Thread 280129844

What went wrong?

Inferior to Nippon.

Short term success.

>>280129844 (OP)
a lot of studios are barely breaking even.
Just look at MAPPA - constantly pumping out projects and just barely scraping by.

>>280129844 (OP)
Fake success, you see the actual success here.

>>280129844 (OP)
Who actually think that pointy pencil think chin of a MC is attractive?

>>280129844 (OP)
>waste lots of money on shills
>still manage to fail and dont sell
L M A O

>>280129844 (OP)
everything

1 billion indians watching on Crunchyroll doesn't mean money for the studio

>>280129918
All the money goes to the publishers, always has.

>>280129918
THIS.
The actual state of the industry reminds me of that XKCD panel that says
>There is 14 competeng standards
>This situation is shit, we need to make a new standard that covers all use cases
>There is now 15 competing standards
In the anime industry it would be like
>There are 14 competing anime studios
>This situation is shit, we need to make a studio that doesnt treat us like slaves and strives for quality
>There are now 15 competing anime studios
But the problem, is not that there are a bunch of anime studios, it runs deeper than that.
I am not an anime industry expert with cunning insights from insiders leaks, but the industry right now its in a sorry state where the studios are cannibalizing each other.
yeah, we get more anime than ever, but at what cost? Most anime these days have hentai levels if QUALITY, there are stories that you cant help to wonder "how the fuck did this got greenlighted?" or the almost carbon copy stories that flooding the industry because its the flavor of the year, and then we get all the studios wanting to grab one of those 90% identical stories to rushingly release it before the fad gets over, before the horse gets beaten beyond anything recognizable.

>>280130848
>>This situation is shit, we need to make a studio that doesnt treat us like slaves and strives for quality
Shows how little you understand.
>then we get all the studios wanting to grab one of those
Studios don't write or fund anime, retard. Even anime originals cannot be done without external funding, usually.

The actual answer is a lack of merch or physical sales. This show is unable to capitalize on its own momentum and can't get returns.

>botted views/ratings
>hired jeets to shill your show
>WHAAAH, why are we losing money?!
Truly a mystery.

>>280130916
I did say that carbon copied stories flooded the industry, not that the studios make them, they adapt them in their rush to survive and / or ride the wave of the flavor of the month. Learn to read

The more you spend the more you have to make back. This is why, say, an indie game can be a knock out success if it breaks a million sales but something like a major AAA studio release needs to sell 10 times as much just to be a regular success.

Streaming doesn't pay the bills.
Musicians realized this so vinyls and touring made a comeback.
The problem is that anime bluray sales have plummeted to irrelevancy.

>>280131049
Fine, but you still don't understand why anime studios are created.

>>280129844 (OP)
It was a domestic failure.

>>280129844 (OP)
Anime make most of their money off of merch sales like BD's and figurines and such.
If an anime does very well in terms of ratings and popularity but poorly in terms of money, that tends to be a sign that the fanbase is underaged.

Why are they still making Korean shit lol. Did a single one of those dogshit shows ever succeeded?

>>280129844 (OP)
Latinx and jeets don't pay

>>280131101
Im willing to learn, please, illuminate me sempai

>>280130848
>XKCD
didn't read, kill yourself zogslave

>>280131438
Most of them are just recombination of existing staff for whatever reasons. I never heard anyone saying it's done to increase worker's standards. Old studios became dysfunctional, bankrupt, or lose key staff for various reasons. New studios soak up whatever remains. The new studios may seem fresh and ambitious, but actually there's little change.

>>280129844 (OP)
people dont buy blu rays anymore and streaming just doesnt make up for it
seen the same in the music industry with spotify

>>280129844 (OP)
Studios don't get paid for their work, the producers do.

>anime flopped
>gacha flopped
>new game gonna flop
Why did (((they))) decide to push this shit as a new big thing?

