Thread 279980406

>both started off making experimental projects
>both made a highly-successful series that became a cultural phenomenon
>both went all in on turning their opus into marketable IP slop
>both made follow-up series that shit all over what made the original great
Are they auteurs or hacks?

>>279980406 (OP)
Isnt tomino much closer to george lucas?

>>279980406 (OP)
>experimental projects

>>279980406 (OP)
difference is prequels are kino and rebuilds exposed anno as a fraud. don't bother replying I'm closing this tab.

>>279980442
The latest Tomino stuff is still good, the G-Reco movies are genius. No comparison

>>279980406 (OP)
Expect Gregor also made succesful video game studio and animation studio on top of the movie studio.
Also prequels were legit, normies just have very bad taste.
He also allowed community to expand the universe of his own work instead of relentlessly shitting on his fans.

>>279980442
Tomino never felt the need to go back and revisit his previous works and if anything he's always been vocal about not just lazily redoing what he already did with Gundam

>>279980552
Rebuilds fixed the slop that is Eva. Objectively one of the worst peices of media to exist but the 2deep4u crowd is too scared to admit the whole show is a nothing burger that spits in your face and no amount of retarded headcannon will change that. The writer himself said it's an unfinished piece of garbage and people are making up symbolism where there is none but the manchildren just won't let it go.

>>279980552
Reddit post.

>>279980442
Tomino is more like Coppola.

>>279980715
People like Evangelion because they want to fuck Asuka and Rei. Remove them and Eva would have flopped.

Lucas at least pushed special effects forward, what the fuck has Anno done of that magnitude?

>>279980715
Rebuilds are Eva for dummies, Eva for Shonen Jump readers, Eva for middle class.

>>279980552
I don't like the prequels but they're definitely take more risks than those toothless money grabbers called Rebuilds.

>>279980876
Cope. Rebuilds are his actual vision and not some depression era slop he shit out on a plate that normies of the 90s ate up like a free buffet. Og Eva will forever be a forgotten relic of the past Rebuilds are superior in every way. Keep clinging to the old dated version as much as you want you can't change reality.

>>279980442
Are you insane? Tomino has directed so many different one-off series it makes these two look like Disney content bots.
Fuck off.

>>279980942
>Rebuilds are superior in every way.
Most people haven't watched them. No one makes edits of them, no memes, no clips on YouTube. OG Eva is the only one with cultural relevance.

>>279980406 (OP)
Anakin becomes Vader because he wanted to protect his family and that same instinct is what redeemed him at the end the prequels help improve on the originals in that regard it’s like pottery

>>279981186
This.
This doesn't make episode I or II good, though. Only III is good.

>>279981089
>spongebob is the best media ever made because it has more clips memes and edits than any other franchise
Do you see how retarded you sound. I couldn't care less about who's watched a masterpiece they're the ones missing out not me.

I liked Shin Godzilla. Felt like live action Eva, the original one.

>>279980406 (OP)
>>both went all in on turning their opus into marketable IP slop
Evangelion doesn't have any games on par with Star Wars games published by LucasArts

>>279980552
>prequels are kino
t. Zoomie who fell for Disney damage control

>>279980406 (OP)
OT is a dogshit fairytale for the kids willed with cringe rubber toys. PT fucks.

>>279980406 (OP)
Peter jackson and some literal who?

>>279981313
You got backwards, dipshit.

>>279981295
Disney would have built a prequel section in Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge if Disney cared about prequels
It's just older zoomer nostalgia

>>279980942
You only like the Rebuilds because they dunked on shippers, which is a fair sentiment to have, but no one is going to treat it seriously.

>>279980406 (OP)

Leiria Matsumoto is more George Lucy's than Anno

>>279981451
They didn't even make Galaxy's Edge OT. Disney is fucking insane.

>>279981279
You know, I wonder why Anno didn’t sign off on other people working on Eva projects sooner like Lucas did with Star Wars.

>>279980942
>and not some depression era slop
Creatives often don't understand the appeal of their own work. And making a follow-up series when your attitude towards the original is embarrassment instead of pride is a recipe for a disaster. And it happens all the time too. Look at how many times Lucas edited the original trilogy, often with changes that are objectively detrimental. Creatives become obsessed with the idea of fixing their original work, often not understanding that the perceived "flaws" were actually strengths.

The end result is four Evangelion films that most people haven't watched, and those who watched them were either indifferent, or hated them entirely. It's ironic in a way: in spite of the final movie's message, it's Anno who spent two decades remaking Evangelion for an audience who moved on a long time ago.

>>279981460
Except it's not. I've watched og Eva twice(maybe a third time this year efriend is insisting we watch it before the rebuilds) EoE once and rebuilds 3x. It's just the better media, story telling is better more focused outside of how rushed the first movie felt, it is a significantly better work all together. OG Eva with EoE is maybe a solid 6 while Rebuilds sitting comfortably at 9.5.

