>>279583977 (OP)Shounen is hated wholesale as much as it is because when it's bad it's not even "there are some hidden gems" bad. Popular Shounen are unironically the good shounen, not the only good shounen to be sure but the whole concept of competing and having merited popularity is alive and well with (most) shounen and this completely fucks with the paradigm everywhere else in anime/manga communities where the goal is to be a throbbing toe-sucking pseud about how obscure your tastes are. Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, HxH, Jojo's, FMA, the list goes on. These are good shows unironically and the insistence on making it some fantasy football pissing contest for which one "won" when they all did in some sense to even be where they are is ridiculous and makes you look like everything the haters say about you.