Is betraying the morally right thing to do in isekai? , think deeply about this and you shall come to an understanding.

every moral decision from loyalty to betrayal to autonomy to mercenary work and all other aspects of the spectrum have been depicted already, which is why isekai is so great!

How long until we get a Sliders style story but isekai?

>MC acquires monstergirl companions
>they put on human form temporarily
>to infiltrate a bordello and fuck information out of the NTR badguys
What the fuck is wrong with japan

>>280670433
It's ok because the human forms are not their real forms so it's not really NTR!

Mato isn't isekai, moron

>MC reincarnated after getting killed for being a pervert
>is stuck as a baby for entire series
fucken dropped

>girl: MC, I'm really a witch and we were childhood friends in isekai!
>girl: also our cats really want us to have sex!
would you fall for it

https://youtu.be/6kDYaHXv_h0?si=b6rWd8PlDcl7mmJb

How would you feel if you isekai’d into an isekai (bonus: there’s a really cute loli).

>>280670106 (OP)
betray must happen first before a forgive. this is the way.

>Emelly Stield. The protagonist.
>Since ‘Minorus Academy’ is also fundamentally a visual novel type game like a dating sim, dialogue choices appear intermittently as the story progresses.
>And looking at the tone of the choices and thoughts, and as the story progresses, you realize she’s not just the seemingly gentle, kind, and frustratingly naive girl she appears to be.
>She is certainly a polite girl who speaks courteously and behaves properly.
>At least on the outside.
>However, when faced alone with someone she dislikes, she casts off that mask and, as if she never pretended, freely unleashes the words and curses she wants to say.
>Sometimes it feels almost insidious.
>I quite liked her refreshing way of speaking and acting back then, but now I’m in the position of having to endure it from ‘Sayoreinne’s’ perspective.
>Aside from that, she’s kind to those around her and even shows a slightly gullible side to people she likes; she’s a good person.
>Although she’s an insidious girl full of pretense, ultimately, she only reveals that side to those who are hostile towards her.
Protagonist is not a goody two shoes? Neat.

shota betraying hag wife to fuck loli

>>280670106 (OP)

>>280670106 (OP)
>get betrayed
>acquire loli/flat dragon wife afterwards
It's not always bad

The Philia Scans™ sword?! I-impossible!!

>AYM: MC is failure trash who is a scammer!
>AYM: To prove it I am going to kidnap his harem party!

>>280671975
Author should choke on a dick.

>no Adventure Guild slop
>no Slavery slop
>no Academy slop
>no harem slop, so far
>classmates are actually relevant and powerful
>main end goal of the story is shown from the beginning

Where where you when Isekai perfected the OP MC formula?

>>280672153
>monoslop

>>280672153
I don't really give a shit about stories whose selling point is >muh sex lmao

might aswell remove "no slaveslop" on your list, considering that the elf is a slave of being portrayed a generic libidinous creature.

pure, disingenuous slop.

>>280670503
You could argue that

>>280672838
pseud

>>280670433
Name?

>>280672153
But is there explicit sex?

>>280670503
Isekai where people can go back and forth between worlds.

'play' with your maids in isekai

>Isekai introduces side character that derails rest of the plot and makes you not give a shit about anyone else
what's their name?

>"Nobles can do anything they want, cut you down for no reason, etc"
>*humble noises* I can't kill this pirate bitch, I'd get arrested.........date Serena? Im just a humble viscount platinum rank gold star superstar with magical powers on speaking terms with the imperial family.......

Is there anything more beautiful in isekai than a happy cuckqueans smile

>>280670330
There sort of is one

Setup for this is a guy gets shanghaied by an unseen god who forces him to go through 100 different Isekai worlds with the following conditions
>Has to spend at least 6 months there
>Needs to become a trusted party member to their world's hero
>Needs to be removed from the party once the first two conditions are met
Once he leaves a world he gets a new permanent skill, though any alterations to his physical body get reset every time
The story starts with him clearing world 100 and getting the chance to go home but part of the return method requires he revisit one world so he goes back to world 1. He finds out that his party members all died a few months after he left except the elf who tells him what happened. The skill he got from world 100 lets him restart his trials from world 1 but keep all his memories and skills. So he does and that's the setup.

He's not lost like in Sliders. He knows exactly how to get home. But it is a series that relies on going to multiple isekai worlds

Don't betray the harem.

>>280673448
amazing tl notes

>>280673236
i love isekai maids

>>280671216
>still shilling this
still not reading this

>need to avoid the bad end
>but can only do so by having sex
>Japanese MC: AIEEE

>>280672471
>>280672838
Cope and dilate

>>280673198
It's ixplicit

Pragmatic evil women can't be redeemed if they become dogmatic.

>>280673702
I'll take Ringrande, Sara, Karina, Nana and Arisa off his hands.

>>280670433
>Has a harem of chicks craving his dick
>Goes to a bordello to "blow off steam" instead of fucking the chicks he has at home
Legit enraging fucking trope

that's gay

>madam, aren't you supposed to be dueling me or making me touch a crystal?

>>280674008
gayyyyyyyy

>>280674007
please understand

>A new loser appears

>>280671216
>Dude actually fucks the chick in his party that wanted his dick
>See why dont more isekai do this?
I know its somewhat common in LNs and WBs, although in many cases at the very endl...but feels rare as fuck in manga.

>>280674185
who wins

>>280674198
Does he ever fuck the main chick, or is she just a cuckquean?

>>280674248
Definitely not the groomer hags

>>280674248
obviously the girl with an X on her head when the MC has an O

>>280671784
>wife
Dragon loli never joins the harem. She is following him for precisely the reason she stated, to eat him after he dies.

>>280673635
Beastmen yuushas are cute.

>>280669799
deserved
she really thinks the choleric king cares about whatever she says
mc even gives her a dose of reality but she remains dumb

There should be more babysekai and toddlersekai.
Lolishotasekai is fine too.

>>280674324
Close enough

>>280674269
but they're in the title...

>>280674430
>There should be more babysekai and toddlersekai.
Anon... at least let them grow up a bit...

>>280674253
>does he ever fuck the main chick
yes, Wendy is the only chick he fucks in fact

Thief Girl just met someone even more broken than her and she doesn’t have isekai knowledge cheat.

>12 yr old Great Saint
>Only level 13
>Has Perfect Refresh which means she refills both health and mana to full after every battle
>Has another skill that reduces all damage taken to at most 10% of her health
>Light Damage Absorption
>Dark Damage Nullification
>Has the strongest nuke spell that even at level 1 she was able to make it to floor 20 of the s rank abyss dungeon
>MC tricks her into wearing animal costumes just so she stops wearing her great saint robes that give her 350% boosted spell power because every dungeon was just her casting her nuke spell every minute

>>280674455
It’s really not. She just wants his power that she’ll get once he’s dead. The guy has actual human harem members instead.

>>280674473
We all know who will be the real winner of the MCbowl

>>280674557
Good enough

>>280674506
At least give me an anime adaptation of barrier toddler.

>>280673976
When does he get betrayed?

>>280674541
When is protagonist gonna steal the skills of others?

>>280674585
literally who

>>280673867
some pitfag is gonna blow his fucking load when he sees this

>>280674676
The yuusha girl who is male mc's main love interest. Male mc is trained by three superstrong max level chicks who want his shota dick.
Not really worth reading it.
The only memeable thing from this series is an image showing male mc winning a chess match by ignoring the footsie play of the blackhaired vampire saintess chick and calling the other two superstrong chicks to deck her on her head for trying to do naughty things with him.

>>280670106 (OP)
Gonna Isekai myself here soon, hope I get to become the Saintess.

>>280674620
Nothing yet, probably conflicted over which skill to betray him for

>>280674779
Have fun being the Saintess(Male) and still engaged to the Prince. And no not a Prince(Female).

