of their actual contribution to it

tl;dr Need more experienced guys takes on gi vs nogi and between the two, how much stays with you after a multi-week long break

I got a dilemma. I have a pretty cool job that has me travelling for 5-6 weeks in the spring, and 5-6 weeks in the fall (roughly). So total of around 11-12 weeks away from training throughout the year, majority coming in two significant chunks.

I've been doing Gi BJJ since Jan 2024. Have had a couple sicknesses and two of these work trips in there. So I just hit class 100. I have two total subs. One against a lady blue belt in her 40's, and another against a thick guy, three stripes, who may or may not have cardio tapped/given it to me. Both NS Kimuras. Other than that, I get compliments on my pressure and some of my defensive skills from blues and purples and even higher whites, but my offensive game is pretty clearly dogshit with my lack of.....anything legit. I know of three or four things: Kimura, Americana, take the back and try to choke em, try to run the chain of triangle-americana-razor armbar-regular armbar from guard. And thats about it offensively. Never pulled em off though, even against guys newer than me.

This fucking sucks. I have to assume I have two issues, my schedule being the most important. From talking to one person, its probably setting me back in a huge way, where I can survive for 2, maybe 3 mins against most people because my defensive skills and athleticism aren't going away, but my offense is disappearing into nothingness every time I take a work trip and I basically have to start from scratch.

This person recommended that I switch to the nogi/wrestling class at my gym immediately. Said its so less grip dependent that the breaks won't fuck me over as much, and my pressure game/athleticism would help me a lot more, and the submissions are all big time high percentage stuff that would even translate well over to gi.

It almost *seems* too good to be true for my highly specific situation. What do you guys think?

>>233507
Gi is a dumb gay crutch where you manipulate someone's clothes, an ergonomically designed garment with strong gripping handles deliberately built into it at that

Nogi is using your body to directly control someone else's body, often in the worst possible conditions when it's wet and slippery
No grips and friction to lie to yourself about your grappling ability with


Ermm but you need to learn how to deal with someone grabbing your clothes too!
Well for one I don't walk around with a bathrobe on which is the closest approximation to that ridiculous costume people actually wear with its inverted collars and belt around the outside
And secondly no you fucking don't
There's a 0% chance some retard is going to actually grab meaningful grips on your clothes that stop you from doing what you want to them. If anything it's helpful, If their hands are tugging on your T-shirt that means they aren't punching you or grabbing for stuff. Literally just ignore them and drop elbows into their mouth

Tl;Dr gi jiuitsu isn't even grappling, it's a larping exercise that gives you no actual fighting ability

>>233515
Oh I've heard this argument before lol. I can't really say I disagree, but I still suck too much to start piping up with takes like that.
I've been in a couple IRL fights and nobody ever bothered with any kind of grips like what is routine shit in gi. Could it happen? Sure. Odds don't seem too good though.

My main concern is being able to get offense going in a grappling sport. With my 2x a year 6 weeks off schedule, my offense disappears into the shadow realm by the time I am back and I have to start from scratch. I get compliments from higher belts on top pressure, getting underhooks in, athleticism and constant movement, but my grips are trash, grip breaking is trash and my offensive gameplan consists mostly of "????????" and "idk lol".

It seems like a "simplified" but more realistic, more athletic, less grips based system would really help. Not totally solve the problem, but minimize it a lot at least.

tl;dr I want to get to the point where I can just straight up agree with you, fuck the gi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RylRGGK6XvY

your thoughts on how we can combat this?

>>233523
Oof I did not know that's what he looked like

Canadian bjj scene is awful, it's dripping with that smug early-mid 2010s liberalism
It's all about inclusion and smashing the patriarchy
Since Canada doesn't actually have a culture of its own it just inherits what was popular in the US 15 year later
Best to ignore them

>>233520
Just watch all the free pritt mickelson and Chris paines defensive bjj shit online, also Charles harriott has related stuff too
Realize how bjj doesn't actually work and then enjoy both being completely untappable while everyone else copes and yells at you for doing jiujitsu wrong while also not being able to beat you

>>233515
do you people live in a third world or something?
>GI SUCKS BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT WEAR CLOTHES IRL

>>233552
seems like you're the third worlder with those reading skills.
the gi sucks because its unreliable. You don't know if someone who wants to fight you is wearing heavy material like that. Idk if you've noticed, but most dudes wear some variant of tshirt, polo, or button up out when its not jacket weather. Sure, you could grab someone's polo collar, or jeans or some shit and whip em around. It might rip or it might not, but the key thing left unsaid is: why not just train in the style that doesn't make those assumptions in the first place?