>>279981906
>Creatives often don't understand the appeal of their own work
There was no appeal the whole show is a shitty meme that falls apart in the third act. The "appeal" is people who desperately wanted to be different who ironically ended up shilling the media to more and more normies. It was never good there was never anything interesting written there it's all headcannon and waifufagging with little to no substance behind it.

>279980942
>this is what passes for trolling nowadays
Sad!

>>279980406 (OP)

Lucas is no hack. In his case SW is but the vehicle to his main contribution to cinematography, namely the creation of ILM. He doesn´t get enough credit for literally changing how movies are made.

ILM was born because the technology to make SW did not exist. This is the reason why even at the time on which authors were being supported by studios no suit believed in his vision. Essentially everybody thought it was just impossible to make what he wanted to make.

Luckily he believed in himself. He had to invest all his earnings from his previous film (American Graffiti) and look for weirdos on all kind of different fields and disciplines to establish ILM and use what it developed to make SW.

And the things they created changed the industry completely. They helped develop non linear editing, photoshop, animatronics and puppets, created Pixar to explore the potential of CGI and so on. ILM is like this impossible place were a lot of brilliant people started they careers.

Lucas realized this and in order to keep them all together he allowed his friends to use ILM too for their movies (his friends being people like Steven Spielberg mind you). The point was to keep these people employed and working together (managing people is the most fundamental skill a Director should have, even more than their cinematographic vision, and he had that in spades).

Seriously, in time any movie with aspirations would resort to ILM and kept pushing development. Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, Dragonheart... the amount of masterpieces that exist because of what he did is ridiculous. Honestly only Miyazaki and Disney are close to comparable.

>>279982084
>I'll just insert my wife into Evangelion bro

Time loops and time travel are two of the hackiest plot devices.

>>279981313
>OT is better than PT
This is the first time in my life i've heard someone say that.

>>279981313
>PT is better than OT
This is the first time in my life i've heard someone say that.

Anime&Manga?

>>279980406 (OP)
Some call Eva the Star Wars od Japan.

>Prequelfags refuse to be associated with Rebuildfags
>Rebuildfags refuse to be associated with Prequelfags
Funny

>>279980715
>one of the worst
no need to be edgy (or hyperbolic). the last episodes are pretty funny.

>>279981272
Shin Godzilla is great, Shin Kamen Rider and the Rebuilds are just fanservice.

>>279986154
>Rebuilds are just fanservice
They're soulless cash grabs but I wouldn't exactly call them fan service.

>>279980552
Sequels sold better for star wars

>>279980406 (OP)
you missed the most important comparison, which is them funding their own studio with the money, and in that sense lucas was infinitely more successful artistically even if you just look at ILM alone

george was better at assembling a team of good designers and artists while rebuild looked like it was composed entirely out of things yamashita dug out of his trash

>>279982966
yes

>>279986200
the adding of the extra female which had 0 purpose to the story was just fanservice

>>279980842
to be fair, few people in general have had as huge an impact on the industry as lucas

>>279986200
A brutal mogging.

>>279986299
No one likes Mari though.

>>279980552
Maybe Anno should've been getting in more street races as a kid instead of just jerking off to Space Battleship Yamato

>>279986338
>1m less votes
ouch

>>279980406 (OP)
>be Lucas
>make kino early on like THX1138 and American Graffitti
>help supplement your peers who go on to make better stuff than you
>only remembered for the slop portion of your filmography
Is this the same for Anno? Who was he friends with in school that went on to make superior anime with him helping slightly?

>>279986369
The show is more for normie shounentards the movie is for a select few high IQ patrons. It's to be expected, NGE is like McDonalds loved by everyone but painfully mediocre. ReBuild is fancy private dining by comparison.

>>279986338
>EoE is often cited as one of the best animated films ever
>often brought up by critics and industry professionals alike as a major source of inspiration
>most people don't even know the TUAT exists

>>279986434
hes a 1 trick pony thats only ever done EVA

>>279986200
Mari exists specifically to sell toys. Asuka's sexualization is multiplied by 10. Tons of scenes of robots fighting. Shinji ends up with the hottie and completely trauma-free. It's a series made to comfort the audience.

>>279986467
NGE and EOE are the rare anime things that manage to rise above the weebshit association. They're treated as genuine art in the west, alongside Studio Ghibli. The Rebuild films are not part of that discussion because to the onlooker they just look like cashgrab shonen slop.

>>279986456
>1 million people couldnt be bothered to watch rebuild slop let alone be motivated enough to log in and rate it
Looks like it had 0 hype or presence. They put a price tag on the product because its intended to sell. Nobody wanted to buy it for lack of value in entertainment. Your fancy dining sees no customers

>>279986689
It's very telling that the Rebuilds were completely irrelevant during the Netflix resurgence.