>>280132151
because phone reading thirdies loved it

>>280129844 (OP)
Like most things Chinese or Korean. Looks pretty, about as deep as a kiddie pool.

>>280132230
Saaaar

>>280129844 (OP)
Crunchyroll being greedy and not paying enough and no one in Japan being interested.

>>280130848
>Most anime these days have hentai levels if QUALITY, there are stories that you cant help to wonder "how the fuck did this got greenlighted?"
if they keep making those, maybe it's profitable somewhere down the line?

Shouldn't have hired hordes of jeets to shill this garbage on 4chan.

>>280132307
Sir, this is a manga/anime forum.

>>280130994
It's not even a hidden secret or anything, but some anime just have nothing worth selling. Sunrise is consistently swimming in money thanks to Bandai and gunpla sales, but what related merch for Solo Leveling are they gonna sell? Nendroids, keychains, and fake foam daggers?

>>280132668

NTA, but....

Yeah, the manga anime style anything from china, korea, french etc can imitate.

Its not called Japanimation anymore dumb wapanese weeb, YWNBJ

Just make a show with cute girls and then still little acrylic figures of the cute girls

>>280131098
>selling $60 discs with 3 episodes each
They have nobody to blame but themselves.

>>280132860
You're a pajeet.

>>280129844 (OP)
They need to understand that appealing to normalfags is not true success, when your audience is a bunch of broke blacks that will pirate your show and never buy any merch or a bunch of white zoomers that only collect funko pops, you are not gonna make any money

Do something that appeals to otaku and they’ll give you tons of money that’s how isekai shows get to have 4 seasons

>>280133446
the bigger kick in the balls for asia is that when the blurays come out in the west, its cheaper AND all the episodes are in the set.

>>280131098
>Streaming doesn't pay the bills.
This has always been a huge issue. You can say something got a billion streams but it's easy to stream. Most people who stream probably got the service for a lot of other things already. It's too hard to tell where the draw is. And since you're not selling something of the actual show or getting tv sponsors there's really no revenue beyond what the platform will pay you.

>>280133997
This was a big problem facing a lot of western media too. Marvel or whomever else will want to pander to the loud twitter audience but those people don't actually buy shit. They just repost memes and images. Meanwhile the fans who did buy everything basically got fucked.

>>280129844 (OP)
all style no substance

like JJK
and CSM

>>280133999
If the anime industry actually wants to save itself, it needs the West. Cut out the middleman and sell us full box sets of entire seasons, $100 dollars each. Make a paid manga app(s) that contains ALL the manga, make releases completely up-to-date and charge us $10 a month. Market merchandise to the west for once, instead of us having to use third parties like ZenMarket. The weeb community here is big enough. They'd get out of the red overnight.

>>280134134
This shit always happens. Something gets hyped to the moon and then the second it's over they all move on to the next fad and the current one is barely a memory.

>>280129844 (OP)
don't care
I had fun with it and will enjoy season 3 when it comes out.

Nobody cares about soulless bugmen and their venture stock business capital chart quote jew shit. It didn’t affect a single person who watched solo leveling. Nobody in this thread has or will feel the effects of it.


Nothing good was ever made for corporate profit.
The author WON HARD, everyone loves and knows his story. The viewers WON. Thats a lot of WINNERS. In fact, it’s the MOST WINNERS OF ALL TIME!

>>280131106
That's what I wanted to say. Shitty merch/bd sale, no toy from bandai, no collab with restaurant and amusement. Even worse, solo leveling lacks fanart.

Why didn't solo leveling had toy from bandai like transformation kit and DX knight killer, spite Sung Jin Woo is like Precure+Kamen rider?

It was actually worse than isekai.
The MC was cheeto OP reincarnator, but he was a misanthropic psychopath who didn't care about anything but....solo leveling.
It was funny he grew three inches and stopped being ugly and he just retained his disgust towards SOCIETY instead of having a humble heart despite being so hot it's like he's a male model.