>>280671563
mommy issues fetish

>>280674740
It's pretty clear he was infatuated with her on her introduction.
Although personally the tsun fightschool chick is my favorite

>new girl appears
>is actually a CF

>>280674851
>only 2 watermarks
shit scan would not read

>>280674851
>Two watermarks
Man, it's sad seeing that we're regressing back to the days of groups watermarking manga. It's like I've gone 10-15 years into the past.

>>280674810
I don’t think the Saintess is normally even allowed to marry someone most of the time though.
Even in Otome Isekai where te MC is always female the Saintess isn’t allowed to marry someone.

>>280674911
Huh? The saintess almost always gets engaged to the prince. The original route for otome survival story with Aria was her being recognized as a saint by the church and marrying the prince.

>>280674911
Saintesses in adventuring party fantasy stories can marry the yuusha, and is most likely even expected of them to do it with the yuusha to generate a new generation of heroes that have saintly powers and heroic spirit.
Saintesses in otome stories on the other hand are just eternal mikos who get wooed by slightly abusive princes.

>>280658202
>>280649384
in case you ctrl+f: (You)

>>280674810
>Killing the royal family line
Not going to happen.
At worst you'd be a symbolic trophy while he fucks someone else because they're not just going to let the royal bloodline die out.
Doesn't sound that bad.
You get to enjoy a life of luxury while someone else gets fucked.
And you get the authority to do whatever you want.

Seijo-sama.

Isekai where the MC realizes he wasted his time with people that never cared about him and wasted his time when he was trying to help them who don't even get proper regretkino because they're sociopaths incapable of that?

>>280675222
why so specific

>>280675222
So is he a guy who got Isekai'd, then betrayed, by those he thought were his friends/lover, then regresses back to the moment he first got Isekai'd?

>>280675222
Isn't there a CN story with a guy who tried to change the plot, died ten times and then decided to turn into a human sloth? Heroines who betrayed him experienced Heartless Dao, it's when you sacrifice your loved ones to ascend.

>Evil woman: fuck all this
>makes out with her servant in front of everyone

Post-isekai series where the protagonists are natives but their world has obviously been altered by summoned nip (and perhaps even the occasional other nationality) hero decades or even centuries ago are too rare.

>>280675466
>Evil woman: marry me
>Servant: Yes, ojou-sama

>tried to go off grid to avoid naked elves
>to stumble upon more naked elves
What do?

>>280674517
>Wendy
Wasn't she a literal slave whore he bought?
Its so weird to have the MC only fuck used goods

>>280675631
thin out their numbers

>>280675662
She was pristine Grade A prime virgin thats why she cost a million yenbucks

>>280674694
You just know...

>>280675713
Was she?
Its been a while since I read this, but I remember the MC literally just meeting her at a brothel and going on "dates" with her, before trying to buy her and some fat guy outbiding him or something.

>japanese beach tropes? in my isekai?
>who cares just UOOOOHH

>>280675843
Younger girls erotic... ToT

>>280675713
He already had other girls he could have tried first.

>>280675951
The only good one was the female adventurer.

>>280675931

>>280676004
Wait, so he doesn't fuck the knight chick or the dogchick?
I take it back, this MC is a faggot

>>280676046
It might be getting close to that happening in the manga. There's no reason it should have taken so long though.

Narou male MCs are so fucking boring and unlikable, bros... nips with no life experience really can't write men. No, your hobbies are not your personality. No, being horny is not your personality. No, "gamer" is most definitely not a personality.

>>280676046
Of course not, this is a japanese isekai after all

Isekai with characters like this?

>>280673702
I thought this would end right after they reunite. But it kept going on.

>>280676108
not having sex is my personality

What are your opinions about classical anime fantasy?

>>280676108
based kakuyomu enjoyer

Isekai with characters like this?

>>280676268
i was really disappointed when i tried reading the jnc release of this
no other opinions on it

>>280676273
what is personality then? dont give a normalfag answer.

>>280676285
Snouty ass looking motherfuckers

>>280676285
Im wondering myself, any series where the MC doesnt get betrayed by his CF, and just start dating her without any issues or drama?
Or hell, any series where the MC already has a girlfriend and she doesnt die, splitup, or betrayed?

>>280676108
whats a personality then? dont give a normalfag tier answer

>reading a story that seems promising
>author gives the mc a spirit/ghost companion or something similar
>uninteresting, unfunny, annoying, adds zero value to the story, provides almost zero aid to the protagonist, constantly blabbers on and ruins every scene with its attempts at comedy etc.
why?

Are petticoats an acceptable form of censorship?

>>280676310
why, my peenus weenus of course

hahah! :D

what is personality then? - my answer is, of course, my peanus weenus :D

hahaha!

Are there any health benefits to doing this?

>>280676402
>reading a story that seems promising
>author gives the MC a loli dragon or catgirl companion
>uninteresting, unfunny, annoying, adds zero value to the story, provides almost zero aid to the protagonist, constantly eats FOOD and ruins every scene with its attempt at comedy because she's EATING, isn't that FUNNY?

billions must starve

>>280676465
She's just a tulpa.

>>280675631
Can you even avoid naked elves if you're a human male? They can smell human testosterone like sharks sniff out blood in the ocean.

>>280676415
This is totally on the verge of an axe isn't it? I twas a pretty good harem but the Deluge start doesn't bode well

>>280676510
Leave Iris alone she tries her best

>>280676616
It couldn't continue introducing girls like that monthly, but it didn't need to have so many more appear.

I fucking hate when isekai manga finished a volume worth of content because it usually means next chapter will have either of these so the artist can focus on making the tankoubon
>short chapter
>1 month delay

>>280676656
What is the possible endgame here even?
Choose one? Merge them all into one? Harem-but it's already one?

>>280676694
>you thought you would get silly slice of life or 4koma advertising the volume sales
>too bad, have a wall of text from LN, fuck you

>>280676694
Manga is so slow to start with I just consider any update at all a happy accident

>>280676713
A harem with them all is the only good version. Merging is the same as losing some even if result has parts of each version.

>TL advertisement page uses horny girl image better than anyone in the manga and now you're disappointed

>>280676820
Merging could work if full schizo personality preservation
Wasn't there one with a robot girl that did that.

Any isekai where the protag fucks an animal?

>>280676892
Some beastgirls are just in human form from their original beast form, so technically...

>>280676465
It's really tasty.

>>280676892
isekai meikyuu

>>280674351
I should look and see if there are any new chapters since I last saw it

I got curious and tried reading the WN and oh my god is it awful. I'm not asking for some great literary work but yeesh.

Necessary angles.

>>280675843
Why do modern day panties and swimsuits exist in medieval worlds?

>>280673622
I keep seeing this posted but it's never mentioned where it's from, and all the search engines fail me.

>>280677787
who cares
it's the SEA!!! uwaaaah!!
it's a SKURU FESTIVARU!!! uwaaaah!!
it's an ONSEN!!! uwaaaah!!
SUGOI

>>280677814
>lens betray
Many such cases

>>280677814
otome mob author

>>280678023
seventh?

>>280673622
>could have Lyle all to herself
>doesnt
Best* girls always share
*not counting imouto

>World where everyone is loyal
>Get betrayed cheatskill that requires getting betrayed for stat boosts
>need to manipulate people into betraying

Rapist princess' manga just got new tl'd chapter after a year.

>BETRAY... BAD
>FORGIVE... GOOD

>>280676343
Before the Tutorial Begins, MC starts dating the blue haired girl and they file marriage paper work too later on. Evil Goddess keeps gaslighting the GF though because she wants MC to have a harem.

>>280678725
Does the Goddess join the harem?

>>280674007
apparently having sex with prostitutes in japan doesn't count as cheating
neither is discreetly having an affair apparently

fucking weird as fuck country

>>280673635
>100 different Isekai worlds
That sounds kinda interestin-

>The story starts with him clearing world 100
>The skill he got from world 100 lets him restart his trials from world 1 but keep all his memories and skills
>He's not lost like in Sliders. He knows exactly how to get home.
God damn it. Are the worlds at least distinct in style or are they all medieval European fantasy worlds with elves and shit?