>>279986467
>EoE is often cited as one of the best animated films ever
I wanted to say top 50 maybe but it didnt even make the ranking. sad

>>279986689
Yea we get it NGE is up there with the other shounenslop greats Naruto One Piece and NGE all the same shit same audience millions of viewers who were too dumb for the movies. You're just the MCU of anime at this point with funko buying fanboys still shilling their product. Rating speak for themselves sorry.

>>279986711
Niche anime

>>279986786
and 3.0 was too dumb for sales. Smart movies sell well because retards want to pretend to be smart from watching them. Nobody wanted to watch 3.0 because they were too smart to waste their money

>>279986889
Glad we can agree the movie filtered out all the retards which is why it's rated so highly. Only intellectuals watched and enjoyed it while everyone crying in this thread was simply too low IQ. Since we agree I accept your concession and will move on with my day.

>>279986936
It filtered out the smart people that saw the movie was worthless. Glad we agree

>>279986936
>>279986786

>>279986434
Ikuhara.

>>279986338
few people bother to be contarian about the Rebuilds.

>>279987035
>tfw too smart to watch slop when the original exist
why didnt the retards fall for the cash grab?

>>279980842
I never got around to watching 3.0+1.0. Is it worth watching? Better than the other 3?

>>279987278
It's the movie equivalent of telling someone "why do you obsess over this shit, weed?"

>>279980552
>prequels are kino
I genuinely don’t consider anyone who says this to be a fully sapient human being

>>279980406 (OP)
One betrayed everything he stood for, and damned his franchise to an eternity of horrors. The other is Anno Hideaki.

>>279980406 (OP)
Anno's career post-Evangelion has been pretty good even if you don't care for the new Eva movies.

>>279989920
Fortunately it's easy to pinpoint the moment franchise left hands for another

>>279986299
Mari shows a different result of a contact experiment.
Yui lost her entire self
Auska mum lost her soul
Maris experiment worked. She is an Eva in a Lillian body, which is why she can sync infinitly with any Eva. She is inherently half divine in the same way a normal Eva pilot is half divine in their Eva.

>>279980406 (OP)
if anything, Toriyama was more the Japanese George Lucas in that he needed to be tard wrangled by his editors. Super was a complete disastor, and what little he contributed to Daima before he died was garbage.

>>279986154
>Shin Kamen Rider and the Rebuilds are just fanservice.
Shin Kamen Rider definitely is not just fanservice, however reverant it might be of the original series.

>>279988616
This, but with Prequels deniers.

>>279980646
>Tomino never felt the need to go back and revisit his previous works
Bullshit.

>>279980406 (OP)
You also have Evangelion itself having a good number of commonalities with Star Wars. Both are extremely iconic and revolutionary in their aesthetics, atmosphere, drama, setting technology, and the incorporation of religious fantasy and the sacred into 20th-century science fiction (in which they share a genre). And both share a lot of motifs, presumably from Gainax taking Star Wars influence, such as Gendo/Shinji paralleling Vader/Luke, or picrel resembling the original 1970s Star Wars poster.

>>279991385
And don't forget, both were ruined by what came after.

>>279992743
>>279991385
It's a problem with franchise self-indulgence. Star Wars was fine as it was, Eva was fine as it was.

>>279991385
> incorporation of religious fantasy and the sacred
Anno and Gainax have said that shit is just there because they thought it was cool.
Strip that away and Evangelion is just Ancient Aliens.

>>279993367
It doesn't matter Why they did it, to the simple fact That they did it.

>>279980406 (OP)
Don't even begin to compare that one-hit-wonder Lucas to Anno. Anno is a lot more than just Evangelion.

>>279993412
George did Indiana Jones, Star Wars, American Graffiti, Willow, THX-1138. What did Anno do?

>>279993412
>one-hit-wonder
Fucking wot m8?

>>279980406 (OP)
>Speilberg compromised on his vision due to limitations and it turns out people liked that more than what he actually wanted to create.
>Anno just used westoid religious shit for terminology and only picked the words out of dictionaries without actually knowing much about it (he said he was able to use westoid religious shit because he doesn't give a fuck about westoidism so he felt free to butcher it however he wanted). The series was never intended for an overseas audience and was instead intended for a small otaku audience in Japan. Westoids saw the westoid terminology and latched onto it creating a massive fan following only to feel betrayed when Anno came back and made revisions that further told the story he actually wanted to tell.
Speilberg is worse because at least with Anno it's not his fault that westoids latched onto it and he doesn't care what his unwanted westoid audience thinks.

>>279980406 (OP)
lucas hairmogs him into oblivion, the only meaningful metric

>>279993412
>Anno is a lot more than just Evangelion.
Like rebuild?

>>279994246
>told the story he actually wanted to tell
Except he didn't. The rebuilds were rewritten like ten times. The original ending had Asuka in it.
It's a compromised Frankenstein reboot of Evangelion fuelled by greed and self-loathing.