>>280129844 (OP)
Neither worldwide gen alpha nor the japanese are going to buy it so yeah.

>>280134613
Extremely based post.

>>280134613
But Kakao suffered loss by solo leveling due to shitty secondary sale too tho. Kakao is unhappy about solo leveling's sale being shitty. What went wrong?

>>280134689
Nor the Koreans gonna buy this. Would it sell if bandai has released toy like DX knight killer, DX cha hae in sword, DX sung jin woo transformation belt, DX cha hae in transformation ribbon, like Kamen rider and precure?

>>280129844 (OP)
I don't really understand the anime business model when they're not shilling merch out the ass. BDs have to be dwindling in sales as digital viewing goes up year by year. The only way to survive has to be ads, investments, or a lot of merch.

>>280131098
>>280134032
it depends, streaming disproportionately rewards extremely high demand while streaming rights to low demand shows are basically sold in bulk for scraps.
I heard something like Toei makes hundreds of millions from streaming rights for One Piece in China alone.

>>280134734
>muh capitalism
shalom

>>280134774
And toys like DX nichirin and precure transformation ribbon.

>>280129844 (OP)

It´s barely above bottom tier isekai and honestly Standard of reincarnation is probably better anyways. Also the adaptation´s pacing is terrible.

>>280134774
Pretty sure mobile games are one of the biggest profit engines for anime right now. You probably don't hear about it outside of Japan, but basically every halfway popular anime has a scammy mobile game that gets advertised every commercial break. And clearly some companies like Cygames make insane amounts of money from mobile games, anime/gacha mobile games will probably be a billion dollar industry soon

>>280134078
Is there any evidence that they pander to the loud twitter audience? Like any crewmembers saying they go on twitter and they only listen to twitter? And no, putting in black people doesn't have to mean they listen to twitter because black people exist

>>280129844 (OP)
>Success
Hook astroturfing is not success btw
Also A1 betrayed Japan and animated gookshit, I'm glad they are dying, retarded boomers

>>280134134
At least JJK and CSM sold more merches and had more fanart than solo leveling. And JJK, CSM got toys from bandai unlike solo leveling.

>>280134916
Meant to say gook astroturfing

>>280129844 (OP)
>global success
if it was global success they would not be in troubles lol.

>>280134916
Snoy has betrayed Japan and betrayed America after concord shock. Snoy don't know where their loyalties lie. Which side does snoy belong to?

>>280134976
Yeah. Even Kakao is unhappy about solo leveling's sale being poor.
>>280134734

>>280131431
why would anyone pay for shit lol.
last time I paid for anything was 25 fucking years ago.

>>280129844 (OP)
Merch sales are king. You can have a billion pajeet viewers but if you don't sell merch, you ain't making a profit.

>>280134852
Are Maplestory and DFO gachas too?

>>280134656
>he grew three inches
It's hilarious how there's still was no explanation for this. It just happened.

>>280130994
So why is it considered a "global sucess"? Is it just astroturfing and just shills trying to psyop everyone into thinking it's a blockbuster?

>>280129844 (OP)
My opinion
The animation wasn't anything special
It was a cool and fun anime but predictable
>episode 3 he clears a dungeon
>episode 5 he clears a dungeon
>episode 7 he clears a dungeon
I enjoyed the show, as I said it was cool and fun but is it something id buy a copy of? No

It’s a combination of no merch and the story and characters sucking. People like it the same way they like seasonal isekai

>>280129844 (OP)
I hate solo levelling and all but this is basically retard news, A-1 is completely owned by Sony and its balance sheet is arbitrary. They can decide whether they want it to be profitable or unprofitable on paper by paying it more or less for the shit it makes. Just completely meaningless clickbait garbage

>>280135008
bvsed leechGOD

>>280132860
why can't they copy their way to success, then?

>>280135227
It's popular on streaming services, however those are entirely theoretical valuewise. It's unsustainable in all other ways.

