Anybody ever do Daito Ryu? There's a place like 10 minutes away where some autist from Japan teaches it and I'm interested in checking it out. I did MMA for a couple years so I'm not worried about the practicality of it or self defense bullshit, I've already scratched that itch. I just want to know if it might be fun. Obviously, the best thing to do is to just take a class, but in the meantime I was wondering if anybody had any experience with this shit.

Never tried Daito Ryu personally but I have practiced Hapkido for a couple years, which is partly derived from it. Dunno how practical the standing joint locks and throws are altogether, but since you already have a decent foundation in MMA you could probably pull them off better than most. It's at least worth trying out for the breakfalls and improved balance, but then again you'd also get that out of Judo. Other than that it looks like a fun activity, and that's the most important thing for any pastime in my book, martial arts included. And since it's only 10 min away, why not give it a go? If it's a free trial class, worst case scenario you lose some of your time :D

>>231061 (OP)
You'll pick up some techniques and approaches that are practical, but the biggest problem with Daito Ryu, and most Asian "arts", is the fact that the techniques all evolve around fighting somebody in old school Jap armor...which is about 300 years out of date.

Regardless, some of the benefits imo:
1. break falls - similar to Judo, but more dynamic
2. mind / body coordination - big emphasis on using your core in conjuntion with your limbs for "soft" power.
3. learning standing grappling and joint lock techniques - the basics are actually pretty practical and can be applied in real world situtaions against most untrained people which can end a confrontation without the need to escalate to blows.

Give it a shot imo.

>>231061 (OP)
yes, my mma & ninpo teacher has a 3rd degree black belt in it and occasionally will teach random classes on it here and there. It's fun. It is actually a realistic and effective grappling art, but of course if your sensei has no real combat experience, that is irrelevant. Go ahead and give it a shot.

>>232317
>but more dynamic
Can you expand on this please? I've trained judo and parkour and am always interested in learning more about falling safely.

>>233444
Aside from your standard rear and side break falls, they have two forms of a forward breakfall that I didn't get trained in whenver I trained Judo techniques. One is like a diving forward breakfall I never saw during any of my Judo training.

Here's a vid that shows some from Aikido, which is pretty much stolen from Daito-Ruy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeHkpdeyguE

You'll see alot of the sumo guys using these forward breakfall techniques on the hard packed clay surface they fight on, so they're definately practical in the real world and can save your ass.

>>231061 (OP)
It's one of the OG Jiu-Jitsu offshoots that was formalised to prevent it dying out

Problem is Judo is already this, but pared down to
>what works
>can be used safely for sport
>pressure testing system

Aikijujutsu doesn't have live sparring so it might be useful if you're already a good grappler, but basically useless irl otherwise, as I understand it

OP here. I got in touch with the place and they said I could come by for a free class but first they wanted to know if I had any previous martial arts experience. I replied and it's been radio silence ever since (2 weeks) so I think I got ghosted or something. It's a shame because I was pretty interested but too bad I guess.

>>234169
>they said I could come by for a free class
>I think I got ghosted or something
Just show up, you've already been invited. It's possible they forgot to reply or are socially retarded and didn't think they needed to reply once they had their answer.

>>234250
Nah, it was phrased differently. He basically said "yes it is possible to take a free class, but first I would like to know [how you found us + martial arts experience], look forward to hearing from you". If it was a "yeah sure, just come on by" type of message I would have obviously just gone.

>>233901
You've never trained the forward fall? I thought they were a part of the standard Judo/BJJ warmup
In any case, it's just a simple shoulder roll

>>235169
>it's just a simple shoulder roll
In Aikido / Aiki jujitsu they do two types of forward falls, one is like you describe, a simple shoulder roll, but the other is a jumping shoulder roll that I was never taught in Judo.

>>234290
OP here again. The teacher actually reached out today. Apparently my email ended up in the spam folder hence the delayed response and this time I've been invited to come by next week for a lesson. I guess the Daito Ryu saga is still on.