>>279994318
metastory

>>279994271
Lucas does NOT chinmog though.

>>279994334
And that's exactly why Rebuilds had no cultural impact. They're too esoteric. The original show had some universal things to say about the human condition; the films are commentary on the fandom, which is just shit.

>>279994373
Original show was about the otaku condition. The series is massively important and influential within the otaku identity which is what it was actually about. Westoids lacked the cultural context to understand it and just extrapolated based on their own misconceptions.

>>279993555
>What did Anno do?
Your mom.

>>279994441
>Original show was about the otaku condition
No, it was about giant robots fighting monsters. Death to meta storytelling.

>>279986481
But he did Nadia and Gunbuster and some romance anime from the 90s.

>>279994246
>Speilberg
Bruh

>>279994334
Bad writing when you can't get the point across the 10th time

>>279988616
The Phantom Menace has great costume and set design.

>It's a anon still seething his ship sank so he's mad about the rebuilds episode
Star war's wishes he had closure as the rebuilds have for Eva. Stop Looping. Eva is over and it had a grandiose end. Being a contrarian makes you look like a brat. Grown up.

>>279995901
This post makes you sound like a reddit tranny. Even for a shitposts, this shit isn't worth a (You)

>>279996324
You must be very familiar with reddit trannies from all your time on that site huh?

>>279995461
>The Phantom Menace has great costume and set design.
Which stems from production value, that does not make them good (they are genuinely shit).
But even then they made dogshit puppets like Yoda.

>>279993555
>George did Indiana Jones, Star Wars, American Graffiti, Willow
You're giving him credit for things he road the coattails off others on. Basically being good in spite of him.
The more control you give him, the worse the result. See Crystal Skull, the prequels, episode 6, the star wars special editions and shit.

He's a hack, just like Anno, that both got really fucking lucky and rode on that luck for the rest of their lives. Only difference is that some idiots consider Anno a genius.

>>279996550
The irony of posting Tominoslop while saying this

>>279981295
The whole point of the Disney sequels was to show they could make a better trilogy. When they failed and ran out of OG trilogy stuff to ruin, they decided to go ruin the prequels as well.

>>279996606
Maybe you should stop associating reaction image usage as having any meaning, you know, like an intelligent person.
>uh, someone says stuff i don't agree with
>i know, i'll comment on them using an old man laughing as them wanting to have sex with old men! man, i'm so smart
Now go ahead and backpedal, as we both know you will.

>>279996615
The first sequel movie was better than all prequels. Last Jedi and Skywalker are both vastly superior from a moviemaking perspective. They at least didn't devolve into just having 99% CG environments and dialogue scenes just being A and B cam footage because George just wanted to sit on his fat ass, not move and just drink coffee as a "director".

But both the prequels and sequels are shit.

>>279995901
It makes the original retroactively worse; why does it exist?

HMMMMMMM

>>279995901
>closure
End of Evangelion was already a good closer. Rebuild was made to milk the Eva name for money, nothing more.

>>279996550
>Anno
>Made Eva
>Voiced a character in a Miyazaki Movie
>Revived Godzilla
>Finished Eva once and for all
>Streamed worldwide and a huge success
>Shin Ultraman
>Shin Kamen Rider
>Worked in a Gundam Project
>Gainax without Anno
>Imploded
>Created ghost companies to mismanage all that Eva merchandise money
>Anno gad to step up to clean the mess
>Some kiddo in a Taiwanese forum calls you a hack because he's mad about shipping wars or artsy faggotry
Heh

>>279980552
Based and redpilled

>>279996819
>Finished Eva once and for all
It was finished almost thirty years ago.

>>279996793
No, the TV series had a good end and a fantastic closure. EoE shitted all on it with Shinji and everyone acting psychotic. Thankfully the Rebuilds fixed it again and is now once again what it should always have been. Hope exists and love can be found.

>>279996872
Someone has to fix the shit show that was EoE. And the rebuilds did it. You have to be a teenager or a mentally stunted adult to believe otherwise.

>>279996819
>fanboy makes a list of participation awards and conflation
Only the most braindead humans are fanboys of anything. You are one of them.

>>279996881
>Hope exists and love can be found
That's literally what the final scene of EoE is about, you fucking donkey. Only an idiot would think that the ending was depressing. There's official Gainax art of life coming back to life right after the credits roll.

>>279996881
>No, the TV series had a good end and a fantastic closure.

Re-Take > Rebuild

Congratulations

>>279996994
>Re-Take
Insanely based take. The only anon with taste in this thread.

>>279996550
watch THX 1138 4EB

>>279996922
Anno obliterated. GigaCHAD Singaporean anon poster won. I kneel.