>>280678818
No, she thinks the MC is an idiot. MC is just her contractor that lets her do things in the mortal realm. She wants to set up a system like the 2nd God did with large families receiving her blessing and spreading out but it has to start from MC so yeah she wants him to have lots of wives and have lots of kids as much as possible.

>>280670106 (OP)
Betraying the natives is natural. They're not humans after all.

>>280678976
Is that a revolver rifle? Don't they know how dumb those are?

>>280674810
YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME.webm

>>280679082
No it's a gungreatsword thing.

>>280676268
I prefer newer stuff for the writing but I prefer the look of older things, specifically the way oversized pauldrons look.

>>280676268
OHHH HOHOHOHOHO

>practice betraying with cf

>>280670106 (OP)
> Can't go back to your real world (If you are a normal person.)
Then it is morally correct to betray.

Never have to worry about betrayal with your summons since they cannot betray. They'll always be by your side no matter the kind of world you are isekai'd to.

>>280679563
Unless trying for a high rank increase.

>>280670330
>>280673635
been done. though its kind of shit.
sleeping with the girls. stars some texas jew sleeping with various girls.
Theres also on a clear day you can see forever, but that one just takes place in one universe but the protagonist used to be a slider.

>>280678948
Sleeping with the girls is all the most basic universe for every setting, on a clear day you can see forever is like an anime fever dream that mixes 90s dystopia with science fantasy. one of the main reasons to read it is honestly how compelling and interesting the setting is.

>>280679563
Does MC have sex with summons? Otherwise they betray

>>280679623
Do you mean MC betray? He's had an offer from one of them.

>>280679563
You have to correct the bratty summons or they will not obey (betray), the only ones that won't betray you are necromantic army that you summon yourself (they have no free-will of their own.)

>>280673865
glad you agree that the only reason you fawn over it, is because of muh explicit sex scenes. worry not though, I won't take 1 tiny bit of the slop you're consooming.

we have a popular phrase over here, uuhh what was it? i think it was
>still shilling this
still not reading this

why are isekaijin like this?

>>280679674
Even if she doesn't comply, she can't betray. And there are a wide variety of summons who will never or don't want to betray. Any sort of being goes for being your summons if you can get them. Besides who wants a bunch of stinky corpses as your minions?
>>280679579
He did pick the wrong kind of upgrade honestly. You kind of got what you expected with that specific summon.
>>280679623
Eventually. Hopefully

>>280679838
There's literally only 2 people coping purityfagging virgins that post on /isekai/ according to the strawpoll, majority was fine with sex, more people were enthusiastic about the sex aspect (Wanting more/going for it only.) Megacope.

>>280679880
> So you can drop lines from the Sam B dead island rap.
> I Got a Zombie Army and You Can't Harm Me, who do you voodoo bitch?
> With a serious face towards someone trying to fuck with you with magic.
Undead armies are good but rarely done well ever Shitlord is proof of how to not do it.

>>280679880
They all generally have some kind of problem at that rank, but the one could have been to a better destination.

>>280679888
yeah, and i'm not with those purityfagging you're referring to. i'm fine with sex aswell, but i never obssess about it, ritual post, and put them on high regard just because it has sex on it.

>>280679958
Are you talking about the vampire?

>>280679930
The biggest problem with undead armies is that necromancers are overdone and often done in boring ways. They ignore the necromancy magic side of things and act as a knock off summoner that can only use undead. Where's the Frankenstein angle where you stitch together different corpses and then reanimate them into undead abominations? Anything that isn't necromancy will be far more interesting.
With summoning you have a wide range of options that let you party build and brings up more interesting angles to work with. This let's you bring in a lot more variety than a necromancer and undead army could ever bring.

>>280679990
Exactly. All this sex-obsession is strange when there're much more interesting things to explore, such as nation-building.

>>280679888
>>280679990
I'm in the "can take it or leave it" category but I'll admit that it irks me sometimes when the whole relationship aspect of a story is deliberately and obviously been stalled by the author. A romantic relationship progressing to a physical level is completely natural.
Don't get me wrong, this doesn't mean I actually need to see it, I'm perfectly happy with a fade to black or such and honestly even stalling out a relationship doesn't come close to how annoying I find harembaiting.

>>280680208
Frankenstein wasn't a necromancer, he was a scientist.

>>280680267
At most they would wait until they are adults and in marriage and once that happens?
> Sex every other night when the male doesn't feel drained.

>>280680291
Find strong meatsuits?

>>280680201
Not vampire, and her eventual A rank form wasn't a problem although getting it could have been a lot worse, since other people tend to get attacked or lose summons trying for A rank. Mare is the one that could have had a better A rank form.

>>280679874
>real life is full of women being emotionally damaged creatures who know no loyalty or self recrimination
>get isekaied to alterantive world
>don't want to observe this phenomenon
why do some people itt want women to suck just as much in isekai as they do here again?

>>280680229
Name me a single one better than dungeon keeper Ami, you can't.

>>280680314
Yeah, that's fine but again, it doesn't have to be explicit.
Just have them come down the stairs/out of their tent/whatever together in their night clothes.
I'd say that's actually a failing of (forgot the name) but the isekai story with the dog girl and dwarf girl. Too much focus on that and not enough focus on an interesting story.

>>280680314
I do think some of the ones that do wait a long time before it happens could do better. I know I've seen some before mention it once then it almost feels like when a scripted subplot reached the end of written events and is effectively forgotten after that.

>>280680318
strong meatsuits?!

>>280680396
>I'd say that's actually a failing of (forgot the name) but the isekai story with the dog girl and dwarf girl. Too much focus on that and not enough focus on an interesting story.
I don't think that one spends too much time on it for what it is, but other series could leave it at an occasional single page or morning scene.

>MC summons minion to solve academy class assignment
>then frees her from summoning instead of just sending her back to hell
>beats shit out of him and rapes him into a boyfriend
isekai for this feel?

>>280679434
oh no
she has an ntr fetish already
she'll have to be put down

>>280680466
Maybe, when I was reading it it felt like that was focused on far too much but it's probably just a series that's not for me

>>280680604
but cuckquean...GOOD

>>280680666
It's going to take u some time when it's part of his goal, but I think actual pages of sex was 5% at most when I last checked. I haven't found the file where I was keeping track.

>>280680418
Posted on the wrong thread.

>>280676393
Nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor.

>>280676108
How about MC that really wants to save his sister but recognises that he has a weak heart that can lead to him doing terrible things?

>MC has the strongest gods as his tamed spirits but they're invisible to people so everyone thinks he's useless
>everything goes tits up when he gets banished

>MC's imouto is secretly the dragon protecting the kingdom but no one knows that but him
>everything goes tits up when king banishes him for daring to go near the dragon

>MC is a once in a generation chosen one that happens to be sexually desired by the spirit gods that entire society is based around to the point they will go mad but it's so important that this is highest clearance top secrecy
>everything goes tits up when his family banishes him for not having +1 attack power blessing

what are some more isekai schadenfreude?

>>280680944
That's character motivation not personality.

>>280678976
Is there a chance that she will?

>>280679874
It's not the worst story but compared to sliderboards, this is just very basic, with none of the characters being particularly rememberable.

>>280680944
>MC can't have horny as a personality

>>280676108
>>280680944
>>280680865
>>280676393
To me I dont think anything like realism or real life writing matters when it comes to male mcs. The problem with male mcs is that they are already priming me to expect a certain kind of bland pointlessness, a cracker for tasting the fish or cheese on top of that is supposed to never get in the way of it.

To me that stuff is not appealing. Characters who are male MCs need to have a personality and drive in the narrative. not be reacting blandly to every nice haremb8 they come across. In a sense they need to have a little bit more heroine DNA in them. and the heroines too should have a little more shuujinko dna as well.