You realize this is all piracy's fault. If you actually like anime then you should pay for it. If you can't pay for it, you shouldn't consume it.

>>280129844 (OP)
How long is it going to take people on this site to realize that studios don't profit off an anime's success? They just get paid to animate the show. Any money made off the show goes to the production company.

>>280129892
u sure

>>280135227
Have you ever met a fan IRL? It is not uncommon to see people with anime merch nowadays. People own t-shirts, keychains, etc.

>>280134656
>>280135150
Up top or down below?

>>280136291
So just like always, the working class gets a flat salary and all profits go to the owning class.

>>280129844 (OP)
>Flop leveling

>>280135920
They are dumb and think that art style is all that matters. China and Korea's biggest problem is their garbage writing style, and they are too proud to fix.
I have read some great Chinese comedy 4komas, but they only want to animate their stupid chuuni crap instead of starting with something simple.

>>280129844 (OP)
I just can't get into korean anime
Everyone has a name that's like pronouncing "yoohoo" on a different level of sobriety
The artstyle with male character having chin sharp enough to stab someone to death
and the plot always containing one or more of the theme : returner, max level, solo, villainess, infinite, boss, arena, former, strongest

>>280132801
It's not even the merch quality so much as whether the characters have a fervent fan following. If you look at something like
JJK, the merch is mostly stupid useless plastic shit, but it sells like hotcakes because fans will buy any piece of trash with Gojo's face printed on it. I don't think Solo Leveling is attracting any waifu and husbando fags.

Fucking hell the comic sucks so much cock. I read it after binging the show but stopped like 30 chapters from the end or something because it was obvious how it would end (poorly)
At least it was funny to see the hostility towards Japan and the US though.

>>280138477
Yeah, the webtoon is by no means a masterpiece in the early game, but it declines during the guild and america arc and drops the fuck off comparatively once they drop the leveling mechanic. The reset ending is absolute putrid shit. If season 3 even happens, I see it being the end of the anime because nothing major even happens.

>>280131098
The way the anime industry has handled its physical releases in Japan has been so disgustingly anti-consumer for so long that it's a wonder the decline didn't happen years earlier than it did. They haven't updated their business model since the VHS era.

>>280129844 (OP)
It was jeets all the way down.

>>280138645
Makes sense for an inferior country to enjoy the uber power fantasy media, actually
Unfortunately I don't think they have the spending power to even buy the blu-rays or whatever

>>280138566
Physical media sales have plummeted globally, and really, anime DVD/BD collecting has always been a fairly inelastic market and lowering the prices probably wouldn't increase sales by that much.

>>280138682
They were paid a couple rupees on the dollar to shill the hell out of this show.
Makes sense they can’t even buy the blue rays.

BUMP

Same thing happens with videogame companies.
A game developer can just buy their own stock endlessly at no loss and report absurd sales numbers but still fail.

A jew chink botting views isn't actually going to make much money no matter how many shills they pay.

FUCKING HOW? Even after all of these touted shortcuts, technological advancements (read: degradation in quality), cutting corners, shifting away from the "slave labor sweat shop model of animation," studios STILL can't make a profit or survive? Are you fucking kidding me? You mean to tell me that I have been watching anime for the past three decades that have been steadily declining in animation quality, art quality, design quality, and FIVE-TONE SHADING QUALITY, and yet studios are still struggling?

What is the point then? Maybe we should just cut the pretense, do away with all of the bullshit, go back to making these animators slave labor, and bring back the five-tone shading already. Because this is fucking horse shit. If studios still can't survive after switching to CG, then the whole system is fucked. Let's go back to cell animation already.

>>280130848
That's not even close to what you referenced. Multiple studios is a good thing for the anime industry which is not the case with standards.

>>280132801
Fake chins

Of course bikinischizo already spamming and samefagging.

Sloppers?