>>279996927
>No you see the fanfic post material explains that everything went fine at the end
And also Rei and Kaworu had a kid. I mean it's material made by the production team which it's canon and not a personal interpretation on one of the staff's members. Right?
>Shinji necking Asuka
>Disgusting
You doomers have a funny interpretation of hope.
>NOOOO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
Artsy fags should be killed on sight and striped of human rights, I will not elaborate further.

>>279996927
Concession accepted.

>>279996764
>The first sequel movie was better than all prequels
Jew Jew Abrams literally did a copy-paste of A New Hope, but for the zoomer audience.

>>279997141
>You doomers have a funny interpretation of hope
Man, that whole scene just went over your head, huh? You're the reason rebuilds turned out the way they did.

>>279990950
Who was it that tard wrangled Lucas ?

>>279997171
I'm sorry anon, I don't have your high art standard to understand the correlation of trying to choke a girl to death with hope. I can understand the drastic change in personality and characterization from the TV series to EoE. They are not the same characters.

>>279997284
No one tard-wrangled Lucas. He didn't even want to direct the Prequels. He was practically begging his colleagues to help out. He hired an Oscar-winning screenwriter to help him with the Sequel scripts because he learned his lesson from the Prequels, and Disney threw those scripts in the garbage.

>>279997322
>trying to choke a girl to death with hope
You know what happens right after that, right? Who am I kidding? Of course you do. You're just trolling. Thanks for keeping the thread alive!

>>279995461
all 3 prequels have excellent concepts and designs, it just doesnt save them from the fact that as actual movies they suck ass, like a lot of ips with die hard fandom online they lend themselves better to fanfiction and daydreaming about how to make them better than actual rewatches

>>279997377
>No you see it was totally in character for Shinji to choke Asuka
>Yeah and totally normal for Asuka to caress Shinji
>And let's throw a disgusting at the end for literature purposes
>Oh and let's explain LCL and the sea of life in a PS2 game so everyone can understand the message that everyone can come back whenever they want and life can start again
Lol LMAO even. You EoEfags are the worse bunch. The fact that you seethe at every chance about the Rebuilds being the final point of reference for the franchise gives me... Yeah I don't feel shit. I just love the Rebuilds, thanks Anno.

Let's settle this once and for all.
https://strawpoll.com/NMnQNvpoBg6

>>279997492
>totally normal for Asuka to caress Shinji
Yeah, it's called character development.

>>279997533
Now this is shit posting. Have a good night anon. Stop looping.

>>279980406 (OP)
You people should be shot in the streets
>>279980842
The mocap-CG work in 3.0+1.0 is bleeding edge, production-wise.

George winning the poll so far, Rebuildbros.

>>279980406 (OP)
They're both

>>279998638
Nah, Anno would have made the Luke-Leia incest ending canon.

>>279998706
That would be a rei end so no he wouldn't have

>>279998638
Why did someone feel this was worthy of screenshotting

>>279998638
Their description of The Phantom Menace is literally just Episode 7.

>>279998638
Ok, that's nice and all, but what about the Evangelion Rebuilds made by Lucas?

>>279998768
>Evangelion Rebuilds made by Lucas?
Do they have to follow the same premise or can they be prequels?

>>279996764
yeah, sure, tfa is technically a more competently written work, but it doesn't have one billionth of the imagination even the worst prequel had. i'd rather have a shitty movie that leaves me with something than a perfect 6/10 that is so devoid of any soul i actively feel emptier after watching it.
and that's before the fan bitching, because episode 7 completely destroyed star wars, undid all the progress made in the OT and somehow people think tlj was "the bad one". probably because disney and journos wouldn't dare to shit on spielberg's boy toy

>>279997381
Why did the Revenge of the Sith re-release last month end up being one of the biggest re-releases in history if they're unwatchable.

>>279998864
>because episode 7 completely destroyed star wars, undid all the progress made in the OT
No. Episode 7 was a palate cleanser and a complete nothingburger. You can say that JJ Abrams blew up the Republic, but that's not true. TLJ could have opened with the New Republic fleet striking back against the First Order. It's Rian Johnson who decided to do more Rebels vs Empire, even though he could have easily bent TFA's lore into something more interesting. It's Rian Johnson who decided to make Luke a hermit.

Back in high school, I wrote an alternative TLJ treatment, and what I would have done is basically make the film a hunt for Snoke, basically an inverse of TESB. So, Poe and Finn and the gang would be chasing down the First Order. In the meantime, Rey would join Luke's quest to uncover ancient Force secrets, and they would travel to multiple planets looking for Jedi ruins. The reason he had a map leading to him was because he was actively searching for something ancient. My TLJ would have ended with the Knights of Ren ambushing Rey and bringing her to Snoke. She would then join Kylo on the Dark Side.