But ultimately? doing that sort of thing runs the risk of alienating the naroufags so I understand why its not done and why I prefer to look for female MCs. Male protags who have that stuff going on? they are wrong about things. they cause huge problems for themselves, and not in the oh no I tripped and fell into a pile of bitches and XP and gold type problems.

For an easy example, lets look at a character I DONT really like but happens to be a FEMC only because of GB. I can use this to leaverage what I am talking about. for the sake of arguement I will assume you need the context. Character can turn back time, Character kills side heroines evil pedo dad she didn't know about, Side heroine swears revenge. Suddenly the character starts piecing together MC can turn back time outside of MCs pov so she cant do anything.

you might expect, does this go anywhere interesting? does this develop into a huge problem for the MC?
no
it never is. it's resolved in a few scenes and MC never has to risk or deal with a character she cant do anything about knowing her secrets and working against her.

The same shit happens on mob sekai. Male MC steals all otome heroines chances for growth. does that inconvenience him or her? no, because like, protagonists onaholes, pls understando.

I hate this shit.

>>280680291
Close enough. Necromancers could take some cues from him. Would certainly make them more interesting.

>>280681005
Personality is upstream from character motivation, which in turn is upstream from the actions they take.

>>280681231
Character motivation is one part of it, actions undertaker is another. Two characters can have similar goals but with different journey to that, they can still have different personality.

You're really gonna keep saying weed user and never have any moments of actual "weed" usage huh?

maids betray

>>280681423
>fr*ckles
hard pass

>>280681423
>freckles
breed

>>280681357
You realise you are basically just reiterating what I've already said?

>>280681472
/isekai/ is a low IQ general, please understand

>>280681366
Beware of shota obsessed hags.

>>280681472
No, I'm saying character motivation and actions are different parts of a personalized. There is no link between them.

Does anyone have that image react of that schizo iskeai MC who proclaimed he would never have sex?

>>280681053
> Sliderboards story.
> Complicated.
> Literally just get reincarnated as the villain of a game character, get a harem for acting like a nice guy instead of the usual.
> Still occasionally fuck with the original MC of the game because villain genes/setting makes his blood boil seeing the MC.
Its not more complicated than any other Isekai, just answers a bit more questions than typical which just skips over worldbuilding for the Harem part.

>>280681574
Take all the villains for example - they all want to break the plotline where they end up having to be killed in the end, yet look at someone like Arc when compared to the rest of them.

>>280681555
And you are wrong.
Character motivation is informed by personality. A lazy person is unlikely to hold motivation for a difficult task. And if they do, the actions they take will likely to be to find a shortcut or easier method to fulfil that motivation.
Personality > motivation > action
A good storyteller will inform the audience of the personality of a character through motivation and action but despite that, they are still downstream from personality.

>top warrior MC clears world dungeon
>wakes up in new world
>huh I'm level 1
>I know, I'll clear a dungeon!

>>280680835
As of chapter 62 it was close to 7% of all pages that had some sort of sex related panel on a page, close to 8% for baths, although there would be some overlap. Dungeons was at a little over 29%

>>280670106 (OP)
>Irrelevant time-wasting question with the work "isekai" shoved in at the end
Why does every isekai op have to be so fucking obnoxious?

>I like him because... he's the protagonist!
let's just cut the crap

>>280670106 (OP)
Her face when you didn't do it outside like you promised.

>>280681970
Shut the fuck up mino

>>280681970
Link 3 aside from this thread.

>>280681981
he also kind

>>280681896
How do you explain charactes having similar motivations yet taking completely different actions on pursuit of it?

>>280681970
lurk more

>>280682081

>>280681433
>>280681448
Ain't nothing wrong with freckles.

>>280681715
It's not about being 'complicated'. It's just not the exact same as every other iskeai like that. Even if you call it a gimmick, having the OG Weiss does change his relationship with Allen in a way that's intresting. That, and also the mangaka having a lot more fun visual jokes.

>>280682169
> Mangaka's visual jokes which are not canon in the original story.
Yeah, that's just boon of visual story telling.

>>280682131
By having different personalities, skillsets and experience.

>>280682163
Not every change the manga made was good, but some certainly were.

>>280682193
Almost like character motivation is only one independent part of what defines a character's personality.

>use magic to discover her g-spot

>will become a cute young girl soon

>>280682246
>no way I could ask her
how does he think sex works? it's a co-op game mate

>>280682221
I never claimed otherwise, that was an assumption on your part.

Is it 1 cuckqueaning = 1 hair drill?

>>280675310
All except without the regression (isekai part is also optional) they simply begin to rot and fall apart without ever realizing how badly they fucked up without him because they were free to take all of his help but never thought about what he asked for in return for all of that'

>>280675388
name?

>>280675252
no comment

>>280682280
Threesomes with a granny!

>>280681981
The heroine
Believes
in the protagonist
https://youtu.be/VIAMf4I_gdA?feature=shared&t=5461

>>280671784
>>280674324
>>280676510
Dragon lolis are the best!

>>280679082
>>280679101
Best isekai weapon.

>>280682328
A reasonable assumption to make when you tried to refute me when I posted here >>280681005.

>>280682169
>That, and also the mangaka having a lot more fun visual jokes.
>mangaka
lmfao, so the shenanigans are non-canon? thank you for saving me time from reading the trash heap.

>>280682569
Not really no.

>>280682502
sex with evil women!

>>280682683
Yes.

Small dragon girls are the best adventuring companion and wife

>>280674506
Trapsekai

>>280682966
Reverse trapsekai!

>>280682966
Why did he do it?

>>280682632
The original does have sex mentions though unlike the manga which removes it.

>>280682671
So, what was the point of it then? You're just arguing for the sake of (you)s?

sexually harass your maids

>adopted daughter
>tags: romance

>>280683094
I would say that your second reply was largely pointless. You were simply rewording what I already said. So if anyone is arguing for the sake of arguing, it seems to be you.
I simply kept the discussion to a narrow focus and only expanded on that to make sure I was being thorough since I didn't want you to decide to nitpick after.
Seems it was a waste of effort.

>>280683215
>

>>280683215
I see nothing wrong with that

>>280682764
Why are evil women so attractive? It's not fair to good girls.

>>280683215
>>280683242
>>280683280

>>280683313
Femme Fatale. A dangerous woman is far more enticing. That, and if converted to evil, they gain a +3 to curves when you least expect it.

>>280683329
> NTR-Schizo.
lol.

>>280683366
CF NTR

>>280683215
>adopted daughter
>romance
>with 200 yo elf hag who wants to be a mother
Oh no.

>>280683363
You know what doesn't happen often enough with these evil woman bodysnatchers? The good girl the body belongs to driving the bodysnatcher out but being super embarrassed by still wearing the lewd evil outfit.

>>280683236
What's so hard to understand that the character action and motivation are both different part of a character's personality rather than actions being some upstream of their motivation?
>Seems it was a waste of effort.
Only thing we can agree on.

>>280683373
Dude never had a chance lmao.

>>280683215
What drives me up the fucking wall is that almost all of these stories have great adult woman that would be an excellent wife to the MC and wonderful mother to the adopted daughter, but that romance never happens and she just sorta hangs around.
Instead the dude stays single for like a decade while the daughter grooms him into her perfect husbando.

>>280683375
Also
>MC leaves the party and completely retires
>party: thank you for wasting 10 years on us
>freshly graduated from The Academy™
>no knowledge, no real skills, no equipment, no goals in life, they learned nothing, only some vague theory that have nothing to do with anything
>MC wasn't really a party member, more like a mentor

>>280683429
> Used goods moaning noises.
Yeah, skip me out on that.

>>280683280
isnt the left one BTFO? I heard another anon say the dad no way fags her till the end

>>280683429
if we're talking usagi drop tier slop then cut out the middle man

>>280683215
Usagi dropsekai...

>>280683373
Qrd?

>>280683696
2hu hentai

>>280670503
These retarded generals don't even know what isekai is lmao

>>280683329
Have you ever considered taking an action that isn't entirely selfish?