>>280129844 (OP)
But it won the Crunchyroll poll.
Surely this means SL would become a cult classic like Redline?

>>280129844 (OP)
No matter what explanations people come up with in this thread, I think it's clear by now that the popularity was faked. It was all artificial hype created by paid shills and bots. Sure, that may have fooled some normalfags into jumping onto the bandwagon, but in the end, nobody is spending money on it no matter how much Crunchyroll pays to try to make it a success.

>>280129844 (OP)
86bros and sisters, it is so over.

>>280135227
SL is only popular among browns and westoids and these people don't buy merch. In fact they don't buy anything aside from physical volumes (sometimes), which SL doesn't have.

>>280129844 (OP)
gookslop

Crunchyroll and Japanese anime streaming sites can easily fake or inflate view counts.
The number of views doesn't mean anything.
The ranking on Niconico was way more accurate.

>>280129844 (OP)
FOTM Streaming numbers don't always translate to good blu-ray/merch sales, which is where most of the money is.

>>280134858
Not hard evidence but when you look at the shit they put out and the sales numbers being as bad as they are it's not hard to figure out. They've been actively trolling their long term readers for a while too. Editor Tom "is a cunt" Brevoort has state that he believes angry fans are engaged fans. As even flagship A list heroes like Spider-man tank.

>>280134630
Because Solo Leveling fans aren't super little kids. They're teenagers who are too old to play with toys, but too young to collect toys.

>>280142758
Explain Sword Art Online and Kimetsu no Yaiba

>>280142758
There's more to moichendising then just toys. There's the disc sales of course, but there's plenty of other stuff you can put the pictures name on. Solo Leveling the pencil board, solo leveling the clear folder, solo leveling the flame throwah.

>>280141437
You see a ton of people here in the US with KnY and JJK merch though. There's a ton of cars around here with stickers on them and toys or other merch on the dashboard and rear view mirrors. Haven't seen anyone with SL in or on their car.

>>280142774
Light novel and manga sales.
Teenagers are less likely to pay for toys, but they'll still pay to experience more of the story.
Plus, they both had movies.
Solo Leveling is a webtoon that can be read online.

>>280142819
Well maybe the gooks should consider physical publishing

like >>280130184 said is the way throwing money to bots and shill.
Frenchs has been doing that the last year(with arkane, ubisoft games and now expedition) because they need to expand their soft power now that they don't have africa presence.
Don't know the koreans obsesion with manwa, their strong is kpop and LA films and is what their soft power has been working.

>>280129844 (OP)
>What went wrong?
It has no fandom, it is essentially a dead franchise in Japan which is always the market that matters the most
Sales of BD, manga, merch amount of colabs were all terrible, it's making next to no money from these and that's how they hope to make the production costs back so obviously the production company lost a shit ton of money.
If this any other anime there is no way it would get another season.

>>280135630
I mean, thats basically what it might aswell is far as im aware.

>>280129844 (OP)
The biggest sign is probably when there's barely any discussion for the sequel Ragnarok.
No threads, no power level shitposting, no waifu posting and whatnot.

>>280142896
Crunchyroll is in too deep to give up now

>>280129844 (OP)
>MAPPA and now A-1 pictures
Supply exceeded demand. The whole Japanese economy, just like the West as a whole, is in the grimest state at best. Japan is still the BIGGEST buyer of dollars in 2025, can you imagine that? Now one of the ONLY real competitive Japanese industries such as the anime show entertainment business is barely surviving. People can't even afford anime merch either now. As everyone knows creating anime is really hard, labor-intensive job with meagre pay, so more and more people are avoiding this job. Kerorira and Saito Keiichirou of BTR and Frieren are suddenly getting on a new recruitment project for their anime industry and Trigger is also recently demanding the new labor forces for it. Things seem not quite right anons. The second golden age of the anime industry since the 2010s might be on very thin ice right now.