Remember the weird interview apology tour after the last movie? “No, no, Kensuke and Asuka aren’t together, it’s a father-daughter thing.” Mari and Shinji? “No, they’re not actually together.”
Makes you wonder why this shit even made it into the movie if they instantly started apologizing for it. Rebuilds were a mess.

That’s the problem with Anno in general. He wants to be a troll who trolls the audience but he lacks the spine and instantly starts apologizing when pressed against something.

>>279980406 (OP)
George is a saint compared to Anno.

George took his riches, doled it out liberally to the people on the project, invested it, and tons of companies spun off as a success. Medical imaging tech even owes much of its innovations to George.

Anno? Unpaid animators, tax fraud, hoarding, internal company disputes and lawsuits.

Anno rehashed his work, while George actually made new shit. Not just movies, but video game studios that are still active today.

Neither of them are untalented as directors. But judging by their works, only Anno would strike me as a hack.

George really does not deserve this comparison.

>>279998961
>babbles about his fanfiction unprompted
>memecat
christ don't ever show your face around here ever again

>>279980552
All the replies seething at this truthnuke are sucking mad cock right now

>>279999515
Anno and his buttbuddy Tsurumaki are only interested in making things they like look cool, and for them it basically means the characters. Everything else becomes an accessory to that, not unlike their recent work on Gundam.

None of them did an apology tour after ditching Rei or removing her backstory and applying it to Asuka. They did so for Asuka because that is what they care about.

>>279998768
They'd wear the Gerry Anderson influence even more blatantly visually

>>279999703
Why seethe, he is absolutely right. The prequels were different, and very much so different from the original theory.

But they were still great, even if it upends the grittyness of the originals.

>>279993555
there's a new anime influenced by Eva every two years.

>>279994271
Lucas's forehead is too small.

>>279981272
Convinced me that Anno should be the producer/show runner of Star Trek. Shin Godzilla gets Star trek 1000x more than nu trek.

>>280000310
Being a flop gets star trek better?

>>279990898
It's just been riding off the original eva and that's it. He's a 1 trick mule

>>279998732
Because this isn't the first time retards tried to compare Anno to our god Lucas

>>279998864
7 made bigger bank because it was superior to the prequels. That's how movie metrics work. More people found of worth watching

That Shin Godzilla movie really saved Anno.

>>279980406 (OP)
Boomers hated the prequels because they clashed with their headcanons. The Rebuild are genuinely bad.

>>280000459
The Boomers who hated the prequels were geriatric by the time 7 came out. That's why they didn't criticize it.

>>280000562
If the generation that saw the OT trilogy in theaters watched the sequels they wouldn't have stood for what they did to Luke Skywalker. Now that's shitting on a character's legacy. Pointless rebellion that ended up with an identical empire in power. Even Anakin was revealed to be useless once it was revealed that Palpatine was still alive. The sequels invalidated everything that happened in the OT trilogy.

>>280000421
And she was a good friend

>>279999683
You would be clapping and cheering if that was a picture of Asuka and his fanfiction was some alt Rebuild nonsense

>>280000547
>>280000562
The prequels are bad.

>>279996927
First of all
>life coming back to life
Second, what kind of life is that? Ruins of the past world? Shinji and Asuka being the last two humans on destroyed Earth? Unironically, what are they going to eat? What are their prospects? Still pretty depressing

>>279980552
the prequels weren't kino. the absolute slop sequels made them look good by comparison. they did have good fights though.

>>279998768
Lucas would have given us a story about the Second Impact and all the crap that happened at that time. Also, Gendo would have been the "Anakin" of this story.

>>280000547
prequels had alot of the shit that Lucas was forced to cut from a ep4

>>279980552
Absolute truth nuke.

>>279986341
I love Mari

>>280002877
>forced

Rebuild does to Rei what the sequels did to Luke except worse.
The sequels cant be pinned on George, but the Rebuilds are 100% Anno.

>>280003155
Yeah, he's actually has to cut a lot of shit because of corporate. All that boring ass Galactic trade political shit was supposed to be in EP4

>>279996946
CRISP

>>280004623
Y

>>280005930
Es

>>279998961
To me The Force Awakens was far worse than The Last Jedi, so much so that it turned me off Disney Star Wars entirely. They had no story to tell, no ideas to explore, just a shameless member berry filled rehashing of A New Hope with unlikable characters and a couple of J.J.'s shitty mystery boxes like Snoke thrown in because retards always eat it up. Not to mention how it shits all over the original trilogy's story by simply undoing everything the original heroes worked for and accomplished. At least Lucas's ideas for sequels were new and interesting, something about exploring the microbiotic world. Maybe it would have sucked but at least it would be interesting.
Anime and manga

>>280007323
Based. I like anike and manga

>>279980406 (OP)
Rebuild was good. Only Lucas is a hack.

>>279995461
Great music too. It's still a dogshit movie.