Allright anons choose
>Going on cool adventure with a hot possessive swordswoman your own age that totally wants to have sex with you
Or
>groomin… i mean being a magic teacher to cute little girls

>>280683403
>rather than actions being some upstream of their motivation
It's amazing to me that you some how fail to get such a simple premise wrong despite me repeating it.
Try reading here:
>>280681231
and here:
>>280681896
Again.
And also keep in mind you said:
>There is no link between them.
Here:
>>280681555

>>280684011
>Sensei taught me "magic"

>>280684011
>choose the latter
>former drags him back anyways

>>280684011
Var3:
>becoming system administrator for a girl
>giving quests and rewards
>people can't figure out your identity

>>280683457
I just want one of these wholesome adoption stories to feature an actual family even if its patchwork instead of being fantasy usagi drop
Is that so much to ask?

>>280683696
>Village tradition where woman gets reincarnated into offspring
>CF engaged to another man
>MC accepts outcome
>CF marries and dies leaving child.
>Child inherits mom's will to marry and devote herself to mc
> Also proceeds to die and leave behind child.
>Third generation wants to devote herself to her father, the mc
> MC finds out that there was no reincarnation, it turns out that a scroll was left behind for descendants to carry the wishes of predecessors
>proceeds to fuck off
>daughter finds mc, wants to know what's meaning of her existence.
>MC tells daughter, don't worry about that shit. What matters is the kokoro, etc.
That's the story in a nutshell

too many pedosekais lately

>>280684011
none because I am gay

Too many sexual predators lately.

>>280684035
You seriously want to keep doing this? Listen, if you can't prove any of your claims, then claim means nothing and your rhetoric is just cheap sophism.

>>280684254
2 and 4 pls

>>280683554
That anon lied to you, here's the illustration from volume 4.

>>280684254
>not a single dark elf
are Dark Elves the purest elf?

>>280684314
I'm glad I didnt get around to reading it then, I honestly need healing from a bad relationship with my shitty dad and imagining kissing him is not for me.

>>280684358
Atie is a rapist

>>280684095
while I understand your suffering the reality is that most people do not want to be cucks in their own imagination. I personally would adopt if I could guarantee the race of the kid i was adopting though. not just for my sake, but also theirs.

>>280684095
oh, and anyway if you want that my recommendation is to try kobayashis dragon maid. it's easily the best compromise, with plenty of fan service but no grooming.

>>280684254
>>280684358
>>280684382
Another appeared 2 hours ago btw

>>280684437

>>280684474
whore elf begone!

>>280684484

>>280670106 (OP)
maybe

>>280684520
>>280684484
Only Pure Hearted Elves

>Koreans love Slideboard so much that they gifted the Slideboard author a complimentary copy of the books translated to Korean on their own.
https://x.com/Kikuchikaisei/status/1946103508660539707
Slideboard Manwha and Webcomic when? The sliding seems unstopable

Chubby

>>280684607

Isekai which depicts conflict between one choleric nobles side faction against another choleric noble faction, with the MC caught navigating between them?

>CF can't remember or even perceive you
betray?

>>280684661
What happens if you fuck her at this state?

I think heroines should always have an anti-usedgoodification hairpin at all times even before meeting the MC.

>>280684661
>CF
always betray

my CF would never betray me

>>280684851
proof???

>>280684851
if she didn't let you plap her cunny when she was a loli, it's already betrayal

>>280684729
Not her.

>A Licia

>>280684301
You have provided exactly the same amount of evidence as me with far less concrete arguments to back your position on top of misrepresenting your opponent. I don't think you are in any position to demand anything.

>>280670330
TRC
Sword Dad spinoff

Cultivate

>>280684254
Why is Elma on there?
She is like the opposite of a predator.

>>280684851
oh nononono

>>280681148
>it's resolved in a few scenes
pretty sure that subplot took a couple of arcs to be fully resolved, the side girl was mad the whole time but too frightened and conflicted to actually do anything

My saintess CF who joined blond hero's party and promised to marry me when she returns would never betray me.

>>280684955
>saintess
>cf
that's like a 500% chance of betray

>>280685191
thats not the point. the point is that the side characters advantages due to the mistakes of the protagonist where immediately erased because they would have been an inconvenience and interrupt the power fantasy of the reader by making them feel desperate. if you cant understand how that kneecaps the writing possibilities and turns every situation int bland safe sameyness you have your head in the sand, and its not a specific problem with that LN but actually a lot of them.

>>280685244
I mean there are other characters who have more agency than Mia does and actually do things to either wrangle or work against Sylvia with what they are able to figure out and actually either meaningful aid or meaningful obstacles to her, like Alice, Lucas and the Emperor. Mia is just generally a noncharacter.
But also Sylvia's biggest fear 99% of the time is the collapse of her LARP rather than anything actually important anyway so yeah

>>280685053
Yes, I have. I already mentioned how most of the MC in villain isekai start off with similar motivation of breaking out of the story scenario.

If you want even more examples, take 'Alba' from 'Hametsu Flag Kaihi no Tame Yamaoku e Hikikomotteita Saikyou no Akuyaku wa, Tasuketa Heroine ni Yotte Omotebutai e Tatasareru' and 'Yuri' from 'Kuromaku Ikka ni Tensei Shita kedo Gensaku Mushishite Dokuritsu Suru'; with wanting to leave the stage right at the start before they get dragged into the events of the story.

isekai but he's reincarnated into the ocean as a shark and he has a harem of dolphin girls

>>280685311
alice is the main reason the book continues to be readable however that doesn't change the fact that the natural progression of the scene would be that sylvia continues to not notice what is going on by being distracted from her larp and emotionally distancing herself from the protagonists party due to embarrassment while the antagonist mia works against sylvia by continuing to spy and collect information about sylvias power, which can funnel tension into the plot and create good drama. But the point is, in many of these books such drama based on the doubt of the protagonist is NOT WANTED. people wont buy a book that isn't giving them one in the stink and 3 in the pink right away.

>>280685311
Lucas being alive at all makes this story so frustrating
He’s always a faggot

>>280685396
>Dolphin girls
He gonna get rapped

>don’t worry i can teach you magic
>you got a lot of mana for your age
>would you let me link my mana to yours?
>this will be a secret between you and me ok

Holy shit this fucking author isn’t even trying to hide the grooming

>MC has perfect memory
>funny haha silly slice-of-life most of the story
>start of the story was very bleak
>trapped and tortured for the first 8 years of their life
>gets out, starts to love again
>but perfect memory, everything that happened at the start of the story is still incredibly vivid, and always will be
>700 chapters in
>everything the MC has been building up to has been for revenge this whole time
>millions will die
oh
what the fuck happened

>>280685386
>Yes, I have. I already mentioned how most of the MC in villain isekai start off with similar motivation of breaking out of the story scenario.
Where?
>If you want even more examples, take 'Alba' from 'Hametsu Flag Kaihi no Tame Yamaoku e Hikikomotteita Saikyou no Akuyaku wa, Tasuketa Heroine ni Yotte Omotebutai e Tatasareru' and 'Yuri' from 'Kuromaku Ikka ni Tensei Shita kedo Gensaku Mushishite Dokuritsu Suru'; with wanting to leave the stage right at the start before they get dragged into the events of the story.
How is any of that a refutation of what I have posted?

>Men... BAD!
>MC being kind to her
>Men... still BAD! But MC... GOOD!

>>280685210
Waz u?

>>280684851
Your CF has already known the dicks of a dozen men.

>>280685430
word

>elven predator is attacking you
>your cheat QTE activates
What do?

>>280685534
It's to what I've said of character's motivation and actions being two separate parts of what defines his personality.

>>280682535
Isn’t this just that shit from FF8?

>>280685451
I was going to pick this up at some point and can't remember why I didn't

>>280685602
No, link me where exactly, in reply to me, you mentioned MCs in villain isekai.

>>280678976
>Gaslighting her to become a cuckquean
That sounds hot as fuck, is the story any good?