>>280142896
I'm not sure fandom even really exists anymore. Not real ones anyways. Oh people will ride the wave. There will be hype. You'll get thousands of images of fanart while it's trending and poor impulse people will go even further. But then it just ends and the fandom dies down. Nobody's really still INTO something when it's finished. The curtain falls and it's off to the next big fad. And that's what these all are. Not fandoms. Faddoms.

>>280142990
SL and specifically Jinwoo have a whole leddit to gaslight people into believing he is this multiverse buster immortal lmao

>>280129844 (OP)
Souldn't have wasted the budget on shills then.

>>280129844 (OP)
God that chin is hideous. It looks like you could sink a battleship with it.

>>280142990
The point wasn't about splitting hairs over what a real fandom is.
>Oh people will ride the wave.
Solo Leveling didn't even have that. It was faked.

>>280137564
I have. A friend of mine is a fan who mostly asks me where to watch it for free and hates ads and spending money

>>280129844 (OP)
They forgot to sell dolls to coomers

>>280133999
In case you dont know, like half the western publishers now force subs when you watch in jap. No option to remove. Always on. In an attempt to discourage reverse importing. I know Sentai does this.

>>280129844 (OP)
Pirates, obviously
Only japanese buy dvds. SL was popular in every other countries except Japan.
Do the math

>>280144015
Pathetic tourist.

>>280130848
> Most anime these days have hentai levels if QUALITY, there are stories that you cant help to wonder "how the fuck did this got greenlighted?"
They called me a madman when I said that RGS will get an anime, I'm just aware of the sorry of the industry

>>280131098
streaming was such a mistake. industries literally nuking themselves for short term profit. Boomers have raped the commons in every respect and left nothing for the next generation

>>280129844 (OP)
It's also bankrupt their shitty little bootleg manga industry too LMAO
https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=244933

>>280144102
>SL was popular in every other countries
Sure, in your headcanon lol

>>280144102
>SL was popular in every other countries except Japan.
It wasn't popular in China either
In fact it didn't do great in east Asia in general

>>280144102
lol not even Korean themselves give a fuck about solo leveling

>>280135227
Because Indians that watched in on 9anime or some other shit astroturfed it on MAL.

>>280129844 (OP)
So, season 3 never I suppose.

>>280129844 (OP)
>>280144171
No one knows why they even put in so much effort in this shit. Even if they're testing the market for webtoon adaptations, they didn't have to go all in.

>>280144240
Well the source material is garbage. The only thing it had going for it was the flashy animations that impressed thirdies. But if they slash the budget it won't even have that

>>280129844 (OP)
organic popularity is real success
inorganically putting it to the top of the charts on platforms you own won't

>>280129844 (OP)
>make anime with 0 marketable characters or elements (nobody wants an action figure of sukdong or his puppets)
>it also appeals mostly to thirdies
>series is a webtoon so no manga sales
where was the money supposed to come from?

>>280129918
Blame Yuri on Ice! its overwhelming success made the usual industry vultures laser focus on them and get more and more involved in its hierarchy You know it's bad when the founder who originally made it to stop paying animators like shit left afterwards to start another studio.

>>280144171
>Withdraws from French market
If that shit wasn't selling in Japan, there was no way it would sell in France. Those two countries' interest in comics is somehow literally 1 to 1, you'll very rarely find a franchise that works in Japan but doesn't in France and the other way around.

Japan is all about money laundering

>>280144695
To be fair french markets isn't just france, it's also belgium, parts of canada and a bunch of african and caribbean countries.

>>280129844 (OP)
>>280130994
I will rest easy tonight knowing that solo shills will forever be the laughingstock of this board.

>>280135008
can you believe that in the year 2025 people are still paying for streaming services? actually blows my mind

>>280145292
It's hilarious. They were going on about how it's going to be the new big thing and it's just dead and forgotten. Jeet spamming doesn't translate into sales or real popularity