>>279999802
>grittyness of the originals
Rewatch the originals, they are very hopeful, tropey, space opera hero's journey. They are inoffensive. They're good mind you, but they are as edgy as bread without the crust.

Poll reminder
https://strawpoll.com/NMnQNvpoBg6

Nadia is a rip-off of Laputa. Anno is a hack.

>>279980406 (OP)
Both are quite different
>lucas sold his IP to big company to protect it when in reality was to make his movies look better in comparisson.
>anno licensed some IP so others could make an anime that will be shitted on while at same time creating small companies with his old staff while giving away the IP to them because is their work as well selling gainax to a huge company but didn't have any IP left.
See how different it is, in gainax list you get
>Punch line
>Kill la Kill
>Tengen Toppa Gurren Laggan
>Girls un Panzer
And so many more that people credit to others when was gainax product alk the time.

>>279980552
wrong but based regardless

>>280002877
>>280004592
A whole subplot of Luke's friends at Tatooine was cut as well. The story made him look like a loner, but he actually knew a lot of people there.

>>280011229
>The story made him look like a loner, but he actually knew a lot of people there.
Some of those deleted scenes have been shown in making-of documentaries. Luke still looks like a loser in those scenes.

>>280011548
Even the penis helmet... stolen from the japanese.

>>279994568
>Death to meta storytelling.
This is how virtually all art is made these days. If you don't care about themes and meta storytelling then you should switch to consuming fanfics and narou-kei.

>>280011609
There's a comic based off the original script for EP4. It's a lot different from what we ended up with, a lot slower and boring. You can really see a lot of the plot stuff that got used for the prequels in it too

>>279981376
I'm now wondering: When was the last time I've surfed to thebestpageintheuniverse?

>>279986467
Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honnêamise is better than Evangelion and I'm tired of pretending it isn't

>>279991122
Anno just made a Gundam series and half of it was tracing over what Tomino did and making it look new

>>279980406 (OP)
the rebuilds feel like spielberg editing the guns out of et. no need to revise your work that was already finished with your new, mellowed-out, middle aged faggotry.

>>279996994
Worthless wojakshitter. Go back to the sharty to post "cgi muscle man".

>>279980406 (OP)
NGE had like 8 different writers. Anno is not an auteur.

>>279997141
>You doomers have a funny interpretation of hope.
Dude you misinterpreted the entire End of Evangelion lmao. It is a hopeful ending btw. Much more fitting than Shinji running off to become a salaryman or whatever the fuck.

>>279980406 (OP)
The rebuilds are a much grander catastrophic failure than anything Lucas could've put out with the prequels. Artistically, logistically, every metric. We waited 10 years for the abomination that is 3.0 + 1.0 after Anno released the other abomination that is 3.0 because he was depressed about fan backlash.

>>280016420
How long till Evangelion 4.0? 2030?

>>280016440
We'll def get another POS show or movie sometime around 2030 so Studio Khara can make payroll. A month of 3.0 + 1.0 Anno was talking about a tv show set between the events of 2.0 and 3.0. "Bye bye to all of Evangelion" my ass.

>>280016490
With a different director I assume

>>279980406 (OP)
Star Wars is far from experimental, it was inspired by old of tropes, just like evangelion was inspired by old mecha shows, mostly gundam. But Lucas stopped giving a fuck and wanted money from merchandising. Anno is a hypocrite that pretends to put a message on his works and then allows rei shaped khara official condoms to exist.

>>280015453
That's because Anno will always be a Tomino fanboy.

>>279996881
Did you even watch the ending of EoE?

>>280016736
>But Lucas stopped giving a fuck and wanted money from merchandising
But that was the original deal. To be fair not even Lucas had faith in the project and went full "well, if the movie bombs at least some toys will sell" and that's the reason for him pushing for 100% on the merchandise rights.
And that's the same reason of why Spaceballs didn't have any merch, because when Mel Brooks talked with Lucas about if he would be offended by a Star Wars parody he basically said "Do whatever the fuck you want except selling toys".

>>279999778
What does Thunderbirds have to do with this?

>>279980406 (OP)
My favorite part of the rebuilds is the product placement.

In 1.0 Shinji opens Misato's fridge and their is a bag of Doritos in there... Misato keeps Doritos inside her fridge...

>>279982144
Anno denied Mari being a representation of his wife, and to be honest I have to agree. I think she is just a terrible character inserted into the rebuilds for nothing but the symbolism of "change" and this is why Shinji runs off with her at the train station.

>>280018125
>Anno denied Mari being a representation of his wife
And you believed him?

>>279980406 (OP)
>both went all in on turning their opus into marketable IP slop
Anime is supposedly a tough industry and they still have to pay the bills. I blame the decline of the OVA format and piracy + home cinema destroying theatre releases.
Anno is really good at VFX to the detriment of everything else, Honneamise is his best work.