>>280685563
silly choleric woman will have seven children despite hating men

>>280685642
See >>280681847

Now are you going to actually bother proving any of what you said?

>>280685415
Yeah I agree that Mia was wasted potential and that a lot of naroushit in general is missing a lot of actual stakes, I just think that there was enough conflict from other more interesting characters that I can overlook Mia (and Sophia as well for that matter even more being lacking in drama despite her being from an opposing faction). It helped when Sylvia became a lot more cautious about abusing quickloads after she found out that it could get blocked and had to actually interact with people on their own terms.

>>280670106 (OP)
Who’s morality? My morality says I will do anything for elf pussy and I will never betray that.

>>280685451
Holy based

I shall not watch that humblenigger Allen anime

>Humble… BAD
>Confident… GOOD

>>280685925
someone's feeling a little choleric today

>>280684011
>Don't share this ""forbidden magic ritual"" with your parents, okay kitten?

>>280685728
>lost potential
a good example of that actually is the joke I made earlier about alice noticing mia ate all of the ice creams. what if instead of that hypothetical that never happened mia was there at the ice cream store and noticed she picked the last menu item and instead of a funny joke in alice putting the pieces together it became food for mia to further understand the possible ramifications of sylvias power through innocuous details. however, during that scene theres no perspective from mia, the scene is still just slice of life and cute, and the reader will be expected to remember for the later big reveal. and in cold tea just like they are expected to remember that towa was around for lectors informal interrogation of Jessica and so could have, and in fact, did, tell rean about her power to predict things during the student council scene

this kind of thing is the kind of reason why i highly prefer Femcs. I don't know if its because people naturally enjoy seeing females in distress, but there's almost something tenchi about it, the girls get in over their head a lot more just like the male protag of said anime. People seem more willing to be harder on female protagonists, at least plot wise in narou, though thats not to say there isnt a ton of exceptions. But the point is, scenes like that, where the character has some kind of hidden power theyre trying to keep secret, and you are right there with them, but then they blow the secret and not even YOU the reader notice.

>>280685728
>lost potential
a good example of that actually is the joke I made earlier about alice noticing sylvia ate all of the ice creams. what if instead of that hypothetical that never happened mia was there at the ice cream store and noticed she picked the last menu item and instead of a funny joke in alice putting the pieces together it became food for mia to further understand the possible ramifications of sylvias power through innocuous details. however, during that scene theres no perspective from mia, the scene is still just slice of life and cute, and the reader will be expected to remember for the later big reveal. just like in cold tea they are expected to remember that towa was around for lectors informal interrogation of Jessica and so could have, and in fact, did, tell rean about her power to predict things during the student council scene

this kind of thing is the kind of reason why i highly prefer Femcs. I don't know if its because people naturally enjoy seeing females in distress, but there's almost something tenchi about it, the girls get in over their head a lot more just like the male protag of said anime. People seem more willing to be harder on female protagonists, at least plot wise in narou, though thats not to say there isnt a ton of exceptions. But the point is, scenes like that, where the character has some kind of hidden power theyre trying to keep secret, and you are right there with them, but then they blow the secret and not even YOU the reader notice.

>>280685951
Humblebragging MCs are fucking lowlives who never love themselves enough to acknowledge their own worth
Why should I like such pathetic faggots over actual confident MCs who know their own strong point?

There ought to be isekai where the protagonist thinks that silent casting is the ultimate thing, only to find out that everybody is doing silent casting, but using chuuni chants actually makes spells more powerful, because spirits (which only the protagonist can see because that's his obvious cheat skill) love that stuff and will give more mana to the spell after applauding cheerfully for it.
So now the protagonist is the only mage who does cringe poses and autistic chants to please the spirits that govern the elemental world.

>>280685599
why are elves so weak to food?

Speaking of personality and motivation and characters named Sylvia, I enjoyed Academy Heroine's Right Diagonal Back Seat recently but one gripe I did have was the abrupt switch in Scarlet's motivation pretty early on.
Her motivation for wanting to be Sylvia's friend at the start was that she was absolutely terrified of death and thought that sticking close to the main heroine would be the safest place to be. The reveal of the unreliable narration and Scarlet's root trauma and PTSD was great and that conflict between her selfish motivations and how she presented herself as the genuine friend with no ulterior motive that Sylvia was longing for was great set up for drama later on that eventually paid off.

But very shortly after that and for the entire rest of the story Scarlet becomes a self-sacrificing martyr who feels that she doesn't belong in this world, burns her own arm to ashes to protect others, barely cares that she only has 3 years left to live because she is more concerned that the people of the story she loves so much need to be saved, is terrified of losing control and hurting the people she loves, right up until the end she is all too willing to burn her own life out to save the others. That's fine too and also makes for enjoyable drama, but it's completely at odds with her initial characterization. If anything it's characterization that makes sense for the original Subject 10 (who is still buried in her subconscious), but not for isekaied Scarlet.

>>280686103
im happy to give this a chew. I'm glad that spoilers dont really ruin things for me too. I've personally had such a dramatic epiphany once, though its not really comparable in scale and not necessarily what the author could have gone for since its up to the writing to portray that switch getting flipped.

>>280686103
>but not for isekaied Scarlet
Correction, rather I should say it does make sense with what we later learn about pre-isekai Scarlet's trauma, but not the way she was initially presented.

>>280685667
That's not a reply to me, it's not even remotely a reply in the chain of conversion we had.
>they all want to break the plotline where they end up having to be killed in the end
That's common sense though? at least pick something where it isn't someone being suicidal or not.
I could for instance pick something like Yuki from Maou ni Natta node, Dungeon Tsukutte Jingai Musume to Honobono Suru vs Akira from Gekizumi Dungeon Desu ga "Skill: Hanshoku" de Gyakuten Shitai to Omoimasu.
Both start off with a limited resource, Akira immideately squanders it with little thought while Yuki uses his resources frugely while spending the time to figure out how things work.
Both run into an incredible threat, Akira sacrifices almost every card he has to play, as well as manipulate all involved to keep himself alive.
Yuki negotiates based on observation.
I could draw other observations based on these such as Yuki putting himself in great danger for the sake of his dungeon residence (like fighting a dragon that is way more powerful then himself) or him choicing to deal with matters himself rather than involve the top tier powerhouse that is Fefi but Gekizumi Dungeon Desu ga "Skill: Hanshoku" de Gyakuten Shitai to Omoimasu isn't as far along as Maou ni Natta node, Dungeon Tsukutte Jingai Musume to Honobono Suru.

All the "Fuck your summon" guys, seems like this series could be for you.

>>280686226
Immediately^ frugally^ choosing^ Lefi^
Before you start moaning about typos and spelling mistakes.

>>280678948
I haven't read the source, so I don't know all the different worlds. The 2nd world in the manga adaptation is a furry world though, so, it's pretty different from the first one.

>>280674248
This is my thought. There's also the phantom thief girl later on who kind of matches up to the hags in capabilities.
But love interest wise, the hero or Giselle, I guess. The hero seems like she's the ideal one for it, but even later on Giselle gets more focus from what I've seen.

>>280683429
I kind of doubt Kaiser is going to end up with his daughters instead of Regina.

>>280686226
is there even a single dungeon fic that doesn't get completely bodied by femcs? nta

>>280686435
Depends on how you define dungeon fic probably,
Does Lazy dungeon master actually get mogged by his FeMC> I don't recall her being particularly powerful before I dropped it because of all the feet and piss nonsense.
I haven't exactly read all of them either so there might be some that I don't know about.