>>235254
So, I just came back from my first lesson. I thought it was alright, had a pretty fun time. Very small group, only 2 other people showed up alongside the teacher and me obviously. I was told 6-7 is about the max group size.
The techniques themselves were pretty interesting. It's a kata based art so there was a bit of "no, attack like this" and if you don't the technique doesn't work. Bit bullshido-y, but I knew that going in.
We did a couple wrist locks type techniques. I was always under the impression that all that stuff was bullshit, but if you manipulate the wrist in even seemingly simple ways it really fucking hurts. I think a lot of it would translate well to handfighting while grappling. Even if you don't snap their wrist it seems like a good way to put pressure on your opponent. Just keep em honest and give you an opportunity to setup other moves.
We also practiced a technique called "ippondori" (I think that's what it's called). It was done in a way where you'd come at your training partner with this large vertical swing and obviously that's bullshit but I can imagine if you're in a russian tie it might be pretty doable (I don't think you'd actually submit anyone with it but again, might be a good setup for something else).
I've only had one lesson obviously so what the fuck do I know, but my first impression is that a lot of the techniques themselves are legit but Daito Ryu just lacks the setup for them because of the kata based training. Kind of like how a right cross (or whatever) is a legit boxing technique, but if you don't learn how to manage distance in sparring, you'll have trouble landing one.
Again, I was more concerned with the fun factor (and training was pretty interesting) rather than the practicality but I'm pleasantly surprised in that regard.
Either way, Daito-Ryu gets a tentative thumbs up (from me for now).

>>236296
>We did a couple wrist locks type techniques. I was always under the impression that all that stuff was bullshit, but if you manipulate the wrist in even seemingly simple ways it really fucking hurts.
These can be solid pain compliance holds if you're a bouncer, etc. and need to escort someone off to the opportunity to make better life choices.
>It was done in a way where you'd come at your training partner with this large vertical swing and obviously that's bullshit
I can't speak specifically to this art or technique but large vertical swings are sometimes meant to represent overhead chops with swords or icepick grip attacks with knives.
>Daito-Ryu gets a tentative thumbs up (from me for now).
Very cool. If you learn new things please share, I don't know anything about Daito-Ryu.

>>236296
>It's a kata based art
Nope. Should be based on providing energy via an attack, which is then avoided, blended with to take advantage of the momentum, and then neutralized. Doesn't sound legit to me dude.
>wristlocks
A lot of the stand up grappling techniques from Daito-ryu are excellent tools to use to de-escalate situtions without the need for actually striking someone. Entering and turning armbar, wrist out-turn ( wrist-lock) and wrist in-turn are effective tools to control someobody without having to strike them. They're also effective follow ups after you deliver a good solid blow as a distraction.
>Large vertical swing
The system developed around fighting in Japanese armor, and to strike, they used those large ass swings and put all their weight behind it to maximize the additional weight of the armor, and they needed all the force they could generate to target opponents who were also in armor. You're not tossing jabs and crosses in Jap armor. Regardless, once you understand the technique and the lines of attack, you'll be able to anticipate and use some of the techniques vs. your typical western strikes. Especiall the looping haymakers that untrained people tend to throw.

Good luck and have fun dude.

>>236639
>Should be based on providing energy via an attack, which is then avoided, blended with to take advantage of the momentum, and then neutralized.
Yeah, that sounds like bullshit to me bro. I'm not a weeb so maybe "kata based" isn't the right term, but you're doing compliant drills with a partner. It's not a "live" art with pressure testing and sparring.
>The system developed around fighting in Japanese armor
That's the lore, but I did some research and Daito Ryu being some samurai art is just a tall tale, just like wing chun being invented by a women to fight bigger opponents. Some guy just made it up one day (which is fine, I don't believe in the lineage bullshit).

>>236640
>>236639
>Nope. Should be based on providing energy via an attack, which is then avoided, blended with to take advantage of the momentum,
That is in no way incompatible with "kata based" arts.
>he system developed around fighting in Japanese armor
Op is right, most historians of the martial arts strongly doubt the traditional narrative.
> Some guy just made it up one day
Mostly true, but Takeda was not some guy. He was by most accounts an expert swordsman and equally considered a genius at grappling. For instance long before daito ryu and even as an old man he loved practicing sumo. and was very good at it despite being small even my Japanese standards. Sumo practice was actually super common in aikido and probably daito ryu in their early days, so the idea those guys never sparred in bullshit. They just separated their sparring (sumo) from their kata practice.