>>279980552
fpbp

>>279980715
Eva is about a teenager learning to become attracted to the opposite sex. Target audience is 14 year olds and instrumentality is developping empathy.

I've enjoyed Love and Pop and the Shin movies more than anything Lucas has touched since The Last Crusade.

>>279980552
SPBP
anno is hard carried by other people behind every single project

>>279996550
Classic midwit Redditor to think that just because he made some things you like at first and then bad things you don't like later; it has to have been because he was bad all along and other people who were good fixed it for him.
A lot of those stupid things people say like that ANH was fixed in the edit by the magical power of his wife are all aren't true.
It's ironic; what happens is just as you say that artists who have good work attributed to them are seen as geniuses. But it's just as idiotic to say because those people made bad stuff after that they were drooling retards carried by the people around them. Reality isn't black and white.

>>280019036
>I've enjoyed Shin movies
that's some worm infested shit taste

>>280018748
Its not "believing him" its just agreeing with him. Mari isn't even a character. She is just symbolism.

>>279999515
>He wants to be a troll who trolls the audience but he lacks the spine
Because he knows damn well doing that would automatically kill all goodwill the fanbase has towards him and would also kill the franchise for good, thing that he doesn't want it in case of future projects.

>>280019841
Shin Godzilla, Ultraman, and Kamen Rider are all leaps and bounds better than the prequels.

>>280021088
Lets check the box office to confirm.

>>280017060
ufo was almost as big of an influence on eva as ultraman was

>>280019556
anyone who talks about a movie being 'fixed' in the edit at all is a complete retard. a movie is created in the edit, it doesn't exist at all before that it's just a pile of footage. editing is where the actual structure and tone and essence of a film emerges. (or falters)

>>280021249
influences on the NGE opening, influences on Gendo and Fuyutsuki alongside the influence from Darth Vader and Tarkin.
I think I want to watch Ufo just for the sexy sci-fi girls.

>>280021249
>>280021304
There was also proto-Gendo in ideon who even sounds like Gendo a bit.

old evangelion star wars parody trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94YauaBg68g

>>280021145
>box office
lol

>>280021488
The only factor to determine a movies worth. they would be free if it didnt matter

>>279993367
Despite Anno's comments, their is some biblical allegory that checks out... some of the hebrew names of the angels also correlate to the purpose of a specific episode. I would attribute those small bits to the writer of an individual episode. I agree with Anno though on stuff like the crosses, Misato wearing a cross necklace, and the more blatant imagery.

Pfffft....hahahahaha they're at it again
Anime ain't that deep bro.
Anno didn't even know what's he's doing

>>280023772
that's not even an anno quote you're agreeing with
state of /a/

>>280024056
Maybe... whatever... Anno/random Gainax employees. The fact stands.

>>280016254
>Dude you misinterpreted the entire End of Evangelion lmao.
No I didn't, it's a straight sociopath end, no sane person would believe choking a girl to death and said girl saying disgusting has any other meaning than just having shock value.
>Much more fitting than Shinji running off to become a salaryman or whatever the fuck.
>Shinji runs out to commuting to work
>You can see how he ditch the train to fuck off somewhere else with Mari
>NOO HE BECAME A SALARYMAN
And I'm the one who misinterpreted shit? lol LMAO even.

>>279980406 (OP)
Anno greenlit the Rebuilds for cash. George's autism lead him to insert changes into the original Star Wars film and then destroy all copies of the originals, leaving only his edits for those who aren't autistic enough to search for cobbled-together fan-edits. Look at this shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3u70WELSEg
Say whatever you want about Anno, but George Lucas is one of the biggest hacks of all time.

>>280016736
>allows rei shaped khara official condoms to exist
Holy fucking BASED

>>279980406 (OP)
I don't know who the guy on the right is, but I'm seeing a common phenotype here.

>>280024194
W-where's Mari looking

>>280022086
Okay George.

>>279980770
DePalma truth be told.

>>279986303
Cameron.

>>279986367
But, but MUH NIPPON STRONK!

>>279997284
>>279997332
His wife, who really deserved the credit then Carrie Fisher who cleaned a few of the scripts

>>280025133
Cameron just made some high grossing movies, he didn't revolutionize the blockbuster, he didn't revolutionize film merchandising, he didn't push technology like no one else, and now he's spent the entire back half of his career trying to make his own star wars out of some furry crap.

>>280015408
Yes, and THX1138 is better than SW because it deconstructed the sci fi serial than building homage to it.

>>280024194
>no sane person would believe choking a girl to death and said girl saying disgusting has any other meaning than just having shock value.
Strangling appears a few times before in NGE: the 1st rei being strangled by ritsuko's mom, asuka's mom "attempted" murder of the asuka doll instead of her real daughter
Envy plays a large role in all of them including NGE and shinji strangling asuka plays into her own issue of being envy her mom "loved" the doll instead of her

>>280025133
relied heavily on ILM