>>280686171
Hope you enjoy if you do read it anon. I thought the emotional side of things landed well even if a lot of the drama relied on heavy pitybaiting, I also enjoyed how it did the KnY thing of giving every villain a backstory (of varying degrees of sympathy).
Since the fan translation is nuked there are epub versions here (including Ashborn TL of chapter 351-end which wasn't available the last time epubs were posted)
https://files.catbox.moe/vzpkdg.rar
https://files.catbox.moe/0lt1ls.rar

Alternatively it's on Novelpia Global as well which is free right now with a throwaway email, translation seems ok at first glance but I haven't read it exhaustively.
https://global.novelpia.com/novel/1392

>>280686226
>That's common sense though? at least pick something where it isn't someone being suicidal or not.
Why should I? A character's motivation is what he seeks to achieve. To that end, survival via breaking the scenario is as much of a valid motivation as one who seeks a slow life or the grind to achieve greatness.
>Yuki and Akira
I'm not familiar with the later, but the different approaches while having similar motivations is exactly what I mean when I say, motivation is one part with actions as another different factor that defines a character's personality. Scarcity and other external factors are it's own thing.

>>280686494
no retard I'm talking about how all the MCs in dungeon fics are worse than the FEMC dungeon masters. I've not read a single male protag dungeon fic that didn't have one of the following two problems:

Narou slop stakes and personality for the mc (ie none)
Edgy rape blood and gore overlord slop (written to appeal to 12 year old jews)

always think of cf when other women throw themselves at you

>>280678136
>A GF willing to share but a little sister who hates her brother
So fucking close to perfection

>>280686669
obligatory protomarie.jpg

>>280684661
>ubisoft.png

>>280686547
>Why should I? A character's motivation is what he seeks to achieve. To that end, survival via breaking the scenario is as much of a valid motivation as one who seeks a slow life or the grind to achieve greatness.
All those examples you gave require the MC to be alive to enjoy.
>I'm not familiar with the later, but the different approaches while having similar motivations is exactly what I mean when I say, motivation is one part with actions as another different factor that defines a character's personality. Scarcity and other external factors are it's own thing.
Seriously, you are missing the forest for the trees. The approaches are different because of the different personalities. Which is why I say personality is upstream from motivation and action.
It's also why using "the villain breaks the plot" as an example fails, because you have a definite condition to stay alive.

>>280686551
I have zero issues with Yuki, he has a defined personality and is fun.

>>280686669
A hateful imouto is so rare
though I doubt the current Yomu can even write Ceres anymore
WN Seventh is fucking wild because it’s like an off-med Yomu wrote it
He even destroyed yuri before they could bloom (Gracia & Elza, Lianne and that female android which was destroyed beyond reparation) instead of writing yuricuck scenes like in Mob

damn elven predators!!

>>280684232
Name it

>>280686226
i dont know what in the hell you're talking about but ill pick these up anyway

I wished Jelly remained evil instead of being body jacked by a slime and make stupid reaction faces

>>280687026
Butler genuinely and unironcally saved the world by killing Jelly and making her corpse be possessed by a jelly slime who is now going to become the true saint.

>>280684661
This is normal.

>>280686275
Feels like a discount astro king.

>>280686732
If, in a dark fantasy, a character is always at a disadvantage against everything, would you say that the character has no motivation since they are desperately trying to just survive, or that survival is their motivation? It's not that different. Breaking the scenario is their motivation, and how they do it is their action.
>Which is why I say personality is upstream from motivation and action.
I'm not denying that personality is defined by those two factor, I'm arguing against when you said
>character motivation, which in turn is upstream from the actions they take.

isekai witches need big hats

>>280687392
and flat chests!

>>280687332
>If, in a dark fantasy, a character is always at a disadvantage against everything, would you say that the character has no motivation since they are desperately trying to just survive
No. Trying to survive is a motivation, the actions they take to survive will be based on both that motivation and their personality however.
As an example, someone that is utterly ruthless would likely be willing to take actions to survive (their motivation) that an honour bound person would not.
This is why I say personality > motivation > actions.

>>280687479
... white hair
and loli frame!

>>280687479
and no panties!

>>280687655
no loli!
must be tall and flat with womanly hips!

Those little sisters are getting bolder. What to do, /isekai/?

>>280687392
>>280687479

I can't find a single source today, all the sites for looking it up seem to be shitting the bed today.

>>280687332
Dark Fantasy is basically horror flavored fantasy or "everything went to shit" fantasy (Dark Souls/Elden Ring vs something urban Dark Fantasy like Hunter The Vigil or something like Witcher.) Usually the characters have personal goals or struggles that hold them back and they aren't always heroic figures sometimes villains but there's bigger shitbags to kill.
>>280687632
Wrong.

>>280687887
>used goods imouto (charmed)
trash

>>280687392
Only if they're cute, if they aren't cute the big hat would just be false advertising.

>>280687392
isekai witches need more sex

>>280687887
>nbr sister betrayed because due to mind control
forgivable?

>>280686746
>my generic npc mc is fun
what are the stakes
WHAT ARE THE STAKES

>>280687917
>Wrong.
No u

>>280686746
> He has defined personality.
- HE IS KIND!
- HE IS HEROIC!
- HE IS A DOORMAT!

>>280687632
An honour bound character would also carry the same natural instinct of survival as any other characters. Their actions of course, would be different and based on their personality, and not by the commonality of their motivation.

It's, personality - action. There is no stop gap of motivation.

>>280687917
To clarify, I'm mean those iskeai'd into a dark fantasy world, where MC is just an outsider.

>>280688020
Manga/Anime examples of Dark Fantasy. Fist of the North Star, Berserk, Devil May Cry and Hellsing

>>280687998
literally used goods
no

>>280688037
Wortenia Senki, Highserk Senki, Reincarnation Colosseum (Technically fits in despite all the H-content) and a few others come to mind but I would have to search for their names first as far as "Dark Fantasy."

>>280687998
>fuck you ntrman
>>280688062
Physically or spiritually?

Why don't more isekai MC be like this?

>>280688135
Because they aren't written by a Chinese author, though most MCs getting coercive at last with enemies during/after battle that is the way to handle bossing around properly.

>>280688085
It's more common with KR and CN novels, not that I have read a lot.

>>280688135
British?

>>280688183
Some Korean Murim stuff could be counted for sure, yeah. Chinese love their murderhobos without any checks or balances.

>>280687998
is this an NTR mind control doujin? The fuck am I reading here?

>>280688249
ntrman has weak ntr powers. mc doesnt give a shit about the girls he "steals"

>>280688135
Genuinely one of the best ongoing gook series right now. I've seen comments saying that it isn't following the Novel perfectly but I don't even feel like checking it out since manhwa has been really entertaining. Not like I killed the academy player in which I decided to see the novel because of hiatus and it ended up being pretty damn garbage

>last chapter is a cliffhanger
fuck
it got axed?

>>280688249
mc's male cf has the magical power to seduce every woman he comes across thus perma cucking mc his whole life

>>280688303
>>280688280
does he fuck the sister or something?

>>280688320
most likely not. his charm is weak and easy to resist.

>>280688294
manymanymany such cases

>>280687392
based
>>280687392
kys faggot

>>280688427
That one should have been axed a long time ago, it lasted far longer than it should.

>16 hours
I can't believe /isekai/ is fucking dead

>>280688451
krposters killed it, they drove away organic posters and then proceeded to not fill in the gap they left behind

>>280688494
based goodchads

>>280687998
NTRman abilities work with characters with whom he could already have taken with just charisma. She betrayed without any influence.

>>280688494
Religiously read Goodshit, you can learn the language in one month and then start learning it as you read further.

>>280688451

>>280688451
Ever since that thread where over 100 posts got removed, Isekai has been slow.

>>280688027
Yes, I know you haven't read the series, no need to prove it all in caps.

>>280670106 (OP)
>17 hours ago
What happened?

>>280688037
>An honour bound character would also carry the same natural instinct of survival as any other characters.
Like stealing food that someone else needs to survive?

!

we keep telling you the thread itself has been isekai'd and you don't believe us.

>>280687207
Source?

>>280688573
What happened there?

>>280688578
Do explain how he isn't those three characteristics.
> Does he bully/tease verbally any of the cast?
> Does he let villains do whatever they want?
> Does he let women walk all over him?