>>236640
>you're doing compliant drills with a partner.
Yea, that's a better definition for sure.
>That's the lore
Pretty much all those old school styles were developed and taught for the samurai class and their leaders, who fought in armor. The peasant spearmen that they lead in battle weren't taught much, and they didn't fight in armor. The techniques were supposed to be as effective when not in armor vs. weaponless opponents as well. Tradition is why there were never updated, and why they still use those same telegraphed attacks that you see in alot of traditional Japanese martial arts.

Meanwhile you have the SE Asian arts, like Muay Thai, that were designed for fighting hand to hand without armor, and for competition, which is why it is far more practical, effective, and more closely resembles the western boxing that dominates stand-up fighting without kicking or takedowns.

>>236973
>Pretty much all those old school styles were developed and taught for the samurai class and their leaders, who fought in armor.
in fact many of them were developed for dueling or even early competitive fencing.
>The peasant spearmen that they lead in battle weren't taught much, and they didn't fight in armor.
They did fight in armor, though it was cheaper and more basic than what higer ranking samurai wore.
> Tradition is why there were never updated,
In many cases they were updated. For example in some schools they preserve multiple different versions of the same kata, including "armored versions" and they also have drills from the Edo period specifically for preparing people for fighting in competitive matches.These drills are just more freeform remixes of the more rigid kata.
>and why they still use those same telegraphed attacks that you see in alot of traditional Japanese martial arts.
Because they were good for teaching people and codifying//passing down teh schools techniques and logic.
> you have the SE Asian arts, like Muay Thai, that were designed for fighting hand to hand without armor, and for competition, which is why it is far more practical, effective, and more closely resembles the western boxing that dominates stand-up fighting without kicking or takedowns.
My history on this is rougher, but Muay Thai is a modern derivative of Muay Boran which looked far more like TMA.

>>232317
>techniques all evolve around fighting somebody in old school Jap armor
You're a fucking retard and don't know dick about martial arts. Most traditional martial art schools were founded post feudal era, long after the last samurai ever wore armor, shit for brains.

>>236973
>Pretty much all those old school styles were developed and taught for the samurai class and their leaders, who fought in armo
>>237206
>many of them were developed for dueling or even early competitive fencing
Only fucking dipshits who don't train or know how to use google would believe this shit. The only martial art that wasnt weapon based employed during the time of the samurai was jujutsu you larping lying sack of shit.

>>236973
>Meanwhile you have the SE Asian arts, like Muay Thai, that were designed for fighting hand to hand without armor
As was every other unarmed japanese TMA. This whole thread you're acting as if it was all samurai shit and it's a fucking lie. Daito-Ryu is just a style of jujutsu and a precursor of Aikido. That's it, stop conflating it with the entirety of japanese arts and pretending like you're not just reading the wikipedia page and pulling shit out your ass.

>>237228
>Most traditional martial art schools were founded post feudal era, long after the last samurai ever wore armor, shit for brains.

By who, dipshit? By the SAME motherfuckers that either trained the samurai classes. or were trained by the trainers of the samurai classes that fought in armor.

Go fuck yourself with a cactus, you spastic faggot.

>>237238
>By the SAME motherfuckers that either trained the samurai classes. or were trained by the trainers of the samurai classes that fought in armor
Most of them have whole generations of separation from anyone that fought in armor and in the case of ones like Karate, they were not connected to any fucking ruling class. You don't know shit about martial arts history & you're just butthurt you're being outed for having nothing more than superficial wikipedia grade knowledge base.

>>237229
>The only martial art that wasnt weapon based employed during the time of the samurai was jujutsu
Yeah, and I was talking mostly about kenjutsu. But jujutsu had a competitive scene as well, and alot of jujutsu schools were for interschool competition or unarmored fighting, not armored combat.

>>237240
>talking mostly about kenjutsu
Why, when the only thing discussed prior was a school of jujutsu? You're admitting that everything you said was irrelevant.

>>237243
I was responding to the comment about old school styles. Many of the comments I made also apply to jujutsu schools. Many postdate the warring states era, and even if they contained some armored grappling it often was not their focus.

>>237239
>Most of them have whole generations of separation from anyone that fought in armor
Who do you think developed it, you stupid fuck? The peasants? The monks? No, the fighting classes. They all had trainers that taught the high ranks techniques to protect them from their rivals and ignorant peasant scum, like you. Eventually, others began to teach what was once taught to commoners for money when the feudal system began to collapse.

You really are a stupid motherfucker.