>>233552
You more likely to get into a fight wearing a business suit or a naked sweaty crack head?
In the winter when people have coats on and are also staying indoors and driving everywhere
Or in July on a beach when everyone is drinking and out in the sun for too long?

It's just not logical

>>233552
You can do no gi throws to people with clothes, it's irrelevant, no one is going to try a lapel choke on you with your jacket.

>>233688
im not responding because im fucking retarded and you guys won
yes this is the samefag

>>233703
Good, now go throw your gi away and call your instructor a fag for ever making you wear it in the first place
And watch as he can't do anything about it because you don't have a gi on

>>233707
kek

>>233507
The issue is not time off, the issue is your knowledge. You need to develop a real understanding of concepts and techniques if you're ever going to get good. Try to really identify specific problems you're having, and work through them with your coach or instructional material:
>I almost had this kimura but he did ____ and I lost it
>every time I go for an armbar they ____ and Idk what to do
>I was taught sweep xyz but when I try it, it never works, can you show me what's going wrong?

With that being said, gi is gay and I fucking hate it. I trained both gi and no-gi for the first 3 years, and exclusively no-gi for the last 4. No desire to go back to the gi.
>t. purple belt at one of the most famous no-gi gyms in the world

Thanks dude. Yeah I the responses I've gotten have been overwhelmingly in favor of switching to nogi, so whether its the time off or not, I'm gonna switch.

I think we're kinda agreeing. I think my big question would be, does nogi lend itself to learning more fundamental concepts easier? Without having to worry too much about the grip chains and related stuff (which I am BAD at, worst part of my game), I'm hoping other fundamentals become more front and center and rammed into muscle memory that won't go away as quickly. Or am I just fantasizing here?

>>233715
Not just that but it's better for longevity
The meme always has been old timers like the gi because it slows them young bucks down, but as we've gone over its just because they crutched on the gi for so long and neglected their nogi control fundamentals so they aren't able to do it
Now people are coming around to the realization that the gi destroys your body way worse because all the extreme pressure people can generate by pulling on it doesn't happen in nogi, it's way gentler actually

And now the principles of grappling don't change based on if you have a gi or not, But what the gi allows you to do is sort of fudge the physics

For example if you want to control someone's rotation you need to create a diagonal wedge across their body and occupy space under one or both of their elbows

In nogi you have to physically use your body to occupy that space and make connections in some way
In gi you just conveniently grab the handles that the person put around their neck and death grip it with your fingers
They are accomplishing the same thing but in the gi version you never actually engaged with the mechanism responsible for what you're trying to accomplish on an intellectual level

>>233703
To be fair i have done judo before bjj, i'm just tired of wearing medieval japanese clothes while evryone is fighting half naked (no homo), it takes a second to adapt to nogi; the brazilian retard also make us wear the belt even when doing nogi which is absolutely retarded and i hate him.

>>233515
>gi jiuitsu isn't even grappling, it's a larping exercise that gives you no actual fighting ability
How come there are a bunch of gi-only guys who do great in no-gi but not the other way around?

>>233566
>naked sweaty crack head?
>Or in July on a beach when everyone is drinking and out in the sun for too long?

>no-gi guys purposely seek fights with naked sweaty people

>>233798
How is he go only? His entire strategy at cji was to use explicitly banned gi techniques
He didn't do anything other than reap and heel hook the entire night

>>233828
He worded it wrong, but gi specialists generally do ok even in no-gi. Honestly unless your game is built entirely around gi-specific shit like worm guard and baseball chokes, the difference isn't that big

>>233829
>gi specialists generally do ok even in no-gi
Where is the evidence for this

>>233830
Didn't like half of Atos's roster have pretty notable achievements in gi before they transitioned to no-gi?

>>233832
Nogi had traditionally been an afterthought, everybody was a gay guy (autocorrect, Im not fixing it lol) and they would just compete against each other in nogi as a secondary thing
The skill ceiling was equally low for everyone participating

Even prolific nogi guys like Gordon wore the gi until purple
This is the first generation of people who are fully homegrown day one nogi only and the gay people aren't even in the conversation now

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