I hope the manga isn't going to whitewash how retarded the sister was from the LN (basically even NTRman was shocked by how strongly she betrayed, the charm wasn't responsible for what a massive cunt she was)

>>280685083
She's too silly

>>280688625
sometimes mods just nuke all posts from the same IP, even if only one breaks the rules
I think 2 or 3 people got hit by that in that thread

>>280688734
Ban dodging chinese trollop only counts as 1 person.

>>280687998
If you read the LN/WN it's obvious that she (like all the other losing heroines) was a humongous landmine. Mind control guy only made her love him more than her brother, he didn't make her behave like such a turbo bitch about it to the point that she forced their parents to divorce. Even he was shocked and appalled by her behavior

>>280688598
Depands on how much of a moralfags he is. Most wouldn't hesitate too much at material damage, especially if they plan to repay it later.

>>280688734
I see but in anycase these theads usually slowdown from time to time during a new season this is nothing new. There was a time it took a day and a half for a thread to die.

BEWARE OF STALKER. in isekai

>>280688451
no, just you

>>280688813
> What if yandere guild girl?

>what I expected: yandere rape basement
>what I got: dork

>>280688734
Some of my posts got deleted but i recieved no warning or ban so i have no idea what happened but i wasnt one of those that kept posting after the first wave

>>280688781
>>280688715
She was a literal child, anon

>>280688953
for many here, that's the best part

>>280688953
out of 10?

>inb4 replying to 16 hour posts
>>280672153
It has classroom summon slop though
>>280673198
Not really and you wouldn't really notice anything happened in the LN unless you were reading at the lines in-between the lines

>>280688657
> Does he bully/tease verbally any of the cast?
Yes, including the literal most powerful being in the world by a large margin.
> Does he let villains do whatever they want?
No, he kills people quite often.
> Does he let women walk all over him?
No. He bullies, bribes and teases them quite often.
Again, maybe you shouldn't comment on a series you know nothing about.

>>280688795
Stealing is not honourable. "Needs to survive" also means they are likely to die without it.

Oh.. more Slideboard LN art clones

>>280686275
I'm just wondering if he eventually de-ages the granny and have her join the harem.

>>280688996
>>280689000

>Mono romance
>Every other important character is still a girl
What's the point?
There's zero use for that many girls if it's not gonna be a harem so just give the MC some bros.

>>280689057
A remorseful man who commits a sin out of desperation is fundamentally not the same as someone who acts beyond what is warranted and without conscious, Jigsaw.

>>280689243
A remorseful man who commits a sin out of desperation is still not honourable.
And also is still not the same as a ruthless man.

>>280689183
Isekai introducing more men is an NTR flag.

>>280689183
Some people really dont like there being more than 1 male character in the stuff they're reading even if its not harem

>>280689183

>>280689283
Like I said, it depands on how much of a moralfag it is.

This kind of social experiments, where you force an action that is antitheical to somone's nature, isn't how you gauge a man's character.

If you put the ruthlessly person in a opposite scenario, where he has to nurse a man to health to survive, his actions which are only motivated by self-interest wouldn't alter his character.

>>280689183
if they introduce a "bro" character, and then a minor supporting female character takes a romantic interest in the bro: cuck schizos will have meltdowns crying "NTR" even though the MC never interacted with that minor background female character.

>FMC unnecessary hid her true power because she loves seeing her CF protecting her, even if it means putting him in danger
Is this betrayal?

>>280689460
>If you put the ruthlessly person in a opposite scenario, where he has to nurse a man to health to survive, his actions which are only motivated by self-interest wouldn't alter his character.
Yes. I agree completely, since a ruthless person is defined by doing whatever they have to to achieve their goal.
An honourable person is defined differently and and generally speaking no part of that involves theft.

>>280689522
Are there any good supporting bro side-characters?

>>280689183
You need to read more

nooooooo

>>280670106 (OP)
Who is this girl?
She looks like wife material.

>>280689740
All of the girls in her manga are even the mom.

>>280689647
>>280689522
Lowji from Red Ranger. He's got his own princess so so Red has Yhidra for himself.

>>280689765
Thanks.

>>280689529
>DEFLOWERED
WAIT A SECOND

>>280689529
>>280689870
>That Author
>That Mangaka
Oh no no no no no

What is the alien's role?

>>280689610
Why is this ruthless man viewed only by his mental state and not his actions in the second scenario but not the honour bound man in the first scenarios? When in both the cases, only a singular action is available to them.

>axed
Why are japanese like this?

>elf sees pure body of water
>UOOOOOOH TIME TO POLLUTE IT WITH MY NAKED BODY

>>280689870
>sex
easy drop

>>280689929
Azur Lane isekai...?

>>280689929
I would drink her water if you catch my drift

>>280689970
I don't get it

>>280689811
Lowji aint really a bro and spent most of the time hating his ass

>>280689927
>series will go on hiatus for 2 months
>artist has to go to the hospital for something

>>280689905
"That Author" is the same person who made okusan and the other vanilla wife manga

Kiss CF

>>280680391
>fanfic

>>280689916
Anal probing.

>your childhood friend is a cripple
What do?

>>280690116
IS THAT.... oh it's not castel nim

>>280690171
What the post above you said

>>280689924
Because they are judged differently.
It's like asking why is this fire judged by its heat and this colour judged by it's shade.

>isekai with mind control powers
>decide to use it for the greater good of others
>have couples resolve their issues and girls to be forward to their crushes
Kino?

>>280690236
rune factory is not isekai

>>280690274
It has CF betray, therefore count as isekai.

>>280690171
>bodyjacking is so common in isekai it's diagnosed as a medical issue

>>280690116
>caring about kissing
woman moment

>>280690274
Game 4, mc is royalty and the town connects to a broader world with dungeons and shit.

>>280689929
gross now any animalgirl drinking that is going to be lewd against their will

>>280690221
It sounds to me, the point of this experiment is to force the actors to behave in a way to validate a bias rather than see them act out in their own natural way to unravel their character.

>>280689927
wasnt a reverse trap

>>280690364
>going outside is isekai

>>280690171
Kick the bodyjacker inside your CF from the party

>>280688715
>every girl around MC NTRs him with NTRman
>except it's not NTR because MC is nosex japanese protagonist who doesn't care!
oh fuck off you know exactly what you're doing

>>280688715
IIRC she didn't even sex NTRman unlike the other whores

What happens if I go on an adventure without the adventurer loicense?

>>280690116
>kiss CF... within Academy-oppa

>>280690396
>touching grass is a cheat ability

>>280690456
None of his harem do. And he gets taken out of the story fairly early, before he can do much damage and in an embarrassing way.

>>280687998
If NBR is not real incest,
then can this even be really considered NTR?
She just some skank he happens to know that became more of a bitch over time, who cares what she does.
I hope MC doesn't "save" her, ugh.

>>280672153
>edgelord

>>280672153
>MC has sex
yeah no thanks

I get no wanting to read something that's just sex sex sex, but not wanting to read if the MC just had had sex? That's crazy.

>>280672153
Elf and CF are the only way to make monokino work.

>>280690456
>because MC is nosex Japanese
What? It's because he's having happy with his cute angel and police oneesans and therefore has no time for bitches and whores (sister was a cunt that ruined the whole family, athlete girl is some rando who claimed to be his CF even though they only played together for a couple of weeks, also she's riding the entire basketball team and just sees NTRman as another dick on the pile)

>>280690888
MC having sex reminds me of that time I got molested by my uncle, so I drop every series with sex.

If isn't other men fucking a girl I can't get hard.
This is the consequence of modern porn brainwashing.

>>280690383
No, it's an example to show the different approaches.

>>280691123
ESL moment

>>280691224
>he can't transcend dimensions to isekai himself to isekai and fuck his waifu himself instead of letting MC do it
Weak. Very weak.

>>280691211
What exactly does it show? That even a honorable man wouldn't sacrifice himself to save a stranger?